Re: PB 1400cs CD-ROM Module Not Working? FIXED

[Fred Stevens K2FRD]

At 22:09 -0400 27/10/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 10/27/05 7:00:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>If the system CD is "home brewed," are you sure it is not just an install cd,
>w/o any OS of its own on the cd?

Is an Apple-created CD.

>
>One thing I try in these situations is the tried & true PRAM zap; sometimes
>it makes an unbootable cd-rom boot, for me at least.

One of the half-dozen or so 1400 sites I had checked out suggested a PRAM zap 
was a last resort.

>
>Okay, correct me if I am wrong listers, but you cannot swap any devices on
>the powerbook 1400 while it is on, can you? You have to swap the cd-rom/floppy
>modules while the laptop is sleep or off.

That's correct. All sorts of nasty message windows pop up threatening the 
offender with doom and gloom. I tried it anyway with no success.
>
>Did you try copying the disk tools system folder to your untitled HD?

Yes, it was one of the first fixes I tried, but it wouldn't copy to its own 
desktop unless I were to unlock the floppy which I was unwilling to do since it 
was the only means I had at the time to actually boot up the computer.
>
>Yes, you would have to either find a ethernet pc card or something, but
>nothing can be done until you get your 1400 up and running an OS.

I may still buy an ethernet card for the PB 1400cs. It's a solid machine, has a 
good reputation on various sites including Low End Mac, and is upgradeable. 
After I've got the bugs worked out, I'll decide how I'm gonna use it. And it's 
a lot easier to network two Macs rather than burn a CD on one to read on the 
other.

>
>Finally, as a last resort, you could see if anyone locally could assist you.

I'm so far out in the boonies of Arizona that the nearest other computer of any 
kind is probably 25 miles away. I'm a fulltime RVer at a tiny RV boondocking 
park in the middle of the desert using a portable tripod-mounted Direcway 
satellite internet system.

I want to thank everyone for ideas and suggestions. After I posted my message, 
I played around with the PowerBook some more. As a ham radio operator of many 
years, it occurred to me that maybe I just had a bad connection at the back of 
the CD-ROM module; I seemed to have been getting intermittent connection. So, I 
slid the module in and out a few times (it uses a different connector in its 
rear than does the floppy module) to polish up the contacts. I suddenly had a 
solid electrical contact, the PB recognized the CD-ROM drive, opened the CD, 
but quit after a few minutes. A little more sliding in and out and I had a 
solid connection and was able to install  OS 7.5.3 (not enough RAM for 8.6 or 
other 8.x or 9.x). I now have an operational PB 1400cs. I even installed 
ClarisWorks 4 (ho boy, I have worked with CL in years!).

BTW, I now have a fairly complete library of PB 1400 websites.

Thanks all!

Fred

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Re: PB 1400cs CD-ROM Module Not Working?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> Okay, correct me if I am wrong listers, but you cannot swap any devices on 
> the powerbook 1400 while it is on, can you? You have to swap the cd-rom/
> floppy modules while the laptop is sleep or off.

Correct. Hot-swapping on the 1400 == bad. Sleep it first.

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Re: PB 1400cs CD-ROM Module Not Working?

[GalBros]

In a message dated 10/27/05 7:00:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>My problem started when the PB arrived and I found the 
>previous owner had initialized the hard drive, so no operating 
>system. He had included a 7.5.3 system CD, but there was no CD-ROM 
>module. 

If the system CD is "home brewed," are you sure it is not just an install cd, 
w/o any OS of its own on the cd?

>So, I bought a 1400 6X CD-ROM off eBay so I could install an 
>OS. Removal of the floppy and insertion of the  CD-ROM drive was 
>simple, but when I boot up the PB using cmd-opt-shift-del for the 
>CD-ROM (the 1400 doesn't use the standard Mac "C" key command 
>although I tried this also) while turning the PB on doesn't work: 
>the drive's amber light blinks, I can hear the CD spool up, but the 
>screen shows only a floppy icon with a "?" in it. It does this for 
>about three minutes, then turns itself off. The machine included a 
>boot disk with 7.5.3 which works fine, but that's as far as I can 
>get. 

One thing I try in these situations is the tried & true PRAM zap; sometimes 
it makes an unbootable cd-rom boot, for me at least.

>I've tried removing the floppy drive after the PB is powered up 
>and replacing it with the CD-ROM drive, but all I get is nasty 
>windows stating I better replace the floppy drive or else. I am 
>assured by the seller of the CD-ROM module that it works.

Okay, correct me if I am wrong listers, but you cannot swap any devices on 
the powerbook 1400 while it is on, can you? You have to swap the cd-rom/floppy 
modules while the laptop is sleep or off.

>I tried copying the disk tools floppy to the desktop, but this didn't 
>work. In fact, I went into the disk tools floppy looking for 
>something (control panels, preferences, start up) which would do 
>anything. I ran Disk First Aid and it came up OK for the untitled 
>hard drive.

Did you try copying the disk tools system folder to your untitled HD?

>Networking with my iBook would be nice, but there isn't a single port 
>in common with the two machines; I do not like the idea of buying yet 
>more adaptors, cables (the PB came with various serial and SCSI 
>cables and adaptors), nor PC cards when I am not at all certain they 
>will work any better than the CD-ROM. I checked eBay and there are NO 
>operating system installations for 7.x nor 8.x on floppies (plenty on 
>CDs).

Yes, you would have to either find a ethernet pc card or something, but 
nothing can be done until you get your 1400 up and running an OS.

>Any suggestions or workarounds to either get the CD-ROM module to 
>work or to get an operating system onto this PowerBook or for 
>troubleshooting? I've researched the LEM site and didn't find any 
>hints.

First, I would try starting up the 1400 with the cd-rom installed, and zap 
the PRAM. Then, see if it sees the cd-rom (assuming the cd-rom has an OS on it, 
as discussed previously.

Failing that, you could put a copy of the boot floppy's system folder on the 
HD of the 1400, but I am doubtful it would see the cd-rom.

Finally, as a last resort, you could see if anyone locally could assist you.

Good luck,

Ivy F.

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Re: PB 1400cs CD-ROM Module Not Working?

[Ed Gibson]

Apple has OS 7.5.3 Posted on its site in floppy image format. If you can find 
someone close that can access the apple site you can download the 17 floppy 
set. I have it but don't remember exactually where you go on their site to find 
it but I'm sure someone on the list can tell you...

Good luck, ED

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Re: PB 1400cs CD-ROM Module Not Working?

[Tom and Lisa P]

I just purchased off eBay a PowerBook 1400cs with a floppy drive 
module; I have some old financial records on floppies and I need to 
access them, but my iBook 900 won't do it and can't be easily made 
to do it. My problem started when the PB arrived and I found the 
previous owner had initialized the hard drive, so no operating 
system. He had included a 7.5.3 system CD, but there was no CD-ROM 
module. So, I bought a 1400 6X CD-ROM off eBay so I could install an 
OS. Removal of the floppy and insertion of the  CD-ROM drive was 
simple, but when I boot up the PB using cmd-opt-shift-del for the 
CD-ROM (the 1400 doesn't use the standard Mac "C" key command 
although I tried this also) while turning the PB on doesn't work: 
the drive's amber light blinks, I can hear the CD spool up, but the 
screen shows only a floppy icon with a "?" in it. It does this for 
about three minutes, then turns itself off. The machine included a 
boot disk with 7.5.3 which works fine, but that's as far as I can 
get. I've tried removing the floppy drive after the PB is powered up 
and replacing it with the CD-ROM drive, but all I get is nasty 
windows stating I better replace the floppy drive or else. I am 
assured by the seller of the CD-ROM module that it works.


I tried copying the disk tools floppy to the desktop, but this 
didn't work. In fact, I went into the disk tools floppy looking for 
something (control panels, preferences, start up) which would do 
anything. I ran Disk First Aid and it came up OK for the untitled 
hard drive.


Networking with my iBook would be nice, but there isn't a single 
port in common with the two machines; I do not like the idea of 
buying yet more adaptors, cables (the PB came with various serial 
and SCSI cables and adaptors), nor PC cards when I am not at all 
certain they will work any better than the CD-ROM. I checked eBay 
and there are NO operating system installations for 7.x nor 8.x on 
floppies (plenty on CDs).


Any suggestions or workarounds to either get the CD-ROM module to 
work or to get an operating system onto this PowerBook or for 
troubleshooting? I've researched the LEM site and didn't find any 
hints.


This may or may not help you:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/gionpeters//pb1400.htm

Mad Dog

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Re: PB 1400cs CD-ROM Module Not Working?

[Gerald Abreu]

Someone with more knowledge may have a better answer, but I think you  
can boot from the floppy then make a ram disk, copy over the system  
from the floppy and boot from the ram disk and then maybe install the  
cd operating system. YMMV, and good luck.





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