Re: Subject: Re: PB 160 - appears dead - Charlie

[Brian Mahoney]

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Subject: Subject: Re: PB 160 - appears dead

Electronics is my hobby and power supplies are my "thing".
In general I don't open up those "wall warts".  I have about
150 of them I've collected over the years, and can usually find 
one that matches my needs in this pile of tangled wires and plugs.

But sometimes I can't, and it's time to pry the offender open
and inspect the guts.

I believe you have isolated your problem.  Realize that the
output from that plug will be somewhat higher than 7.5 volts
when you check it with a voltmeter while it's not under load.
When it's loaded (plugged into the computer, computer
operating) the measured output voltage could be about 
9 volts.  If it's as much as 10 volts I'd be concerned.


With some "wall warts" the components inside are "potted".
This means the components are imbedded in epoxy or 
another polymer.  This also means that getting to the individual

components is impossible.  In extreme cases I have used a
hacksaw to (carefully!!) cut the "box" away from the plate that
has the plugs that go into the wall. Very carefully!!  Sometimes
a well-placed screwdriver will do the job. I would not start
whacking away at it until totally convinced that there's a good
reason to look inside.

In high-quality power supplies there is a voltage control
regulator... either a fairly large zener diode or a regulator
"chip" that controls the output voltage.  If it's not potted, then
maythe zener diode may be easy to replace.  In the best of
worlds the zener diode has a number on it that can be
"looked up" to learn (1) it's voltage and (2) its wattage.
Replacing a voltage control regulator "chip" requires a
lot of tender loving care.  If you do open it, look for parts
that seem to have been overheated.  If you work with
electronics, the trick is to "load" it with a high-wattage
resistor across the output and check for parts that are
getting too hot.  Then check voltages at appropriate
points, etc.

I wonder whether the adapter you are using is putting out
a good, solid 7.5 volts when it's "loaded"? 

From: Charlie H. 

 

Charlie, I just realized that my response yesterday was in error. When I 
switched the meter range from 10 to 50 volts, the reading was in the low 
end of the 50 range so you're right, it probably is sending out 
something more than 10 but not really high when the PS isn't under a load.
The connecting pin seems very loose on the pin coming from the laptop so 
maybe there isn't sufficient contact to power up. I think this should be 
intermittent however instead of always dead.


Thanks for the responses, I'll post again if I ever figure out what the 
problem is.


BM

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Re: Subject: Re: PB 160 - appears dead

[Brian Mahoney]

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Subject: Subject: Re: PB 160 - appears dead



I wonder whether the adapter you are using is putting out
a good, solid 7.5 volts when it's "loaded"? 

From: Charlie H. 

 

Thanks for the info Charlie. When I measured the output, no load, it was 
over 50 volts as far as I could tell. The needle bounced when set to 10V 
dc so I switched the settting to read 50+ and the needle went a couple 
of volts higher than 0. I have a digital meter somewhere, but the 
somewhere is the problem. If the voltage is as high as I think it is 
then I'm surprised that the main unit isn't fried. Is there a regulator 
inside it to stop too much power from getting in?


As I said, when I hooked up the multiple lead adapter to it, set to 
7.5V, the screen came alive. The adapter is the kind one would use for a 
radio or keyboard, variable voltage and head polarity and certainly not 
2A I don't think. The other Mac transformer I have is from a 230 duo but 
the voltage is a lot higher so no use there. I have several other 
transformers that I will take a look at, never actually thought that one 
might work. Thanks for the tip!


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Subject: Re: PB 160 - appears dead

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Subject: Subject: Re: PB 160 - appears dead

Electronics is my hobby and power supplies are my "thing".
In general I don't open up those "wall warts".  I have about
150 of them I've collected over the years, and can usually find 
one that matches my needs in this pile of tangled wires and plugs.
But sometimes I can't, and it's time to pry the offender open
and inspect the guts.

I believe you have isolated your problem.  Realize that the
output from that plug will be somewhat higher than 7.5 volts
when you check it with a voltmeter while it's not under load.
When it's loaded (plugged into the computer, computer
operating) the measured output voltage could be about 
9 volts.  If it's as much as 10 volts I'd be concerned.

With some "wall warts" the components inside are "potted".
This means the components are imbedded in epoxy or 
another polymer.  This also means that getting to the individual
components is impossible.  In extreme cases I have used a
hacksaw to (carefully!!) cut the "box" away from the plate that
has the plugs that go into the wall. Very carefully!!  Sometimes
a well-placed screwdriver will do the job. I would not start
whacking away at it until totally convinced that there's a good
reason to look inside.

In high-quality power supplies there is a voltage control
regulator... either a fairly large zener diode or a regulator
"chip" that controls the output voltage.  If it's not potted, then
maythe zener diode may be easy to replace.  In the best of
worlds the zener diode has a number on it that can be
"looked up" to learn (1) it's voltage and (2) its wattage.
Replacing a voltage control regulator "chip" requires a
lot of tender loving care.  If you do open it, look for parts
that seem to have been overheated.  If you work with
electronics, the trick is to "load" it with a high-wattage
resistor across the output and check for parts that are
getting too hot.  Then check voltages at appropriate
points, etc.

I wonder whether the adapter you are using is putting out
a good, solid 7.5 volts when it's "loaded"? 

From: Charlie H. 

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Re: PB 160 - appears dead

[Brian Mahoney]

Christopher Cate wrote:


Hi Brian -

   You do have to press the button in the back, as there isn't a power 
button on the keyboard. My first mac was a PB 160 (which I still have 
- though it's not in good shape anymore). Let me know if I can help 
further.


-Chris

Thanks for the responses. I did a check of the PS and it's shooting out 
way over the 7.5V that it's rated at. Then I hooked the 160 up with my 
ac/dc adapter, set at 7.5 postive tip and I got a screen. Lots of 
interference but at least I know it's the PS not the main unit. Probably 
a resistor gone in the PS I'm thinking. Has anyone taken the PS apart on 
these? Looks like the plug slides out somehow.


BM


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Re: PB 160 - appears dead

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Hi Brian -

   You do have to press the button in the back, as there isn't a power 
button on the keyboard. My first mac was a PB 160 (which I still have - 
though it's not in good shape anymore). Let me know if I can help further.


-Chris


Brian Mahoney wrote:

Then again, I don't even know how to turn it on, I'm guessing the 
button on the rear left but maybe there is a trick on the keyboard. 
Any suggestions as to what to look for first? Thanks.






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PB 160 - appears dead

[Brian Mahoney]

Hi Crew! I just picked up a 160 which looks like it's in great shape 
cosmetically, except it seems stone dead. There is no battery in it. 
Would that affect whether it boots or not? I doubt it. Then again, I 
don't even know how to turn it on, I'm guessing the button on the rear 
left but maybe there is a trick on the keyboard. Any suggestions as to 
what to look for first? Thanks.


I consider this sort of a rescue since it was about to go in the trash 
at the Sally Ann store. Got it for 7 bucks. If it really is dead and 
someone can use it for parts, contact me off list. I'm in Toronto.


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Re: PB 160

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On 2 Jul 2005, at 15:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,

Recently I acquired a 2nd Mac, a PB 160.   It's in great physical   
shape but

it has it's quirks.
It boots up and I get a blank screen with a working mouse pointer,  
after
several minutes it will ask for a floppy. If I insert a OS startup  
disk, I'll
get the happy Mac icon, a few  musical notes and then nothing. One  
time it
booted to what looks like 6.0.x.   Also is it suppose to take that   
long for the
little Mac  to respond?   The harddrive does  spin up and doesn't  
sound sick.

Are there certain keys to press at startup to get different  options?



Do you have an external scsi cdrom ? if so hook it up to the pb and  
start from that, you should be able to get all the system specs when  
booted to a cd so see if it has enough to put a bare system 7 on  
there. Depending on how big the hdd and memory is , (also what you  
want it for) i would go for claris works. or just word for writing.


It sounds like the hdd is dying so i would say that is the first  
thing to check once it is booted.



vicki 


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PB 160

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Hi all,
 
Recently I acquired a 2nd Mac, a PB 160.   It's in great physical  shape but 
it has it's quirks.
It boots up and I get a blank screen with a working mouse pointer, after  
several minutes it will ask for a floppy. If I insert a OS startup disk, I'll  
get the happy Mac icon, a few  musical notes and then nothing. One time it  
booted to what looks like 6.0.x.   Also is it suppose to take that  long for 
the 
little Mac  to respond?   The harddrive does  spin up and doesn't sound sick.
Are there certain keys to press at startup to get different  options?

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PB 160

[Grace Tallman Gooding]

Dear Bill & others--

Today the power cord arrived for the 160.  But now I'm not sure if I'm a
moron or what (and the guy I got it from is no help--he only answers half
of any email I send and apparently the computer is from is
brother-in-law)...?  I plug it in and I can hear stuff going on when I turn
it on, and the screen is lit up, but there is nothing ON the screen that I
can see.  I've tried messing with the brightness and contrast sliding
thingys, but it doesn't help.  If I do apple commands (like apple-F) I can
HEAR something going on, but nothing on the screen.

Suggestions about what might be wrong or what I ought to do next?  I don't
really want to give this guy any decent feedback if the thing doesn't
really run, but I don't want to complain if I'm just being stupid.

grace :)



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Re: Zip Disk on my PB 160?

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--- Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My Reply follows quote. On 28/01/2004 16:37
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 
>  
> 
> >I would like to use my old external Iomega zip
> drive with my pb 160 
> >and 7.6.1. Do I need adapters/software, and if so
> what should I use? 

You need a Powerbook SCSI adapter.  I may have an
extra.  Email if you want to talk.  No problem with
the OS.  I have the driver if you need it.

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what modem in PB 160?

[alienbill]

Trying to connect using my PB160 and 7.6.1. I see a list of a zillion 
modems- which one is the internal? Also, I see no options other than 
modem or printer port. It is currently set to modem port- will it 
recognize the internal modem? Thanks for any info.

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Re: Zip Disk on my PB 160?

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My Reply follows quote. On 28/01/2004 16:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 
 

>I would like to use my old external Iomega zip drive with my pb 160 
>and 7.6.1. Do I need adapters/software, and if so what should I use? 
>Many thanks for any info.
>
>bill

Assuming it is a SCSI drive, I have even used one with an old Apple ][gs. 
Didn't need a driver for that one. For Sys 7.6.1, you may have to hunt up 
one of the older drivers, but it should work fine. I have used one on a 
PB165 and a 170 with no problems. You will, of course, need the right 
cable or HDI SCSI adapter in order to mate it to the powerbook.

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Zip Disk on my PB 160?

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I would like to use my old external Iomega zip drive with my pb 160 
and 7.6.1. Do I need adapters/software, and if so what should I use? 
Many thanks for any info.

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Re: PB 160 ON ETHERNET

[Nils Mueller-Scheessel]

At 15:32 Uhr -0500 25.01.2004, sean and billy v and c wrote:
 How would i get my 160 on ethernet? or would it be just as much as getting
 an ibook?
Try to get one of the SCSI-Ethernet-Adapters on ebay. I use the 
Asante mini en/sc 10T to connect my PB 180c to my G4 (drivers are 
available on the web; make sure that you have a PB-SCSI-adapter as 
well), and it works ok.

Hope this helps.

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PB 160 ON ETHERNET

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Re: PB 160 battery issue

[Volk (contractor)]

Bill,

Just finished dealing with a problem with exactly the same symptoms,
the cause was the board mounted pico fuse mounted on the logic board, next
to the battery contacts, replaced it and unit has worked fine every since.
I also isolated this problem on 2 other machines I bought on the LEM list.

Roger

alienbill wrote:

> My 160 works for only a few minutes until it begins warning me that
> the battery is low, and soon after shuts down. I have the AC adapter
> plugged in all this time and thought I was using AC and not battery
> power. When I remove the battery I get no boot up at all from the
> machine.
>
> Are these things normal, or might there be a problem with my power
> adapter? (I know the battery is low but thought that wouldn't be an
> issue since I almost always use it plugged in). Might there be some
> switch for changine from battery to AC power or is this automatic?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions
>
> bill
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PB 160 battery issue

[alienbill]

My 160 works for only a few minutes until it begins warning me that 
the battery is low, and soon after shuts down. I have the AC adapter 
plugged in all this time and thought I was using AC and not battery 
power. When I remove the battery I get no boot up at all from the 
machine.

Are these things normal, or might there be a problem with my power 
adapter? (I know the battery is low but thought that wouldn't be an 
issue since I almost always use it plugged in). Might there be some 
switch for changine from battery to AC power or is this automatic?

Thanks for any suggestions

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PB 160 install

[alienbill]

Just got my first ever Mac laptop, a PB 160 and have a few odd 
problems I hope someone can help with.

First, I am trying to install 7.6 from floppy (it came with this OS 
but I'd rather wipe it clean, put mine on, and then upgrade to a 
clean 7.6.1). Disk First Aid says all is well but when I try to 
initialize it cannot find a scsi device. The hard drive is 240mb 
whereas I read that the max for this model is 140mb. Could it be that 
the previous owner installed from another machine using the PB as an 
external scsi device, but the software cannot see this bigger disk to 
install in the normal way?

OR, could it be there is a setting someplace putting it in scsi 
device mode which needs to be turned off in order to see my install 
attempt?

I don't have the cable to set it up as an external scsi device and 
attempt to install via my 8600 so if I'm to initialize and install at 
all I need a way to do this from the floppies.

Any info much appreciated.

bill

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Re: PB 160

[Linda Hyde]

oh great,
would you mind if I ask you questions about it when I get it up and
running? I have to replace my power cord first.
thanks, Linda

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/14/03 03:38PM >>>
>From: "Linda Hyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I've just obtained a Powerbook 160 and wonder if it is possible to
>access the internet with it?

No problems whatsoever ! - i use mine without any hitches .
~ and that's with the internal 14.4 modem .



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Re: PB 160

[ken ross]

>From: "Linda Hyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I've just obtained a Powerbook 160 and wonder if it is possible to
>access the internet with it?

No problems whatsoever ! - i use mine without any hitches .
~ and that's with the internal 14.4 modem .



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PB 160

[Linda Hyde]

Hello everyone,
I've just obtained a Powerbook 160 and wonder if it is possible to
access the internet with it?
Are there any free dialup email services available?

Thanks for any help

linda

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PB 160/165/180 etc...

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

To fix my vintage 180 I am trying to buy at ebay some broken 160/165/180 stuff.

What kind of swaps are allowed?

I.e. 180 logic board + 160 screen or viceversa, etc...

Any suggestion and URLs are welcome.

Ben
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