Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0? Updater
listes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, you first wrote that the assistant did not create the script you wanted, so I suggested you replace the assistant by creating it yourself, which you did, as far as I understand :-) Yes, it's good that it works manually. I was more interested in finding the cause. I have sent some settings to CTM, so they can look into the problem. PM 5.0 | OS X 10.3.4 | Powerbook G4/400 | 384 MB RAM | 30 GB HD
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0? Updater
Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, the assistant is not creating the second script spam : actions. What about creating it manually? What do you mean exactly? I made my own Spamscript action filter and it seems to work fine. This should never be necessary. Well, you first wrote that the assistant did not create the script you wanted, so I suggested you replace the assistant by creating it yourself, which you did, as far as I understand :-) Hervé -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0? Updater
Michael Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, we found the issue in the end with Jérôme: there was an empty sender in the list containing the addresses already sent to, and because many spams are without senders, SpamSieve considered that these empty senders where to be whitelisted (!) Or, rather, PowerMail whitelisted it before it got to the step of asking SpamSieve what it thought. yes, I agree -sorry -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0? Updater
listes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, the assistant is not creating the second script spam : actions. What about creating it manually? What do you mean exactly? I made my own Spamscript action filter and it seems to work fine. This should never be necessary. However, I couldn't change the Spam Value slider, so that's possibly subject to another spam report. I just have to rule out some stuff I did first, to make sure it actually *is* some kind of bug. PM 5.0 | OS X 10.3.4 | Powerbook G4/400 | 384 MB RAM | 30 GB HD
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0? Updater
On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:24 PM, listes wrote: In my case, we found the issue in the end with Jérôme: there was an empty sender in the list containing the addresses already sent to, and because many spams are without senders, SpamSieve considered that these empty senders where to be whitelisted (!) Or, rather, PowerMail whitelisted it before it got to the step of asking SpamSieve what it thought. -- Michael Tsai http://www.c-command.com
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0? Updater
An updater on this problem. I also have had similar problems to what have been mentioned in this thread earlier, in PM 5.x and with Spamsieve 2.1.4. In my case, the assistant is not creating the second script spam : actions. So the spam, correctly given a spam value, ends up in my inbox. Am I alone in this or can anyone else with similar problems report that this problem exists? I have several more spamrelated problems, but I have to try and more sense in what is happening before I report.
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
gunnar madsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in contact with Jerome, and worked out, to my satisfaction, a solution. It may not apply to all of you... The problem filter was To or cc Does not use your real name. It turns out that roughly half of the spam coming to me used my name in the address, and so roughly half the spam was not being identified. Since I deleted the problem filter, spamsieve's performance has been nearly flawless. Thank you Gunnar, I did also remove the condition related to my real name quite a while ago. I am now running only on the two criteria not in adressbook and not in recent, the effect of last one being inverted AFAIK. What strikes me is, during all the beta releases and maybe even a while at the beggining of PM5, it was not. I still wonder wether there is somewhere a prefs file I didn't rebuild... Does anyone knows where these filter settings are stored? Hervé -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
I've been in contact with Jerome, and worked out, to my satisfaction, a solution. It may not apply to all of you... The problem filter was To or cc Does not use your real name. It turns out that roughly half of the spam coming to me used my name in the address, and so roughly half the spam was not being identified. Since I deleted the problem filter, spamsieve's performance has been nearly flawless. In what may be a side issue, the spammers who use my real name are sending spam messages that generally consist of quoted text (Shakespeare, user manuals, etc.). I don't know if spamsieve would be able to detect the spamminess in the body of such messages, and I'm sure it's building up the corpus like gangbusters. At any rate, these messages are being tagged as spam due to headers or addresses or something else. yours, Gunnar Madsen -- Gee, Spot! Records http://www.gunnarmadsen.com PowerMail Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I think by doing this you just skip the is not in previous testing. On my side I *inverted* this last setting: indeed my setup is ALL / from/send not in address / is in previous : apparently idiot, but I feel this not in previous menu text does the contrary of what it says... I think that is in previous recipients and is not in previous recipients works as expected. Jérôme I am sorry, but I *really* have an isue here, the same as Marlyse. If for instance I reset the Spamsieve conditions by running the spam setup assistant from the prefs, and ask successively for the three conditions that lead to the usual setup (not in previous, etc.), all new spam jumps right in my incoming folder and I can perfectly see SpamSieve is not activated (it is not even launched if it doesn't run). I discussed this issue at length in this very list just a week ago. I reinstalled PM5 entierely, etc. In the end I discovered that suppressing the incoming conditions (asking for a SpamSieve evaluation always) did work. Then I reintroduced the filters one at a time, and I found the faulty one being indeed if sender not in recent that never triggers. At present time I can ensure you my settings are - if sender not in AdBk AND - if sender IS in recents then evaluate spam and this, works. If I switch the second condition to is not, SpamSieve is just not used, and all spam flies through. As I mentioned, this may be a mistranslation in french (here I see PM in french) I also think that you should use all conditions. Of course. If you use any condition, all messages will be passed to SpamSieve, except when the sender in both in your address book AND in your recipient history AND the message is addressed using your real name. That is typically too restrictive. Try it: with just not in address alone, it will work, with not in previous alone, it won't. Probably because this sender is in your address book, but you have never sent a message to this address in PM 5 (the previous recipients list did not exist in PM 4)? No. In one of my accounts I get 100 spams/day, and for sure senders are not all in my addressbook. -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
PowerMail Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I think by doing this you just skip the is not in previous testing. On my side I *inverted* this last setting: indeed my setup is ALL / from/send not in address / is in previous : apparently idiot, but I feel this not in previous menu text does the contrary of what it says... I think that is in previous recipients and is not in previous recipients works as expected. Jérôme I am sorry, but I *really* have an isue here, the same as Marlyse. If for instance I reset the Spamsieve conditions by running the spam setup assistant from the prefs, and ask successively for the three conditions that lead to the usual setup (not in previous, etc.), all new spam jumps right in my incoming folder and I can perfectly see SpamSieve is not activated (it is not even launched if it doesn't run). I discussed this issue at length in this very list just a week ago. I reinstalled PM5 entierely, etc. In the end I discovered that suppressing the incoming conditions (asking for a SpamSieve evaluation always) did work. Then I reintroduced the filters one at a time, and I found the faulty one being indeed if sender not in recent that never triggers. At present time I can ensure you my settings are - if sender not in AdBk AND - if sender IS in recents then evaluate spam and this, works. If I switch the second condition to is not, SpamSieve is just not used, and all spam flies through. As I mentioned, this may be a mistranslation in french (here I see PM in french) I also think that you should use all conditions. Of course. If you use any condition, all messages will be passed to SpamSieve, except when the sender in both in your address book AND in your recipient history AND the message is addressed using your real name. That is typically too restrictive. Try it: with just not in address alone, it will work, with not in previous alone, it won't. Probably because this sender is in your address book, but you have never sent a message to this address in PM 5 (the previous recipients list did not exist in PM 4)? No. In one of my accounts I get 100 spams/day, and for sure senders are not all in my addressbook. -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
Marlyse Comte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I deleted the extra copy of SS that was downloaded with PM5 2. Under Spam:Evaluate I changed the setting from all conditions are met to any condition is met Okay, I changed mine now also from ALL to ANY - is this new that it should be ANY ? no, I think by doing this you just skip the is not in previous testing. On my side I *inverted* this last setting: indeed my setup is ALL / from/send not in address / is in previous : apparently idiot, but I feel this not in previous menu text does the contrary of what it says... Try it: with just not in address alone, it will work, with not in previous alone, it won't. -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
Since 2 days I am experiencing the same problem. The first week or so after the upgrade it all worked fine. The only changes I've done during the past 2 days (since the problem begun to occur) was to create some new filters and to adjust some existing ones. I did not touch the existing spam filters though. Another thing I noticed is that when using Mark as SPAM it does not set the label to spam (as it did). Applying the Spam: actions filter after marking as spam, will correctly label the spam. ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - Having a similar problem to Gunnar. I can't see that I have another version of SpamS. running, but the Stats for SS do not indicate any messages going into Filtered Mail or changing the SS accuracy listing, but each manually marked Spam message does go into the Corpus count. I have an other test installation on a separate machine, with the same filtering settings as far as I can tell, and it seems to be working OK with new messages increasing the Filtered Mail count. Puzzled. -merrill
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
I had some initial trouble with Spamsieve under PM5, however it's now working okay and I have *not* had to set my SPAM: Evaluation filter to 'Always'. It is set to 'Sender is not in address book', as set by the Spam Filter Assistant. The problem turned out to be the fact that I didn't notice that there was a version of SpamSieve in the PM5 folder that I downloaded (makes sense I guess since the download process is separate from the license purchasing process). Evidently the system was having difficulty deciding which copy of SS to send the message to and so the message was falling between two stools. Deleting the version of Spam Sieve that was in the PM folder solved the problem. Hope this helps; Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.3.2 :: PM 5.0b12 :: 3 pane mode -- Original message: Received from Andy Fragen on 30/5/04 at 10:18 pm Is your [spam: evalutate] filter set to [always]? -- Andy Fragen On Sun, May 30, 2004, Gunnar Madsen said: I'd had spamsieve for a couple of weeks with the 4.x version of PM, and it was working beautifully. I've upgraded to PM 5.0, and something's not right now. Only 1/3 to 1/2 of spam is identified correctly - the rest is going in my inbox. I dutifully mark them all as spam, and when I check the stats in SS, it seems to be adding the messages to the corpus, but it rarely claims any of them as false positives, and trumpets its performance as 95% or more. I must be doing something wrong - but what? I've tried all kinds of variations with the spam filter assistant, and with the SS preferences. TIA
Re: Spamsieve not working in 5.0?
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Is your [spam: evalutate] filter set to [always]? -- Andy Fragen On Sun, May 30, 2004, Gunnar Madsen said: I'd had spamsieve for a couple of weeks with the 4.x version of PM, and it was working beautifully. I've upgraded to PM 5.0, and something's not right now. Only 1/3 to 1/2 of spam is identified correctly - the rest is going in my inbox. I dutifully mark them all as spam, and when I check the stats in SS, it seems to be adding the messages to the corpus, but it rarely claims any of them as false positives, and trumpets its performance as 95% or more. I must be doing something wrong - but what? I've tried all kinds of variations with the spam filter assistant, and with the SS preferences. TIA 0s 10.2.8 PM 5.0 Spamsieve 2.1.4 Gunnar Madsen -- Gee, Spot! Records http://www.gunnarmadsen.com Ants in My Pants! - Winner of a 2002 Parents' Choice GOLD Award as witty as all get-out and unexpectedly touching, too - Los Angeles Times
