Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[PowerMail Engineering]

Wayne Brissette wrote:

>How I wish. All my other filters are after the SpamSieve filters. And yes
>Andy it is set for incoming and always. Oh well. Maybe I'll figure it out.

If the "Spam: evaluate" filter is the first one, with an "always"
condition, and "evaluate spam rating" as single action, then it should at
least launch SpamSieve, unless you have unchecked the SpamSieve checkbox
from the spam filter assistant?


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Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Michael Tsai]

On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:

> I'm currently using 2.2.3, and I had this problem quite recently. 
> Looking
> at the white list, there is an entry for "Eric" (which I remember
> disabling) dated 15th November 2004. Maybe this was created by an 
> earlier
> version of SpamSieve.

Probably. Please let me know if you see any new rules like that being 
created.

-- 
Michael Tsai 

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Jeremy Hughes]

Michael Tsai (16/12/04 4:06 pm) said:

>For exactly this reason, SpamSieve 2.2.2 and later do not automatically 
>whitelist simple names.

That's good :)

I'm currently using 2.2.3, and I had this problem quite recently. Looking
at the white list, there is an entry for "Eric" (which I remember
disabling) dated 15th November 2004. Maybe this was created by an earlier
version of SpamSieve.

Jeremy

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Andy Fragen]

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I knew it would be but I had to ask.

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Andy Fragen

On Wed, Dec 15, 2004, Wayne Brissette said:

>>t sounds like one of your earlier filters is acting as a catch-all,
>>preventing all subsequent filters from ever getting to it.  Try moving
>
>How I wish. All my other filters are after the SpamSieve filters. And yes
>Andy it is set for incoming and always. Oh well. Maybe I'll figure it out. 
>
>Wayne
>
>-- 
>"Nature can survive without man--in fact, that may be its salvation--but
>man cannot survive without nature."
>- Homero Aridjis
>
>
>

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Michael Tsai]

On Dec 16, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:

> 2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email
> addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few
> problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from 
> (say)
> "Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". In this case SpamSieve will whitelist
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (which is good) and will also whitelist "Steve", 
> which
> is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from "Steve
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non-
> spam email because it has whitelisted "Steve". I can resolve the 
> problem
> by deleting or disabling "Steve" from the white list, but I think that
> there should be a preference option to control the way in which names 
> are
> automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are
> reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name 
> combinations
> ("Steve Smith").

For exactly this reason, SpamSieve 2.2.2 and later do not automatically 
whitelist simple names.

-- 
Michael Tsai 

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Jeremy Hughes]

Giovanni Andreani (16/12/04 1:53 pm) said:

>>2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email
>>addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few
>>problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say)
>>"Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". In this case SpamSieve will whitelist
>>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (which is good) and will also whitelist "Steve", which
>>is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from "Steve
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non-
>>spam email because it has whitelisted "Steve". I can resolve the problem
>>by deleting or disabling "Steve" from the white list, but I think that
>>there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are
>>automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are
>>reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations
>>("Steve Smith").
>>
>>Jeremy
>
>But if one trains SS to learn the difference between the two Steve, won't
>that be sufficient?

Yes. When you get the email from spammer Steve, SpamSieve will give you a
false negative result. If you mark the email as spam, it will disable
"Steve" in the whitelist, and future emails from spammer Steve will be
identified correctly as being spam. Then you have to repeat this with
"Robert", "Chris", "Mark" etc. etc.

SpamSieve could avoid these false negatives by having an option for not
whitelisting simple names.

Jeremy

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Giovanni Andreani]

>2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email
>addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few
>problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say)
>"Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". In this case SpamSieve will whitelist
>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (which is good) and will also whitelist "Steve", which
>is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from "Steve
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non-
>spam email because it has whitelisted "Steve". I can resolve the problem
>by deleting or disabling "Steve" from the white list, but I think that
>there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are
>automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are
>reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations
>("Steve Smith").
>
>Jeremy

But if one trains SS to learn the difference between the two Steve, won't
that be sufficient?

Giovanni

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Jeremy Hughes]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (15/12/04 9:16 pm) said:

>Anybody got any clues on how to make PM clear it's whitelist so things
>get filtered properly again?

1. PowerMail keeps a list of recipients and senders which it uses as a
white list. You can clear this in "Preferences/Address Book"

2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email
addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few
problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say)
"Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". In this case SpamSieve will whitelist
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (which is good) and will also whitelist "Steve", which
is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from "Steve
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non-
spam email because it has whitelisted "Steve". I can resolve the problem
by deleting or disabling "Steve" from the white list, but I think that
there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are
automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are
reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations
("Steve Smith").

Jeremy

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Wayne Brissette]

>t sounds like one of your earlier filters is acting as a catch-all,
>preventing all subsequent filters from ever getting to it.  Try moving

How I wish. All my other filters are after the SpamSieve filters. And yes
Andy it is set for incoming and always. Oh well. Maybe I'll figure it out. 

Wayne

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man cannot survive without nature."
- Homero Aridjis

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Andy Fragen]

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Wayne,

I hate to ask but is your 'SpamSieve: evalutate' filter checked for
incoming messages and 'Always'?

-- 
Andy Fragen

On Wed, Dec 15, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>The problem is I don't think this is a SpamSieve issue. I say this
>because the application never get's launched at startup. It's like PM has
>decided that none of my email needs to be checked. I know from re-reading
>my archives that somebody had a very similar issue, so I was kind of
>hoping that they would chime in with the way to fix this.
>
>Wayne
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy Fragen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2004 1:53 PM
>To: PowerMail List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
>
>>From SS select View > Show Whitelist. From there you can add or delete
>entries.
>
>--
>Andy Fragen
>
>
>

Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist

[Raul Vera]

It sounds like one of your earlier filters is acting as a catch-all,
preventing all subsequent filters from ever getting to it.  Try moving
your spam filters to the top of the list.  If SpamSieve gets invoked,
move them down one, stop SpamSieve, and try again.  Keep going until you
find the filter that is turning off all subsequent ones when it
shouldn't.  Of course, this is easier said than done, as it requires you
to wait for spam to arrive then stop SpamSieve on each iteration.

Alternatively, wait till you get a single spam that isn't processed
properly (these days, shouldn't be very long), pull it up in a window,
then just look at the filters one by one, in order, thinking through
exactly what it would do with that message.  This is less empirical but
works if you understand your filters well and can read them without
making assumptions (ruthless empiricism is the key to debugging).

Raul

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The problem is I don't think this is a SpamSieve issue. I say this
>because the application never get's launched at startup. It's like PM has
>decided that none of my email needs to be checked. I know from re-reading
>my archives that somebody had a very similar issue, so I was kind of
>hoping that they would chime in with the way to fix this.
>
>Wayne
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy Fragen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2004 1:53 PM
>To: PowerMail List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
>
>>From SS select View > Show Whitelist. From there you can add or delete
>entries.
>
>--
>Andy Fragen
>
>
>

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Australia
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