Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[KG]

A more reasonable comparison is running Windows XP on a 386.
That would fall into the realm of performance such as running OS X under 
PearPC on a Pentium Classic processor...if you could even make XP run on a 
machine that old at all. 

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[KG]

I am curious. Can I have both OS 9.2.2 and OS X on the
wallstreet so that OS 9 runs under classic mode? That
would be great.
Yes. Any machine that can run X can also run 9.x in Classic mode under X.
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[PETE]

I have never really partitioned a hard drive how do
you go about doing this? I already have 9.2.2
installed, hard drive is 40 gigs.
TIA<
Pete.
--- Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 2:41 AM -0800 11/18/04, PETE wrote:
> >I am curious. Can I have both OS 9.2.2 and OS X on
> the
> >wallstreet so that OS 9 runs under classic mode?
> That
> >would be great.
> 
> Certainly.  I have both 9.2.2 and OS X.2.6 on the
> boot partition (in 
> the first 8Gb).  I can boot off either and 9.2.2
> runs as Classic.
> 
> >Pete.
> >--- Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >>  At 8:52 AM -0500 11/17/04, Debra Platt wrote:
> >>  >I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192
> ram/512
> >>  bscache /2gig hard
> >>  >drive.
> >>  >
> >>  >What would be the highest OS I could run on
> this?
> >>  would 9.2 run ok?
> >>
> >>  9.2 works fine.  I'm using OS X.2.6 on mine
> right
> >  > now.  It works nice.
> 
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to myproblem)

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On 18-Nov-04, at 1:25 PM, Dale Hill wrote:
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Trying to get OS 9.2.2 running on a 3400/200...
I did it using the programs from http://www.os9forever.com/
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

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At 2:41 AM -0800 11/18/04, PETE wrote:
I am curious. Can I have both OS 9.2.2 and OS X on the
wallstreet so that OS 9 runs under classic mode? That
would be great.
Certainly.  I have both 9.2.2 and OS X.2.6 on the boot partition (in 
the first 8Gb).  I can boot off either and 9.2.2 runs as Classic.

Pete.
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 At 8:52 AM -0500 11/17/04, Debra Platt wrote:
 >I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192 ram/512
 bscache /2gig hard
 >drive.
 >
 >What would be the highest OS I could run on this?
 would 9.2 run ok?
 9.2 works fine.  I'm using OS X.2.6 on mine right
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to myproblem)

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Daniel Palka]

I find Windows 95 to run slow on my Dell 386.  But it still doesn't 
even compare to running OSX on a PowerBook 3400c.

A more reasonable comparison is running Windows XP on a 386.
On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
You're far more tolerant than I am. A cacheless Wallstreet 233 is 
barely faster than a 3400/240, and I've run OS X on a 3400/240 and 
it's not the greatest experience in the world. It's about like 
running Windows 95 on a 386DX-40, for those of you with experience 
with the x86 world.

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 18, 2004, at 8:53 AM, KG wrote:
I had a
Wallstreet 233 (no cache) for a little and installed
10.2.8 onto it and it ran great.
You're far more tolerant than I am. A cacheless Wallstreet 233 is 
barely faster than a 3400/240, and I've run OS X on a 3400/240 and 
it's not the greatest experience in the world. It's about like running 
Windows 95 on a 386DX-40, for those of you with experience with the 
x86 world.
You've only ever run 10.1 if you've run it on a 3400. 10.2 is a 
different animal entirely.

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[KG]

What processor you
use isn't to big of a deal (OSX will run on a 604e,
maybe a 601?) but the more you have the better! And a
G4 really makes a big difference.
If you have a 603e or 604e, OS X can only run up to version 10.1.5. Jaguar 
added some components that appear to call directly to thermal regulation 
components which are only present on the G3 and higher, and that causes the 
install to fail. The XPostFacto people did some work trying to fix this, but 
weren't successful.

The only machines this really affected were the machines that can't take a 
G3 upgrade or which can't take one directly in the processor slot, aka the 
PB3400 and the 5400/5500/6400/6500 series of Performas.

OS X cannot run on a 601 at all. The 601 is architecturally a little 
different from the newer PPC chips and simply cannot be made to work with X. 
This only ruled out the 7200. 

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[KG]

I had a
Wallstreet 233 (no cache) for a little and installed
10.2.8 onto it and it ran great.
You're far more tolerant than I am. A cacheless Wallstreet 233 is barely 
faster than a 3400/240, and I've run OS X on a 3400/240 and it's not the 
greatest experience in the world. It's about like running Windows 95 on a 
386DX-40, for those of you with experience with the x86 world. 

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Any WS can run OS X. The more the RAM, the faster the processor the 
better it runs. Of course, once installed OSX you can run OS 9 either 
originally or in Classic mode.

On my WS with PowerLogix  BlueChip 500 MHz and 348 MB RAM, OS X 
(officially up to 10.2.x) runs absolutely flawlessly.

You can install OS X 10.3.x via XpostFacto, and again it is perfectly usable.
I do not recommend OS X on the cacheless WS.
Ben
I am curious. Can I have both OS 9.2.2 and OS X on the
wallstreet so that OS 9 runs under classic mode? That
would be great.
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Re: Buying HDs on the LEM Swap List (was Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

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I have always had pretty good luck with the swap list. (most people are 
generally pretty good to deal with)

I bought a G3/233 here locally and paid $100 and had problems with the modem.

If you can't find a hard drive on the swap list, check your local paper on 
Sundays, as Office Depot, Staples, etc. run specials and you have to mail in a 
rebate, but can get a good deal.

Steve


I ask because -- sorry this isn't about my Powerbook, but your mention of 
the swap list caught my attention -- I bought a G3/233 from the swap list 
-- really good price ($35 + shipping), but unfortunately ended up with 
two bad HDs (which is why I want to buy a new one, and I'd like a bigger 
one than  the 4 MB and 2 MB those were).  That's my only experience 
buying from the swap list, and it rather makes me hesitate to buy 
anything else there. So do you think I just ran into an exception, or do 
you and others who shop on the swap list regularly get both good HDs 
and/or other equipment at good prices from there as a rule?

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Re: Buying HDs on the LEM Swap List (was Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

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On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 11:26 PM, Yersinia wrote:
I ask because -- sorry this isn't about my Powerbook, but your mention 
of
the swap list caught my attention -- I bought a G3/233 from the swap 
list
-- really good price ($35 + shipping), but unfortunately ended up with 
two bad HDs (which is why I want to buy a new one, and I'd like a 
bigger
one than  the 4 MB and 2 MB those were).  That's my only experience
buying from the swap list, and it rather makes me hesitate to buy
anything else there. So do you think I just ran into an exception, or 
do

Well, keep in mind that after 4-5 years, the HD could go any day, 
really.  Sure some last longer.  Sure, some do not.

When I get a new computer (even used) the first thing I do to it if 
it's older, is put a new drive in.  Drives get cheaper every month, and 
they are the heartbeat of the system.  It takes so much hassle out of 
thing to know how long it's likely good for.  Especially if it's an 
older system I'm setting up for a parent or whomever.

So $35 for a nice G3, plus say $70 for a huge drive, seems like a super 
deal to me.  A 4 or 5 year old, slow drive that you can't really trust 
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[PETE]

I have a wallstreet/300/40 and 9.2.2 runs fine.
--- Manfred Guentner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 08:52:36AM -0500, Debra
> Platt wrote:
> > I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192
> ram/512 bscache /2gig hard
> > drive.
> > 
> > What would be the highest OS I could run on this?
> would 9.2 run ok?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Then highest possible will be MacOS X. Probably a
> 233 PPC might be a little slow
> for this.
> 
> Off course 9.2.2 will run too. If you have
> available, then give
> MacOS 8.6 a try :)
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[PETE]

I am curious. Can I have both OS 9.2.2 and OS X on the
wallstreet so that OS 9 runs under classic mode? That
would be great.
Pete.
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> At 8:52 AM -0500 11/17/04, Debra Platt wrote:
> >I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192 ram/512
> bscache /2gig hard
> >drive.
> >
> >What would be the highest OS I could run on this?
> would 9.2 run ok?
> 
> 9.2 works fine.  I'm using OS X.2.6 on mine right
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to my problem)

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Trying to get OS 9.2.2 running on a 3400/200...
I did it using the programs from http://www.os9forever.com/

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to my problem)

[Manfred Guentner]

Hello Dan,


> Go to www.powerbook3400c.com

i looked at your page since i have a Hooper too.

> Much detail is given there.
> 
> This is the NEW location of my famous "Hooper Hotrodding" pages.

Let me tell you something about plannedfutureupgrades.html

If you want to install Linux on the Hooper i would not use
BlueLabel. Try a direct installation on a second partition.

On my Hooper there is a Debian Sarge with Kernel 2.4.25
running. Very stable. Everything is supportet, even  802.11b.

With BootX you can at boottime select which OS you want
to load.


Anotherthing is: I want to give DVD a try too.
I bought a slimline from a "bigger" Powerbook
and will try to build it in. 


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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to my problem)

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I'm on my way over, thanks, Dennis
On 17-Nov-04, at 10:42 PM, Daniel Palka wrote:
Go to www.powerbook3400c.com
Much detail is given there.
This is the NEW location of my famous "Hooper Hotrodding" pages.
On Nov 17, 2004, at 10:34 PM, Dennis Descoteau wrote:
If you have OS 9.2.2 running on your 3400, mind telling me how you 
accomplished it? Mine will not shut down after running any app.
Thanks, Dennis


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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to my problem)

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Go to www.powerbook3400c.com
Much detail is given there.
This is the NEW location of my famous "Hooper Hotrodding" pages.
On Nov 17, 2004, at 10:34 PM, Dennis Descoteau wrote:
If you have OS 9.2.2 running on your 3400, mind telling me how you 
accomplished it? Mine will not shut down after running any app.
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233(slightly reverting back to my problem)

[Dennis Descoteau]

If you have OS 9.2.2 running on your 3400, mind telling me how you 
accomplished it? Mine will not shut down after running any app.
Thanks, Dennis

On 17-Nov-04, at 3:29 PM, KG wrote:
What would be the highest OS I could run on this? would 9.2 run ok?
Yes, it would. OS 9 runs well on a 3400/180, so a Wallstreet wouldn't 
have much problem.

OS 8.6 would be the fastest, if you don't need the added features of 
OS 9. You can run up to 10.2.8 on that machine, but don't even think 
about it if you have the cacheless 233 MHz version. It would be 
sluggish even on the Series 2 Wallstreet 233.
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Buying HDs on the LEM Swap List (was Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Yersinia]

Bruce Johnson writes,



Ohh, this sounds so good because a 30 gig drive is precisely what I need 
right now, and $15 is right in my budget too. But I'd like to ask you, 
and any other listers here, about your experiences on buying HDs from the 
swap list. As in, have you ever bought any and it turned out to be a bad 
drive?

I ask because -- sorry this isn't about my Powerbook, but your mention of 
the swap list caught my attention -- I bought a G3/233 from the swap list 
-- really good price ($35 + shipping), but unfortunately ended up with 
two bad HDs (which is why I want to buy a new one, and I'd like a bigger 
one than  the 4 MB and 2 MB those were).  That's my only experience 
buying from the swap list, and it rather makes me hesitate to buy 
anything else there. So do you think I just ran into an exception, or do 
you and others who shop on the swap list regularly get both good HDs 
and/or other equipment at good prices from there as a rule?

Thanks,

~Yersinia.

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Bruce Johnson]

On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 05:50 PM, Jake Zeppa wrote:
 Once it was installed I
didn't like that Apple was asking for so much personal
information (maybe that's not a concern for everyone
else anymore but it still bothers me), and at the time
I thought I had to fill out the info. After some
deliberation I finally gave in and supplied them the
needed info.
You don't actually have to give that info to Apple, btw. Do the install 
disconnected from the network and you'll be told that the information 
was saved, and to send it to Apple run an application

Well, it's now much later and I have a better feel for
the OS. I can make folders (Apple-Shift-N, why I don't
know) You really don't notice the VM running at all
like it did in the older OS's, especially if you have
a good amount of ram.
That's because it's about as much like OS 9's VM as a cod is like a 
bicycle.


 You don't get to mess with
extensions but for that you don't get the extension
conflicts your used to seeing in the older OS. Still
no apple menu but the dock can do some pretty cool
things (you gain some and loose some).
And if you want there are third-party programs that accomplish the same 
thing.

Organizing
everything can be done but it's just done different,
just have to learn to do it. And lets not forget the
important thing. It NEVER crashes (at least like your
used to in the older OS). If a program crashes, the
program goes down and not the whole computer. There's
no instability or loss of ram when it happens either.
You can run multiple applications at once like there
the primary application without any problems (try to
start 10 big applications at once in OS9). And that's
just the tip of the iceberg.
The things you need to consider is this. OSX takes up
much more hard drive space than the older OS's. You
need more ram than before (though OSX can be run on
96megs of ram, but the more you have the faster your
performance unlike the older OS).
Yes. OS X is a ram-hungry beast, 256 megs should be considered minimum 
ante. A default install of OS X takes a lot of space upwards of 5-6 
gigs, but there's 2-3 gigs of extraneous localization files in there. 
Do a custom install, dont' install the extra languages, and you'll have 
the choice to not install Russian, Turkish, Japanese, Korean and 
Finnish .;-)

You'll also be able to tell it that 'No I don't want 3,3956 different 
printers installed'.

With paring of unnecessary stuff, OS X can be installed in 3 gigs.
That said, when you can walk into a store and buy a 160 gig hard drive 
for $60 after rebates, disk space is somewhat less of an issue. I've 
seen 30 gig drives go for $15 on the LEM swap list.

What processor you
use isn't to big of a deal (OSX will run on a 604e,
maybe a 601?) but the more you have the better! And a
G4 really makes a big difference.
OS X 10.1.5 can be hacked to run on 604 processors using XPostFacto, 
10.2 runs on G3's just fine, but the OS does use the G4's features if 
it's present.

One thing I've seen people run into with OS X is that it
But, the biggest stumbling block to OS X is trying to treat it just 
like OS 9; it's like OS 9 just enough to get you really confused.

It's not OS 9..but it does have a logic, and everything that looks odd, 
out of place or wrong does have ted to have a good reason behind it, 
and a structure, and in the end, you see how very Mac-like it actually 
is, to the point that when you encounter a Mac running OS 9 you're 
struck by what a crude and quaint fascimile of the Mac OS it is.

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Clark Martin]

At 8:52 AM -0500 11/17/04, Debra Platt wrote:
I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192 ram/512 bscache /2gig hard
drive.
What would be the highest OS I could run on this? would 9.2 run ok?
9.2 works fine.  I'm using OS X.2.6 on mine right now.  It works nice.
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Jake Zeppa]

Well, the simplist way to put it is I was comfortable
with the old OS. See, I've been using the Mac OS since
7.1p3 (i've used the Apple DOS back in middle school
on the IIe, but not regularly). Anyway, every OS after
the 7.1 to OS9 were pretty much the same (other than
the little changes from generation to generation). As
with any of us, new things can be a little
disconcerting. Also I didn't like how Apple was trying
to get everyone to change to the new OS (forcing
people to get new things seems to be Apple's new
policy these days).

Anyway, when I first got 10.2 (Jaguar) I sat on it for
about a week. Then one day I decided to take the
plunge, backed up all my important info and installed
OSX. The first thing that I wasn't happy about was the
install time. Even OS9 installs in a flash. But this
was more ignorance because I assumed it would be
around the same install size. Once it was installed I
didn't like that Apple was asking for so much personal
information (maybe that's not a concern for everyone
else anymore but it still bothers me), and at the time
I thought I had to fill out the info. After some
deliberation I finally gave in and supplied them the
needed info. 

After it was installed I was a bit puzzled how
everything worked. I couldn't make new folders,
couldn't turn off VM, couldn't trim extensions and
didn't have an Apple Menu folder which I could modify.
It made me feel that they were trying to take all the
control of the OS away from the users. I'm also a neat
freak and like my hard drive to be meticulously
organized and the way OSX was set up look cluttered
and I had no clue how to organized it. And when I
finally did I got kernel panics(wow those are freaky).

Well, it's now much later and I have a better feel for
the OS. I can make folders (Apple-Shift-N, why I don't
know) You really don't notice the VM running at all
like it did in the older OS's, especially if you have
a good amount of ram. You don't get to mess with
extensions but for that you don't get the extension
conflicts your used to seeing in the older OS. Still
no apple menu but the dock can do some pretty cool
things (you gain some and loose some). Organizing
everything can be done but it's just done different,
just have to learn to do it. And lets not forget the
important thing. It NEVER crashes (at least like your
used to in the older OS). If a program crashes, the
program goes down and not the whole computer. There's
no instability or loss of ram when it happens either.
You can run multiple applications at once like there
the primary application without any problems (try to
start 10 big applications at once in OS9). And that's
just the tip of the iceberg.

The things you need to consider is this. OSX takes up
much more hard drive space than the older OS's. You
need more ram than before (though OSX can be run on
96megs of ram, but the more you have the faster your
performance unlike the older OS). What processor you
use isn't to big of a deal (OSX will run on a 604e,
maybe a 601?) but the more you have the better! And a
G4 really makes a big difference. But this is just my
opinion. Now that I've used OSX, I wouldn't ever use
OS9 (I really never even use classic). If your able to
get past the first 2 weeks, you won't go back. At
least I didn't.

   Jake

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> Jake writes,
> 
> 
> 
> Wow, why? I ask because I have concerns about it
> myself, should the day 
> ever come when I can afford to buy it, and the RAM
> I'll have to add to my 
> Mac to run it.
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

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Jake writes,



Wow, why? I ask because I have concerns about it myself, should the day 
ever come when I can afford to buy it, and the RAM I'll have to add to my 
Mac to run it.

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Jake Zeppa]

Run X, sure it's a little sluggish but it's so much
better. When I first went to X I hated it. But now
that I have been using it for a while, I cringe
whenever I have to use 9 or earlier. I had a
Wallstreet 233 (no cache) for a little and installed
10.2.8 onto it and it ran great. You need a bigger
hard drive and a little more ram wouldn't hurt but
it's so much better.

   Jake

--- Debra Platt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192 ram/512
> bscache /2gig hard
> drive.
> 
> What would be the highest OS I could run on this?
> would 9.2 run ok?
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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[KG]

What would be the highest OS I could run on this? would 9.2 run ok?
Yes, it would. OS 9 runs well on a 3400/180, so a Wallstreet wouldn't have 
much problem.

OS 8.6 would be the fastest, if you don't need the added features of OS 9. 
You can run up to 10.2.8 on that machine, but don't even think about it if 
you have the cacheless 233 MHz version. It would be sluggish even on the 
Series 2 Wallstreet 233. 

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Re: Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Manfred Guentner]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 08:52:36AM -0500, Debra Platt wrote:
> I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192 ram/512 bscache /2gig hard
> drive.
> 
> What would be the highest OS I could run on this? would 9.2 run ok?
> 
> Thanks!

Then highest possible will be MacOS X. Probably a 233 PPC might be a little slow
for this.

Off course 9.2.2 will run too. If you have available, then give
MacOS 8.6 a try :)



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Best OS for Wallstreet 233

[Debra Platt]

I recently acquired a Wallstreet 233mhz/192 ram/512 bscache /2gig hard
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What would be the highest OS I could run on this? would 9.2 run ok?

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