Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

[Jaime Vasquez]

Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
> 
> I would love a screen shot of the 'never!' message. 
> 
> Whil
> 

For your eyes pleasure:


http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png




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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Weller wrote:

>> ("What's a 'Cubit'?")
>>
>
> The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally  
> taken to
> be 18".

Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently- 
too-obscure reference.

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

Why don't you start smoking weed around her give her a
head start for college?



--- Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ed Leafe wrote:
> > up first; the babies could only crawl on the floor
> a certain rooms  
> > that were cleaned daily, etc.
> >
> > Turns out that when these kids eventually go to
> school they end up  
> > being much, much more prone to getting sick, and
> when they do, they  
> > take longer to recover. 
> 
> This is EXACTLY why my wife and I made the decision
> to not keep a 
> spotless house.  It's for the health and immune
> system of our daughter.  
> If were up to us, our house would look like Martha
> Stewart was our 
> maid.  If we didn't have a daughter, we'd keep the
> house spotless, but 
> we're sacrificing our urge to clean for her sake.
> 
> (I don't know what excuse we'll come up with when
> she goes to college, 
> but that's at least a decade away for now.)
> 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Vince Teachout]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> up first; the babies could only crawl on the floor a certain rooms  
> that were cleaned daily, etc.
>
>   Turns out that when these kids eventually go to school they end up  
> being much, much more prone to getting sick, and when they do, they  
> take longer to recover. 

This is EXACTLY why my wife and I made the decision to not keep a 
spotless house.  It's for the health and immune system of our daughter.  
If were up to us, our house would look like Martha Stewart was our 
maid.  If we didn't have a daughter, we'd keep the house spotless, but 
we're sacrificing our urge to clean for her sake.

(I don't know what excuse we'll come up with when she goes to college, 
but that's at least a decade away for now.)


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[OT] Rosie blows up at Babs Walters

[Michael Madigan]

http://www.nypost. com/seven/ 01092007/gossip/pagesix/
pagesix.htm
 
"Cameras are now outside of my house where my wife and
kids are." She turned to Walters and said, "You went
all around this and never called [Trump] a liar. You
never said, 'Donald is lying.' You never called him a
liar." 

Oh yeah, your wife and kids.  LMAO  


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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

I can see Retardo and Toshi playing escaped slave /
Plantation owner's wife roll play.

--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:21, Ricardo Aráoz
> wrote:
> > Michael Madigan wrote:
> > > He can breath a sigh of relief now.
> >
> > Now don't get jealous Mike. You know he belongs to
> you.
> 
> Hi Ricardo!
> 
> Following your line of logic, we know you belong to
> Helio.
> >
> > > --- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >> Pete,
> > >>
> > >> Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no
> consequence
> > >> to you or anyone else
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
> 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

There's a huge-breasted woman who works as a teller at
my bank who always wears really low-cut outfits.  You
would have to be blind not to look.  I bet gay men and
straight women stare too.  It is awfully hard not to
compliment her.




--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:39, Michael Madigan
> wrote:
> > He can breath a sigh of relief now.
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> It used to be that you could compliment a woman on
> her attractiveness without 
> being seen to be implying that he wanted an improper
> relationship with her. 
> This has changed in the last thirty years. Now,
> everything a man says is seen 
> in a negative light.
> >
> > --- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Pete,
> > >
> > > Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no
> consequence
> > > to you or anyone else
> > > here. Who cares one way or another? I doubt you
> and
> > > I will ever meet, and if
> > > we do... Trust me, nothing is going to happen.
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
> 
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Chet Gardiner]

And they sponsor Thom Hartmann!

http://www.thomhartmann.com/

Thanks...

Ted Roche wrote:

>On 1/9/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>No place to buy OSX or iMacs though...  I guess Steve ordered them to
>>look more "corporate" this year...
>>
>>
>>
>
>Try http://www.smalldog.com - they're one of the top 5 online Mac
>retailers. And they've got cute dogs, too.
>
>  
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ted Roche]

On 1/9/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No place to buy OSX or iMacs though...  I guess Steve ordered them to
> look more "corporate" this year...
>

Try http://www.smalldog.com - they're one of the top 5 online Mac
retailers. And they've got cute dogs, too.

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Chet Gardiner]

Got'cha  :-)

Ed Leafe wrote:

>On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Chet Gardiner wrote:
>
>  
>
>>We went there to buy OSX (pronounced Oz - Ex?)
>>
>>
>
>   Oh - ess - ten
>
>-- Ed Leafe
>-- http://leafe.com
>-- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: (sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[Chet Gardiner]

Uh, that would be me...

Ted Roche wrote:

>On 1/9/07, Matthew Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?
>>
>>
>>
>
>No, somebody (and it wasn't Whil) made a big stink about a 'Softie
>trying to lay down a chilling effect on Whil doing a demo on Linux for
>Windows. Stink rolled uphill and got lots of nice press, even a
>Slashdotting, irrc
>
>Search for Whil's 'Visual FoxPro, Linux and the Jack of Hearts'
>retelling of the tale...
>
>In my opinion, I don't think MS wanted to make any kind of a stink at
>all. I think they just wanted to whisper a threat at the right time
>and place. I suspect that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on.
>However, I'm not willing to spend time in court debating the issue.
>I'll choose vendors that want to accomodate "where I want to go
>today."
>
>  
>
>>If MS let's Access play with the other kids, why not VFP?
>>
>>
>
>Does MS "let" Access? Or do they have a EULA as chilling as ours?
>
>  
>


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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Chet Gardiner wrote:

> We went there to buy OSX (pronounced Oz - Ex?)

Oh - ess - ten

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead! [OT]

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:38, Chet Gardiner wrote:
> AT&T and Verizon are evil.
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
> http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6071780.html
>
> I switched to Working Assets...
>
> http://www.workingassetswireless.com/
>
> Working Assets good.

Hi Chet!

Except that they support these lunatic left wing "charities". Oh, yeah - [OT]!

:-)
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Re: VFP7: Not Enough Memory!

[MB Software Solutions]

David Crooks wrote:
> I am stuck on this error!  I Packed the table that I thought had the
> problem but the error is still showing up. TIA!
>
>   

Did you do like another person said and set the SET TABLEVALIDATE value?

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Chet Gardiner]

MacWorld in S.F. looked pretty lively today.

Lots of Mac Geeks.  HUGE Apple "display"...

No place to buy OSX or iMacs though...  I guess Steve ordered them to 
look more "corporate" this year...

We went there to buy OSX (pronounced Oz - Ex?) and some memory.  No joy!



Ed Leafe wrote:

>   Long live Apple, Inc.!
>
>
>-- Ed Leafe
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>-- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Chet Gardiner]

AT&T and Verizon are evil.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6071780.html

I switched to Working Assets...

http://www.workingassetswireless.com/

Working Assets good.



Ed Leafe wrote:

>On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I thought that it was only me that the saw Cingular as the lame device
>>company.
>>
>>
>
>   Why do you say that? (Besides obviously not being a Cingular  
>customer). Besides, Cingular doesn't make the device; they provide  
>the network.
>
>   I got nothing but grief when I used Verizon. I've been happy with  
>Cingular, especially since they merged with AT&T.
>
>-- Ed Leafe
>-- http://leafe.com
>-- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:21, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > He can breath a sigh of relief now.
>
> Now don't get jealous Mike. You know he belongs to you.

Hi Ricardo!

Following your line of logic, we know you belong to Helio.
>
> > --- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Pete,
> >>
> >> Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no consequence
> >> to you or anyone else

-- 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> He can breath a sigh of relief now.
> 

Now don't get jealous Mike. You know he belongs to you.

> 
> --- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Pete,
>>
>> Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no consequence
>> to you or anyone else
>> here. Who cares one way or another? I doubt you and
>> I will ever meet, and if
>> we do... Trust me, nothing is going to happen.
>>
>> Kristyne McDaniel
>> http://www.mcstyles.com
>> http://www.mcteachoncoins.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:39, Michael Madigan wrote:
> He can breath a sigh of relief now.

Hi Michael!

It used to be that you could compliment a woman on her attractiveness without 
being seen to be implying that he wanted an improper relationship with her. 
This has changed in the last thirty years. Now, everything a man says is seen 
in a negative light.
>
> --- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pete,
> >
> > Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no consequence
> > to you or anyone else
> > here. Who cares one way or another? I doubt you and
> > I will ever meet, and if
> > we do... Trust me, nothing is going to happen.
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

At least not without a latex glove.


--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 11:19, Kristyne McDaniel
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristyne!
> 
> It was a joke - Mike was ragging you and I was just
> pointing out the other  
> possibility. I wasn't trying to touch your nerves.
> 
> > Pete,
> >
> > Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no
> consequence to you or anyone else
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

I agree because I've seen it.



--- "Helio W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think you're wrong Kristyne, there's much
> scientific work behind these
> "theories" and plenty and strong evidence. And the
> brain IS a bio-chemical
> "machine". From what I read, real science already
> buried most of classic
> psychoanalysis two decades ago.
> 
> And in actuality what you said can be related to
> psychologists, who talk,
> talk, talk and when the patient improves (sometimes
> year and years after, if
> they don't commit suicide before) they theorize it
> is because the patient
> remembered and confronted a harmful experience from
> it's childhood that was
> buried deep inside her/his superego/ego/id or
> something like that.
> 
> HW
> 
> 
> On 1/9/07, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There's always going to be two points of view on
> that until medical
> > sciences
> > gets further along. The chemical imbalance theory
> is a theory without a
> > lot
> > of proof behind it yet. Doctors test out pills and
> people say they feel
> > better. They theorize it is because a chemical
> imbalance was corrected.
> 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

I have a friend who has been on Zoloft for 15 years. 
She recently tried weening herself off under doctors
supervision and the depression came back.  So in her
case it is completely a chemical imbalance, although
it is triggered by events and situations.

I have known at least 3 people that have been helped
incredibly by Zoloft and Prozac.  It's too bad more
people don't seek help.



--- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Kristyne McDaniel
> wrote:
> 
> > If that were true talk therapy would never work.
> 
>   'Depression' is like 'cancer': a single word to
> describe a wide  
> variety of problems that manifest themselves
> similarly. Chemical  
> imbalances cannot be talked away.
> 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

Many of these kids are being brought up with no
religion too.




--- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Kristyne McDaniel
> wrote:
> 
> >> Yeap, give a problem a little time, and it will
> pass.  Suicide is a
> >> permanent solution to a temporary problem.
> >
> > That's one of the best things parents and adults
> can help teens to
> > understand. When you're a kid and everything seems
> to be so  
> > important, it is
> > difficult to get an accurate fix on where your
> problems fit in with  
> > the rest
> > of your life. If you don't have adults around that
> you respect and  
> > can talk
> > to, you can wind up killing yourself over a
> temporary problem. It  
> > is easy to
> > work yourself up when your emotions are raw.
> 
>   While all of this is certainly true, it is also the
> case that  
> clinical depression usually first manifests itself
> in these years.  
> When someone has this condition, it doesn't matter
> how much talking  
> is done, or how much you try to reason with the
> person. They are  
> simply incapable of seeing things as being any
> different than they  
> feel at that moment. People without depression who
> are going through  
> tough emotional times can understand that it may
> pass and can imagine  
> feeling better at some point in the future; people
> with depression  
> simply cannot.
> 
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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

My girlfriend's friend from high school just lost her
17 yo son to suicide last week.  The kid hanged
himself.  I wonder if all the Saddam talk gave him the
idea.




--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Leland,
> 
> > Yeap, give a problem a little time, and it will
> pass.  Suicide is a 
> > permanent solution to a temporary problem.
> 
> That's one of the best things parents and adults can
> help teens to
> understand. When you're a kid and everything seems
> to be so important, it is
> difficult to get an accurate fix on where your
> problems fit in with the rest
> of your life. If you don't have adults around that
> you respect and can talk
> to, you can wind up killing yourself over a
> temporary problem. It is easy to
> work yourself up when your emotions are raw.
> 
> Steve taught high school and did a lot of suicide
> counseling with his
> students and others. He has an MA in human behavior
> and counseling, and a
> K-14 counseling credential, and did a lot of hours
> of training with Vietnam
> vets and battered women. For years he had kids
> calling him in the middle of
> the night when they were thinking of doing something
> stupid. As far as we
> know, none of the kids he counseled killed
> themselves.
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel
> http://www.mcstyles.com
> http://www.mcteachoncoins.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

Unless you're ugly.


--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeap, give a problem a little time, and it will
> pass.  Suicide is a 
> permanent solution to a temporary problem.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> 
> >Leland,
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Expectations created from imaginary fantasies
> based on emails 
> >>should not create such reactions.  How can someone
> become so
> >>in love with someone they have never physically
> meet?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The kid was 17 years old. He built up an imaginary
> woman in his mind and
> >reality could not compete with his imagination. 
> >
> >Emotions are at their most raw when a person is a
> teenager, and I think
> >teenage boys are more vulnerable than girls even
> though conventional wisdom
> >says the opposite. There are a lot of suicides in
> the teen years over things
> >that the rest of us all know are temporary
> problems.
> >
> >Kristyne McDaniel
> >http://www.mcstyles.com
> >http://www.mcteachoncoins.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Michael Madigan]

He can breath a sigh of relief now.


--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pete,
> 
> Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no consequence
> to you or anyone else
> here. Who cares one way or another? I doubt you and
> I will ever meet, and if
> we do... Trust me, nothing is going to happen.
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel
> http://www.mcstyles.com
> http://www.mcteachoncoins.com
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Stephen the Cook]

Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
> 
>> I thought that it was only me that the saw Cingular as the lame
>> device company.
> 
>   Why do you say that? (Besides obviously not being a Cingular
> customer). Besides, Cingular doesn't make the device; they provide
> the network.  
> 
>   I got nothing but grief when I used Verizon. I've been happy with
> Cingular, especially since they merged with AT&T. 

Phone selection is my primary issue.  The dead end selection is what I'm
trying to get past at least around here.  


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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:

> I thought that it was only me that the saw Cingular as the lame device
> company.

Why do you say that? (Besides obviously not being a Cingular  
customer). Besides, Cingular doesn't make the device; they provide  
the network.

I got nothing but grief when I used Verizon. I've been happy with  
Cingular, especially since they merged with AT&T.

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RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Stephen the Cook]

Justin Darnell <> wrote:
> Should be interesting to see how Cingular exclusivity hinders
> adoption of that nifty looking iPhone. 

I thought that it was only me that the saw Cingular as the lame device
company.  

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RE: [NF] SQL Server Management Studio Express

[Stephen the Cook]

MB Software Solutions <> wrote:
> Rick Schummer wrote:
>> I don't think he was referring to SQL Server 2005. I believe he is
>> referring to Management Studio for SQL Server *Express* is dog slow,
>> even on latest and greatest hardware. It is a pig and should be
>> considered an embarrassment to the SQL Server team. 
>> 
> Since the Express is the "free" version (correct me if I'm mistaken),
> perhaps they've intentionally made it slow so as to make the non-free
> version more appealing?  Just a WAG...  

In MSDE there was a governor.  In 2005 Express it's been removed.  The
difference is that Express WON'T use multiple processors if present, and has
an upper limit of ram, I think I remember 2 gig but who knows if that was
just during the beta phase.


So in Express they doubled the usable disk space, took away the concurrent
user limit, and added much better security if your using AD.





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RE: [NF] SQL Server Management Studio Express

[Stephen the Cook]

Rick Schummer <> wrote:
>>> Ok, what is slow?  The time to start it up, or the time to change
>>> db's or servers and have all
> those objects in the IDE?<<
> 
> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.  (attempting my best to not sound sarcastic, but
> it is all slow) 
> 
> I want to reiterate, I am referring to the SQL Express version, not
> the regular version. I have no idea if they are the same or different
> code bases and have not used the one that comes with the standard,
> developer, or enterprise edition of SQL Server 2005. My experience is
> on one machine that is a couple of years old with *only* 512MB RAM. I
> have seen it demoed by presenters and it appeared slow on their
> machines as well. Hopefully it is addressed in the service packs.

Ok.  I'll say the RAM volume is your problem that can be overcome.  

I don't have SQL Express installed, just SQL 2005 Developer.  I'm waiting on
getting the Data Buddy or the team Foundation version of SS2005 for this new
project I'm on.  

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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 16:40, Bill Anderson wrote:

Hi Bill!

Interesting, thanks. Looks like the only thing that matters to most of the 
Iraqis is money. The only question is what is the most effective way to bribe 
them and keep them bribed.

I didn't miss the part of the Iraqi guards gang raping the detainees and 
stealing their household goods.

> Lessons Not Learned
>
> 
>
> Been There, Done That, Not Over It
>
> 
>
> What's noteworthy is where these were published: Government Executive.
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[NF] Anyone seem O3Spaces yet?

[Stephen Russell]

Extending OpenOffice.org

O3Spaces technology enhances OpenOffice.org and StarOffice with an
integrated solution for Collaboration, Document Management and Document
Retention within teams and small businesses. O3Spaces provides the
OpenOffice 2.0 and StarOffice user community with a professional
out-of-the-box extension for team and project collaboration, O3Spaces means
an affordable and integrated alternative for MS Office Sharepoint.

I found it doing sharepoint research for a new project I'm on.



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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

[Eugene Vital]

Ted Roche wrote:
> "Expect 2007 to mark the beginning of the end of desktop software 
> development,"
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/08/02FEspendappdev_1.html
>
> or http://tinyurl.com/yj34qv
>
> His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
> scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
> browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
> with the architecture, imo.
>   
  The artical as a whole doesn't have any substance to it. A lot
of buzzwords, that's about it. In fact the more I read it the less it
makes sense to me.




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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Life IS TOUGH...
BUT you need to grin and bear it because no matter how bad it may seem at
the time, you will make it through it as long as you don't give up.

That’s why I get such a big kick out of people that KNOW all the answers.
I too, used to be an arrogant ass.
Between my divorce in 88 and my ex taking my kids to maine and making the
decision to move back to texas in 94 so that I could pursue my goals and
then going from making 2700 per week to 2700 per year, well it has taught me
a few humbling lessons.

I have an interview Thursday about 4 hrs from here for a 45,000 foxpro gig.
I could be depressed because of that, but I personally think that will get
my feet in the door if they offer it, and I'll work my way up the ladder
from there.

If it doesn’t materialize, something else will happen as long as I don't
give up..

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't give upEVER...!!!
 


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You ever notice life IS tough. I guess when you think about it, you start
out immersed in blood and there's lots of pain and crying. How can we expect
that to not continue!

John

-Original Message-
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Pete,

> That was very unusual. It is more correct to say Steve is miraculous.

Probably true. He was sent home after a triple bypass after just 4 days in
the hospital. He survived flesh eating bacteria in his upper left chest area
(i.e. can't amputate) after being all sliced up and going on full life
support, and then going into septic shock. They all thought he was a goner
and yet he lived.

He came home in a wheelchair and the next day walked up the stairs by
himself (very slowly). We sent the wheelchair back to the medical supply
place.

Everything has been really tough for him but he's still here and so many
others that weren't anywhere near as sick as he was are dead. People we know
in the Fox community even. All his old friends from high school are dead. It
is so odd.

Every day is another gift.

Kristyne McDaniel
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:

> Did you ever notice that the most wimpy people tend to be the ones  
> for whom
> life is actually EASIER? It just seems to me that most people that  
> have
> successfully gone down a few bumpy roads are easier to get along with.

"That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger"?

 I was reading a journal online the other day about a study of  
mothers who made sure that their kids were raised in a hyper-clean  
environment. No one was allowed to hold the babies unless they washed  
up first; the babies could only crawl on the floor a certain rooms  
that were cleaned daily, etc.

Turns out that when these kids eventually go to school they end up  
being much, much more prone to getting sick, and when they do, they  
take longer to recover. Glad I made my kids sleep in a dumpster until  
they were 5!  ;-)

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

John,

> You ever notice life IS tough. I guess when you think about 
> it, you start
> out immersed in blood and there's lots of pain and crying. 
> How can we expect
> that to not continue!

Did you ever notice that the most wimpy people tend to be the ones for whom
life is actually EASIER? It just seems to me that most people that have
successfully gone down a few bumpy roads are easier to get along with.

They might still talk about the bumps a bit, but they don't tend to be
serious whiners -- at least not in my experience.

Kristyne




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Re: (sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[Ted Roche]

On 1/9/07, Matthew Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?
>

There's a summary with a number of links here, too:

http://www.associateddata.co.uk/VFPLinux.htm

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Re: (sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[Ted Roche]

On 1/9/07, Matthew Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?
>

No, somebody (and it wasn't Whil) made a big stink about a 'Softie
trying to lay down a chilling effect on Whil doing a demo on Linux for
Windows. Stink rolled uphill and got lots of nice press, even a
Slashdotting, irrc

Search for Whil's 'Visual FoxPro, Linux and the Jack of Hearts'
retelling of the tale...

In my opinion, I don't think MS wanted to make any kind of a stink at
all. I think they just wanted to whisper a threat at the right time
and place. I suspect that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on.
However, I'm not willing to spend time in court debating the issue.
I'll choose vendors that want to accomodate "where I want to go
today."

> If MS let's Access play with the other kids, why not VFP?

Does MS "let" Access? Or do they have a EULA as chilling as ours?

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Re: (sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Matthew Jarvis wrote:

> M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?

Wrong. They have no problem with running VFP on anything. You can  
develop to your heart's content on Linux.

They have a problem with distributing the runtime libraries to  
anything other than Windows, though.

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RE: VFP7: Not Enough Memory!

[Tracy Pearson]

I've seen this caused by a corrupt index.
Delete indexes and recreate them.

Tracy


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>
> I am stuck on this error!  I Packed the table that I thought
> had the problem but the error is still showing up. TIA!
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Re: (sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[Kevin Cully]

Hey Matthew,

I'm one of the Advocates for VFP9 on Crossover Office (cxOffice) by 
Codeweavers.  cxOffice is a commercial wrapper for the WINE project that 
makes it easier to install Windows software under Linux and the Mac.

Unfortunately VFP stopped working in cxOffice in version 4.2 but I keep 
testing it when new versions come out.

I'd love to get VFP to work on Linux, even in emulation.  However, I 
think its time to look towards other development products on Linux such 
as PHP, REALbasic, and {drum roll} Python/Dabo.  M$ isn't going to help 
VFP run on any other platform.  It's sad that Foxpro used to run on DOS, 
Windows, Unix and the Mac.

To Codeweavers credit, and the WINE team's credit, they're the ones that 
did the hard work to get Access to run by emulating the Windows API.

Kevin Cully
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Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> So here's a question for ya...
> 
> M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?
> 
> But Codeweaver is a company that does pretty much nothing but see to it 
> that certain apps run on the Linux platform
> 
> For example, MS Access in various flavours is listed as a supported product:
> 
> http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?letter=all
> 
> 
> If MS let's Access play with the other kids, why not VFP?
> 
> 
> Matthew S. Jarvis
> IT Manager
> Bike Friday - "Performance that Packs."
> www.bikefriday.com
> 541/687-0487 x140
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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VFP7: Not Enough Memory!

[David Crooks]

I am stuck on this error!  I Packed the table that I thought had the
problem but the error is still showing up. TIA!

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Re: (sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[MB Software Solutions]

Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> So here's a question for ya...
>
> M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?
>
> But Codeweaver is a company that does pretty much nothing but see to it 
> that certain apps run on the Linux platform
>
> For example, MS Access in various flavours is listed as a supported product:
>
> http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?letter=all
>
>
> If MS let's Access play with the other kids, why not VFP?
>   

No one says they won't...they just give you the threatened feeling by 
the vague legalese, imo.

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(sort of) FoxPro on Linux

[Matthew Jarvis]

So here's a question for ya...

M$ makes a big stink about using VFP on a Linux platform, right?

But Codeweaver is a company that does pretty much nothing but see to it 
that certain apps run on the Linux platform

For example, MS Access in various flavours is listed as a supported product:

http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?letter=all


If MS let's Access play with the other kids, why not VFP?


Matthew S. Jarvis
IT Manager
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www.bikefriday.com
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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[Mike yearwood]

Hi Michael

I'd use http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~Weekdays~VFP to compute the
number of weekdays (mon-friday no weekends) instead of looping like
that. Blinding speed.

Then I'd use a UDF to return the number of holidays between the two
dates. The UDF could use a cursor opened at app start and an SQL
command to count the holidays. Just exclude holidays that fall on
weekends from the holidays table.

By the way

http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~SEEKvsASCAN~DotNet

I don't bother with arrays in VFP much at all.

Then your could would be

REPLACE ;
  nTimeSpent WITH ;
  weekdays(m.ldDate,m.ldDate+m.lnNumDaysFromNow) ;
  - holidays(m.ldDate,m.ldDate+m.lnNumDaysFromNow),;
 dExpected WITH m.ldDate ;
 IN (tcCursor)

You could go crazy and make a workdays function that combined those
two functions too.

HTH

> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:16:04 -0500
> From: MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: repetitive SEEKs
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> MB Software Solutions wrote:
> > Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> >
> >> Since it sounds like Holidays is just a lookup table, why not load it
> >> into an array at app startup?
> >>
> >> Not much diff than a local cursor, but
> >>
> >>
> >
> > True, and performance-wise I'm sure that'd be quick (if not the
> > quickest!), but alas you've exposed me...I really don't like dealing
> > with arrays as much.  ;-)
> >
> >
> Here's the segment of code in question:
>
>lnCtr = lnCtr + EVALUATE(tcCursor +
> ".nEstimatedTime") - EVALUATE(tcCursor + ".nActualTime")
>lnNumDaysFromNow = INT(lnCtr / tnMaxHrs)
>ldDate = DATE() && starting date
>lnLoop = 0
>DO WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
>IF NOT(INLIST(DOW(ldDate),1,6) OR
> SEEK(ldDate,"luHolidays","dDate")) THEN && only count if not a weekend
> and not a holiday
>lnLoop = lnLoop + 1
>ENDIF
>ldDate = ldDate + 1
>ENDDO && WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
>REPLACE nTimeSpent WITH lnCtr, dExpected WITH ldDate ;
>IN (tcCursor)
>
>
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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[MB Software Solutions]

Joe De Ville wrote:
> How about this?
>
> How about this?  (new/changed code in blue/bold)
>
> SELECT "luHolidays"
> && build a text list of the holiday dates
> SCAN
> STORE  lcTextList_Dates + chr(13) + TRANS( dDate ) TO lcTextList_Dates
> ENDSCAN
>
> . . .
>
> lnCtr = lnCtr + EVALUATE(tcCursor +
> ".nEstimatedTime") - EVALUATE(tcCursor + ".nActualTime")
> lnNumDaysFromNow = INT(lnCtr / tnMaxHrs)
> ldDate = DATE() && starting date
> lnLoop = 0
> DO WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
> IF NOT(INLIST(DOW(ldDate),1,7) OR
> TRANS(ldDate) + CHR(13) $ lcTextList_Dates,"luHolidays","dDate")) THEN && 
> only count if not a weekend
> and not a holiday
> lnLoop = lnLoop + 1
> ENDIF
> ldDate = ldDate + 1
> ENDDO && WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
> REPLACE nTimeSpent WITH lnCtr, dExpected WITH ldDate ;
> IN (tcCursor)
>
>   

Hi Joe!

Just so you know, the list only takes plain Jane vanilla text messages, 
and no HTML messages are shown, iirc.

Thanks for the idea, but I'll pass on that one.  I'm leaning towards 
just doing a SELECT dDate from MyLanHolidayTable into cursor 
MyLocalCursor and then indexing the dDate field and SEEKing on that.  I 
think that might work the best.  Also, after looking at my initial IF 
construct, I'd rather rewrite it from a theoretical standpoint as this, 
to aid in short-circuiting the evaluation should the first condition fail:

IF NOT INLIST(DOW(ldDate),1,7) AND NOT SEEK(ldDate,"luHolidays","dDate")

I'm not a big fan of so many NOTs in an expression (as I think it's 
sometimes harder to read), but in this case, it's not so bad, and like I 
said...it'll most likely run faster since the first condition--if 
failed--would cause the program to abort the IF construct, if I'm not 
mistaken.  (That's a purist debate some other time, perhaps!)  I suppose 
I could have even did better with this:

IF BETWEEN(DOW(ldDate),2,6) AND NOT SEEK(ldDate,"luHolidays","dDate")



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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[MB Software Solutions]

Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> Understood
>
> How about having an app property with the list of dates stored in a 
> string, then your code can just be something like:
>
> if dtoc( ldDate) $ myapp.cHolidayList
>* - hot code goes here
> else
>* - sorry Charlie - your butt is working that day...
> endif
>
>   

Um, no, I'll pass on that one too.  Sorry!  But thanks for the ideas, Matt!

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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[MB Software Solutions]

Excellent questions/points (as usual), Dave!  My answers are inline below.

Dave Crozier wrote:
> Michael,
> My strategy would depend upon the following observations:
>
> 1. How many seeks do you need to do in succession?
>   
Several.  The process is to determine that it takes 'x' days to do a 
task, and then go from today forward to see when the expected date is, 
counting "work days" and not holidays or weekends.

> 2. Is there a fully optimized index on the table?
> b) Optimized index available
> I GUESS that individual seeks would be quicker as VFP could cache the index
> for subsequent seek calls
>   
Yes, there's a candidate index on the dDate field.

> 3. What is the total size of the record(s) holding the "lookup fields" you
> are seeking?
> Pulling large records back from the main table into a local cursor could
> take a long time and this would make the process appear to be slow as the
> initial "select..." would be slower than with small records
>   
I'd really only need to pull back the dDate field...the rest of the 
record is meaningless for this process.

> 4. Can these date records be dynamically changed/modified.deleted by other
> users whilst you are processing the SQL cursor? If yes then the SQL
> methodology is not workable without a revalidation back to the main table
> when the "Local Seek" has been actioned
>   
Great point, speaking to the "freshness" of the data...but for the most 
part, it should be static and not often updated.

> 5. Do you need rollback capability on individual records after finding a
> valid date or after finding ALL valid dates?
>
>   
Not applicable to this scenario.

> 6. If you want to show a progress indicator then the "individual seek"
> method make this easier.
>   
Ok.

> Personally, I use a combination of both techniques but using single seeks on
> the main table is the preferred technique (95% I guess) as (4) above
> normally makes the "local cursor" method impracticable.
>
> Hope these observations help.
>
>   
Thanks for your comments!
--Michael


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[OT] -- Iraq articles

[Bill Anderson]

Lessons Not Learned



Been There, Done That, Not Over It



What's noteworthy is where these were published: Government Executive.

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[john harvey]

You ever notice life IS tough. I guess when you think about it, you start
out immersed in blood and there's lots of pain and crying. How can we expect
that to not continue!

John

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Pete,

> That was very unusual. It is more correct to say Steve is miraculous.

Probably true. He was sent home after a triple bypass after just 4 days in
the hospital. He survived flesh eating bacteria in his upper left chest area
(i.e. can't amputate) after being all sliced up and going on full life
support, and then going into septic shock. They all thought he was a goner
and yet he lived.

He came home in a wheelchair and the next day walked up the stairs by
himself (very slowly). We sent the wheelchair back to the medical supply
place.

Everything has been really tough for him but he's still here and so many
others that weren't anywhere near as sick as he was are dead. People we know
in the Fox community even. All his old friends from high school are dead. It
is so odd.

Every day is another gift.

Kristyne McDaniel
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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[Joe De Ville]

How about this?

How about this?  (new/changed code in blue/bold)

SELECT "luHolidays"
&& build a text list of the holiday dates
SCAN
STORE  lcTextList_Dates + chr(13) + TRANS( dDate ) TO lcTextList_Dates
ENDSCAN

. . .

lnCtr = lnCtr + EVALUATE(tcCursor +
".nEstimatedTime") - EVALUATE(tcCursor + ".nActualTime")
lnNumDaysFromNow = INT(lnCtr / tnMaxHrs)
ldDate = DATE() && starting date
lnLoop = 0
DO WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
IF NOT(INLIST(DOW(ldDate),1,6) OR
TRANS(ldDate) + CHR(13) $ lcTextList_Dates,"luHolidays","dDate")) THEN && only 
count if not a weekend
and not a holiday
lnLoop = lnLoop + 1
ENDIF
ldDate = ldDate + 1
ENDDO && WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
REPLACE nTimeSpent WITH lnCtr, dExpected WITH ldDate ;
IN (tcCursor)

MB Software Solutions wrote:

> MB Software Solutions wrote:
> > Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> >
> >> Since it sounds like Holidays is just a lookup table, why not load it
> >> into an array at app startup?
> >>
> >> Not much diff than a local cursor, but
> >>
> >>
> >
> > True, and performance-wise I'm sure that'd be quick (if not the
> > quickest!), but alas you've exposed me...I really don't like dealing
> > with arrays as much.  ;-)
> >
> >
> Here's the segment of code in question:
>
> lnCtr = lnCtr + EVALUATE(tcCursor +
> ".nEstimatedTime") - EVALUATE(tcCursor + ".nActualTime")
> lnNumDaysFromNow = INT(lnCtr / tnMaxHrs)
> ldDate = DATE() && starting date
> lnLoop = 0
> DO WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
> IF NOT(INLIST(DOW(ldDate),1,6) OR
> SEEK(ldDate,"luHolidays","dDate")) THEN && only count if not a weekend
> and not a holiday
> lnLoop = lnLoop + 1
> ENDIF
> ldDate = ldDate + 1
> ENDDO && WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
> REPLACE nTimeSpent WITH lnCtr, dExpected WITH ldDate ;
> IN (tcCursor)
>
> --
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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

[Dave Crozier]

Richard,
I'm not at workat the minute but I'll find out the version of the 2007
program we are using tomorrow.

Dave Crozier


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Sent: 09 January 2007 20:25
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My mistake. I am running 2007 and it does happen to me. Version 2007 
0.0.0-2006.06.22. They must have patched it at some point.

Dave Crozier wrote:
> Richard,
> It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have
fixed
> it.
>
> Dave Crozier
>
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> Subject: [NF] Another app broken by IE7
>
> I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
> run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word "Never!" and a 
> yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
> computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
> the link on how to work around it
>
> 
>
>   

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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[Matthew Jarvis]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> 
>>Since it sounds like Holidays is just a lookup table, why not load it 
>>into an array at app startup?
>>
>>Not much diff than a local cursor, but
>>  
> 
> 
> True, and performance-wise I'm sure that'd be quick (if not the 
> quickest!), but alas you've exposed me...I really don't like dealing 
> with arrays as much.  ;-)
> 

Understood

How about having an app property with the list of dates stored in a 
string, then your code can just be something like:

if dtoc( ldDate) $ myapp.cHolidayList
   * - hot code goes here
else
   * - sorry Charlie - your butt is working that day...
endif




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RE: repetitive SEEKs

[Dave Crozier]

Michael,
My strategy would depend upon the following observations:

1. How many seeks do you need to do in succession?

2. Is there a fully optimized index on the table?
a) Optimized index not available
"Individual seek" on large numbers of data records would probably be slower
in total elapsed time as opposed to the "local select" which would create a
runtime one off SQL select temporary index
b) Optimized index available
I GUESS that individual seeks would be quicker as VFP could cache the index
for subsequent seek calls

3. What is the total size of the record(s) holding the "lookup fields" you
are seeking?
Pulling large records back from the main table into a local cursor could
take a long time and this would make the process appear to be slow as the
initial "select..." would be slower than with small records

4. Can these date records be dynamically changed/modified.deleted by other
users whilst you are processing the SQL cursor? If yes then the SQL
methodology is not workable without a revalidation back to the main table
when the "Local Seek" has been actioned

5. Do you need rollback capability on individual records after finding a
valid date or after finding ALL valid dates?
a) Local Select Method
If you can process the "local cursor" records using a nested SQL command
then using this method would lock the base tables for longer and may be
inconvenient for other users of the system
b)Individual seek
Easy to roll back and minimal locks for other users.


6. If you want to show a progress indicator then the "individual seek"
method make this easier.

Personally, I use a combination of both techniques but using single seeks on
the main table is the preferred technique (95% I guess) as (4) above
normally makes the "local cursor" method impracticable.

Hope these observations help.

Dave Crozier

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Subject: repetitive SEEKs

I've got a table called HOLIDAYS that lists the days the company isn't 
working.  I've got calls inside an iterative loop to see if a date 
exists.  I'm wondering if I would be better off selecting the table into 
a local cursor, indexing that cursor, and then SEEKING on that instead 
of the network table.  I could run exhaustive tests to come up with an 
answer, but wondered if others here had already experienced this kind of 
scenario and could advise from their past travels?

Other information:
 - app built in VFP8 (eventually going to VFP9)
 - Win XP Pro operating system on client, probably W2K or NT mostly for 
servers
 - favorite food:  chocolate peanut butter ice cream

tia!
--Michael

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Pete,

> That was very unusual. It is more correct to say Steve is miraculous.

Probably true. He was sent home after a triple bypass after just 4 days in
the hospital. He survived flesh eating bacteria in his upper left chest area
(i.e. can't amputate) after being all sliced up and going on full life
support, and then going into septic shock. They all thought he was a goner
and yet he lived.

He came home in a wheelchair and the next day walked up the stairs by
himself (very slowly). We sent the wheelchair back to the medical supply
place.

Everything has been really tough for him but he's still here and so many
others that weren't anywhere near as sick as he was are dead. People we know
in the Fox community even. All his old friends from high school are dead. It
is so odd.

Every day is another gift.

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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[MB Software Solutions]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Matthew Jarvis wrote:
>   
>> Since it sounds like Holidays is just a lookup table, why not load it 
>> into an array at app startup?
>>
>> Not much diff than a local cursor, but
>>   
>> 
>
> True, and performance-wise I'm sure that'd be quick (if not the 
> quickest!), but alas you've exposed me...I really don't like dealing 
> with arrays as much.  ;-)
>
>   
Here's the segment of code in question:

lnCtr = lnCtr + EVALUATE(tcCursor + 
".nEstimatedTime") - EVALUATE(tcCursor + ".nActualTime")
lnNumDaysFromNow = INT(lnCtr / tnMaxHrs)
ldDate = DATE() && starting date
lnLoop = 0
DO WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
IF NOT(INLIST(DOW(ldDate),1,6) OR 
SEEK(ldDate,"luHolidays","dDate")) THEN && only count if not a weekend 
and not a holiday
lnLoop = lnLoop + 1
ENDIF
ldDate = ldDate + 1
ENDDO && WHILE lnLoop <= lnNumDaysFromNow
REPLACE nTimeSpent WITH lnCtr, dExpected WITH ldDate ;
IN (tcCursor)


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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[MB Software Solutions]

Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> Since it sounds like Holidays is just a lookup table, why not load it 
> into an array at app startup?
>
> Not much diff than a local cursor, but
>   

True, and performance-wise I'm sure that'd be quick (if not the 
quickest!), but alas you've exposed me...I really don't like dealing 
with arrays as much.  ;-)

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Re: repetitive SEEKs

[Matthew Jarvis]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> I've got a table called HOLIDAYS that lists the days the company isn't 
> working.  I've got calls inside an iterative loop to see if a date 
> exists.  I'm wondering if I would be better off selecting the table into 
> a local cursor, indexing that cursor, and then SEEKING on that instead 
> of the network table.  I could run exhaustive tests to come up with an 
> answer, but wondered if others here had already experienced this kind of 
> scenario and could advise from their past travels?
> 
> Other information:
>  - app built in VFP8 (eventually going to VFP9)
>  - Win XP Pro operating system on client, probably W2K or NT mostly for 
> servers
>  - favorite food:  chocolate peanut butter ice cream
> 
> tia!
> --Michael
> 

Since it sounds like Holidays is just a lookup table, why not load it 
into an array at app startup?

Not much diff than a local cursor, but


Matthew S. Jarvis
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repetitive SEEKs

[MB Software Solutions]

I've got a table called HOLIDAYS that lists the days the company isn't 
working.  I've got calls inside an iterative loop to see if a date 
exists.  I'm wondering if I would be better off selecting the table into 
a local cursor, indexing that cursor, and then SEEKING on that instead 
of the network table.  I could run exhaustive tests to come up with an 
answer, but wondered if others here had already experienced this kind of 
scenario and could advise from their past travels?

Other information:
 - app built in VFP8 (eventually going to VFP9)
 - Win XP Pro operating system on client, probably W2K or NT mostly for 
servers
 - favorite food:  chocolate peanut butter ice cream

tia!
--Michael

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

[Richard Kaye]

My mistake. I am running 2007 and it does happen to me. Version 2007 
0.0.0-2006.06.22. They must have patched it at some point.

Dave Crozier wrote:
> Richard,
> It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have fixed
> it.
>
> Dave Crozier
>
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> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: [NF] Another app broken by IE7
>
> I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
> run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word "Never!" and a 
> yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
> computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
> the link on how to work around it
>
> 
>
>   

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 13:58, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:

> In the meantime, his body built up so
> many tributaries that the bypass is no longer needed. His heart is back to
> an injection fraction of 48, with 50 being normal.
>
> Go figure. Human bodies are miraculous things.

Hi Kristyne!

That was very unusual. It is more correct to say Steve is miraculous.
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[NF] The end of desktop software development?

[Ted Roche]

"Expect 2007 to mark the beginning of the end of desktop software development,"

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/08/02FEspendappdev_1.html

or http://tinyurl.com/yj34qv

His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
with the architecture, imo.

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 12:03, john harvey wrote:
> Kris,
>
> I took a masters level Crisis Intervention Strategies course once, and we
> had to do roll play. While we were preparing for our demonstration of the
> "active listening" technique, I was working with a young lady who was
> giving a detailed description of all the terrible stuff that had happened
> to her. I couldn't resist (we were just prepping you know). I told her,
> "you know I don't think I've ever heard anything quite this terrible, have
> you considered suicide?" She smacked me

Hi John!

Just let a man smack a woman in a role-play exercise. There would be no 
laughing.
-- 
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[MB Software Solutions]

Ted Roche wrote:
> On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Long live Apple, Inc.!
>> 
>
> So, did they just rename the one company, instead of splitting off
> Apple Media, Apple iPods, Apple Movies and Apple Computer?
> Interesting.
>
> Since they sold 2 BILLION songs on iTunes, 500 million TV shows and
> 1.3 million movies, a couple of computers here and there don't reflect
> the name of the company.
>
> Looking forward to seeing the keynote when it comes out. I've been
> cobbling together a digital media hub for a while now. Maybe I'll toss
> it all for a $299 appleTV...
>   

Makes me wonder how much it costs to change your company name.  For 
companies as big as them, I'll bet it's a LOT!

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ted Roche]

On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's not a video, but lots of photos:
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-
> keynote/
> ( -or- http://tinyurl.com/yyfb9f )
>

Thanks! I had followed the keynot on the Macworld site:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/09/liveupdate/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

or http://preview.tinyurl.com/yfm2ln

But I enjoy the show as well.

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 11:19, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:

Hi Kristyne!

It was a joke - Mike was ragging you and I was just pointing out the other  
possibility. I wasn't trying to touch your nerves.

> Pete,
>
> Whether I am a "hottie" or not is of no consequence to you or anyone else

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They want someone onsite, and will either go W-2 employee or 1099 consultant.

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

> So, did they just rename the one company, instead of splitting off
> Apple Media, Apple iPods, Apple Movies and Apple Computer?
> Interesting.

Just a rename.

> Looking forward to seeing the keynote when it comes out.

It's not a video, but lots of photos:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs- 
keynote/
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/yyfb9f )

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Helio,

> ps: Steve's body certainly is super-resistant, he beat flesh-eating
> bacteria, his body will beat anything! Don't you have children? You
> should... you know, pass along these good genes.

Steve and I were both fixed by the time we met each other. But he has 4 kids
and 3 grandkids now (1 more on the way), and I have one son myself.

Steve has a very strong will to survive and seems to survive all kinds of
things. At the same time he talks about suicide over and over again and
fights chronic major depression -- probably because he is sick so often. He
wasn't supposed to survive his childhood because he was so sick and he's
been beating odds since he was an infant. I think something in him wills his
body to keep healing over and over again. He's had pneumonia 10 times now.
Lots of people don't live through that once.

Let's just say the health insurance gets paid every month ahead of
everything including the mortgage. :-)

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ted Roche]

On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Long live Apple, Inc.!

So, did they just rename the one company, instead of splitting off
Apple Media, Apple iPods, Apple Movies and Apple Computer?
Interesting.

Since they sold 2 BILLION songs on iTunes, 500 million TV shows and
1.3 million movies, a couple of computers here and there don't reflect
the name of the company.

Looking forward to seeing the keynote when it comes out. I've been
cobbling together a digital media hub for a while now. Maybe I'll toss
it all for a $299 appleTV...
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Justin Darnell wrote:

> Should be interesting to see how Cingular exclusivity hinders adoption
> of that nifty looking iPhone.

Well, he said they're only shooting for a 1% market penetration by  
2008, so I don't think it will be too much of a problem.

What's more interesting is how many people switch to Cingular/AT&T  
just to get the iPhone!

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RE: create tables part two

[Bill Arnold]

> Using AFIELDS and COPY STRUCTURE EXTENDED does 
> a great job of copying the structure but not so great about taking
into 
> consideration the decisions about what the user wishes to include and
what 
> not to include in this type of situation. 


Jeff, I'm not sure this is what you're looking for, but can use UDF's in
SELECT statements to do just about any rearranging of the input data
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Helio W.]

Not only human bodies... life in general is amazing. Given millions of
years, evolution works "miracles"...

ps: Steve's body certainly is super-resistant, he beat flesh-eating
bacteria, his body will beat anything! Don't you have children? You
should... you know, pass along these good genes.


On 1/9/07, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Go figure. Human bodies are miraculous things.
>
> Kristyne McDaniel
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W.
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:21 AM
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> > responsible for?
> >
> >
> > -- Ed Leafe
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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Oops... I meant E-jection fraction of 48... 

> many tributaries that the bypass is no longer needed. His 
> heart is back to
> an injection fraction of 48, with 50 being normal.
> 
> Go figure. Human bodies are miraculous things.
> 
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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Justin Darnell]

Should be interesting to see how Cingular exclusivity hinders adoption
of that nifty looking iPhone.

On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Long live Apple, Inc.!
>
>
> -- Ed Leafe
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:

> As an aside, Steve had a brain MRI two weeks ago after seeing a  
> neurologist
> about headaches. The MRI showed that he had several strokes a long  
> time ago.
> They didn't say how many years ago. All I can say is he must have been
> rewiring his brain all along because nobody noticed.

Yep. It's an incredible process that unfortunately slows with age,  
but fortunately never stops.

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[NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

[Ed Leafe]

Long live Apple, Inc.!


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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Helio, Ed,

> That was my point!
> 
> On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > BTW, the brain does respond chemically to thoughts, 
> so there is an
> > excellent basis for talk therapy by iteself being beneficial in many
> > cases. The "improved" thoughts can trigger more serotonin release,
> > which in some cases can be a permanent change via "rewiring" of the
> > brain.

We know the brain works on electrical impulses. We know there are chemicals
which affect it, and we know that some drugs poke and prod those chemicals.

The talk therapy that I'm referring to is not the many years of mumbo jumbo
that people are ridiculing here. I'm talking about the behavioral therapies
that help people figure out different ways to look at a problem, and devise
a means to cope with situations in their lives. Perhaps that does a certain
amount of brain rewiring. I don't know.

As an aside, Steve had a brain MRI two weeks ago after seeing a neurologist
about headaches. The MRI showed that he had several strokes a long time ago.
They didn't say how many years ago. All I can say is he must have been
rewiring his brain all along because nobody noticed.

Also, we know that one of the 5 arteries supplying his heart was completely
closed and inoperable two years ago. At the time of the angiogram that
diagnosed the problem, Steve's body was already building tributary arteries
to supply the blood to his heart. There was too much damage to his heart
from his second heart attack for the surgeon to do a bypass, so they just
waited for him to get better first. In the meantime, his body built up so
many tributaries that the bypass is no longer needed. His heart is back to
an injection fraction of 48, with 50 being normal.

Go figure. Human bodies are miraculous things.

Kristyne McDaniel 

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RE: VFP9: Thinks table is corrupt

[Tracy Pearson]

Look up SET TABLEVALIDATE.

Tracy


> -Original Message-
> From: David Crooks
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:15 PM
>
> I have an app in VFP 9 that thinks a table is corrupt.  I can
> see the data in VFP7 just fine.  What do I have to do to get
> around it?  TIA!
>
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RE: VFP9: Thinks table is corrupt

[Rick Quilhot]

Another option would be to copy the table to a new dbf with VFP7

Rick Q


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On Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:21 PM Rick Quilhot wrote:

>Have you packed the table in VFP7?

Not yet. I guess I will try that. Thanks!

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VFP7: Not enough memory (error #43)

[David Crooks]

Is this error memory also related to a corrupted table?  TIA?

David L. Crooks


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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

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> ("What's a 'Cubit'?")
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The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally taken to
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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

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On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

> I would love a screen shot of the 'never!' message. 

I always thought a great error message would be: "RIIIGHT!"

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Helio W.]

BTW, since I saw that picture of nano-electrodes linked to a rat's single
neuron I believe Borg like creatures are viable! No depression ever!

On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> There are so many factors that go into achieving the correct
> chemical mix in the brain, it's amazing that it works at all.
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RE: VFP9: Thinks table is corrupt

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On Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:21 PM Rick Quilhot wrote:

>Have you packed the table in VFP7?

Not yet. I guess I will try that. Thanks!

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RE: VFP9: Thinks table is corrupt

[Rick Quilhot]

Have you packed the table in VFP7?

Rick Q

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I have an app in VFP 9 that thinks a table is corrupt.  I can see the
data in VFP7 just fine.  What do I have to do to get around it?  TIA!

David L. Crooks


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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Helio W.]

That was my point!

On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> BTW, the brain does respond chemically to thoughts, so there is an
> excellent basis for talk therapy by iteself being beneficial in many
> cases. The "improved" thoughts can trigger more serotonin release,
> which in some cases can be a permanent change via "rewiring" of the
> brain.

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Re: [NF] Neat Free Desktop Remote Control

[Kevin Cully]

It's too bad they don't have a Linux or Mac version as well.  They make 
reference to using TightVNC but it looks like their encryption is in 
addition to just using TightVNC.

Looks goood though!  I'll have to give it a try.

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> To All,
> Earlier this week I found a piece of software called "Crossloop":
> 
> http://www.crossloop.com
> 
> It is a fully secure remote desktop control piece of software that is just
> so so easy to install (in fact you simply run the program, not install it)
> that it is ideal for end users.
> 
> I've used it many times this week with not a single problem as I would have
> usually used the Free version of Logmein.com but it wouldn't install on the
> remote machines.
> 
> I recommend it.
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Helio W. wrote:

> External stimuli can affect a person's brain chemical balance, no?  
> That
> would explain the poor scientific record of cures by prayer or
> psychoanalysis.

There are so many factors that go into achieving the correct  
chemical mix in the brain, it's amazing that it works at all.

The problem with most drugs is that they cannot possibly address the  
specific problem. Let's take the example of a serotonin deficiency,  
the most common cause of clinical depression. There are several  
possible causes for this:

1) deficiency in enzymes that create serotonin
2) overzealousness of enzymes that break down serotonin
3) structural abnormality in serotonin receptors
4) excess of serotonin analogues that compete for receptors

Each of these will have the same net effect, but for a completely  
different reason. It is foolish to imagine that a single pill could  
work for everyone.

BTW, the brain does respond chemically to thoughts, so there is an  
excellent basis for talk therapy by iteself being beneficial in many  
cases. The "improved" thoughts can trigger more serotonin release,  
which in some cases can be a permanent change via "rewiring" of the  
brain.

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VFP9: Thinks table is corrupt

[David Crooks]

I have an app in VFP 9 that thinks a table is corrupt.  I can see the
data in VFP7 just fine.  What do I have to do to get around it?  TIA!

David L. Crooks


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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Helio W.]

External stimuli can affect a person's brain chemical balance, no? That
would explain the poor scientific record of cures by prayer or
psychoanalysis.


On 1/9/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
>
> > If that were true talk therapy would never work.
>
> 'Depression' is like 'cancer': a single word to describe a wide
> variety of problems that manifest themselves similarly. Chemical
> imbalances cannot be talked away.
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Helio W.]

I think you're wrong Kristyne, there's much scientific work behind these
"theories" and plenty and strong evidence. And the brain IS a bio-chemical
"machine". From what I read, real science already buried most of classic
psychoanalysis two decades ago.

And in actuality what you said can be related to psychologists, who talk,
talk, talk and when the patient improves (sometimes year and years after, if
they don't commit suicide before) they theorize it is because the patient
remembered and confronted a harmful experience from it's childhood that was
buried deep inside her/his superego/ego/id or something like that.

HW


On 1/9/07, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> There's always going to be two points of view on that until medical
> sciences
> gets further along. The chemical imbalance theory is a theory without a
> lot
> of proof behind it yet. Doctors test out pills and people say they feel
> better. They theorize it is because a chemical imbalance was corrected.


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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Ed,

>   'Depression' is like 'cancer': a single word to 
> describe a wide  
> variety of problems that manifest themselves similarly. Chemical  
> imbalances cannot be talked away.

There's always going to be two points of view on that until medical sciences
gets further along. The chemical imbalance theory is a theory without a lot
of proof behind it yet. Doctors test out pills and people say they feel
better. They theorize it is because a chemical imbalance was corrected.

I'm saying this because I am one of those folks that got stuck on a medical
trial for Wellbutrin. All they did is give me pills and ask me questions.
There was no testing of the chemicals in my brain and what the pills were
doing to them. It was all question and answer time, filling out little
bubbles on a form.

I, myself, did much better with talk therapy with a PhD psychologist. The
M.D. psychiatrist slapped me with a bunch of "brand name" pills and ignored
me. The psychologist worked with my family physician to prescribe something
more correct for me, and then worked with me to find coping mechanisms for
the stuff going on in my head. It was the psychologist that helped me the
most -- not the pill pusher.

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:

> If that were true talk therapy would never work.

'Depression' is like 'cancer': a single word to describe a wide  
variety of problems that manifest themselves similarly. Chemical  
imbalances cannot be talked away.

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

John,

> "you know I
> don't think I've ever heard anything quite this terrible, have you
> considered suicide?" She smacked me, then fell out laughing!!!

Steve's main technique is to help his kids develop a set of options that
they can consider. He calls it "living like you are on your arm", and he
illustrates by wiggling his fingers, and says they need at least as many
options as they have fingers on their hand. Then they work through options
for each finger that they can do which are NOT suicide, keeping suicide as
one of the options -- in reserve.

You can't talk a suicidal person out of suicide. All you can do is show them
it is not their only option, and keep them redirected at the other choices.
After enough time has gone by and they've selected the other options often
enough, the suicide option looks less and less attractive.

But the reality is that suicidal people never really give up on the idea. It
is always in the back of their heads somewhere whether they are talking
about it or not. And whether they joke about it or not, it is serious
business with them. If they don't have the tools to redirect their thoughts,
one day they will indeed kill themselves.

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Ed,

> People without depression who are going through  
> tough emotional times can understand that it may pass and can 
> imagine feeling better at some point in the future;
> people with depression simply cannot.

If that were true talk therapy would never work. I had a 2 year battle with
major depression back in the early 90's, and Steve has been fighting chronic
major depression his entire life. People can learn to cope with the stuff in
their heads. It takes a lot of work, but there are ways to cope with severe
depression both with and without medication.

I was medicated for about two years and have not been on antidepressants now
for the last 14 years. Steve has been able to be off meds for about 10 years
now.

One of our best presidents -- Lincoln -- battled chronic major depression
most of his adult life. There were no miracle meds back then.

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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

[Dave Crozier]

Richard,
It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have fixed
it.

Dave Crozier

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I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word "Never!" and a 
yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
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RE: Strange error message

[Dave Crozier]

John,
Try right clicking on the dbc name in the data tab of the project manager
and look at the Include/exclude property. I guess you have included the dbc
in your executable.

Either that or you have a corrupted dbc, but the compiler doesn't look at
the dbc so it shouldn't be that. Also run a "validate" on the database

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Hi all,

When building an EXE from my project, I'm getting two errors.  Here's the
.ERR file:

Compiling c:\pontotoc\pontotoc.dbc
dondondonENDIF it's locked already, or i was able to lock it
Error in line 36 (record 3): Unrecognized command verb.
Error in line 40 (record 3): An IF | ELSE | ENDIF statement is
missing.

I've got no clue what "dondondon" could be, or in which form it's finding
the two errors that are listed.  Normally, whenever I get an error, it tells
me which form, etc., but not here.  And I've never seen an error generated
from compiling the .DBC.

Any suggestions for how to track these down and correct them?

Thanks much!

John
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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

[john harvey]

Kris,

I took a masters level Crisis Intervention Strategies course once, and we
had to do roll play. While we were preparing for our demonstration of the
"active listening" technique, I was working with a young lady who was giving
a detailed description of all the terrible stuff that had happened to her. I
couldn't resist (we were just prepping you know). I told her, "you know I
don't think I've ever heard anything quite this terrible, have you
considered suicide?" She smacked me, then fell out laughing!!!

John

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Leland,

> Yeap, give a problem a little time, and it will pass.  Suicide is a 
> permanent solution to a temporary problem.

That's one of the best things parents and adults can help teens to
understand. When you're a kid and everything seems to be so important, it is
difficult to get an accurate fix on where your problems fit in with the rest
of your life. If you don't have adults around that you respect and can talk
to, you can wind up killing yourself over a temporary problem. It is easy to
work yourself up when your emotions are raw.

Steve taught high school and did a lot of suicide counseling with his
students and others. He has an MA in human behavior and counseling, and a
K-14 counseling credential, and did a lot of hours of training with Vietnam
vets and battered women. For years he had kids calling him in the middle of
the night when they were thinking of doing something stupid. As far as we
know, none of the kids he counseled killed themselves.

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