Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
Now, why can't anyone do something like that to a 1400? Figure 16meg built in, 32meg on the bottom and a 48 stacked on top. That's 96megs without anyone making new ram. I hear it's the ROM that gives it this max, if so, why do 1400 upgrades still have this same restriction? Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Hm, Googling around for more info on PowerBook 500 upgrades, I came across this page: http://www.powerbook.org/phenix/laboratory/memory_64mb/index.html Apparently, these guys have managed to cram up to 64 MB into a Blackbird. Now I definitely have to dust off my old 'Book! ,xtG .tsooJ -- Nomen dominii habeo, ergo sum. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-19 11:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Hm, Googling around for more info on PowerBook 500 upgrades, I came across this page: http://www.powerbook.org/phenix/laboratory/memory_64mb/index.html Apparently, these guys have managed to cram up to 64 MB into a Blackbird. Now I definitely have to dust off my old 'Book! Now, why can't anyone do something like that to a 1400? Figure 16meg built in, 32meg on the bottom and a 48 stacked on top. That's 96megs without anyone making new ram. I hear it's the ROM that gives it this max, if so, why do 1400 upgrades still have this same restriction? Exactly because the limitation is the 1400's ROM, not the size of the upgrades. You can stick as much RAM into a 1400 as you want, it still will only see 64 MB. There are tricks, like using a FlashRAM PC Card for VM, but nothing, short of reverse-engineering and patching the 1400's ROM, will make it accept more than 64 MB of real RAM. ,xtG .tsooJ -- /~\ The ASCII Ribbon Campaign: \ / - No HTML/RTF in email X- No Word docs in email / \ - Respect for open standards -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-16 05:08, Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn. All this talk of 500-series PowerBooks is making me want to go to the attic and put my NetBSD running, 68040 upgraded, 90 MHz 540C back into action, instead of writing code, like I should be doing... :-P Whoa, did you say 90MHz? Do you mean 90/45 (as usual speed nomenclature for 68040s is 50/25MHz, 66/33Mhz, 80/40Mhz, core clock be 2x the bus interface) or do you mean your CPU is genuinely running at 90MHz?! If so, how'd you manage that? Even the 68060 didn't go that fast. Besides, the '040 doesn't support clock multipliers like the PowerPC, so you'd also need a 90MHz bus to run a 90MHz CPU (all '040 macs run 1:1) Okay, I should explain. It is indeed, as you said, running at 90/45 Mhz. Less, even, but I like to round things in my favour. :-P It should be noted that the 68040's clock input runs at 2x the actual speed of the CPU, hence the dual speed nomenclature. A 66/33MHz 68040 is really only a 33MHz part. I know. I just list it as 90 MHz to get a *wow* effect... I also still say the CRT monitor I use at work is a 17 one, even though it only shows 15.8 inches of true screen real estate. Still, intriguing. I'll bet you clocked your bus to 45MHz with a 80/40MHz 68040 installed. ;-) That's exactly it. The process is pretty much outlined here: http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/520_Fixes/520__540.htm Although I would recommend that you don't try to unsolder the old 68LC040; instead just take a very sharp knife and cut off its legs. The old part is useless anyhow, and you'll be less likely to destroy any circuit traces by heating them for too long with a soldering iron. I used to work at a place where we used QFP 68040's in production, and I can assure you we didn't pay $216 a piece for them! And I didn't pay anything for mine... It was pretty much old stock they were getting rid of. I did get to use their nifty hot-air SMD soldering equipment, although the job could just as well be done with a very fine-tipped soldering iron. Overclocking is done by replacing the oscillator crystal on the daughter card with a 20-22.5 MHz part. 22.5 MHz results in the maximum speed of 90/45 MHz, but you might want to go a little lower if you get freezes and crashes. Basic info is here: http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/mhz.html I seem to remember there was more elaboration on how to do it on the 500 series, but that may have been on another site. It's a long time ago, memory is fussy on those things. I did it after moving up to a 1400, and I am now on an iBook which is about to be replaced by a 12 AluBook... So I haven't given the matter much thought lately. I seem to recall Sonnet at one time selling 80/40 MHz 68040 upgrades for the 500 series... Can anyone confirm this, or was I dreaming at the time? I can's imagine they sold a whole lot of those, since the PPC upgrades were available too, by that time, but it would have made sense... After all, the 840AV (80/40 68040, fastest 68K Mac ever) was faster than the early PowerMacs when running 68K code. ,xtG .tsooJ -- 0001011001110101 01110111001001100101 01100100011101010110110101100010 -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
Still, intriguing. I'll bet you clocked your bus to 45MHz with a 80/40MHz 68040 installed. ;-) That's exactly it. The process is pretty much outlined here: http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/520_Fixes/520__540.htm Although I would recommend that you don't try to unsolder the old 68LC040; instead just take a very sharp knife and cut off its legs. The old part is useless anyhow, and you'll be less likely to destroy any circuit traces by heating them for too long with a soldering iron. Actually, using ChipQuik, its really easy to desolder. I used to work at a place where we used QFP 68040's in production, and I can assure you we didn't pay $216 a piece for them! And I didn't pay anything for mine... It was pretty much old stock they were getting rid of. I did get to use their nifty hot-air SMD soldering equipment, although the job could just as well be done with a very fine-tipped soldering iron. I dont suppose you have a stash of these left over ? : ) Overclocking is done by replacing the oscillator crystal on the daughter card with a 20-22.5 MHz part. 22.5 MHz results in the maximum speed of 90/45 MHz, but you might want to go a little lower if you get freezes and crashes. Basic info is here: http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/mhz.html I seem to remember there was more elaboration on how to do it on the 500 series, but that may have been on another site. It's a long time ago, memory is fussy on those things. I did it after moving up to a 1400, and I am now on an iBook which is about to be replaced by a 12 AluBook... So I haven't given the matter much thought lately. Thats what I do. The replacemenr oscillators can be had from digikey.com for a few $. I seem to recall Sonnet at one time selling 80/40 MHz 68040 upgrades for the 500 series... Can anyone confirm this, or was I dreaming at the time? I DOesnt ring a bell. They did sell the quad doubler which was a 50 MHz clocked part for desktop machines. I wonder if that is a CQFP part ? can's imagine they sold a whole lot of those, since the PPC upgrades were available too, by that time, but it would have made sense... After all, the 840AV (80/40 68040, fastest 68K Mac ever) was faster than the early PowerMacs when running 68K code. ,xtG .tsooJ Mad Dog -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
Hm, Googling around for more info on PowerBook 500 upgrades, I came across this page: http://www.powerbook.org/phenix/laboratory/memory_64mb/index.html Apparently, these guys have managed to cram up to 64 MB into a Blackbird. Now I definitely have to dust off my old 'Book! ,xtG .tsooJ -- Nomen dominii habeo, ergo sum. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-17 18:44, Tom Lisa P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to work at a place where we used QFP 68040's in production, and I can assure you we didn't pay $216 a piece for them! And I didn't pay anything for mine... It was pretty much old stock they were getting rid of. I did get to use their nifty hot-air SMD soldering equipment, although the job could just as well be done with a very fine-tipped soldering iron. I dont suppose you have a stash of these left over ? : ) I don't suppose so, either, and I haven't been 'round there in ages. They hardly used them back then anymore, even. Overclocking is done by replacing the oscillator crystal on the daughter card with a 20-22.5 MHz part. 22.5 MHz results in the maximum speed of 90/45 MHz, but you might want to go a little lower if you get freezes and crashes. Basic info is here: http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/mhz.html Thats what I do. The replacemenr oscillators can be had from digikey.com for a few $. Yup. Or any other well-stocked electronics outlet. To any aspiring PB500-upclockers: get more than one, you could be lucky and have yours work right away at 90/45 MHz, but chances are you'll need to step down to get a stable system. You don't want to be ordering parts every time you find it you have to go lower still to make it work right. Just get the entire range from 20-22.5 and ask for a discount, or ask if you can return any unused parts for a refund. Or make earrings out of them. I seem to recall Sonnet at one time selling 80/40 MHz 68040 upgrades for the 500 series... Can anyone confirm this, or was I dreaming at the time? I DOesnt ring a bell. They did sell the quad doubler which was a 50 MHz clocked part for desktop machines. I wonder if that is a CQFP part ? Nope: http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/quad_doubler/quad_doubler_ 50.html ,xtG .tsooJ -- Nomen dominii habeo, ergo sum. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
DOesnt ring a bell. They did sell the quad doubler which was a 50 MHz clocked part for desktop machines. I wonder if that is a CQFP part ? Nope: http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/quad_doubler/quad_doubler_ 50.html ,xtG .tsooJ -- Nomen dominii habeo, ergo sum. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ There MUST be something out these using CQFP parts ! Did any sparcstations use 68K ? Routers ? Mad Dog -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
? Nope: http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/quad_doubler/quad_doubler_ 50.html ,xtG .tsooJ -- Nomen dominii habeo, ergo sum. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ How about NeXT stations ? did they use CQFP parts ? Mad DOg -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-17 19:01, Tom Lisa P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about NeXT stations ? did they use CQFP parts ? Hm, could be... http://www.black-cube.net/NeXT/?cat=cat_1025269357picture=image_1025271219 Don't be fooled by that big chip in the front, doesn't look like that's the CPU... ,xtG .tsooJ -- Nomen dominii habeo, ergo sum. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-17 19:29, Joost van de Griek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2003-02-17 19:01, Tom Lisa P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about NeXT stations ? did they use CQFP parts ? Hm, could be... http://www.black-cube.net/NeXT/?cat=cat_1025269357picture=image_1025271219 Don't be fooled by that big chip in the front, doesn't look like that's the CPU... Whoops... Found better pictures of NeXT motherboards: http://www.channelu.com/Turbo/NeXT/station.html The big chip in the front isn't the CPU, indeed... The big chip in the back, under the heat sink, is. And it's a 68040RC, the PGA version. ,xtG .tsooJ -- There are only 10 kinds of people in this world: Those that understand binary, and those that don't. -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
OK, so it has been established that a naked battpack will fry. I just downloaded the Intelligent Battery software from Apple. Should I recondition my existing battpack before I swap the cells out, after I swap, or both? Is there a good way to crack open the battery case so that it can be (superglued?) put back together reasonably? Sorry, I'm just a silly newb at the whole PB 500 line. -- Alan O'Neil, Super Genius! (just kidding) My dual-monitor Mac cost over $8,000 new! HAH! -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
snip I used to work at a place where we used QFP 68040's in production, and I can assure you we didn't pay $216 a piece for them! And I didn't pay anything for mine... It was pretty much old stock they were getting rid of. snip And what might these production things be? Do they now cost a reasonable amount of money to justify busting one open to steal the 040? -- Alan O'Neil, Super Genius! (just kidding) My dual-monitor Mac cost over $8,000 new! HAH! -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
Damn. All this talk of 500-series PowerBooks is making me want to go to the attic and put my NetBSD running, 68040 upgraded, 90 MHz 540C back into action, instead of writing code, like I should be doing... :-P ,xtG .tsooJ Whoa, did you say 90MHz? Do you mean 90/45 (as usual speed nomenclature for 68040s is 50/25MHz, 66/33Mhz, 80/40Mhz, core clock be 2x the bus interface) or do you mean your CPU is genuinely running at 90MHz?! If so, how'd you manage that? Even the 68060 didn't go that fast. Besides, the '040 doesn't support clock multipliers like the PowerPC, so you'd also need a 90MHz bus to run a 90MHz CPU (all '040 macs run 1:1) It should be noted that the 68040's clock input runs at 2x the actual speed of the CPU, hence the dual speed nomenclature. A 66/33MHz 68040 is really only a 33MHz part. Still, intriguing. I'll bet you clocked your bus to 45MHz with a 80/40MHz 68040 installed. ;-) Peace, Drew More importantly, where did he get a CQFP 40 MHz part ? Mad Dog -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Tom Lisa P wrote: It should be noted that the 68040's clock input runs at 2x the actual speed of the CPU, hence the dual speed nomenclature. A 66/33MHz 68040 is really only a 33MHz part. Still, intriguing. I'll bet you clocked your bus to 45MHz with a 80/40MHz 68040 installed. ;-) Peace, Drew More importantly, where did he get a CQFP 40 MHz part ? Motorla still has them but they're expensive. You can buy them online from the IIRC for: *checks* MC68040FE40A - $216.00 http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MC68040nodeId=018rH3YTLC4622 That's more than the cost of a PPC upgrade but you can always find these whereas you'd be lucky to find the PPC card. Mike Hebel -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 12:18 pm, (PowerBooks) wrote: Damn. All this talk of 500-series PowerBooks is making me want to go to the attic and put my NetBSD running, 68040 upgraded, 90 MHz 540C back into action, instead of writing code, like I should be doing... :-P OK, what have you done to get one running like that? JSH -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Damn. All this talk of 500-series PowerBooks is making me want to go to the attic and put my NetBSD running, 68040 upgraded, 90 MHz 540C back into action, instead of writing code, like I should be doing... :-P ,xtG .tsooJ Whoa, did you say 90MHz? Do you mean 90/45 (as usual speed nomenclature for 68040s is 50/25MHz, 66/33Mhz, 80/40Mhz, core clock be 2x the bus interface) or do you mean your CPU is genuinely running at 90MHz?! If so, how'd you manage that? Even the 68060 didn't go that fast. Besides, the '040 doesn't support clock multipliers like the PowerPC, so you'd also need a 90MHz bus to run a 90MHz CPU (all '040 macs run 1:1) It should be noted that the 68040's clock input runs at 2x the actual speed of the CPU, hence the dual speed nomenclature. A 66/33MHz 68040 is really only a 33MHz part. Still, intriguing. I'll bet you clocked your bus to 45MHz with a 80/40MHz 68040 installed. ;-) Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Want to know if your neighbor has Wi-Fi? Find out with ClassicStumbler! http://homepage.mac.com/alk/classicstumbler/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
Andrew Kershaw wrote: Damn. All this talk of 500-series PowerBooks is making me want to go to the attic and put my NetBSD running, 68040 upgraded, 90 MHz 540C back into action, instead of writing code, like I should be doing... :-P ,xtG .tsooJ Whoa, did you say 90MHz? Do you mean 90/45 (as usual speed nomenclature for 68040s is 50/25MHz, 66/33Mhz, 80/40Mhz, core clock be 2x the bus interface) or do you mean your CPU is genuinely running at 90MHz?! If so, how'd you manage that? Even the 68060 didn't go that fast. Besides, the '040 doesn't support clock multipliers like the PowerPC, so you'd also need a 90MHz bus to run a 90MHz CPU (all '040 macs run 1:1) It should be noted that the 68040's clock input runs at 2x the actual speed of the CPU, hence the dual speed nomenclature. A 66/33MHz 68040 is really only a 33MHz part. Still, intriguing. I'll bet you clocked your bus to 45MHz with a 80/40MHz 68040 installed. ;-) I'd like answers on this also as I have a spare lc040 board for my 540c that I can experiment with. A How-To would be good! Mike Hebel -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-14 00:23, cyber corsair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I wanted info ont the type PPC CPU the can be used in the 520c as I under stand it can be uped to a 603e the same as the one in the 2300c. If this so I have access to a cheap supplus of powerbooks from a local store here in the Sacrameto area. Well, yes and no... Yes, there were upgrades made for the 500 series that used PPC603 CPUs, like the 100 MHz upgrade card from Apple and the 100 and 117 MHz cards from Newer. But that doesn't mean you can scavenge any old 603 CPU and just stick it in; you'll need a bona fide PowerBook 500-series CPU daughter card. ,xtG .tsooJ -- 0001011001110101 01110111001001100101 01100100011101010110110101100010 -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
On 2003-02-14 14:10, Dan Palka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just going to say I could have sworn I saw upgrades that were over 150mhz, like 166mhz or 175mhz or something. I spent a whole good 3 hours searching for PPC upgrdades for my 520 just a few days ago and I kept running into those. But they weren't made by apple. I am pretty sure I saw those (166 MHz cards) advertised in MacWorld, circa 1996/1997, but I wasn't 100% sure when I posted my info, so I thought I'd better stick to what I'm certain of. If anyone made those, it was NewerTECH. They had plans to even make G3 upgrades for the 500 series, but those were foiled by the fact that Apple had ordered the moulds for the (custom) connector used to connect the CPU (and RAM) board to the motherboard (more of a backplane, really) destroyed, because the seemingly endless upgrade potential of the 500 series was becoming a threat to their PowerBook sales. ,xtG .tsooJ -- /~\ The ASCII Ribbon Campaign: \ / - No HTML/RTF in email X- No Word docs in email / \ - Respect for open standards -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
At 7:10 AM -0600 2/14/03, Dan Palka wrote: I was just going to say I could have sworn I saw upgrades that were over 150mhz, like 166mhz or 175mhz or something. I spent a whole good 3 hours searching for PPC upgrdades for my 520 just a few days ago and I kept running into those. But they weren't made by apple. 167 and 183 from Newer, variable amounts of RAM, from 0 to 8 MB. Paul -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Powerbook 520c CPU Upgrade info need
In a message dated 2/14/03 5:34:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 167 and 183 from Newer, variable amounts of RAM, from 0 to 8 MB. 117 MHz, also, with a 3.5 multiplier. 166 MHz, with a 5 multiplier. 183 MHz, with a 5.5 multiplier. I've never seen a 133 MHz (4 multiplier) or a 150 MHz (4.5 multiplier), but these are theoretically possible. The rare ones are the ones with 4 or 8 MB of ram. Unless you install the Newer Technology INIT, all will apparently come up as 117 MHz. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
