Re: Plugging into LAN printer

[Brian]

>OK, but where is it? If it can share files, so can the Mac, of course.

Umm actually no, but sorta, depending on HOW you want it to access the mac
files, and the Mac to access IT's files.  Just because one can see the
other's sharing doesn't mean the converse (I've not played much with XP Pro
though so maybe it's Appletalk services work both ways- I doubt though.  OS
X, I think would work, but not 8.6.  Someone can chime in here who has used
both).  But other ways to login to Windows sharing methods that I've used,
only work one way (the Mac could use Novell network shares for example but
that does NOT mean that the novell networked PC could access stuff on my
appletalk'd Mac...).

>don't have to print from the PB 1400, I can print from the PC as long as it
>can access the files on the PB 1400 through the ethernet connection.

Well if this works for you perhaps just put Netpresenz or Crushftp on the
1400 and serve them to the XP via ftp.  Or run a ftp server on the XP
machine and an ftp client on the 1400 to talk to the XP box (if the XP box
is on a cable or DSL modem be careful which ftpd you pick, though).

B



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Re: Plugging into LAN printer

[Brian]

>>I have a Compaq PC with an ethernet card running Windows XP with a parallel
>>printer. I want to access the printer with my PB 1400c, OS 8.6, Global
>>Village PC card with an ethernet dongle.
>>
>>Can this be done?
>
>Sorry to burst your bubble, but probably not.
>
>Services for Macintosh is only available on Win XP Pro (correct?),
>and you probably have XP Home.  Mostly it just provides access to the
>file sharing capabilities of a windows server so that AppleShare
>clients can access shared files.
>

Although, "Desktop Printer Utility" for Mac will support Windows networked
(ethernet, not appletalk) lpr printers.  If you go thru the Chooser you
won't see the lpr option , but if you use the aforementioned thing you can
specify network printers on the Windows network.

It still has to be a postscript printer, so most smearjets won't work this way.

It might be a DAVE printer utility renamed; they have it set up at work and
it does work jsut fine; I have an older version of DAVE at home and don't
recall the print utility  being named that, but at work they use DAVE 4.0
for the macs to access the windows fileshares, so maybe it's the DAVE
network printing doing the magic.  I'll check.  I confess I don't use the
macs much at work at present.
I'm sure it's got OS 8.6 though and I know it's printing via lpr.   I
*know* it's not happening thru any Appletalk type sharing- the printers
have no Appletalk services IDs or anything.

But IF you have a nice postscript printer and IF you want to put DAVE
client on your mac, I'm sure there's a way to share the printer via XP that
the Mac would be able to access at least via DAVE, even if not by some free
Apple interface.  DAVE would certainly be cheaper than buying a second
laser printer.

If you are printing to one printer from multiple computers with any
frequesncy a nice pays for itself pretty quickly, IMO.  Those cartridges
add up fast.

Brian



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Re: Plugging into LAN printer

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

**
Thanks Drew,

> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:21:59 -0700
> From: Andrew Kershaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Plugging into LAN printer
> 
>> I have a Compaq PC with an ethernet card running Windows XP with a parallel
>> printer. I want to access the printer with my PB 1400c, OS 8.6, Global
>> Village PC card with an ethernet dongle.
>> 
>> Can this be done?
> 
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but probably not.
--
That's not what I want to hear.
-- 
> Services for Macintosh is only available on Win XP Pro (correct?),
> and you probably have XP Home.
--
No, XP Pro.
--
> Mostly it just provides access to the
> file sharing capabilities of a windows server so that AppleShare
> clients can access shared files.
--
OK, but where is it? If it can share files, so can the Mac, of course. I
don't have to print from the PB 1400, I can print from the PC as long as it
can access the files on the PB 1400 through the ethernet connection.
--
> Assuming your XP machine is set up to share the printer, you'd still
> need the correct printer driver on your 1400.
--
That's as expected, and not bloody likely.
--
> I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
(SNIP)
> never bothered to write the drivers for them.  Parallel port printers are
usually in this category (not to mention that Macs don't have parallel
ports).
--
This we know, because Mac at one time was interested a lot in selling
printers, which is, of course, no longer true.

I guess I should just break down and buy a new high quality color printer
which will work on the network.

Thanks again,

Ken N.


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Re: Plugging into LAN printer

[John Smith]

It is completely possible, but you might need to spend a bit of money, or
have no qualms about using a 'stolen' serial number...
PC MacLan is a brilliant program I am using on a WinXP box, which allows
file and printer sharing. I can access the windows hard drives (even the zip
drive) from the various Macs in the house, using AppleTalk.

Anyway, you can set it up such that your Mac prints to the the PC, because
the PC in in fact emulating a PostScript Printer. It takes the postscript
file and saves it in a specific folder. A THIRD program entitled "ghost
script" then takes the PS file and prints it out. Sounds complex, but works
like a charm. If you can get your Mac to share files on the XP box without
MacLan (Mac services or something) then you don't need to spend a cent. Just
download Ghost script (freeware) and then whenever you go to print, save as
a postscript file in the specified folder on the PC.

Hope some of this helps.


On 28/1/03 6:21 AM, "Andrew Kershaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I have a Compaq PC with an ethernet card running Windows XP with a parallel
>> printer. I want to access the printer with my PB 1400c, OS 8.6, Global
>> Village PC card with an ethernet dongle.
>> 
>> Can this be done?
> 
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but probably not.
> 
> Services for Macintosh is only available on Win XP Pro (correct?),
> and you probably have XP Home.  Mostly it just provides access to the
> file sharing capabilities of a windows server so that AppleShare
> clients can access shared files.
> 
> Assuming your XP machine is set up to share the printer, you'd still
> need the correct printer driver on your 1400.  I'm guessing that the
> printer is not a LaserWriter clone, so LaserWriter 8 won't work for
> you.  Still, you might try checking out the printer manufacturer's
> website and seeing if you can find drivers for the printer that will
> work for your setup...  HP and QMS(?) made network laser printers
> that could be accessed with a Mac.
> 
> I wouldn't hold my breath, though.  Most PC-centric printers that
> aren't network ready out of the box (aka network laser printers)
> won't work with Macs when "shared" by a Windows machine.  Heck, half
> the time they won't even support a direct Mac-to-Printer connection
> for their printers, having never bothered to write the drivers for
> them.  Parallel port printers are usually in this category (not to
> mention that Macs don't have parallel ports).
> 
> Peace,
> Drew


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Re: Plugging into LAN printer

[Andrew Kershaw]

>I have a Compaq PC with an ethernet card running Windows XP with a parallel
>printer. I want to access the printer with my PB 1400c, OS 8.6, Global
>Village PC card with an ethernet dongle.
>
>Can this be done?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but probably not.

Services for Macintosh is only available on Win XP Pro (correct?), 
and you probably have XP Home.  Mostly it just provides access to the 
file sharing capabilities of a windows server so that AppleShare 
clients can access shared files.

Assuming your XP machine is set up to share the printer, you'd still 
need the correct printer driver on your 1400.  I'm guessing that the 
printer is not a LaserWriter clone, so LaserWriter 8 won't work for 
you.  Still, you might try checking out the printer manufacturer's 
website and seeing if you can find drivers for the printer that will 
work for your setup...  HP and QMS(?) made network laser printers 
that could be accessed with a Mac.

I wouldn't hold my breath, though.  Most PC-centric printers that 
aren't network ready out of the box (aka network laser printers) 
won't work with Macs when "shared" by a Windows machine.  Heck, half 
the time they won't even support a direct Mac-to-Printer connection 
for their printers, having never bothered to write the drivers for 
them.  Parallel port printers are usually in this category (not to 
mention that Macs don't have parallel ports).

Peace,
Drew

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