Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-04 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Time for Hollywierd to develop a new business model!



Why? the one they have is working very very well for them.

VAST sums of cash can be laundered through a business that 'loses' so  
much money...


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-03 Thread Thoma Mattox
Are there any options available for those of us still using OS9.2.2?


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-03 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jul 3, 2005, at 7:13 AM, Thoma Mattox wrote:


Are there any options available for those of us still using OS9.2.2?


Possibly Toast? Otherwise, not much, afaik. Certainly all the free  
apps won't work as they're all dependent on OSS unix libraries.


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-03 Thread Dan K
It's not the copying that's illegal, it's circumventing copy protection 
that breaks the law. You can still (AFAIK) legally copy (for your own 
use, eg: backup) most anything which doesn't have copy protection. Hmm, 
legally speaking, I wonder if copy protection includes MacroVision?

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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-03 Thread ACFX44501

It's not the copying that's illegal, it's circumventing copy protection 
that breaks the law. You can still (AFAIK) legally copy (for your own 
use, eg: backup) most anything which doesn't have copy protection. Hmm, 
legally speaking, I wonder if copy protection includes MacroVision?

AFAIK, it does.

More and more, the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) [ * ] is being 
written to incorporate by reference certain proprietary standards as if 
these were Federal standards.

The Feds are giving away the candy store to the owners of the proprietary 
software, without ever requiring the NIST (National Institute of 
Standards and Technology) [ ** ] to do a sanity check on such software.

In particular, I believe that CFR Part which refers to DCMA 
specifically states that Macrovision-encrypted data may not be altered to 
remove the Macrovision encryption.

Hence, the rapid emergence of the usual Macrovision circumvention, the 
analog loophole, which I will not describe here for fear of persecution 
;-) .

I'm sure some already own DVD drives which are all-Region. I know I do. 
Came that way from Apple Computer as part of my WS-II/300. Later DVD 
drives which were provided with the very same computer were single-Region.

Also, some DVD players may be made all-Region by simple manipulation of 
the remote control.

This, even though the those players have affixed to their cases the 
Region 1 sticker, meaning the player is purportedly compatible ONLY 
with Region 1 DVDs.

Finally, some DVD players may be made to output a Macrovision-free data 
stream.

The precise techniques vary with the player, but these usually involve 
manipulation of the remote control, and alteration of the VIDEO menu of 
the player. Sometimes a hidden menu is involved.

Some of the best DVD players are using a single-chip solution (plus a 
single FLASH chip and a single RAM chip) from a domestic source, which 
accomplishes all DVD player operations, including DVD drive control and 
data stream decoding.

This chip has supposedly been blessed by the usual suspect 
intellectual property owners, hence its wide use in DVD players which 
feature progressive scan.

Region and Macrovision hacks are well-known for players which use this 
chip.

Lastly, some DVDs are being authored by intentionally including flawed 
sectors in order to foil one-to-one duplication, which should otherwise 
be completely legal, as this does NOT remove Macrovision encryption. A 
defective sector cannot be duplicated, right?

But, one of the best known tools is capable of BOTH correcting those 
defective sectors, AND removing Macrovision encryption.

Time for Hollywierd to develop a new business model!

[ * ] http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html

[ ** ] http://www.nist.gov/


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-03 Thread PETE


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 It's not the copying that's illegal, it's
 circumventing copy protection 
 that breaks the law. You can still (AFAIK) legally
 copy (for your own 
 use, eg: backup) most anything which doesn't have
 copy protection. Hmm, 
 legally speaking, I wonder if copy protection
 includes MacroVision?
 
 AFAIK, it does.
 
 More and more, the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations)
 [ * ] is being 
 written to incorporate by reference certain
 proprietary standards as if 
 these were Federal standards.
 
 The Feds are giving away the candy store to the
 owners of the proprietary 
 software, without ever requiring the NIST (National
 Institute of 
 Standards and Technology) [ ** ] to do a sanity
 check on such software.
 





 But, one of the best known tools is capable of BOTH
 correcting those 
 defective sectors, AND removing Macrovision
 encryption.
 
 Time for Hollywierd to develop a new business model!
 
 [ * ] http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html
 
 [ ** ] http://www.nist.gov/
Who remembers when hollywood condemned the vcr and
urged Congress to burn it. They are using the same
arguments now and it seems to be working this time.
What has changed?
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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-03 Thread Brian Mahoney

PETE wrote:




[ ** ] http://www.nist.gov/
   


Who remembers when hollywood condemned the vcr and
urged Congress to burn it. They are using the same
arguments now and it seems to be working this time.
What has changed?
Pete.



 
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What has changed? I'd answer that but this would instantly evolve into a 
more political discussion than it already is. Can we get back to PBs? 
The best information source for this whole discussion is probably 
afterdawn.com. Lots of downloads too.


BM

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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-02 Thread Manfred
Hello,

 First off, to legally copy a copy-protected commercial DVD you'll have to 
 move to a country where it's legal, currently it's not legal in the good 
 ol' USA. That said:

You are not allowed to make any copys ? Is it only for DVD or for just 
anything. I mean copys of old video tapes and mp3s of music cds one
really owns isnt a bad thing. I mean video tapes get damaged easy and
mp3 is much more convinient then the original CDs (outdoor for example)

I am against piracy but a private copy is no piracy. And what happenes
to someone who recorded a movie from tv to his VCR or a more modern
DVD recorder ???

If i buy a DVD with a foreign country code, copy it and burn
it again with country code 0 or 2 (europe) i guess i broke
every copyright law availabe ;)

I guess i should check german laws are about this :)

About the problem having a number of movies on the notebook for
travel...

I do only have Macs with OS up to 8.6. But i am wondering if it
is not possible to make a disc image of a DVD with OS X ??

One could easily mount them and play the movie from hard drive.

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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-02 Thread C. Scott Cupples
On Saturday 02 July 2005 02:53, Manfred wrote:

 I do only have Macs with OS up to 8.6. But i am wondering if it
 is not possible to make a disc image of a DVD with OS X ??

 One could easily mount them and play the movie from hard drive.

Manfred,

I may be wrong, since I haven't played around with OS X, much, but I think you 
can do that, actually. Or, at least, I have a good friend, whom I witnessed 
making a disc image within OS X, on his AlBook. Of course, I don't know how 
difficult it would be, or if any 3rd party apps are required.

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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-02 Thread Doc Holliday



Manfred wrote:



You are not allowed to make any copys ? Is it only for DVD or for just 
anything. I mean copys of old video tapes and mp3s of music cds one

really owns isnt a bad thing. I mean video tapes get damaged easy and
mp3 is much more convinient then the original CDs (outdoor for example)
 

It isn't about  what makes sense, it is about what the recording/movie 
industry wants. They don't want any copies made. I  think they believe, 
if they yell and threaten enough, they will cut down on the number of 
legal copies and, when your DVD bites the dust, they can sell you 
another copy/license at full price. Whether back-up copies are legal 
is highly disputed. I - personally and I am not giving advice, I am just 
saying what I think, so don't sue me RIAA - a backup copy falls within 
fair use copying, DMCA be damned.


I have noticed that, lately, some DVDs have something on them or in the 
packaging about registering your DVD on the web. Allegedly, if you 
lose or damage your DVD, they will send you another copy of the media. 
Broderbund used to do this a long time ago, (it would have to be, I 
guess), with their software, which was copy protected, (I mean Apple //e 
stuff).



I am against piracy but a private copy is no piracy. And what happenes
to someone who recorded a movie from tv to his VCR or a more modern
DVD recorder ???
 

Recording off broadcast mediums - cable, on air, satellite - is allowed 
under the Betamax ruling of the US Supreme Court. The movie industry 
predicted the advent of VCRs would kill them, too. It never happened. A 
good indication of their level of objectivity about the the effect new 
technologies has on their business model.


I doubt very seriously the movie industry would look on removing region 
codes any more favorably than any other modification of the product they 
are selling. They want you to have to buy a different DVD for each region.



If i buy a DVD with a foreign country code, copy it and burn
it again with country code 0 or 2 (europe) i guess i broke
every copyright law availabe ;)
 

Is this possible? I am looking at a very old film on DVD that is only 
available in the UK and Australia. I have found uncoded versions, but 
I haven't looked into whether I can get this to play on anything but my 
PC, which will play DVDs no matter what the region coding.



I guess i should check german laws are about this :)
 


Be interesting to see what is customary in EEC/Germany...


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-02 Thread Brian McEwen


On Jul 1, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Dan K wrote:

First off, to legally copy a copy-protected commercial DVD you'll  
have to
move to a country where it's legal, currently it's not legal in the  
good

ol' USA. That said:


I should have mentioned that I always waited for our day trips to  
Windsor. :)


until Canada passed ther DMCA equivalent a few weeks ago

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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-01 Thread Fluxstringer

 Mac the Ripper:


http://www.ripdifferent.com/~mtr/


Rips well, and with a wide variety of options (entire DVD, main program
only, Region change, etc).

But, getting it back on a playable DVD is the problem.

Even features which are under 2 hours often produce more than 4.7 GB of
data.


That sounds entirely reasonable. Video is data intensive.


Any specific recommendations as to authoring tools, to produce a DVD
which will actually play?

I've already encountered situations where a player would accept a +R but
not a -R.



I don't know about commercial players .  My experience with projects 
is on darkside computers which, unless equipped with a DVD/R+- drive

burn only R+



And, what to do about the 4.7 GB limitation for a single-layer +/-R?


MPEG4 ?  Or put the file through an NLE program or utility for trimming.



My plan is to upgrade my Lombard with a UJ-845B, which does have
double-layer write capability, but right now I am limited to single-layer.



Make sure your stand-alone player ( if that is a target machine for 
replay) reads dual layer.


I hope the ripper works well. Even the good one I have seen mangles 
the picture somewhat. The others make files that are unusable without 
a lot of experimentation and tweaking. I don't know if these programs 
decode or merely do a D-A-D conversion. But since you start with MPEG 
which is compressed and  lossy  already picture quality suffers in 
the process. Pixel dropout is common.



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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-01 Thread Brian McEwen


On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Even features which are under 2 hours often produce more than 4.7  
GB of

data.

Any specific recommendations as to authoring tools, to produce a DVD
which will actually play?

I've already encountered situations where a player would accept a  
+R but

not a -R.

And, what to do about the 4.7 GB limitation for a single-layer +/-R?





You have to buy a commercial software that will let you remove  
extra audio modes, extras footage, languages, plus compress the  
video into a smaller space.


there are no freebie tols for this.

Popcorn (Roxio) and DVD2One (German) have great reviews.

DVD2One is 80 Euros or so, so pretty expensive.  It is much faster  
than Popcorn.


Popcorn can be had from Roxio for $30 if you already own Toast or  
similar (even an old version).  I bought Popcorn.  It works well, 7  
gig video_ts folder goes to a single layer DVD fine.  You can use  
Popcorn to remove languages, unwanted materials but only if you chose  
the main feature only.  On DVDs that have episodes, the only way to  
get every episode is to keep all the extra stuff and compress the  
video.  The video compression works well  and I can't really see much  
of a difference in output, which concurs with the reviews I read online.


I've used DVD+R only for playable DVDs and had no compatibility  
issues or coasters so far.


You can get reviews of both these softwares with a little googling.   
Hopefuly they will add some versatility to Popcorn, but if you feel  
wealthy the DVD2One is rated very well.


HTH.

Brian


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-01 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jun 30, 2005, at 8:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Mac the Ripper:

http://www.ripdifferent.com/~mtr/



Rips well, and with a wide variety of options (entire DVD, main  
program

only, Region change, etc).

But, getting it back on a playable DVD is the problem.


Not for this person; I believe he intends on playing them off of his  
hard drive.


Even features which are under 2 hours often produce more than 4.7  
GB of

data.


You have to re-compress or split the data, and I thought MTR did  
that; I may be thinking of some other program, though.


I know I have a program that discussed this in the documentation, but  
if it's not Mac the Ripper, I can't remember what it is.


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-01 Thread Brian McEwen


On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



I know I have a program that discussed this in the documentation,  
but if it's not Mac the Ripper, I can't remember what it is.




Mac the Ripper mentions  DVD2One, Popcorn, and DVD Remaster.  I read  
in a review of these utils that there is no freebie Mac equivalent  
for these tools, maybe there is one for Windows, I've not looked.   
You could extract just pieces using MTR but it seems a hit and miss  
affair.


I am just making copies of some DVDs used in science labs, so that  
the teaching assistants can't lose the originals any longer.  For  
ease of use and retention of all the navigational menus etc. I just  
rip the whole disk in MTR, which means perhaps 40% compression of the  
video via Popcorn.  Still looks great.


I'm pretty pleased.  It works! :)

Brian


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-01 Thread Kevin Willis




Rips well, and with a wide variety of options (entire DVD, main  
program

only, Region change, etc).

But, getting it back on a playable DVD is the problem.



Check out DVD Remaster.  It's not free, but it ain't expensive either.

Thanks,

Kevin



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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-07-01 Thread Dan K
First off, to legally copy a copy-protected commercial DVD you'll have to 
move to a country where it's legal, currently it's not legal in the good 
ol' USA. That said:

I haven't found any Mac tools that can do what the freeware win32 app 
DVD Shrink can do, which is, in one step, copy an entire DVD (including 
all menus) so it fits completely on a DVD-R. It offers a host of options 
including variable compression, region choice (or no region), macrovision 
removal, removing P-UOPs, etc., it's super easy to use, it outputs very 
nice looking movies, and it's free.

I _could_ use it regularly to make working copies of my 5 yr old 
daughter's DVDs. When she inevitably destroys a copy I _could_ just haul 
out the original and burn her another copy. Not that I _do_, just that I 
_could_, you see what I mean don't you?

If you don't have access to a win32 PC, then spend $50 and buy one. I 
hate using a WinPC for anything, but it's little gems like DVD Shrink, 
unavailable on a Mac, what makes it well worthwhile to have a Wintel box 
around the joint. Not that I _do_ use it for such things, but I _could_, 
if only it was legal.

Legal, legal, legal . . . such backups are apparently quite illegal here 
in the states. Man-o-man, having to _describe_ this like I just did 
_above_ seems quite _un-American_, somehow . . .

dan k

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Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-06-30 Thread Dave Foshee


Hey Everyone! 

I want to go on a trip and take a couple of my DVD¹s with me. Anybody know a
free, good program to use? We are driving about 24 hours and will need
something to do to pass the time.

All help appreciated!

Dave
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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-06-30 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jun 29, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Dave Foshee wrote:




Hey Everyone!

I want to go on a trip and take a couple of my DVD¹s with me.  
Anybody know a

free, good program to use? We are driving about 24 hours and will need
something to do to pass the time.

All help appreciated!

Dave
Powerbook G4, 1.67 ghz, 1.5 gig Ram, ruiiing
Tiggrrr!



Mac the Ripper:

http://www.ripdifferent.com/~mtr/

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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-06-30 Thread Brian McEwen


On Jun 30, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Dave Foshee wrote:




Hey Everyone!

I want to go on a trip and take a couple of my DVD¹s with me.  
Anybody know a

free, good program to use? We are driving about 24 hours and will need
something to do to pass the time.



My understanding is that there is no way to legally copy your DVD,  
even for home use/ backup copy// free speech/whatever rights we used  
to have.  DMCA trumps them.  See you in Guantanamo prison camp, you  
evildoer.


That said, there is a great util, Mac the Ripper, which is perfect  
for taking DVD movie to your HD for playback on the airplane or  
driving or whatever.  lots of people have positive things to say  
about it on macupdate.com


www.ripdifferent.com

HTH.

Brian


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Re: Best way to legally copy DVD

2005-06-30 Thread ACFX44501

Mac the Ripper:

http://www.ripdifferent.com/~mtr/

Rips well, and with a wide variety of options (entire DVD, main program 
only, Region change, etc).

But, getting it back on a playable DVD is the problem.

Even features which are under 2 hours often produce more than 4.7 GB of 
data.

Any specific recommendations as to authoring tools, to produce a DVD 
which will actually play?

I've already encountered situations where a player would accept a +R but 
not a -R.

And, what to do about the 4.7 GB limitation for a single-layer +/-R?

My plan is to upgrade my Lombard with a UJ-845B, which does have 
double-layer write capability, but right now I am limited to single-layer.

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