Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
PowerMail Engineering ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 6/20/08 8:56 AM said: Sean McBride wrote: Well, I sorta agree. It's hard to compete with Apple since they make the OS too. But email is an essential feature and Mac OS should come with a mail client. But CTM is to blame too, they haven't been keeping PM up to date. It still doesn't even have sheets, a feature added in Mac OS X 10.0, 8 years ago. Keeping an application up to date with Mac OS is not trivial, you know. Agreed... (BTW, I also maintain a PowerPlant application at my day job...) So while I sympathise with your situation, it's still disturbing. Let's look at history: PowerMail 5.6 was released in December 2007, its new features were all search-related (no doubt code from FoxTrot). PowerMail 5.5 was released in October 2006, its main feature was Universal Binary support. PowerMail 5.4 and 5.3 did not exist. PowerMail 5.2 was released in spring 2005 and had some significant feature additions. To me, this looks like a product that's not advancing very fast at all Can you give us any info about the purported PowerMail 6? -- Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac Software Designer Montréal, Québec, Canada
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
PowerMail; Keeping an application up to date with Mac OS is not trivial I would just like to say I love PowerMail. CTM has made excellent choices when faced with decisions on where to allocate resources for it's development. I only hope the user base is large enough to justify CTM continuing to it's development indefinitely. It has been some time since the last major release. I chalked that up to Leopard's delayed release. I would also like to say that MobileMe looks very compelling. I'm not a .Mac user, but once I get my first iPhone next month, for the first time I can see paying for .Mac, I mean MobileMe. I'm starting to ask myself how PowerMail is going to fit in this MobileMe and iPhone future? Finally, my only big complaint with PowerMail is the 2GB file size limit. I think it's past due to raise this limit. __ Eric Bickford [EMAIL PROTECTED] MACWEB.NET www.macweb.net Palo Alto, CA 650.274.4652 MACWEB.NET | Gigabit Fiber Data Center for Macintosh Servers
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
but once I get my first iPhone next month, for the first time I can see paying for .Mac, I mean MobileMe. I'm starting to ask myself how PowerMail is going to fit in this MobileMe and iPhone future? Exactly the point of the post to begin with, and as we progress into the use of the Cloud (information that is stored elsewhere and delivered via the air), the more this becomes an issue, similar to the decision to upgrade from OS-9 to OS-X. s
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
Steve Tarpin said for some unknown reason: Picky-Pickerton, so I'm not big on detail, don't let that distract you from the point. Well, you can't count obviously. That's my fault now? You had a point? OK. the features of MobileMe and the mail-push, server-side constant updating of multiple computers from The Cloud are awfully tempting. Yeah, I can read thank you, but what it means for your work flow was quite unclear. Also, Mobile Me and The Cloud are unknown terms to me. If you don't want to share, that's fine, but there's no reason to be nasty about it. Cheeezzh! Mikael Technoids: PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
MB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-20 6:54 PM said: Well, Apple currently provides developers with a .Mac SDK, so they may expand it to cover these new features. Or not. We'll see. And if CTM knows, they're under NDA. But 3rd Party developers will always be behind Apple in this regard, since of course teams within Apple get to use each other's code before any of us. And judging by the mediocre integration with Address Book (SDK introduced in 10.2), I'm pessimistic. :( I feel Apple is to blame here. What was the problem if the answer is to kill applications on the Mac platform? Well, I sorta agree. It's hard to compete with Apple since they make the OS too. But email is an essential feature and Mac OS should come with a mail client. But CTM is to blame too, they haven't been keeping PM up to date. It still doesn't even have sheets, a feature added in Mac OS X 10.0, 8 years ago. -- Every rule has an exception; especially this one.
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
Sean McBride wrote: Well, I sorta agree. It's hard to compete with Apple since they make the OS too. But email is an essential feature and Mac OS should come with a mail client. But CTM is to blame too, they haven't been keeping PM up to date. It still doesn't even have sheets, a feature added in Mac OS X 10.0, 8 years ago. Keeping an application up to date with Mac OS is not trivial, you know. PowerMail's foundation were built on the Mac OS 8 days, using PowerPlant which was the most used GUI framework at this time (also used by some Apple applications, like Finder and iTunes IIRC). Since then, Apple came with a new framework (carbon HIViews), that can't be fully adopted using PowerPlant. A new version of PowerPlant based on HIViews, PowerPlant X, was started by Metrowerks, but there was no easy migration path from PowerPlant to PowerPlant X; and PowerPlant X has never been finished and is now abandoned. Carbon HIViews itself is now being abandoned by Apple (it will never support 64 bits). During this period, we also had to change lots of things: transition to Carbon APIs, transition to the CFM binary format of Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X's MachO; transition to resource based application files to file packages; transition from the CodeWarrior compiler to Xcode; transition from PPC to intel; etc... Some technologies we have been using in PM 3 or 4 have been abandoned by Apple: HTML Rendering, AIAT (sherlock's indexing engine), OpenTransport... Concerning the Apple Address Book, it does not have the same feature set than PM's address book. Instead of dropping our address book and fully adopting Apple's one (which can be abandoned by Apple at any new major Mac OS X release...), we chose to implement a synchronization mechanism. So, yes, PM is not fully up to date with Mac OS. But doing so would require to spend 95% of our time rewriting things just to be up to date. We chose to be up to date for important things (Mac OS 9 - Mac OS X, PPC - intel...), but not for things that require a lot of work for a minor feature (supporting sheets would have require to adopt PowerPlant X), and not for things that Apple can abandon any time like the Address Book APIs. Jérôme - CTM Engineering - Powermail's search capabilities, already mind-boggling fast, seem to be even faster. You'll never say I think I have that in an email somewhere, ever again. Because, you'll know in a half second. PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
I've avoided Apple's Mail application, having been an avid PowerMail user for 10-years now (since May of 1999) That's 9-years though. Picky-Pickerton, so I'm not big on detail, don't let that distract you from the point. The Cloud are awfully tempting. The Cloud is the direction of the future (GoogleApps, MobileMe etc), and eventually I will give in and make the move, unless... What are the tempting features for you? I thought I was pretty clear with that initially, but here goes... the features of MobileMe and the mail-push, server-side constant updating of multiple computers from The Cloud are awfully tempting. Shall I repeat that? the features of MobileMe and the mail-push, server-side constant updating of multiple computers from The Cloud are awfully tempting. Hope that helps... -- If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
So, yes, PM is not fully up to date with Mac OS. But doing so would require to spend 95% of our time rewriting things just to be up to date. We chose to be up to date for important things (Mac OS 9 - Mac OS X, PPC - intel...), but not for things that require a lot of work for a minor feature (supporting sheets would have require to adopt PowerPlant X), and not for things that Apple can abandon any time like the Address Book APIs. So Jerome, regarding the initial question, if it were my decision to eventually move from PM to Mail because the push services were not to be offered at all then I should probably do it ASAP to account for the small degree of arc in my learning curve. Do you foresee the possibility of PM going in that direction, or should I go ahead and start dumbing- down. I'll miss everything I have come to appreciate and enjoy about PM; the staff's attention to users concerns, the community that has contributed, and mostly the interface that has been my email experience for so long. But considering the changes that have occurred over the years of using PM and the changes that are to come in the near future, having email (at least) files updated on ALL computers at ALL times (I use a laptop, desktop and iPhone) is too compelling to avoid. If you feel you can't comment publicly Jerome because you might advocate a switch, feel free to write me directly. I know this thread moved away slightly from my initial inquiry, but I'm really curious about the future of push services and what your (and other's) take might be. Regards... Steve -- Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
Steve Tarpin wrote at 6:04 PM (-0400) on 6/20/08: I'm really curious about the future of push services and what your (and other's) take might be. Pardon me if I'm coming late to the party here, but from what I've gathered, push in this context simply means IMAP; is that correct? And the salient point is that PM has crappy IMAP support? Or are there further issues also? (I use both PM and Apple Mail: of course I've used PM for years with POP3 for all my personal and business stuff. But at the day job I started a few months ago I'm using an IMAP box, which is simply infeasible with PM but at which Apple Mail excels.) -b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
Steve Tarpin said: I've avoided Apple's Mail application, having been an avid PowerMail user for 10-years now (since May of 1999) That's 9-years though. The Cloud are awfully tempting. The Cloud is the direction of the future (GoogleApps, MobileMe etc), and eventually I will give in and make the move, unless... What are the tempting features for you? Mikael Technoids: PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
Sean McBride said: Well, Apple currently provides developers with a .Mac SDK, so they may expand it to cover these new features. Or not. We'll see. And if CTM knows, they're under NDA. But 3rd Party developers will always be behind Apple in this regard, since of course teams within Apple get to use each other's code before any of us. And judging by the mediocre integration with Address Book (SDK introduced in 10.2), I'm pessimistic. :( I feel Apple is to blame here. What was the problem if the answer is to kill applications on the Mac platform? Mikael Technoids: PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail
Steve Tarpin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-16 1:19 PM said: I've avoided Apple's Mail application, having been an avid PowerMail user for 10-years now (since May of 1999). In all honesty, the features of MobileMe and the mail-push, server-side constant updating of multiple computers from The Cloud are awfully tempting. The Cloud is the direction of the future (GoogleApps, MobileMe etc), and eventually I will give in and make the move, unless... I guess this question is for Jerome and development team or anyone in the know, but is there the possibility that Apple will share the cloud so that applications OTHER than native apps will operate on MobileMe? Any buzz at all in that regard? What would it take for CTM to offer such a service, even though if (this) one were to be paying the $99 to Apple already, I would be hard-pressed to pay additional money for the same (albeit better) piece of their overall package. I think I'm reading the writing on the wall in reference to The Cloud, if small software developers don't adapt, they will eventually be left behind. This is the only reason I would abandon PowerMail, but for me it is a compelling reason, and will become more evident as time rolls forward. Well, Apple currently provides developers with a .Mac SDK, so they may expand it to cover these new features. Or not. We'll see. And if CTM knows, they're under NDA. But 3rd Party developers will always be behind Apple in this regard, since of course teams within Apple get to use each other's code before any of us. And judging by the mediocre integration with Address Book (SDK introduced in 10.2), I'm pessimistic. :( Sean
