Re: localtalk and phone lines?
Which is a pain, if you happen to have (like I do) a phonenet connecter that is hardwired to the 2 inner sets of wires. DOH! must be ancient. However, Radio Shack (grimice) or your trusty electronics store sells a tool that allows you to rewire the connecter on a phone line. By putting a new end on and turning a standard line into the PhoneNet line you need. That item should solve many problems. joseph -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 07:59 AM 8/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: However, Radio Shack (grimice) or your trusty electronics store sells a tool that allows you to rewire the connecter on a phone line. By putting a new end on and turning a standard line into the PhoneNet line you need. There are also small boxes called Swappers that will cross over phone lines to the other pair. Probably easier than rewiring the thing, but it's up to you :) Scott Holder -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
It works! Hooray! But not all is so good... I forgot in my excitement that MacIP over LocalTalk is not supported in Mac OS 9.x :-( So I got the LocalTalk/PhoneNet/AppleTalk network working over my phone lines, and I can trade files and all that. But go figure, IPNetRouter can't serve up MacIP traffic to my Duo over PhoneNet because Apple disabled MacIP over LocalTalk in OS 9! Bah humbug. And I'm not going to back my Wallstreet down from 9.2 just to run MacIP... What a shame. I've got a handful of desktop Macs running 8.x, but they can't be on 24/7 because of the noise, heat, and power draw. I've got a headless 5300cs (display cable broke when I was screwing around with it too much) that I suppose I could configure to boot into IPNetRouter and do all the routing for me - it runs 8.5. But I can't configure the HD yet, no display and all that, and no external video either... When my 5300ce gets here, I'll swap HDs, set up the software, replace HDs, boot up the 5300cs and tell you all how it works. Thanks for all the help! Everything works great - better than I expected even (except for the MacIP stuff). I'm going to go play with my Duo now, and set it up running a non-stop slide show of black and white Calvin Hobbes comic strips... ;-) Tee hee... Peace out! Drew P.S. - RadioShack didn't have any 120ohm resistors... I bought some 100ohm and 22ohm resistors and wired them in series for 122ohms total. The alternative was to wire two 100 and 22 ohm resistors in parallel for ~18ohm equivalent resistance, then wire another 100ohm resistor in series for ~118ohms, but I figured 122ohm would be fine, required less work, and uses few parts. Works fine. ;-) Besides, w/ 5% tolerance on 100ohms, ... well, it's good enough for government work, eh? heh -- Having graduated (with a physics BS :-P), I will be using the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please update your address book. http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Anyone can fly, all you have to do is throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've done it. LocalTalk runs on a spare set of wires (not connected to the phone company. It connects using the outer pair in a standard phone jack (RJ-11). I thought that LocalTalk required 4-conductor wire... Curious. So it really only requires 2 wires? I guess that explains why it doesn't work with all those 2 wire telephone wires (inner conductors only) - I've never seen wire with only the 2 outer conductors... That will be a problem. Trying to use LocalTalk and a dial up connection simultaneously doesn't work well. Like you said, I'd be using ethernet and a broadband connection (namely, a WiFi hot spot -- I've already got that set up, so it's not a problem to share). If you don't mind my asking, could you tell me some particulars of what you set up w/ your home's pre-existing phone lines? I'm concerned about the network topology. Traditional LocalTalk via phonenet is a bus or daisy-chain network. Going to this setup would be similar to a star or hub-based network without the hub. Will AppleTalk be intelligent enough to figure it out? Also, are the terminators still required? I wanted to use RJ-11 jack for both data and phone - pass the phone line on through the PhoneNet adapter... No room for the terminator in that scenario... Finally, I don't have any terminators ;-) I understand they are easy enough to fabricate if you know what kind of resistor is required... Can anyone help me out there? Thanks for all the help! Peace, Drew -- Having graduated (with a physics BS :-P), I will be using the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please update your address book. http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Anyone can fly, all you have to do is throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 9:18 AM -0600 8/18/02, Andrew Kershaw wrote: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've done it. LocalTalk runs on a spare set of wires (not connected to the phone company. It connects using the outer pair in a standard phone jack (RJ-11). I thought that LocalTalk required 4-conductor wire... Curious. So it really only requires 2 wires? I guess that explains why it doesn't work with all those 2 wire telephone wires (inner conductors only) - I've never seen wire with only the 2 outer conductors... That will be a problem. Trying to use LocalTalk and a dial up connection simultaneously doesn't work well. Like you said, I'd be using ethernet and a broadband connection (namely, a WiFi hot spot -- I've already got that set up, so it's not a problem to share). If you don't mind my asking, could you tell me some particulars of what you set up w/ your home's pre-existing phone lines? I'm concerned about the network topology. Traditional LocalTalk via phonenet is a bus or daisy-chain network. Going to this setup would be similar to a star or hub-based network without the hub. Will AppleTalk be intelligent enough to figure it out? Also, are the terminators still required? I wanted to use RJ-11 jack for both data and phone - pass the phone line on through the PhoneNet adapter... No room for the terminator in that scenario... LocalTalk is fairly tolerant of improper configuration. It's a bus topology by nature but can be configured as a star. Farallon (the original makers of PhoneNet) use to include a booklet that detailed several ways of hooking up the network. If you wire it as a star then terminate the two longest legs (cable length of course). Do this by wiring a 120 ohm resistor across the LocalTalk pair on the phone jack in the wall. The booklet also listed methods for maximum lengths but for normal use in a home don't worry about it. My house was originally wired with 6 pairs run from outlet to outlet so it was easy for me to use a pair for LocalTalk and add the terminating resistors at the end. Finally, I don't have any terminators ;-) I understand they are easy enough to fabricate if you know what kind of resistor is required... Can anyone help me out there? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
I used LocalTalk connectors and my house phone wiring to network four Macs for file and print sharing. I had a single telephone line that used the middle pair of the phone wiring so the outer pair was not connected to the phone network. I used a simple phone line splitter where I needed both an phone and LocalTalk connected to a single jack. Only the LocalTalk was terminated. My network was a straight line bus topology. I understood that a star topology required different hardware like a Farallon StarRouter. I also thought that standard LocalTalk does not work for TCP/IP. My current machines all run Ethernet with RJ-45 but I still have a StarRouter to set up eventually to get the Classics connected. Dennis in Buffalo Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've done it. LocalTalk runs on a spare set of wires (not connected to the phone company. It connects using the outer pair in a standard phone jack (RJ-11). I thought that LocalTalk required 4-conductor wire... Curious. So it really only requires 2 wires? I guess that explains why it doesn't work with all those 2 wire telephone wires (inner conductors only) - I've never seen wire with only the 2 outer conductors... That will be a problem. Trying to use LocalTalk and a dial up connection simultaneously doesn't work well. Like you said, I'd be using ethernet and a broadband connection (namely, a WiFi hot spot -- I've already got that set up, so it's not a problem to share). If you don't mind my asking, could you tell me some particulars of what you set up w/ your home's pre-existing phone lines? I'm concerned about the network topology. Traditional LocalTalk via phonenet is a bus or daisy-chain network. Going to this setup would be similar to a star or hub-based network without the hub. Will AppleTalk be intelligent enough to figure it out? Also, are the terminators still required? I wanted to use RJ-11 jack for both data and phone - pass the phone line on through the PhoneNet adapter... No room for the terminator in that scenario... Finally, I don't have any terminators ;-) I understand they are easy enough to fabricate if you know what kind of resistor is required... Can anyone help me out there? -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 2:30 PM -0400 8/18/02, computersmith wrote: I used LocalTalk connectors and my house phone wiring to network four Macs for file and print sharing. I had a single telephone line that used the middle pair of the phone wiring so the outer pair was not connected to the phone network. I used a simple phone line splitter where I needed both an phone and LocalTalk connected to a single jack. Only the LocalTalk was terminated. My network was a straight line bus topology. I understood that a star topology required different hardware like a Farallon StarRouter. I also thought that standard LocalTalk does not work for TCP/IP. Because of it's lower speed (compared to Ethernet for example) LocalTalk is more tolerant of poor topology so you can connect it in a star configuration just using wiring. As long as you keep the lengths in check it will work. LocalTalk only handles AppleTalk true but you can use IP over AppleTalk (MacIP). You need a router to move it to standard IP over Ethernet. My current machines all run Ethernet with RJ-45 but I still have a StarRouter to set up eventually to get the Classics connected. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 13:15 -0400 08/18/2002, PowerBooks wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:41:51 -0700 From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 4:59 PM -0600 8/17/02, Andrew Kershaw wrote: I seem to recall hearing at one time or another that it is possible to use your home telephone wires (the ones in the wall) in conjunction with a PhoneNet LocalTalk adapter to run a small network to multiple rooms in a house... Is this possible? Yeah, I've done it. LocalTalk runs on a spare set of wires (not connected to the phone company. It connects using the outer pair in a standard phone jack (RJ-11). PhoneNet uses the yellow and black wires, to add a bit more detail. A typical phone cable uses the red and green wires. The YB are the outer wires, the RG are the inner wires. Some cables (especially those included with modems) may only have the inner two wires. I spent hours troubleshooting once, before figuring that out. Sigh. There is a great deal of variation in how houses are wired, especially older houses. It is possible that the YB might be in use if there is a second line but it is not a certainty and should be unlikely for houses wired in the last decade or so. There may only be three wires in a much older house. Also, you may find that the YB are present at each jack, but that they are not actually connected together between jacks. This is especially likely if all the lines run separately back to a junction box where only the RG were connected to anything. But you can connect the YB lines up yourself at the box. Years ago when I did this trick I did find that PhoneNet on the same cable as the phone line puts noise on the phone line. At least, when I was printing to my AT IWII I could hear a stuttering/buzzing sound on the phone. If you are wired for 10BT and are not using it for anything else, you can use that wiring. The RJ45 jack (wide 8 pin jack) will take the RJ11 plug just fine and the wires will hook up properly. You'll just need to tie the appropriate wires together whereever the other ends of those lines come together. I wired my house with Cat. 5 a few years ago--spent about two weeks in the attic. :-) Anywhere I put a wall plate I put at least two RJ45 jacks on the plate (four anywhere a computer might go) with corresponding cables back to the wiring closet (top shelf of coat closet). I also took the incoming phone lines and ran them to the wiring closet. With plenty of jacks to each room, I run my telephone, ethernet and LocalTalk/PhoneNet on the Cat. 5 lines. With panels in the closet it's easy to hook a given line up to whatever service I want. It also makes reconfiguring the telephone extensions in the house a breeze. Jeff Walther -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:55:53 -0700 From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, I don't have any terminators ;-) I understand they are easy enough to fabricate if you know what kind of resistor is required... Can anyone help me out there? this by wiring a 120 ohm resistor across the LocalTalk pair on the phone jack in the wall. The booklet also listed methods for maximum lengths but for normal use in a home don't worry about it. To build a termination plug, take a 120 ohm resistor, as Clark mentioned, and a blank RJ11 plug which you can get at RS or most hardware stores that have a good wiring department. Insert the leads of the resistor (clip the extra length first) in the outer two slots/channels of the plug. Then you'll need a crimping tool to squeeze the plug down to close it so that it grips the leads. I've seen inexpensive, mostly plastic crimpers for under $10, but it still ends up being a bit of an investment if you don't already have one. On the other hand, once you have the crimper, you can build your own phone cables (provided you buy the cable and plugs) to any length you desire. An uncrimped plug will not plug into a socket, at least not without a great deal of force. I mention this in case you try to test the thing in a jack before crimping it. The plastic on top sticks up before it's been crimped. Jeff Walther -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines
Jeff, thanks for the info RE: RJ-11 conductors and tips. I actually already have a crimper (w/ RJ-11 and RJ-45 slots) and 2 or 3 spools of 100' of Cat-5. ;-) Got my own home network w/ a cantenna uplink, 802.11b base station, 10/100bT, a LaserWriter IIf, 5 macs, and 2 PCs. There is a patch-panel in the closet here that the apartment management installed while building the complex (we are the first tenants, having moved in in May). I think the panel is for the ethernet, set up somehow so that the telco (quest, who has exclusive DSL service here, ugh) can patch it into the DSL modem. Actually, that's supposed to be a feature of the apartment - we can pay Quest for DSL and they'll give us 2 IPs. Yeah It will be a cold day in hell when I give Quest my business. ;-) So, anyway, we don't use the ethernet, which isn't entirely connected (no hub) anyway. I suppose I could finish it up myself, but I can't bring myself to do something the apartment folks should have already done themselves... The telephone line, on the other hand... There is at least 1 jack per room (4 rooms) with 2 in the living room/dining/kitchen area. Should allow ok mobility for the Duo, having just finished a somewhat improved version of this mod: http://www.seas.smu.edu/~roos/digiframe .html. It's going to be a bedside clock/weather station running Son of Weather Grok 24/7... tee hee ;-) I have some experience in PhoneNet - Back in the day (5+ years ago) I pretty much managed my high school's implementation. We had lots of problems - too many Macs per node/zone, VERY long cable runs, etc. Ha, here's one. We ran lines overhead hanging off the flourescent lamps... For the longest time we couldn't figure out why the end of the line had no signal... Yeah, you guessed it, the wires weren't shielded ;-) Do you have any anecdotes, hints, tips, or funny stories to share about your LocalTalk net? I've got the day off tomorrow (er, when you are unemployed, every day is like a day off, only not). I'll run up to RS and grab the parts to make terminators and let you all know how it turns out! Thanks again! Peace, Drew - Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To build a termination plug, take a 120 ohm resistor, as Clark mentioned, and a blank RJ11 plug which you can get at RS or most hardware stores that have a good wiring department. Insert the leads of the resistor (clip the extra length first) in the outer two slots/channels of the plug. Then you'll need a crimping tool to squeeze the plug down to close it so that it grips the leads. I've seen inexpensive, mostly plastic crimpers for under $10, but it still ends up being a bit of an investment if you don't already have one. On the other hand, once you have the crimper, you can build your own phone cables (provided you buy the cable and plugs) to any length you desire. An uncrimped plug will not plug into a socket, at least not without a great deal of force. I mention this in case you try to test the thing in a jack before crimping it. The plastic on top sticks up before it's been crimped. Jeff Walther -- Having graduated (with a physics BS :-P), I will be using the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please update your address book. http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Anyone can fly, all you have to do is throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
localtalk and phone lines?
I seem to recall hearing at one time or another that it is possible to use your home telephone wires (the ones in the wall) in conjunction with a PhoneNet LocalTalk adapter to run a small network to multiple rooms in a house... Is this possible? What i have in mind is to plug a Duo230 into a LocalTalk/PhoneNet adapter, and plug the adapter into a phone jack in the bedroom. In the study, I'd connect my 5300cs to another PhoneNet adpater and thence into the wall. The 5300cs would run something like IPNetRouter to serve up MacIP addresses for the duo and bridge the localtalk network to an ethernet network and up to the world from there. Is this possible? I'll take tips on how to get my Duo online... but running wires along the floor (a good 75 feet or so) isn't really an option right now. My apartment is already wired w/ 10bT, but it seems to have been 1/2-a$$ed (don't get me started) and dedicated for our non-existant DSL connection, so plugging into the network that way isn't really an option either (besides, I don't have the Farallon EtherWave or whatever it was called). IDEAS?! I really want to get the Duo online :-) Peace out, Drew -- Having graduated (with a physics BS :-P), I will be using the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please update your address book. http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Anyone can fly, all you have to do is throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 04:59 PM 8/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: I seem to recall hearing at one time or another that it is possible to use your home telephone wires (the ones in the wall) in conjunction with a PhoneNet LocalTalk adapter to run a small network to multiple rooms in a house... Is this possible? Well, the PhoneNet thingies do indeed use telephone cabling, but I've never heard of actually plugging it into the house wiring. My gut instinct is it wouldn't work, due to the difference in voltages between a Mac serial port and the phone lines. There's actually a pretty good bit of juice coming through the thing. All in all, unless you find some definitive statement somewhere that it'll work, I wouldn't risk it. I think it'd be more likely to damage the serial port or the Mac itself. Scott Holder -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 4:59 PM -0600 8/17/02, Andrew Kershaw wrote: I seem to recall hearing at one time or another that it is possible to use your home telephone wires (the ones in the wall) in conjunction with a PhoneNet LocalTalk adapter to run a small network to multiple rooms in a house... Is this possible? Yeah, I've done it. LocalTalk runs on a spare set of wires (not connected to the phone company. It connects using the outer pair in a standard phone jack (RJ-11). What i have in mind is to plug a Duo230 into a LocalTalk/PhoneNet adapter, and plug the adapter into a phone jack in the bedroom. In the study, I'd connect my 5300cs to another PhoneNet adpater and thence into the wall. The 5300cs would run something like IPNetRouter to serve up MacIP addresses for the duo and bridge the localtalk network to an ethernet network and up to the world from there. That will be a problem. Trying to use LocalTalk and a dial up connection simultaneously doesn't work well. LocalTalk when it is transferring a packet takes over the processor. The time it takes to transfer an LT packet is long enough that some bytes of a PPP packet being received simultaneously will be dropped. This results in a retry. This scenario is common in using IPNR so you'll constantly be getting re-tries and it really slows things down. It's possible the PC Card modem (assuming that is what is being used) has enough of a receive buffer to hold bytes during an LT transfer. There are two solutions to this. You can use Ethernet for the network connection to the router. LocalTalk can still be used to connect to a client Mac through a bridge on another machine. You canuse a GeoPort capable Mac (various PowerMacs and AV Quadras). These machines have hardware DMA to buffer the serial transfers. Is this possible? I'll take tips on how to get my Duo online... but running wires along the floor (a good 75 feet or so) isn't really an option right now. My apartment is already wired w/ 10bT, but it seems to have been 1/2-a$$ed (don't get me started) and dedicated for our non-existant DSL connection, so plugging into the network that way isn't really an option either (besides, I don't have the Farallon EtherWave or whatever it was called). I have both a Duo 280c and a 5300c online through a Q700 doing the routing. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: localtalk and phone lines?
At 04:41 PM 8/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: At 4:59 PM -0600 8/17/02, Andrew Kershaw wrote: I seem to recall hearing at one time or another that it is possible to use your home telephone wires (the ones in the wall) in conjunction with a PhoneNet LocalTalk adapter to run a small network to multiple rooms in a house... Is this possible? Yeah, I've done it. LocalTalk runs on a spare set of wires (not connected to the phone company. It connects using the outer pair in a standard phone jack (RJ-11). Okay, then there's your definitive answer. However, one caveat, most 2-line systems use both the inner and outer pair, so my warning would still stand if you're in a 2-line house that does that. Otherwise, it looks like you'll be fine. I'll have to keep this in mind, it could be quite handy. Scott Holder -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
