Re: Sound still disappears from PM
I'm thinking that the problem might be originating with iChat. I just restarted iChat and I think that it reinstated the sound alerts. I say *think* because I hadn't asked Powermail to do anything that would generate a sound for a while, so it might have gotten its sounds back earlier. But iChat is top candidate right now. My iChat has the Chax modifier applied to it, anyone else? Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode Shark Attack: A Design Studio www.sharkattack.co.uk -- Original message: Received from Peter Baral on 25/11/06 at 09:13 Exactly the same symptoms here, except that I'm using Apple Mail instead of PowerMail. So it seems to be unrelated to PowerMail. I guess that the sounds are gone on sleep/wake up. All sounds are back on restart of the Mac. Just reinstalled the Mac OS X 10.4.8 COMBO Update and sounds are back for the last day or so. Hope this solves this issue
Re: Sound still disappears from PM
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 13:01 +, Rick Lecoat wrote: I'm thinking that the problem might be originating with iChat. Not here; I've never used iChat. But my symptoms are different from yours anyway - IIRC all your system sounds disappear along with PM's. That doesn't happen here. -- TimH PowerMail 5.5.2 (build 4475) | OS X 10.4.8 | PowerBook FW/500 | 640MB RAM
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Yeah, all my alert sounds. 'Played' sounds, eg iTunes and QT, still function normally, as do the feedback sounds when changing volume with the keyboard -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode Shark Attack: A Design Studio www.sharkattack.co.uk -- Original message: Received from Tim Hodgson on 13/12/06 at 13:26 Not here; I've never used iChat. But my symptoms are different from yours anyway - IIRC all your system sounds disappear along with PM's. That doesn't happen here.
Re: Sound still disappears from PM
Exactly the same symptoms here, except that I'm using Apple Mail instead of PowerMail. So it seems to be unrelated to PowerMail. I guess that the sounds are gone on sleep/wake up. All sounds are back on restart of the Mac. Just reinstalled the Mac OS X 10.4.8 COMBO Update and sounds are back for the last day or so. Hope this solves this issue Regards, Peter Am 24.11.2006 um 14:29 schrieb Rick Lecoat: Following on from the posts (partially-) quoted below, I can confirm the following: 1. My PM alert sounds have disappeared again (a few hours ago in fact, no idea of the trigger). 2. The Mac's alert sounds are also kaput -- no 'whoop' in iChat for example, and nothing heard if I tinker with the Sound Effects panel of the Sound Prefs Pane (changing the alert sound or moving the Alert Volume slider, for example). So it is not restricted to PM. 3. iTunes plays fine as do QT movies. 4. Changing the Output Volume (whether via the Output Volume slider in Sound Prefs Pane or by hitting my vol up/down keys) does still deliver the 'volume change' feedback noise. 5. Neither changing PM's alert sound in PM prefs *nor* changing the alert volume in Sound Prefs Pane causes anything to be written to system.log, according to Console. So... where does this leave us? Is it unrelated to PM? Or is PM triggering an audio alert fallover at system level? It's a bit beyond my diagnostic skills at this point. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.1 :: 3 pane mode Shark Attack: A Design Studio www.sharkattack.co.uk -- Peter BaralMedienwerkstatt Muehlacker Verlagsgesellschaft m.b.H. +-+-+-+-+-+ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de
Re: Sound still disappears from PM
Following on from the posts (partially-) quoted below, I can confirm the following: 1. My PM alert sounds have disappeared again (a few hours ago in fact, no idea of the trigger). 2. The Mac's alert sounds are also kaput -- no 'whoop' in iChat for example, and nothing heard if I tinker with the Sound Effects panel of the Sound Prefs Pane (changing the alert sound or moving the Alert Volume slider, for example). So it is not restricted to PM. 3. iTunes plays fine as do QT movies. 4. Changing the Output Volume (whether via the Output Volume slider in Sound Prefs Pane or by hitting my vol up/down keys) does still deliver the 'volume change' feedback noise. 5. Neither changing PM's alert sound in PM prefs *nor* changing the alert volume in Sound Prefs Pane causes anything to be written to system.log, according to Console. So... where does this leave us? Is it unrelated to PM? Or is PM triggering an audio alert fallover at system level? It's a bit beyond my diagnostic skills at this point. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.1 :: 3 pane mode Shark Attack: A Design Studio www.sharkattack.co.uk -- I wrote: I'm still finding that after a while the alert sounds (well, all the sounds) from Powermail are being silenced. I have no idea what triggers it -- maybe something to do with iTunes or Quicktime? -- but it's actually rather annoying and more of a productivity block than I wold have expected. Then Hiro wrote: I don't think I have ever seen anyone reported this. When you lost PM sound, you are sure your Mac alert is still alive? When you lost PM sound, open Console.app, have it display system.log, go to PM pref and make PM sound by selecting different sound. Do you see any new error entry in system.log
Re: Sound still disappears from PM
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 1:29 pm +, Rick Lecoat wrote: Following on from the posts (partially-) quoted below, I can confirm the following: 1. My PM alert sounds have disappeared again (a few hours ago in fact, no idea of the trigger). 2. The Mac's alert sounds are also kaput -- no 'whoop' in iChat for example, and nothing heard if I tinker with the Sound Effects panel of the Sound Prefs Pane (changing the alert sound or moving the Alert Volume slider, for example). So it is not restricted to PM. That's not the case here. Currently I have no sound in PM, but Sound Effect changes are audible. So... where does this leave us? Is it unrelated to PM? Or is PM triggering an audio alert fallover at system level? It's a bit beyond my diagnostic skills at this point. Looks like it's also frustratingly inconsistent! -- TimH PowerMail 5.5.1 (build 4465) | OS X 10.4.8 | PowerBook FW/500 | 640MB RAM
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On 11/24/06, at 1:29 PM, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 3. iTunes plays fine as do QT movies. I realize that you say that QT movies play fine so my suggestion is counter-intuitive, but here goes. I lost sound in QT movies and nothing helped until someone told me to start up GarageBand and then quit it. Miraculously, the sound returned. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Sound still disappears from PM
If you create a new account and run PM under that account, can you reproduce the sound problem? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com
Re: Sound still disappears from PM
On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 1:07 pm +, Tim Hodgson wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 12:47 pm -0500, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Rick Lecoat / 2006/11/10 / 09:20 AM wrote: I'm still finding that after a while the alert sounds (well, all the sounds) from Powermail are being silenced. I don't think I have ever seen anyone reported this. When you lost PM sound, you are sure your Mac alert is still alive? Seems to be my week for confirming bugs. Yes, I get this as well, and normal system sounds are fine. Have you tried removing PM pref? Just did this, which of course involves quitting PM, so I don't know whether that alone would have restored sound. I'll see what happens. Sound disappeared again, so corrupt prefs doesn't seem to be the culprit. -- TimH PowerMail 5.5.1 (build 4465) | OS X 10.4.8 | PowerBook FW/500 | 640MB RAM
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Rick Lecoat / 2006/11/10 / 09:20 AM wrote: I'm still finding that after a while the alert sounds (well, all the sounds) from Powermail are being silenced. I don't think I have ever seen anyone reported this. When you lost PM sound, you are sure your Mac alert is still alive? When you lost PM sound, open Console.app, have it display system.log, go to PM pref and make PM sound by selecting different sound. Do you see any new error entry in system.log? Have you tried removing PM pref? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com
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On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 12:47 pm -0500, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Rick Lecoat / 2006/11/10 / 09:20 AM wrote: I'm still finding that after a while the alert sounds (well, all the sounds) from Powermail are being silenced. I don't think I have ever seen anyone reported this. When you lost PM sound, you are sure your Mac alert is still alive? Seems to be my week for confirming bugs. Yes, I get this as well, and normal system sounds are fine. When you lost PM sound, open Console.app, have it display system.log, go to PM pref and make PM sound by selecting different sound. Do you see any new error entry in system.log? No. Have you tried removing PM pref? Just did this, which of course involves quitting PM, so I don't know whether that alone would have restored sound. I'll see what happens. -- TimH PowerMail 5.5 (build 4456) | OS X 10.4.7 | PowerBook FW/500 | 640MB RAM
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Forgot to ask. Is this an Intel Mac specific issue? -- - Hiro
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On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 1:16 pm -0500, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Forgot to ask. Is this an Intel Mac specific issue? No - see my sig :) -- TimH PowerMail 5.5 (build 4456) | OS X 10.4.7 | PowerBook FW/500 | 640MB RAM
Sound still disappears from PM
I'm still finding that after a while the alert sounds (well, all the sounds) from Powermail are being silenced. I have no idea what triggers it -- maybe something to do with iTunes or Quicktime? -- but it's actually rather annoying and more of a productivity block than I wold have expected. I'm not so bothered about losing the sounds effect for when I send mail, because I know that I've done it; it's more the alerts for new mail that are conspicuous by their absence. The only way to rectify the problem is to quit and restart Powermail -- which gets me back to my most-often-moaned-about issue: the emptying of the recent mail window at restart. It's been over a month since I've jumped up on this soapbox, but I figure that if a new version of PM has come out in the intervening time that has not addressed the matter, then I'm allowed to bleat on about it again like a cracked record. So here goes: The Recent Mail Window (RMW) is a major centre of productivity for me; mail stays there until I decide to either read it, delete it, or whatever. I treat it like a Things still to act on tray and it performs this function superbly because it pulls together all the mail that has been shifted, upon arrival, into hundred of sub folders by my vast phalanx of filters. This works wonderfully, until I need to restart Powermail, which clears the RMW. Suddenly I am forced to hunt through all those folders looking for messages that until a moment ago were conveniently shown together in Recent Mail, so the memory-jogging value of the RMW is entirely lost. The result is that I try and avoid shutting down PM if at all possible. This means I delay in compacting my mailboxes, I put up with glitches like the loss of sound (noted above) for longer than I would otherwise need to, and -- most important by FAR -- I delay in making backups of my data, because to do so safely I need to quit PM. So, as far as I am concerned, PM interferes with my backup routines and that is a VERY BAD THING. ONE SINGLE CHANGE would make this problem go away: a simple preference to let me choose whether the RMW gets emptied at restart, or is retained. Is it really THAT hard? I've been asking for this since PM 4.1 -- that's over 3 years. C'mon CTM, you may as well do it... you *know* I'll just keep on badgering you until you do...;-) Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5b2 :: 3 pane mode Shark Attack: A Design Studio www.sharkattack.co.uk
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Yes, I'd like to see an option to retain the contents of the recent mail window after restarting, too. Paul Collett On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:20:21 + Rick Lecoat wrote: ONE SINGLE CHANGE would make this problem go away: a simple preference to let me choose whether the RMW gets emptied at restart, or is retained. Is it really THAT hard? I've been asking for this since PM 4.1 -- that's over 3 years.
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We need a definition of recent mail and then close the window when that definition is reached. The definition to be user-defined. recent = one day, for some recent = until I tell it to go away, for others and variations in between. Paul Collett wrote: Yes, I'd like to see an option to retain the contents of the recent mail window after restarting, too. Paul Collett On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:20:21 + Rick Lecoat wrote: ONE SINGLE CHANGE would make this problem go away: a simple preference to let me choose whether the RMW gets emptied at restart, or is retained. Is it really THAT hard? I've been asking for this since PM 4.1 -- that's over 3 years.
Recent Mail - was: Sound still disappears from PM
Hi, I too live in recent mail and would like this feature, though I think not as much as Rick wants it. :-) There are a number of interface issues that would need to be addressed though, for example: * If we can retain recent mail across PM launches then we should have a button (or something) that will let me say Clear recent mail folder. * if I still have PM collect as it starts up then I may end up with a mix of old recent mail and new. How does that get sorted out? For now I guess I'd have to either now auto collect or try to remember to purge recent as I quit. Hmmm. Bruce MacBook Pro 2GHz :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5 :: 2 pane mode :: 33k messages -- Bruce BarrettSee my website at: http://www.earthreflections.com As Rick Lecoat wrote... ONE SINGLE CHANGE would make this problem go away: a simple preference to let me choose whether the RMW gets emptied at restart, or is retained.
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Bruce Barrett wrote: * If we can retain recent mail across PM launches then we should have a button (or something) that will let me say Clear recent mail folder. There is already: Remove read and Remove all as toolbar buttons in the RMW. * if I still have PM collect as it starts up then I may end up with a mix of old recent mail and new. How does that get sorted out? As soon as you are done with handling Recent Mail, click Remove all. Regardless if you relaunch in-between or not, you will always get presented with the mail you haven't handled yet. Regards, Christian.
Re: Recent Mail - was: Sound still disappears from PM
Ah, there wasn't (I guess not ion the default set) but there is now :-) Thanks! -- Bruce BarrettSee my website at: http://www.earthreflections.com As Christian Roth wrote... There is already: Remove read and Remove all as toolbar buttons in the RMW.
