IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Tom Roth]

I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear Wireless (or 
wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  Lately, if I have to 
reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it fails to acquire a TCP/IP number even 
though it's set to do so.  At first I thought it was the router so I plugged in 
directly to the cable modem but am still experiencing problems.  The cable modem 
appears to be functioning fine and when the router is connected there's activity 
between the cable modem and the router, I just can't seem to get an IP assigned.

I usually have to keep trashing the TCP/IP prefs, reboot and after a several tries it 
finally gets the IP.  I've rebooted the cable modem too and it's lights look like it's 
working fine.  This weekend I booted from my external HD and did a restore from a 
backup earlier in the month (before the problem began) and I restored the TCP/IP 
control panel, TCP/IP prefs, all of the open transport extensions and all of the 
Orinoco extensions, control panels and prefs.  Keep in mind that this PowerBook has a 
built in ethernet but I also have the Orinoco card for the wireless connection.  But 
even with the router and wireless out of the loop I still had problems.

The restore from backup of the aforementioned items did not help the situation.  
Sunday afternoon I had been on the Internet and then was working in Excel when it 
locked up on me forcing me to do a reboot.  When it came back up no IP number was 
assigned.  I had to keep switching between the Orinoco and the built-in wired 
ethernet, trashing the TCP/IP prefs, rebooting shuffle and finally, after about the 
seventh time it worked.

Well, this is getting old. But before I do a complete reinstall of the OS, any 
suggestions about what might be going on here?  Since it's happening with and without 
the router and with and without the Orinoco that's ruled out.   When it does this even 
if I manually assign an IP that the router would have assigned it still doesn't work 
which is why I think it's something on the PowerBook.  Since it happens with the 
Orinoco and the built-in ethernet I don't' think it's hardware.  That's why I was 
hoping the restore from backup would help.  I could restore the whole system folder 
but not sure if that would help or not but it would be faster than reinstalling the 
whole OS which I'm really hoping to avoid.  Anyone have any suggestions?


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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[gdadams1]

Tom:

I have the same machine but I'm running 9.2.2 with Airport and an Orinoco. Have you 
tried something like setting up different locations in Location Manager and then 
switching back and forth? I've found that by using Location Manager to switch back and 
forth from wired to wireless, it resets fine. That doesn't solve your root 
problem--losing the connection in the first place, but it might be a place to begin.

Gary
> 
> From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/10/27 Mon AM 08:35:31 EST
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: IP problem on PowerBook 3400
> 
> 
> I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear Wireless (or 
> wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  Lately, if I have to 
> reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it fails to acquire a TCP/IP number 
> even though it's set to do so.  At first I thought it was the router so I plugged in 
> directly to the cable modem but am still experiencing problems.  The cable modem 
> appears to be functioning fine and when the router is connected there's activity 
> between the cable modem and the router, I just can't seem to get an IP assigned.
> 
> I usually have to keep trashing the TCP/IP prefs, reboot and after a several tries 
> it finally gets the IP.  I've rebooted the cable modem too and it's lights look like 
> it's working fine.  This weekend I booted from my external HD and did a restore from 
> a backup earlier in the month (before the problem began) and I restored the TCP/IP 
> control panel, TCP/IP prefs, all of the open transport extensions and all of the 
> Orinoco extensions, control panels and prefs.  Keep in mind that this PowerBook has 
> a built in ethernet but I also have the Orinoco card for the wireless connection.  
> But even with the router and wireless out of the loop I still had problems.



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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Tom Roth]

Gary,

Appreciate the quick reply.  Right now I'm using the TCP/IP Control Panel now to 
switch from the Orinoco to the wired ethernet and viceversa.  What would using the 
Location Manager do in addition to that?

-tom

> --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400
> 
> Tom:
> 
> I have the same machine but I'm running 9.2.2 with Airport and an Orinoco. Have you 
> tried something like setting up different locations in Location Manager and then 
> switching back and forth? I've found that by using Location Manager to switch back 
> and forth from wired to wireless, it resets fine. That doesn't solve your root 
> problem--losing the connection in the first place, but it might be a place to begin.
> 
> Gary
>  
> > From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2003/10/27 Mon AM 08:35:31 EST
> > Subject: IP problem on PowerBook 3400
> > 
> > I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear Wireless (or 
> > wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  Lately, if I have to 
> > reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it fails to acquire a TCP/IP number 
> > even though it's set to do so.  At first I thought it was the router so I plugged 
> > in directly to the cable modem but am still experiencing problems.  The cable 
> > modem appears to be functioning fine and when the router is connected there's 
> > activity between the cable modem and the router, I just can't seem to get an IP 
> > assigned.
> > 
> > I usually have to keep trashing the TCP/IP prefs, reboot and after a several tries 
> > it finally gets the IP.  I've rebooted the cable modem too and it's lights look 
> > like it's working fine.  This weekend I booted from my external HD and did a 
> > restore from a backup earlier in the month (before the problem began) and I 
> > restored the TCP/IP control panel, TCP/IP prefs, all of the open transport 
> > extensions and all of the Orinoco extensions, control panels and prefs.  Keep in 
> > mind that this PowerBook has a built in ethernet but I also have the Orinoco card 
> > for the wireless connection.  But even with the router and wireless out of the 
> > loop I still had problems.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[gdadams1]

Tom:

Location Manager will actually switch TCP/IP, Appletalk, and other settings. I started 
using it with my Pismo when going back and forth from work (dialup versus broadband). 
It seems to be more reliable about acquiring an IP IMHO.

Gary
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> From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/10/27 Mon AM 09:05:43 EST
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400
> 
> Gary,
> 
> Appreciate the quick reply.  Right now I'm using the TCP/IP Control Panel now to 
> switch from the Orinoco to the wired ethernet and viceversa.  What would using the 
> Location Manager do in addition to that?
> 
> -tom



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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Eric]

I had a similar problem with my iBook(Dual USB) running 9.2.2 with an Airport card.
When I tried to get an IP from the wireless router at home, i would get gibberish.
Sometimes. Other times it worked just fine. The strange thing was, it was always the
same bad information. What I did was create a new set of settings with a valid fixed
IP. Just be sure to pick somethhing high enough that the DHCP server won't try to
assign it to a different computer when the 3400 isn't around. It doesn't address the
root of the problem, but it happened to me with 4 different models (3 different
brands) of wireless routers. It only happened under OS 9. OS X and all the PCs work
just fine. So I think it's an OS 9 problem.

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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Clark Martin]

At 8:03 AM -0800 10/27/03, Eric wrote:
I had a similar problem with my iBook(Dual USB) running 9.2.2 with 
an Airport card.
When I tried to get an IP from the wireless router at home, i would 
get gibberish.
Sometimes. Other times it worked just fine. The strange thing was, 
it was always the
same bad information. What I did was create a new set of settings 
with a valid fixed
IP. Just be sure to pick somethhing high enough that the DHCP server 
won't try to
assign it to a different computer when the 3400 isn't around. It 
doesn't address the
root of the problem, but it happened to me with 4 different models 
(3 different
brands) of wireless routers. It only happened under OS 9. OS X and 
all the PCs work
just fine. So I think it's an OS 9 problem.


If you are using DHCP and you get an IP address of 169 it means 
the DHCP server was unreachable or had run out of addresses.  The 169 
address range is a default that gets used when the computer can't get 
an address from the server.

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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Charles]

on 10/27/03 12:19 PM, Tom Roth wrote:

> 
> I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear =
> Wireless (or wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  =
> Lately, if I have to reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it =
> fails to acquire a TCP/IP number even though it's set to do so.  At =


> 
>  Anyone have any suggestions?

Are you able to obtain a DHCP address and connect from other machines on
your LAN through the router? If so, then the following isn't related to your
problem, but I thought I'd mention it since others may have experienced it.

Some ISP's have put in place a system to deter people from using routers.
They only allow the user to connect from the MAC address which was initially
setup with the cable modem by checking the DCHP requesting device's MAC
address.  If you later add a router (which has its own MAC address), the ISP
will deny issuing IP addresses.

The solution (I have a Linksys router) is to setup the router to "clone"
your computers MAC address which is then used as the router's MAC address
and seen by your ISP.  You can enter any MAC address into the cloning field,
but for it to work, you must enter the MAC address from the computer
initially used with your cable modem.



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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Charles]

> 
> If you are using DHCP and you get an IP address of 169 it means
> the DHCP server was unreachable or had run out of addresses.  The 169
> address range is a default that gets used when the computer can't get
> an address from the server.

That's interesting.  I have this problem with my Umax S900 running OSX, but
ONLY when I use the PCI 10/100 ethernet port.

Occasionally, TCP/IP comes up as "self assigned" with a 169.x.x.x address.
Setting an IP address manually doesn't fix it either. If I use the built-in
ethernet port, I don't experience the problem.

My router is setup for 50 users, and it only has 8 ports, so I can't be
running out of addresses.  Resetting the router has no effect, only
rebooting the computer fixes it.  Hmmm...

Charles


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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400

[Tom Roth]

Thanks for the suggestion Charles but I don't have any other computers at home.  I 
don't think my ISP does MAC address restriction.  Besides, I can get it working if I 
keep trashing TCP/IP prefs and rebooting about half a dozen times.  I've had the 
router since the beginning.  Just today I noticed besides the TCP/IP prefs there are 
also Open Transport prefs which I've not deleted or restored from backup so trashing 
them will be my next step.  Right now it's working so I hate to mess with it but I 
know that as soon as I reboot or shutdown, there will be a problem when the computer 
boots back up again.

-tom

> --
> From:     Charles
> Subject:  Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400
> 
> on 10/27/03 12:19 PM, Tom Roth wrote:
> > I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear =
> > Wireless (or wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  =
> > Lately, if I have to reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it =
> > fails to acquire a TCP/IP number even though it's set to do so.  At =
> 
> Are you able to obtain a DHCP address and connect from other machines on
> your LAN through the router? If so, then the following isn't related to your
> problem, but I thought I'd mention it since others may have experienced it.
> 
> Some ISP's have put in place a system to deter people from using routers.
> They only allow the user to connect from the MAC address which was initially
> setup with the cable modem by checking the DCHP requesting device's MAC
> address.  If you later add a router (which has its own MAC address), the ISP
> will deny issuing IP addresses.
> 
> The solution (I have a Linksys router) is to setup the router to "clone"
> your computers MAC address which is then used as the router's MAC address
> and seen by your ISP.  You can enter any MAC address into the cloning field,
> but for it to work, you must enter the MAC address from the computer
> initially used with your cable modem.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

[jim page]

might want to try static IPs, not  elegant but works for my 5 wired home
networked MACs running 8.6( three 3400's and two G3s)

i set up my linksys box to start assigning DHCP addresses at IP 100, so i
have addresses under 100 to assign statically

not elegant, simple, works for me

jim

> 
> on 10/27/03 12:19 PM, Tom Roth wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear =
>> Wireless (or wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  =
>> Lately, if I have to reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it =
>> fails to acquire a TCP/IP number even though it's set to do so.  At =
> 
> 
>> 
>> Anyone have any suggestions?


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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

[Tom Roth]

I may try that.  The last time I did I used the same number that the DHCP would have 
assigned and it didn't work.

-tom

> --
> From: jim page
> Subject:  Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs
> 
> 
> might want to try static IPs, not  elegant but works for my 5 wired home
> networked MACs running 8.6( three 3400's and two G3s)
> 
> i set up my linksys box to start assigning DHCP addresses at IP 100, so i
> have addresses under 100 to assign statically
> 
> not elegant, simple, works for me
> 
> jim
> 
> > 
> > on 10/27/03 12:19 PM, Tom Roth wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> I have a PowerBook 3400 running OS 9.1 at home connected to a Netgear =
> >> Wireless (or wired) router which is in turn connected to a cable modem.  =
> >> Lately, if I have to reboot or if I shutdown when it comes back up it =
> >> fails to acquire a TCP/IP number even though it's set to do so.  At =
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> 
> 

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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

[Tom Roth]

Well I tried the static IP numbers on my PowerBook 3400 last night and it worked.  I 
rebooted twice and each time I was able to connect too the internet after rebooting 
with no problems.  I then shutdown before going to bed and booted it back up this 
morning.  After it finished booting I was able to connect to the internet again so it 
must have been something to do with the DHCP not working on the Mac.

Before I did this I connected to my router's administration settings and reduced the 
DHCP range from 2-50 to 2-10 and then set my Mac's IP at 12.  I also wrote down the 
DNS numbers that the router was getting from the cable modem and entered those 
manually as well into the Name Server field of the TCP/IP Control Panel.  

Question:  If I had entered my router's IP in the Name Server field of the TCP/IP 
Control Panel, would the router then pass the DNS request onto the real DNS that it 
knows about?  That's the nice thing about DHCP, I don't have to remember all those 
numbers.

Thanks for your help!
-tom


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> From:     Tom Roth
> Subject:  Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs
> 
> I may try that.  The last time I did I used the same number that the DHCP would have 
> assigned and it didn't work.
> 
> -tom
> 
> > ----------
> > From:   jim page
> > Subject:Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs
> > 
> > might want to try static IPs, not  elegant but works for my 5 wired home
> > networked MACs running 8.6 (three 3400's and two G3s)
> > 
> > i set up my linksys box to start assigning DHCP addresses at IP 100, so i
> > have addresses under 100 to assign statically
> > 
> > not elegant, simple, works for me
> > 
> > jim
> 

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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

[gdadams1]

Tom:

I forgot, but that's exactly how I have my PB 3400 set--with the router's settings 
192.x.x.x in the Gateway field for the DNS. It doesn't pass those on to the ISP. I 
rememeber now reading somewhere that that would help connect.

Gary
> 
> From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/10/30 Thu AM 08:47:56 EST
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs
> 
> 
> Well I tried the static IP numbers on my PowerBook 3400 last night and it worked.  I 
> rebooted twice and each time I was able to connect too the internet after rebooting 
> with no problems.  I then shutdown before going to bed and booted it back up this 
> morning.  After it finished booting I was able to connect to the internet again so 
> it must have been something to do with the DHCP not working on the Mac.
> 
> Before I did this I connected to my router's administration settings and reduced the 
> DHCP range from 2-50 to 2-10 and then set my Mac's IP at 12.  I also wrote down the 
> DNS numbers that the router was getting from the cable modem and entered those 
> manually as well into the Name Server field of the TCP/IP Control Panel.  
> 
> Question:  If I had entered my router's IP in the Name Server field of the TCP/IP 
> Control Panel, would the router then pass the DNS request onto the real DNS that it 
> knows about?  That's the nice thing about DHCP, I don't have to remember all those 
> numbers.
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> -tom



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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

[Tom Roth]

After switching to static IP my problems went away and then I asked if it was possible 
to put my router's IP address in the Name Server field of the TCP/IP control panel 
figuring that the router new the real DNS as it had gotten it from the cable modem.  
So, I thought I would trying thinking it would not work.  I wrote down the two DNS IPs 
that I had in the Name Server field (which I had gotten from my router's admin web 
page) and then I replaced those two with just my router's IP.  I saved the changes and 
rebooted.  By golly it worked and has been for a few days now.  So that's two fewer IP 
numbers I have to remember when configuring the IP settings since I'm no longer using 
DHCP.  Just thought I'd let you all know.

-tom

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Subject:    Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

Tom:

I forgot, but that's exactly how I have my PB 3400 set--with the router's settings 
192.x.x.x in the Gateway field for the DNS. It doesn't pass those on to the ISP. I 
rememeber now reading somewhere that that would help connect.

Gary
> 
> From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Well I tried the static IP numbers on my PowerBook 3400 last night and it worked.  I 
> rebooted twice and each time I was able to connect too the internet after rebooting 
> with no problems.  I then shutdown before going to bed and booted it back up this 
> morning.  After it finished booting I was able to connect to the internet again so 
> it must have been something to do with the DHCP not working on the Mac.
> 
> Before I did this I connected to my router's administration settings and reduced the 
> DHCP range from 2-50 to 2-10 and then set my Mac's IP at 12.  I also wrote down the 
> DNS numbers that the router was getting from the cable modem and entered those 
> manually as well into the Name Server field of the TCP/IP Control Panel.  
> 
> Question:  If I had entered my router's IP in the Name Server field of the TCP/IP 
> Control Panel, would the router then pass the DNS request onto the real DNS that it 
> knows about?  That's the nice thing about DHCP, I don't have to remember all those 
> numbers.
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> -tom



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Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs

[gdadams1]

Congratulations, Tom! Don't you feel good when you're able to get something that was 
problematic back to proper working order?

Gary
> 
> From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/03 Mon AM 09:16:26 EST
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: IP problem on PowerBook 3400 - static IPs
> 
> 
> After switching to static IP my problems went away and then I asked if it was 
> possible to put my router's IP address in the Name Server field of the TCP/IP 
> control panel figuring that the router new the real DNS as it had gotten it from the 
> cable modem.  So, I thought I would trying thinking it would not work.  I wrote down 
> the two DNS IPs that I had in the Name Server field (which I had gotten from my 
> router's admin web page) and then I replaced those two with just my router's IP.  I 
> saved the changes and rebooted.  By golly it worked and has been for a few days now. 
>  So that's two fewer IP numbers I have to remember when configuring the IP settings 
> since I'm no longer using DHCP.  Just thought I'd let you all know.
> 
> -tom
> 



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