Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Donna Hood Pointer 
Since you are new to the Mac system and are a PC (I assume you mean 
Windows) user, it is nowhere near as complicated to remove an 
application in Mac OS. You can SEE it in the graphical interface. Yoou 
don't have to track anything down by path. there are no hidden DLL's 
etc., etc. If the previous owner was very organized that may be in a 
folder titled Applications. If not, then it is simply sitting out in 
plain  sight on the hard drive. (root directory to you). Basically, all 
you do is locate the folder for the application, Then click and hold on 
that folder to drag it into the Trash (usually in the lower right-hand 
corner). You can go into the System Folder Preferences Folder and drag 
any preference files for that application into the Trash also (but 
there may not even be any). The Trash is like the Recycle Bin on the 
Windows systems (where do you think they got all their ideas). It just 
fills up. To Empty the Trash (which actually frees up the space on your 
hard drive, you go to the menu that has Empty Trash in it and select 
that. I think it is the Special menu, if I recall. I can't visualize 
7.1 too clearly in my mind. By the way, you should only shut the 
computer off by selecting shutdown from the Special Menu. You only see 
one menu bar ever on the Mac, and it is always at the top. Nothing to 
confuse you. The menu bar is always contextual and related to the 
application you are running.

On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:31 PM, PowerBooks wrote:
 Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Donna Hood Pointer 
The G3 would read and write HG diskettes 1.4MB. Does the 180? Make sure 
you have diskettes that the 180 can handle.
On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:31 PM, PowerBooks wrote:

From: "Coleff, Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:41:17 -0600
Ah, I get it. Yea, I don't want to just upgrade it.
It's 19 floppies, yes. Alot, I know ;)
I just remembered, though, here in the office we have an old G3 sitting
around that I can use. I assume it would be best to format the disks 
from
that and use this diskcopy (?) to transfer the disk images over and 
then
boot from the first disk? Where can I get that?

thanks for your help
Patrick

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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Manfred 
Hi,


> Cool, thanks for your help. I will check the G3 shortly.
> Shoot, it is the ver. with no floppy drive. So I guess that's out.
> 
> The PB180, right now, only has the base 4mb ram (I was going to upgrade that
> later though).

with 4mb ram 7.5.3 seems to me too much. If you get a full ram upgrade to
14mb it might be ok.

> If I was to continue to run 7.1 on there, as you suggest, what would be the
> best way to reset everything to factory?

Good question but hard to answer. Best would be you try to get a System 7.1
on ebay or probably here on the swaplist.

Although Systems 7.01 and 7.5 are free, 7.1 is not. Dont know why.


> See, my worry is that I bought this off of someone and I want to make sure
> all his stuff is completely off there. Since the HD is soo small, I want to
> start out with as much space as possible. I had thought that, while doing
> that, I might as well upgrade the OS. Maybe I am thinking like a PC person,
> who knows ;) But, if 7.5.3 is going to be clunky, I am fine with sticking to
> 7.1 for now, as long as I can get it clean-as-possible.

With 7.5.3 the OS will eat up all your ram and mem swapping would
slow down this nice 68k book even more. If you have 10-20 meg
free space on your harddrive you have quite a lot of free space.

To clean up try following.

Old macs do not spread there files all over the machine like PCs or
Linux do.

In most cases you will find standalone apps with or without a prefsfile 
in harddrive/systemfolder/preferences

Or you will find apps within their own folder and probably a prefs file

You can start an unknown application, look what it does and then decide
if you delete it or not. You will 99.9% not have any depencies to
ruin your setup. No dlls or such. One thing why we all love the old macs :)

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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Coleff, Patrick 
Cool, thanks for your help. I will check the G3 shortly.
Shoot, it is the ver. with no floppy drive. So I guess that's out.

The PB180, right now, only has the base 4mb ram (I was going to upgrade that
later though).
If I was to continue to run 7.1 on there, as you suggest, what would be the
best way to reset everything to factory?
See, my worry is that I bought this off of someone and I want to make sure
all his stuff is completely off there. Since the HD is soo small, I want to
start out with as much space as possible. I had thought that, while doing
that, I might as well upgrade the OS. Maybe I am thinking like a PC person,
who knows ;) But, if 7.5.3 is going to be clunky, I am fine with sticking to
7.1 for now, as long as I can get it clean-as-possible.
thanks!
Patrick


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From: PowerBooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:53 AM
To: PowerBooks
Subject: Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180



Hello,

> Ah, I get it. Yea, I don't want to just upgrade it.
> It's 19 floppies, yes. Alot, I know ;) 

it is. Not too much if disk 18 isnt corrupted ;)

> I just remembered, though, here in the office we have an old G3 sitting
> around that I can use. I assume it would be best to format the disks from
> that and use this diskcopy (?) to transfer the disk images over and then
> boot from the first disk? Where can I get that?

Disk Copy should just be there. (search = apple+f) If unfortunately not, 
then look on the installation-cd of the G3. Ther should be a folder
disktools.

I this fails too, ther might be a version somewhere at apple.com.

Yes, generate on the G3 the floppies out of the images.
If it is a colored case there might be no floppy drive..
This will speed up things. You can boot already from disk1 
while G3 is writing disk2. If one gets corrupted you can
make another one on the G3 without aborting the installation.

How much RAM does the PB180 have ? Probably you would like
to stay with 7.1 :)

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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Manfred 

Hello,

> Ah, I get it. Yea, I don't want to just upgrade it.
> It's 19 floppies, yes. Alot, I know ;) 

it is. Not too much if disk 18 isnt corrupted ;)

> I just remembered, though, here in the office we have an old G3 sitting
> around that I can use. I assume it would be best to format the disks from
> that and use this diskcopy (?) to transfer the disk images over and then
> boot from the first disk? Where can I get that?

Disk Copy should just be there. (search = apple+f) If unfortunately not, 
then look on the installation-cd of the G3. Ther should be a folder disktools.

I this fails too, ther might be a version somewhere at apple.com.

Yes, generate on the G3 the floppies out of the images.
If it is a colored case there might be no floppy drive..
This will speed up things. You can boot already from disk1 
while G3 is writing disk2. If one gets corrupted you can
make another one on the G3 without aborting the installation.

How much RAM does the PB180 have ? Probably you would like
to stay with 7.1 :)

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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Coleff, Patrick 
Ah, I get it. Yea, I don't want to just upgrade it.
It's 19 floppies, yes. Alot, I know ;) 
I just remembered, though, here in the office we have an old G3 sitting
around that I can use. I assume it would be best to format the disks from
that and use this diskcopy (?) to transfer the disk images over and then
boot from the first disk? Where can I get that?

thanks for your help
Patrick


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From: PowerBooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Manfred
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:38 AM
To: PowerBooks
Subject: Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180



Hello,

> So, would it not work if I were to just transfer all the files to the 
> Mac HD and run them from there?
> How would I format the HD?

it might. You can try to move all files on the hd and mount them.
It is possible to install from mounted diskimages.

But this would be no (clean) installation but an upgrade.

If you decide to generate the (was it 15 ?) floppies and boot from
the first this will boot into a small OS. There you can select the
hd by clicking and then format by selecting "Initialize" from the last
menue right side (named "Extras" if i remember correctly).



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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Manfred 

Hello,

> So, would it not work if I were to just transfer all the files to the 
> Mac HD and run them from there?
> How would I format the HD?

it might. You can try to move all files on the hd and mount them.
It is possible to install from mounted diskimages.

But this would be no (clean) installation but an upgrade.

If you decide to generate the (was it 15 ?) floppies and boot from
the first this will boot into a small OS. There you can select the
hd by clicking and then format by selecting "Initialize" from the last
menue right side (named "Extras" if i remember correctly).



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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Coleff, Patrick 
Hello,

So, would it not work if I were to just transfer all the files to the Mac HD
and run them from there?
How would I format the HD?

thanks much
Patrick


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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180



Hi,

what you obtained from Apple are diskimages for floppies.

With Diskcopy you can make a set of installation floppies
out of them.

I am not sure if there is something on PC that can do this, if
not you have to transfer them somehow onto the PB180 and then
generate the installation floppies there.

It might be better to format first the hd before you install
7.5.3.


> I recently picked up a PB180 and wanted to wipe the HD and do a fresh
> install of OS 7.5.3 (which I picked up on Apple's site) - It has 7.1.x
now.
> 
> But the thing is, I looked around and couldn't find out exactly how to do
> this and as a PC user, I'm new to Mac's. I am able to format disks for it
on
> my PC using TransMac, but beyond that, I'm not sure if I should format
> first, or if I copy all the bin files to the Mac, it will give me an
option
> before I install the OS to completely wipe and format the HD. I do not
have
> access to a CD-Rom drive for it, but I can make as many floppies as
needed.
> 
> Any help or links I could be pointed to would be appreciated.
> thanks!

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Re: Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Manfred 

Hi,

what you obtained from Apple are diskimages for floppies.

With Diskcopy you can make a set of installation floppies
out of them.

I am not sure if there is something on PC that can do this, if
not you have to transfer them somehow onto the PB180 and then
generate the installation floppies there.

It might be better to format first the hd before you install
7.5.3.


> I recently picked up a PB180 and wanted to wipe the HD and do a fresh
> install of OS 7.5.3 (which I picked up on Apple's site) - It has 7.1.x now.
> 
> But the thing is, I looked around and couldn't find out exactly how to do
> this and as a PC user, I'm new to Mac's. I am able to format disks for it on
> my PC using TransMac, but beyond that, I'm not sure if I should format
> first, or if I copy all the bin files to the Mac, it will give me an option
> before I install the OS to completely wipe and format the HD. I do not have
> access to a CD-Rom drive for it, but I can make as many floppies as needed.
> 
> Any help or links I could be pointed to would be appreciated.
> thanks!

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Formatting and fresh install of 7.5.3 on a PB180

2005-03-04 Thread Coleff, Patrick 
Hello,

I recently picked up a PB180 and wanted to wipe the HD and do a fresh
install of OS 7.5.3 (which I picked up on Apple's site) - It has 7.1.x now.

But the thing is, I looked around and couldn't find out exactly how to do
this and as a PC user, I'm new to Mac's. I am able to format disks for it on
my PC using TransMac, but beyond that, I'm not sure if I should format
first, or if I copy all the bin files to the Mac, it will give me an option
before I install the OS to completely wipe and format the HD. I do not have
access to a CD-Rom drive for it, but I can make as many floppies as needed.

Any help or links I could be pointed to would be appreciated.
thanks!
Patrick

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