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Marcus, I deleted index file from finder and build a new one - nothing changes, still tapping in place, no solution on sight. :-( Best regards, Sead Marcus, I wasn't deleting index file as I think that rebuilding index from alt- apple startup menu should do that and create new index file. But, I will try this as well. Who knows? Thanks! Best regards, Sead
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Marcus, I wasn't deleting index file as I think that rebuilding index from alt- apple startup menu should do that and create new index file. But, I will try this as well. Who knows? Thanks! Best regards, Sead On Thursday, 3 June 2004, Sead, [EMAIL PROTECTED], thoughtfully composed the following: I also had the white Lady bug, but it's gone since a long time, at least it didn't appear anymore since I use PM5. So, what I would suggest is doing a rebuild of the Indexes. As far as I understood this bug, it came from Apples Search engine and that one is not used anymore. You must be lucky! After reading your reply, naturally I did once again index rebuild and old story goes on...: I get Memory Error (class:std, what=1, when=100) I didn't get impression PowerMail was using Apple search engine, instead I thought it used FoxTrot. But, I can be wrong. Anyway, in my case PM5 shows exactly the same behavior as PM3 and PM4 in terms of white lady... I will try later on to do again low level database rebuild and then to rebuild indexes as the last resort... I will report on the result. Sorry if you've already done this, but have you tried throwing the old Message Database index file away and rebuilding the index from scratch? I've never had this problem, but I vaguely recall reading that this method helped. HTH, Marcus -- Marcus Jarrett, Adelaide, South Australia. How I wish that somewhere there existed an island for those who are wise and of goodwill! In such a place even I would be an ardent patriot. -Albert Einstein
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Hi again, Just to report that after low level database rebuilt and later first four options ticked in alt-apple startup, message count differed for 54 messages (not sure of they were deleted with low level rebuild or it's just plain counting error), however, White Lady is still there... Best regards, Sead
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Hi Mathias, Thanks for your reply. Bok ;-) :-) I also had the white Lady bug, but it's gone since a long time, at least it didn't appear anymore since I use PM5. So, what I would suggest is doing a rebuild of the Indexes. As far as I understood this bug, it came from Apples Search engine and that one is not used anymore. You must be lucky! After reading your reply, naturally I did once again index rebuild and old story goes on...: I get Memory Error (class:std, what=1, when=100) I didn't get impression PowerMail was using Apple search engine, instead I thought it used FoxTrot. But, I can be wrong. Anyway, in my case PM5 shows exactly the same behavior as PM3 and PM4 in terms of white lady... I will try later on to do again low level database rebuild and then to rebuild indexes as the last resort... I will report on the result. It may be of relevance to point out that my mail database is rather large - it's in excess of 13.000 messages (I did erase few thousands first time I experienced white lady, hoping that reducing database size would help) Regarding your accents, my wife is Croatian and communicating with people in Croatia with PM and she didn't told me about any problems. Normal people are ascends aware and don't use ascends in their e-mail communication. It's become a sort of good manners. So, those who've been using e-mail for years never use ascends around here. So, that can't make any problems. However, more and more people are nowadays starting using ascends... In my case, this creates havoc with PM. You have a new feature in PM5 for received messages: you can change the encoding. This you find under the message menu. The other thing you can do is setting messages with unknown encoding to win1250 under the preferences and the encoding tab. Tried all sorts yesterday before making the post - I harassed a friend whole morning yesterday, experimenting with sending and receiving mails with different encoding (of course, I was experimenting with various Latin code pages and Unicode options, no Arabic or Hebrew or Japanese or Chinese) with varying results but none of which could be called a success: As I said in my original post, received mails sometimes are ok, sometimes are scrambled but without mistake my outbound replies to mails containing ascends are received on the other side either as Japanese or as blank message. I observed 2 things: Some Windows mail clients don't set the encoding in a proper way (some even don't set any at all) and most of the mail clients in the windows world don't decode Unicode in a proper way or not at all. PM is Unicode also there are some restrictions mainly for Hebrew and Arab Languages because of the used Text-engine. This, of course, can be true - I haven't been exploring Windows mail clients in a while - ever since I switched to Mac 4 years ago. :-))) However, what I am experiencing with PM does not show PM being successful in Unicode implementation either. :-( Personally, I have no problem with Latin2 as I am quite used not to use ascended characters but frankly, more and more people are using ascends in their e-mails and that creates problems for me. I was even silently observing paradox situation where Apple who was the first to come with support for all sorts of different languages was lagging with OSX and support for Croatian language until they adopted Unicode (and now it works very good even cross-platform). It may be that every other mail client in this world is doing things wrong and that PM is absolutely right. However, in situation when every other clients talk to each other ok, PM, even if it is perfect, turns to be faulty. Btw, Apple Mail does not exhibit this behavior thus this isn't mac-pc problem. So, even if PC mail clients do interpret code pages incorrectly, why don't they do this with Apple Mail? (for that matter, I dislike Apple Mail - it can be functional for my child but certainly not for me) Best regards, Sead
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Bok ;-) I also had the white Lady bug, but it's gone since a long time, at least it didn't appear anymore since I use PM5. So, what I would suggest is doing a rebuild of the Indexes. As far as I understood this bug, it came from Apples Search engine and that one is not used anymore. Regarding your accents, my wife is Croatian and communicating with people in Croatia with PM and she didn't told me about any problems. You have a new feature in PM5 for received messages: you can change the encoding. This you find under the message menu. The other thing you can do is setting messages with unknown encoding to win1250 under the preferences and the encoding tab. I observed 2 things: Some Windows mail clients don't set the encoding in a proper way (some even don't set any at all) and most of the mail clients in the windows world don't decode Unicode in a proper way or not at all. PM is Unicode also there are some restrictions mainly for Hebrew and Arab Languages because of the used Text-engine. All the best Matthias --- schmidt-systemdevelopment http://www.schmidt-system.com iChat/AIM: MatKoyasan Tel. +31-736-56-3905 --- Am/On: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:23:22 +0200 schrieb/wrote: Sead Sead Hi there, I've been using Power Mail since 3.0 version. When I switched from PC to Mac, at that time Power Mail seemed like the way to go (not perfect translation but it did import at least all headers from Outlook for PC, when even Outlook for Mac could not do it). Anyway, I got used to Power Mail and was upgrading over time and now I'm on version 5.0. Always I was hoping that some of quirks would be sorted out but not, I really don't see much of the functional improvement from the very first version I used. Yeah, there are some things that have been included (address book synch is one thing I can think of) but I really did not see much improvement as one would expect. This said, Power Mail is perfectly competent e-mail client and it does serve me well. But, there are problems I want to address and without solution to these issues I will have to look for a new mail client. I was trying to get help outside of this mail list from CTM but except from nice words and promises technical dept would address them, all remained just wishful thinking. A year ago my database indexes developed what I think is called White Lady bug... Ever since my database was unable to index even with low level maintenance, everything I could think of. So, the search option is crippled and there is no cure that I am aware of (or being provided with technical support). With large number of e-mails that I need to make reference to quite often, not being able to do a comprehensive search can't be compared to nicer toolboxes and gadgets. And, today I finally got really upset - at the point where Apple has paved full support for Unicode (which should eventually bring compatibility with Windows), Power Mail seems to fail there big time. where they had great advantage long time ago, now becomes a problem. At least for me.. Living in Bosnia (thus dominant code page being Windows 1250) and communicating with whole world, I noticed that quite often Power Mail fails to recognize proper code page and when replying to such messages, end result can be anything from blank text to Japanese characters being send out by Power Mail! Of course, not by my intention but Power Mail does the liberty of screwing it up on it's own. Today I got an e-mail from Outlook client at CP1250. This message had a signed name in Swedish (A character with small circle above it). No other special characters. I wrote a reply to this e-mail but what was received on the other end had my reply text and all other text (except for headers) in Japanese fonts. If it wasn't a serious e-mail it would be a really funny thing but I can assure you that this was not taken as a joke at the recipient side! Later on, investigating this problem I changed all reasonable encoding options in PM5.0 and my reply would always end up in Japanese... When I receive e-mail with Bosnian ascended characters (which is the same as Croatian with number of ascended characters) every reply I create with Power Mail will end up being received with complete BLANK text. Only option is to write a clean new message (which is a major pain in the neck). While it is advertised that PM is blah-blah multilingual e-mail client, I knew that wasn't the case to full extent but was avoiding this by not using ascends myself. However, over time, people are much more using ascends in e-mails, heck even Microsoft has included full functional unicode support to MS Office for Mac that works flawlessly cross-platform with all sorts of Latin ascends, umlauts and you name it. So, CTM, wake up, your code page recognition and handling is outdated and does not function as intended (it may work for some languages perfectly but It certainly does not function
Old story goes on...
Hi there, I've been using Power Mail since 3.0 version. When I switched from PC to Mac, at that time Power Mail seemed like the way to go (not perfect translation but it did import at least all headers from Outlook for PC, when even Outlook for Mac could not do it). Anyway, I got used to Power Mail and was upgrading over time and now I'm on version 5.0. Always I was hoping that some of quirks would be sorted out but not, I really don't see much of the functional improvement from the very first version I used. Yeah, there are some things that have been included (address book synch is one thing I can think of) but I really did not see much improvement as one would expect. This said, Power Mail is perfectly competent e-mail client and it does serve me well. But, there are problems I want to address and without solution to these issues I will have to look for a new mail client. I was trying to get help outside of this mail list from CTM but except from nice words and promises technical dept would address them, all remained just wishful thinking. A year ago my database indexes developed what I think is called White Lady bug... Ever since my database was unable to index even with low level maintenance, everything I could think of. So, the search option is crippled and there is no cure that I am aware of (or being provided with technical support). With large number of e-mails that I need to make reference to quite often, not being able to do a comprehensive search can't be compared to nicer toolboxes and gadgets. And, today I finally got really upset - at the point where Apple has paved full support for Unicode (which should eventually bring compatibility with Windows), Power Mail seems to fail there big time. where they had great advantage long time ago, now becomes a problem. At least for me.. Living in Bosnia (thus dominant code page being Windows 1250) and communicating with whole world, I noticed that quite often Power Mail fails to recognize proper code page and when replying to such messages, end result can be anything from blank text to Japanese characters being send out by Power Mail! Of course, not by my intention but Power Mail does the liberty of screwing it up on it's own. Today I got an e-mail from Outlook client at CP1250. This message had a signed name in Swedish (A character with small circle above it). No other special characters. I wrote a reply to this e-mail but what was received on the other end had my reply text and all other text (except for headers) in Japanese fonts. If it wasn't a serious e-mail it would be a really funny thing but I can assure you that this was not taken as a joke at the recipient side! Later on, investigating this problem I changed all reasonable encoding options in PM5.0 and my reply would always end up in Japanese... When I receive e-mail with Bosnian ascended characters (which is the same as Croatian with number of ascended characters) every reply I create with Power Mail will end up being received with complete BLANK text. Only option is to write a clean new message (which is a major pain in the neck). While it is advertised that PM is blah-blah multilingual e-mail client, I knew that wasn't the case to full extent but was avoiding this by not using ascends myself. However, over time, people are much more using ascends in e-mails, heck even Microsoft has included full functional unicode support to MS Office for Mac that works flawlessly cross-platform with all sorts of Latin ascends, umlauts and you name it. So, CTM, wake up, your code page recognition and handling is outdated and does not function as intended (it may work for some languages perfectly but It certainly does not function with CP1250). Nor have I been able to find a working solution for White Lady. Also, I want support. And, to get support, one should not have to go to mail-list (although I greatly appreciate help provided by some list members few years ago). Best regards, Sead Lejlic
