Re(3): (desperately) needing tech help
C. A. Niemiec [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 stated: I did reformat/reinitialize the disk. But I doubt the data is erased by this. The procedure takes a few seconds -- it should take longer than that to erase some 50+ Gb of data. If it only took a few seconds I would hazard the entire disk surface wasn't completely initialized or reformatted (zeroing all the data). From when I used Norton Utilities the Unerase utility that scanned the entire surface looking for anything to restore was the right tool for the job. The FileSaver utility was helpful in this process, keeping a separate record of where things were and what they were supposed to be, but you had to have enabled it and been using it before the disaster. If you have Norton Utilities, I would try that option first. Somebody mentioned Drive Savers, this company does wonders saving/recovering the data. However, they don't work cheaply. Apparently their big loss leader is the IBM microdrives (1 GB Type II CF card), which will still run you $150.00. ¥ Wayne -- All human rules are more or less idiotic. - Mark Twain Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re(3): (desperately) needing tech help
I did reformat/reinitialize the disk. But I doubt the data is erased by this. The procedure takes a few seconds -- it should take longer than that to erase some 50+ Gb of data. If it only took a few seconds I would hazard the entire disk surface wasn't completely initialized or reformatted (zeroing all the data). From when I used Norton Utilities the Unerase utility that scanned the entire surface looking for anything to restore was the right tool for the job. The FileSaver utility was helpful in this process, keeping a separate record of where things were and what they were supposed to be, but you had to have enabled it and been using it before the disaster. Unerase (even on its own) I found worked excellently well to find things I deleted, often recovering text fragments months long gone. With the advent of OS X and Symantec's terribly inflated upgrade policies, I don't use it anymore. Chris --
Re(2): X PM quits on indexing
I think I have an answer as to why PM stops during indexing. I have been bursting digests, and have had no problem indexing a hundred or more messages after a bursting session. However, now that I have some filters set to burst digests on arrival, PM has started to quit (stop) when receiving messages, if a digest is burst during the session. Is this likely to be a problem with PM or AppleScript? PM 4.1.2 OS X 10.2.4 At Sun, Mar 23, 2003, the nimble fingers of Wayne Brissette typed the following: Louis Cornelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/23/03 at 11:28 AM stated: I have been using Pm for a week or so. No problems in , but in OSX it will quit will indexing messages if there ae 40 or more. Do I need to allocate more memory to it? if so, how to I do that in OSX ( again I am newly reluctantly switched to OSX) thanks! I have never gotten PM to index large amounts of documents in Mac OS X properly without causing it to quit. Usually I just open PM again, and manually index the documents and all is well. It's annoying, but since it doesn't seem to cause any real problems I've lived with it. Wayne -- Mark Smith (The Red Whales Rool) Ashiya, Hyogo, Japan. Selected Japanese match reports and league tables. http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~hab26240/
Re(2): (desperately) needing tech help
Received from: Leonard Morgenstern At: 4:16 am (GMT) on Mon, Mar 24, 2003 Have you tried Norton SystemWorks or a similar utility package? Remember, normally when you erase a file, it's not really erased. Instead, the disk sectors that it occupied are flagged as available for new files. If you use Norton before you have added too many new files, you can recover some (or even all) your data. So, don't write anything to that disk until you have attempted to recover the files! I assume that's what happened to you. If your disk is physically damaged, Norton won't work. I'm told DriveSavers is expensive but they often work wonders. From Max's original message he seems to have actually reformatted the drive, which is much more serious than simply deleting files. Actually, when you delete a file in the normal way it isn't deleted at all; rather, the OS simply flags the space that the file takes up as being available to be overwritten (normally a file's space is protected from being overwritten so that when you save file B it isn't saved over the top of file A -- unless it has the same name, of course). So deleted files actually aren't deleted until the OS uses that space for a new file. Formatting, on the other hand, DOES wipe data. However, as the FBI and other security agencies know very well, whilst a single reformat will render the data on a drive Totally Gone to the average user, with the right tools it *can* be recovered. I read once that it takes 7 reformats of a drive to completely destroy the data on it to the point where it is *really* unrecoverable (guys may want to bear that in mind when erasing those girly pics before giving their girlfriend their old mac). So the low-down is that a reformat is not the end of the line but you'll need a specialist service to have even a hope of recoving the data. I think. Hope this helps; Rick --- G4/500 MHz (DP) :: OS 10.2.4 :: PM 4.1.2 :: 3 pane mode :: 768 MB RAM www.sharkattack.co.uk
Re(2): (desperately) needing tech help
Yes! That gets you much farther (further?) than Norton. Look here: http://www.prosoftengineering.com/index.php Mirko -- Mirko Kranenburg e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:52:10 +0100 Mikke Byström wrote: Whatbout the app Data Rescue?
Re:(desperately) needing tech help
Whatbout the app Data Rescue?
Re(2): OSX unreachable services
Interesting! I am one of the beta-testers of Mariner that had problems with Services while they should be operational. Since you say it works for you, while it does not for me, that shows there is something odd going on in my configuration. This is getting off topic, but still is helpful for me. Thanks! -- Mirko Kranenburg e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:06:05 -0500 Tim Lapin wrote: I can vouch for that. I just tested the speech service on a selected part of a message and it worked just fine. The key for most of the service menu items is that a piece of text must be selected.
Re(2): OSX unreachable services
True, but isn't it so that because of the non-presence of support for services in Carbon-apps, most Carbon apps are not ready for them? For example, Mariner Write is carbonized since v3.0, but only 3.1beta is allowing services. Anyway, PM doesn't give them on my Mac, OS X 10.2.4. Wayne, do they appear in your setup? Mirko -- Mirko Kranenburg e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:52:07 -0600 Wayne Brissette wrote: As of Mac OS X 10.2.? (1? or maybe it was just 10.2)... Anyhow, as of Mac OS X 10.2.x services are available to carbon applications. Wayne
Re: OSX unreachable services
Mirko Kranenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 stated: As far as I know, services are only usable in Cocoa applications (of which Texedit is an example), and some, but certainly not all Carbon applications. Most not, as a matter of fact. Unfortunately PM is one of those, and only CTM development can fix that, in a new release. Mirko As of Mac OS X 10.2.? (1? or maybe it was just 10.2)... Anyhow, as of Mac OS X 10.2.x services are available to carbon applications. Wayne -- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re: OSX unreachable services
Hervé Sainct [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 stated: using PM v. 4.1.2 carbon on OSX 10.2.3 I can see the services menu but get nothing at all (no submenu) when I select it in the menu. I tried services inTextEdit, they work. I undestand there may have been issues with services in OSX 10.1.2, but I am a newcomer in this list and am not aware of the ways to handle them, nor what happened since then. My main purpose is to occasionally use simple pgp functions (any advice on that? GPG vs PGP?) TIA, Herve Services by definition must have something to put their results in. Some work in a text area and some in a graphic area, still others require that something be selected. Do you see this problem in a open mail message? Wayne -- sans la Musique la Vie serait une Erreur Without music, life would be a serious mistake. - Frederich Nietzsche Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: AndOrs Aberdeen Track 14 : 2003-03-13 Momo's (Austin, TX)
Re(2): (desperately) needing tech help
On 3/24/03 8:15 PM Jonathan Greene wrote: If what you nuked was something you really need you might try a service company like http://www.drivesavers.com/. I've seen them on TechTV and they certainly seem to be able to work some magic. I have no idea what it would cost... can't hurt to call. Have you tried Norton SystemWorks or a similar utility package? Remember, normally when you erase a file, it's not really erased. Instead, the disk sectors that it occupied are flagged as available for new files. If you use Norton before you have added too many new files, you can recover some (or even all) your data. So, don't write anything to that disk until you have attempted to recover the files! I assume that's what happened to you. If your disk is physically damaged, Norton won't work. I'm told DriveSavers is expensive but they often work wonders. Good luck. Len - Leonard Morgenstern [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are old mushroom hunters and there are bold mushroom hunters. But there are no old, bold mushroom hunters. --David Smith, M. D., leading authority on mushroom poisoning.
Re(2): Can't get original message
On 24 3 2003 at 8:25 pm -0500, Adeline Moore wrote: The Open Text File only adds the attachment to a new email. BBEdit opens a document that only contains the header info. Well, if BBEdit only shows the header, then the header is all you've been sent back. Fortunately, this particular email is not a critical piece of info, but if it was, what would I do? Why isn't the original in my out tray along with all my other sent email? Well, that's a good question. I had assumed that you had deleted it. Maybe you have some filters or something set up which might have moved or deleted it? Have you tried doing a find by content to hunt through your entire database for it, in case it got moved to a different folder? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re(2): Can't get original message
Ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Monday, 24 March 2003 wrote: How about a text editor like BBEdit Lite? Or as a matter of fact, the Open Text File... command from the File menu, while you are composing a new message in PowerMail? The Open Text File only adds the attachment to a new email. BBEdit opens a document that only contains the header info. Fortunately, this particular email is not a critical piece of info, but if it was, what would I do? Why isn't the original in my out tray along with all my other sent email? -- iMac :: 700 MHz PowerPC G3 :: 10.2.3 :: 512MB RAM :: PowerMail 4.1 :: 2 Panes I'm listening to Jimmy Page Robert Plant Thank You from: No Quarter
Re: (desperately) needing tech help
I am not the expert you seek, but with the right disc utility you may have been able to recover some data if you had only erased it since the computer believes the memory space is free, but data is still written there. With initialization I think you set bits to zero which may really prevent you from a recovery. If what you nuked was something you really need you might try a service company like http://www.drivesavers.com/. I've seen them on TechTV and they certainly seem to be able to work some magic. I have no idea what it would cost... can't hurt to call. Good luck! -- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson on Tue, 25 Mar 2003 02:03:40 +0100 / Max Gossell said: Once again, this has nothing to do with Power Mail: It's extremely embarrassing, but I've managed to erase some 50 Gb of data and software from a hard disk. I had a 120 Mb disk drive with two partitions, one small 1 GB for a Classic OS and then the rest for data. I moved it to an old 6500 Mac, and it refused to run Mac OS 9.2, although it accepted Max OS 9.1. But I couldn't install v9.1 on the v9.2 volume so I though I just reinitialize the small 1 GB volume and install v9.1 on a empty volume. When reinitializing, I got the usual warning about everything would be erased, but I thought it concerned the 1 Gb volume only. Then the whole hard disk was erased!! I feel so stupid and I'm in complete despair and wonder if some tech magician out there would be kind enough to advise me about what to do. I mean -- the data can be recovered...? Or can't it.? :-( Max G
(desperately) needing tech help
Once again, this has nothing to do with Power Mail: It's extremely embarrassing, but I've managed to erase some 50 Gb of data and software from a hard disk. I had a 120 Mb disk drive with two partitions, one small 1 GB for a Classic OS and then the rest for data. I moved it to an old 6500 Mac, and it refused to run Mac OS 9.2, although it accepted Max OS 9.1. But I couldn't install v9.1 on the v9.2 volume so I though I just reinitialize the small 1 GB volume and install v9.1 on a empty volume. When reinitializing, I got the usual warning about everything would be erased, but I thought it concerned the 1 Gb volume only. Then the whole hard disk was erased!! I feel so stupid and I'm in complete despair and wonder if some tech magician out there would be kind enough to advise me about what to do. I mean -- the data can be recovered...? Or can't it.? :-( Max G
Re: Can't get original message
On 24 3 2003 at 6:36 pm -0500, Adeline Moore wrote: OK fine. I'll change the prefs in PM. But the problem I have is this: the sent message is *not* in my out box and my original mail was returned as an attachment and I can't find anything with which to open it! So, I have no way to re-send my original message in the ISO-8859-1 character set the list insists I use. How about a text editor like BBEdit Lite? Or as a matter of fact, the Open Text File... command from the File menu, while you are composing a new message in PowerMail? PS. Can anyone tell me why a list would demand a particular character set? Probably for consistency amongst its subscribers; if it's compiling a digest or whatever, then all participants can be assured of a homogeneous character set. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Can't get original message
OK. Here's one for you... I sent an email to a mail list. I received this back: Your message cannot be posted. It is composed using the 'utf-8' character set, and this list accepts ISO-8859-1 only OK fine. I'll change the prefs in PM. But the problem I have is this: the sent message is *not* in my out box and my original mail was returned as an attachment and I can't find anything with which to open it! So, I have no way to re-send my original message in the ISO-8859-1 character set the list insists I use. PS. Can anyone tell me why a list would demand a particular character set? Adeline Moore -- iMac :: 700 MHz PowerPC G3 :: 10.2.3 :: 512MB RAM :: PowerMail 4.1 :: 2 Panes I'm listening to Wynton Marsalis E-Flat Major Concerto (Allegro) from: Trumpet Concertos
