Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Joost van de Griek]

On 11/21/05 10:37 PM, Donna Hood Pointer wrote:

> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:31 PM, PowerBooks wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Donna. Are there any significant interface differences between 8 and
>> 9?
>
> Here's a link. I think the best thing was Software Update. You can see what
> else at the link . It also had some
> cute thikngs such as "knock-knock" jokes. You could talk to the computer and
> have it talk back to you. D

PlainTalk and knock-knock jokes have been standard issue since System 7.5.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

SNIP

That said, OS 9 has much more native PPC code than does OS 8.6. With lots
of RAM and a faster-than-original HD (for speedy-ish VM) OS 9 is faster
in use than any other classic Mac OS. PPC code uses more resources (RAM &
HD space) than 68K code, so you'll not be happy if you have less than
48MB, 64MB is better still. OS 9 does take longer to boot than earlier
systems, just takes longer to load all that extra-sized PPC code.

FYI, you can use up to OS 9.1 on the nubus-based 1400, the 9.2.x updates
require a PCI-based Mac.


SNIP

Thanks for the input, Dan. I had almost bid on a copy of 9.2.2 on E-Bay 
until I also uncovered something (I think it was at everymac.com) showing 
that 9.1 was the last version that ran on the 1400. I assume that was due to 
the system's bus?


Thanks again for the response,

G3fidel



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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

SNIP


Here's a link. I think the best thing was Software Update. You can see what 
else at the link . It also had some 
cute thikngs such as "knock-knock" jokes. You could talk to the computer 
and have it talk back to you. D

SNIP

Thanks for the link, Donna. Knock-knock jokes as a system feature? That's 
just too freakin' hilarious!


Ciao,

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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>> 8.6 is a free downloadable update which I'd always put onto 8.5

> Thanks for tha advice, Malcolm, I guess I need to make it a point to do
> that. What are the major features/fixes for 8.6?

Look on the Apple website ?

It is a bug fix release to 8.5, dunno if it added anything new.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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Donna Hood Pointer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know OS 9 needs 64MB RAM and runs on G3, because I had to buy my 
>daughter an extra 32MB chip to put it on her early iMac. It absolutely 
>needs 64MB. Carshes the machine with 32MB.
Well, not really, OS 9 _will_ run with only 16MB real RAM _with_VM_on_, 
but it's so dog slow with that little RAM you'd need to be a certified 
masochist . . .

That said, OS 9 has much more native PPC code than does OS 8.6. With lots 
of RAM and a faster-than-original HD (for speedy-ish VM) OS 9 is faster 
in use than any other classic Mac OS. PPC code uses more resources (RAM & 
HD space) than 68K code, so you'll not be happy if you have less than 
48MB, 64MB is better still. OS 9 does take longer to boot than earlier 
systems, just takes longer to load all that extra-sized PPC code.

FYI, you can use up to OS 9.1 on the nubus-based 1400, the 9.2.x updates 
require a PCI-based Mac.

There's always those folks who prefer the lighter weight of the earlier 
systems, with their faster load times and generally snappier GUI 
response. I prefer the more modern amenities of OS 9, plus the overall 
speed of things like file copies, as well as OS 9's wider availability of 
compatible software. I use OS 9.1 on my 333MHz G3/64MB/20GB 1400C and I'm 
happy. Actually, I use OS 9.x over 8.x whenever possible, eg: my PB540C 
PPC/167/40/30GB loves OS 9!

So IMHO the best thing is try 8.6 and 9.1 and see which feels more 
'right' for _you_.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Donna Hood Pointer]

Here's a link. I think the best thing was Software Update. You can see 
what else at the link <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9>. It also 
had some cute thikngs such as "knock-knock" jokes. You could talk to 
the computer and have it talk back to you. D


On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:31 PM, PowerBooks wrote:


Subject: Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:48:23 -0600

SNIP
The biggest thing I liked about OS 9 was the Software Update feature, 
which
was a great improvement over having to figure out what updates you 
needed
and where they could be found. However, now all updates are out for 
OS 9. I

went from System 7 to System 9. I really liked 9.

SNIP

Thanks, Donna. Are there any significant interface differences between 
8 and

9?



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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

SNIP
The biggest thing I liked about OS 9 was the Software Update feature, which 
was a great improvement over having to figure out what updates you needed 
and where they could be found. However, now all updates are out for OS 9. I 
went from System 7 to System 9. I really liked 9.

SNIP

Thanks, Donna. Are there any significant interface differences between 8 and 
9?


Ciao!

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

SNIP


8.6 is a free downloadable update which I'd always put onto 8.5

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SNIP

Thanks for tha advice, Malcolm, I guess I need to make it a point to do 
that. What are the major features/fixes for 8.6?


Thanks!

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

SNIP

I once bought a 1400c on eBay ($30 + shipping) that came with a 250 MHz G3 
upgrade.


Ho-ho, that's almost as good a stroke of luck as mine!

The previous owner didn't knew because he didn't
have the NuPowr extension in the system. I just copied the extension to the 
Extensions Folder and it showed as intended in the System Profiler.
You don't need the extension, as the CPU will work at its stated speed, but 
the extension enables the cache, making it a little faster, and permits 
System Profiler to see the upgraded CPU.


Thanks, H.D., that was my next question. I knew it had a cache, but wasn't 
sure if I needed to do anything to enable it. I've already put the extension 
in the Extensions folder, so I should be good to go!


Thanks for the input!

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Donna Hood Pointer]

I know OS 9 needs 64MB 	RAM and runs on G3, because I had to buy my 
daughter an extra 32MB chip to put it on her early iMac. It absolutely 
needs 64MB. Carshes the machine with 32MB.


The biggest thing I liked about OS 9 was the Software Update feature, 
which was a great improvementg over having to figure out what updates 
you needed and where they could be found. However, now all updates are 
out for OS 9. I went from System 7 to System 9. I really liked 9.


On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:32 PM, PowerBooks wrote:


Subject: Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from Richard Adams at 
"Nov 20, 5 08:38:12 am"

Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:18:59 -0800 (PST)

Thanks for the input, Cam. Does OS9 have any really compelling 
features that

would make the upgrade irresistible?



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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> Thanks for the additional input, Cam, that's very helpful. I currently have
> 8.5 on this machine (that was what came installed on it), and no
> installation CD's for 8 or 9, so I may just stick with what I've got. I may
> really need to get an 8 or 9 CD so I can format the blank hard drive that's
> now been tranplanted to a backup machine.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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El 20 nov 2005, a las 2:32 pm, PowerBooks escribió:


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Subject: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:22:07 -0600



If anyone can provide a step-by-step, I'd be most appreciative. I've 
heard
the process is pretty simple, but that doesn't mean I can intuit it 
out of

nowhere, and I want to be sure not to break/ruin anything.

Thanks for any help!

Richard (Winfidel)

BTW, How well will OS 9 run on the 1400 with 64 MB RAM and the G3 
processor?

I'm now on 8.5, but might consider upgrading. What are the main real
advantages of OS 9?

Thanks!

RA

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I once bought a 1400c on eBay ($30 + shipping) that came with a 250 MHz 
G3 upgrade.  The previous owner didn't knew because he didn't have the 
NuPowr extension in the system. I just copied the extension to the 
Extensions Folder and it showed as intended in the System Profiler.
You don't need the extension, as the CPU will work at its stated speed, 
but the extension enables the cache, making it a little faster, and 
permits System Profiler to see the upgraded CPU.


Best regards.
H.D.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

Thanks for the additional input, Cam, that's very helpful. I currently have 
8.5 on this machine (that was what came installed on it), and no 
installation CD's for 8 or 9, so I may just stick with what I've got. I may 
really need to get an 8 or 9 CD so I can format the blank hard drive that's 
now been tranplanted to a backup machine.


It's great to have this forum to get selfless, sharp help on issues, so 
thanks to both you and Dave for taking the time to help, it was invaluable. 
I am currently running on the 1400 at 233 MHz. For a $10 upgrade, that ain't 
bad!


Ciao!

Richard



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To: "PowerBooks" 
Subject: Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:18:59 -0800 (PST)

> Thanks for the input, Cam. Does OS9 have any really compelling features 
that

> would make the upgrade irresistible?

I don't know if I would call them really compelling, but 9.1 adds improved
file security, additional shortcuts in the Finder, IP-based AppleShare 
without

using AppleShareIP, improved Sherlock, Software Update control panel, and
better multiple-user support. There are also some USB enhancements, like
USB printer sharing over TCP, but this is irrelevant on a 1400, of course.

Myself, I prefer 9.1 to 8.6, but it's because I'm used to all the little
niceities. I would still upgrade to 8.6, though. 8.6's nanokernel improves
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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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> Thanks for the input, Cam. Does OS9 have any really compelling features that 
> would make the upgrade irresistible?

I don't know if I would call them really compelling, but 9.1 adds improved
file security, additional shortcuts in the Finder, IP-based AppleShare without
using AppleShareIP, improved Sherlock, Software Update control panel, and
better multiple-user support. There are also some USB enhancements, like
USB printer sharing over TCP, but this is irrelevant on a 1400, of course.

Myself, I prefer 9.1 to 8.6, but it's because I'm used to all the little
niceities. I would still upgrade to 8.6, though. 8.6's nanokernel improves
performance quite a bit.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

[Richard Adams]

Thanks for the input, Cam. Does OS9 have any really compelling features that 
would make the upgrade irresistible?


Ciao!

Winfidel



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Subject: Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:54:34 -0800 (PST)

> BTW, How well will OS 9 run on the 1400 with 64 MB RAM and the G3 
processor?

> I'm now on 8.5, but might consider upgrading.

On my 1400+G3/333 with 60MB of RAM, OS 9.1 runs very well. I would update
to 8.6 at a minimum, though, to take advantage of its bug fixes.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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> BTW, How well will OS 9 run on the 1400 with 64 MB RAM and the G3 processor? 
> I'm now on 8.5, but might consider upgrading.

On my 1400+G3/333 with 60MB of RAM, OS 9.1 runs very well. I would update
to 8.6 at a minimum, though, to take advantage of its bug fixes.

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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SNIP


When I installed a NuPowr upgrade, there was one file. You run the  install 
program with the old CPU installed, shut down, install the  new CPU and 
reboot. Very simple. Installing the CPU is as simple as  installing RAM.


The installer I used was the NUpowr 3 v1.0.0 installer. Unstuffed, it  is 
336 KB.  The Sit file was 224 KB. Do you have this one?

SNIP
Thanks for the input, Dave. I don't have that machine on, but I believe the 
SIT was about 224 KB. So I unstuff, run the install program, shut down, swap 
CPU's, and reboot? That sounds wonderfully simple!


I'm actually quite eager to try this, so I can run System Profiler and find 
out just how fast this puppy is! There seems to be nothing on it to indicate 
the actual speed.


Thanks ever so much for the input!

Best regards,

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Re: Good luck, and questions on NuPowr upgrade

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Hello,

When I installed a NuPowr upgrade, there was one file. You run the  
install program with the old CPU installed, shut down, install the  
new CPU and reboot. Very simple. Installing the CPU is as simple as  
installing RAM.


The installer I used was the NUpowr 3 v1.0.0 installer. Unstuffed, it  
is 336 KB.  The Sit file was 224 KB. Do you have this one?


David





On Nov 19, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Richard Adams wrote:


I love First (and Third) Saturdays!

For those of you not in the Dallas, TX area and unfamiliar with 1st  
and 3rd Saturday, there is a computer and electronics flea market  
every first and third Saturday of the month, in downtown Dallas.  
Third Saturday is usually far and away the smaller of the two. I  
had some things I needed to look for, so I headed down there this  
morning.


One of the unexpected treasures I got was a PowerBook 1400C. Sold  
as is, this was about the fifth 1400C I've gotten there. Average  
price is about $10 - $20 or so for them. Every one I've bought has  
been 'as-is', and every single one has worked. I got this one for  
$10 when I saw it had a CD-ROM drive. I have one PB1400 that I  
consider my 'main' machine, and one backup. I only have one CD-ROM  
between the two of them, so the machine looked like a good gamble,  
if just to salvage the CD-ROM.


And was it ever! When I plugged in the machine I got today, it  
turns on, but won't boot because the hard drive apparently has no  
OS. It brings up the disk/? icon.


My backup 1400 only has a 24 MB upgrade for a 40 MB total. When I  
opened the new machine, I was delighted to see it has 2 24 MB  
stacks, so I can cannibalize this to upgrade my backup 1400. But  
there was BETTER news.


The processor is not stock. It's a NuPowr G3! So, lessee,  
discounting the working machine itself, I got 48 MB in RAM  
upgrades, a NuPowr G3, and a CD-ROM drive, for $10! I'm going to  
consider this a good day!


Now that I'm done with the insufferable gloating, here comes the  
plea for help. I've gone to Other World Computing and downloaded  
the NuPowr files, but I have no clue of the process/procedure for  
doing the upgrade (other than I do know how to physically swap out  
the CPU's). I have the 3 downloaded files on the hard drive of the  
'main' 1400, which will now get the NuPowr. Do I have to copy these  
files to a floppy? They're SIT's, do I need to unstuff 'em first?  
At what point do I replace the CPU? Do I install the SIT files  
first, or the CPU, or does it really matter?


If anyone can provide a step-by-step, I'd be most appreciative.  
I've heard the process is pretty simple, but that doesn't mean I  
can intuit it out of nowhere, and I want to be sure not to break/ 
ruin anything.


Thanks for any help!

Richard (Winfidel)

BTW, How well will OS 9 run on the 1400 with 64 MB RAM and the G3  
processor? I'm now on 8.5, but might consider upgrading. What are  
the main real advantages of OS 9?


Thanks!

RA



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