[OT] Outlook Express 'Send & Receive' Window Right Hand Side Bottom Icon/Button

[Ajoy Khaund]

Hi

When we click on OE 'Send & Receive' the window which displays the tasks been 
carried out has a small icon in the bottom right hand side. If we click on it 
the icon becomes a button with the image sideways. What does this thing do ? 
Just not been able to make out nor have I been able to put in the correct words 
to do a Google.

TIA


Ajoy Khaund
Neamati Road
Near Bhogdoi Bridge
Jorhat 785 001
Assam, India

Tel: 91-376-2351288
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Re: Locked file access

[Alan Bourke]

mrgmhale wrote:
>   Also, with the Symantec Corporate AntiVirus
> solution I set it to not scan any files on mapped/network connected
> drives/files.  
Leaving 'Scan Network Drives' turned on can absolutely cripple networks, 
whether VFP in involved or not.


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[NF] Looking for a Python Wrangler - Stealth Startup Job Ad

[Malcolm Greene]

Well done job ad for Python developer. Looks interesting.

Malcolm


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Re: [NF] Looking for a Python Wrangler - Stealth Startup Job Ad

[MB Software Solutions]

Malcolm Greene wrote:
> Well done job ad for Python developer. Looks interesting.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>   

huh?  Did you mean to send a URL in your post?

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RE: Locked file access

[mrgmhale]

> Leaving 'Scan Network Drives' turned on can absolutely cripple networks,
> whether VFP in involved or not.

Agreed, in spades!

There was a software solutions company that had been telling their clients
to remove any AntiVirus apps as they slowed down their Firebird/IE based app
something fierce.  When they installed their app at one of my client
locations, with a much larger database than their other clients, their app
was extremely slow.  They made their initial mistake with me by casting
claims of a defective network simply because we were using 100vg (vg = Voice
Grade, which they said was inferior technology.  VG means ethernet can run
on Cat3 and still provide reliable signals, it screams on Cat5 or higher.
They sure boned their credibility on that.).

Once I proved, using their performance criteria as stated in advance of the
test, the network was fast and reliable they next blamed Symantec AntiVirus.
Sure enough, turning it off helped a tiny bit, but not a lot.  I had already
disabled scanning network drives long before.  Turns out they cache the
ENTIRE set of tables from the Firebird Server to the local PCs when they
first load their app.  Why?  To enhance performance at the desktop level, of
course!.  I still recall the look on the face of their lead designer when I
asked if he was caching all tables locally - he knew he was dead meat.  For
most of their clients the AV apps were scanning all files from the network,
and some of the files were fairly big.  Well, certainly the AV had to be the
problem, not the few hundred Mg of records coming over, whether they are
needed or not!  In my client's case the files were so huge the SAV impact
would have had very little adverse impact anyway.  Ed once told me that even
a good database can be ruined with shitty software design.  Case in point,
eh?

But, still they felt we had to uninstall SAV, and run no protection on any
PCs or Servers, despite my having proven the SAV was not impacting their
application's performance in any practical manner (200+ PCs on the LAN at
the time).  When I said we would toss their app out first, as Federal law
now requires businesses to take reasonable measures to prevent systems from
being compromised along with private consumer data, they redesigned their
app to not cache the largest tables locally, and ended up with a less
terrible app - still slow, but they popped in a larger Server to "fix" that.
It did no good.  Good job, Idiots.


Gil

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Locked file access
>
>
> mrgmhale wrote:
> >   Also, with the Symantec Corporate AntiVirus
> > solution I set it to not scan any files on mapped/network connected
> > drives/files.
> Leaving 'Scan Network Drives' turned on can absolutely cripple networks,
> whether VFP in involved or not.
>
>
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Re: [NF] Looking for a Python Wrangler - Stealth Startup Job Ad (w/link)

[Malcolm Greene]

Added URL - thanks Mike!

Well done job ad for Python developer. Looks interesting.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pIfsCXb_My4

Malcolm


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Re: [NF] Looking for a Python Wrangler - Stealth Startup Job Ad

[Ted Roche]

On 7/8/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> huh?  Did you mean to send a URL in your post?

That´s the stealth part. If you couldn´t find the ad, then you don´t
need to apply.

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[OT] Audi wins fourth straight Le Mans race

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

The TDI diesel auto is proving to be one tough car; see excerpt below, 
or click on link for full article:

#
Excerpt:  A total of 54 cars started in the 75th edition of the 24 hour 
Le Mans, but 25 failed to finish.

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story/?ID=211081&hubname=auto_racing

or

http://tinyurl.com/3alq4q

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Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

[MB Software Solutions]

Did anyone else get a letter from Servoy USA (out of Thousand Lakes, 
CA)?  It's from a guy named Bob Kirsch.  It's specifically targeted at 
VFP/Fox folks.

I scanned it and put it here:  
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/servoy.pdf

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[NF] Outlook Express 'Send & Receive' Window Right Hand Side Bottom Icon/Button

[Michael Madigan]

Ajoy,

I'm going to post this under NF because there maybe
someone there who can help you.



--- Ajoy Khaund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> When we click on OE 'Send & Receive' the window
> which displays the tasks been carried out has a
> small icon in the bottom right hand side. If we
> click on it the icon becomes a button with the image
> sideways. What does this thing do ? Just not been
> able to make out nor have I been able to put in the
> correct words to do a Google.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> Ajoy Khaund
> Neamati Road
> Near Bhogdoi Bridge
> Jorhat 785 001
> Assam, India
> 
> Tel: 91-376-2351288
> Cell: 91-94350-92287
> Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> "Walking on water and developing software from a
> specification are easy if
> both are frozen."
> - Edward  V. Berard, "Life-Cycle Approaches"
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[NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[MB Software Solutions]

My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really 
got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn programming.  I'm 
looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good 
fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).

tia!

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Re: Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

[Bill Anderson]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Did anyone else get a letter from Servoy USA (out of Thousand Lakes, 
> CA)?  It's from a guy named Bob Kirsch.  It's specifically targeted at 
> VFP/Fox folks.
>
> I scanned it and put it here:  
> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/servoy.pdf
>   
I didn't get this PDF, but I did get a blind email several weeks ago, as 
did others on the LA Fox board. Then, a few weeks later, I got a blind 
request for a Notes/Servoy/PHP developer. Strange, since I had never 
heard of Servoy before.

Bob and company will be speaking at LA Fox on Tuesday. I'm looking 
forward to seeing what they have to offer but if they're gonna come in 
and talk down VFP they've come to the wrong place...

Bill




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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Michael Madigan]

Tell him to get into sales instead.  That's where the
real money is.  LOL

Do you really want to give your nephew 30 years of.
"why does it cost so much?"  "I can buy Quickbooks for
under $300, why are you charging me $2000?" "I've
never heard of Foxpro, can't you use a Microsoft
product?"


--- MB Software Solutions
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of
> course!) and really 
> got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn
> programming.  I'm 
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to
> get a good 
> fundamental basis for programming (via websites or
> books).
> 
> tia!
> 
> -- 
> Michael J. Babcock, MCP
> MB Software Solutions, LLC
> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
> http://fabmate.com
> "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software
> solutions!"
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Mike Wohlrab]

If he has Visual Studio, then he can work in that for a place to program in. I
would suggest that he could start programming in HTML and make a website to get
a basic start of it, and then work upwards from there. Here is a good site for
him to look at for HTML: http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp

Computer Technology Solutions 
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Subject: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really 
got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn programming.  I'm 
looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good 
fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).

tia!

-- 
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
http://fabmate.com
"Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!"



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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[MB Software Solutions]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> Tell him to get into sales instead.  That's where the
> real money is.  LOL
>   
Yeah, I did want to point out the outsourcing to him.  

> Do you really want to give your nephew 30 years of.
> "why does it cost so much?"  "I can buy Quickbooks for
> under $300, why are you charging me $2000?" "I've
> never heard of Foxpro, can't you use a Microsoft
> product?"
>   
All sad but true, and the last one made me LOL!  I'm sure that's true of 
being said also at some time in the past!  (Was that said to you?)


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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[MB Software Solutions]

Mike Wohlrab wrote:
> If he has Visual Studio, then he can work in that for a place to program in. I
> would suggest that he could start programming in HTML and make a website to 
> get
> a basic start of it, and then work upwards from there. Here is a good site for
> him to look at for HTML: http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
>   

That's exactly the site I mentioned to him.

No, he doesn't have anything.  He's just taking an interest now and 
starting from scratch.  I know that I had a programming class starting 
my Junior year in high school.

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Re: Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

[MB Software Solutions]

Bill Anderson wrote:
> MB Software Solutions wrote:
>   
>> Did anyone else get a letter from Servoy USA (out of Thousand Lakes, 
>> CA)?  It's from a guy named Bob Kirsch.  It's specifically targeted at 
>> VFP/Fox folks.
>>
>> I scanned it and put it here:  
>> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/servoy.pdf
>>   
>> 
> I didn't get this PDF, but I did get a blind email several weeks ago, as 
> did others on the LA Fox board. Then, a few weeks later, I got a blind 
> request for a Notes/Servoy/PHP developer. Strange, since I had never 
> heard of Servoy before.
>
> Bob and company will be speaking at LA Fox on Tuesday. I'm looking 
> forward to seeing what they have to offer but if they're gonna come in 
> and talk down VFP they've come to the wrong place...
>
> Bill
>
>   

So this Bob Kirsch is scheduled for LA Fox?  You'll have to give us the 
day-after report!

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RE: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[John Harvey]

My daughter (27 w/ three kids and a husband in Iraq) is learning VB.net. I
started teaching her vfp, just to teach her the logic of programming, but I
decided to steer her toward vb.net because of the number of potential
employers. 

John

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Tell him to get into sales instead.  That's where the
real money is.  LOL

Do you really want to give your nephew 30 years of.
"why does it cost so much?"  "I can buy Quickbooks for
under $300, why are you charging me $2000?" "I've
never heard of Foxpro, can't you use a Microsoft
product?"


--- MB Software Solutions
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> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of
> course!) and really 
> got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn
> programming.  I'm 
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to
> get a good 
> fundamental basis for programming (via websites or
> books).
> 
> tia!
> 
> -- 
> Michael J. Babcock, MCP
> MB Software Solutions, LLC
> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
> http://fabmate.com
> "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software
> solutions!"
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[OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Below is an interesting link with brief statements about the players 
that shaped the US middle east policies during the Bush Administration 
years.  The link give some hints to think about as to the big picture.

http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

Regards,

LelandJ


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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Michael Madigan]

Shame on you.


--- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Below is an interesting link with brief statements
> about the players 
> that shaped the US middle east policies during the
> Bush Administration 
> years.  The link give some hints to think about as
> to the big picture.
> 
> http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Michael Madigan]

Do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax too?  That's
what this site says.



--- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Below is an interesting link with brief statements
> about the players 
> that shaped the US middle east policies during the
> Bush Administration 
> years.  The link give some hints to think about as
> to the big picture.
> 
> http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
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Re: Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

[Bill Anderson]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Bill Anderson wrote:
>   
>> MB Software Solutions wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Did anyone else get a letter from Servoy USA (out of Thousand Lakes, 
>>> CA)?  It's from a guy named Bob Kirsch.  It's specifically targeted at 
>>> VFP/Fox folks.
>>>
>>> I scanned it and put it here:  
>>> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/servoy.pdf
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>> I didn't get this PDF, but I did get a blind email several weeks ago, as 
>> did others on the LA Fox board. Then, a few weeks later, I got a blind 
>> request for a Notes/Servoy/PHP developer. Strange, since I had never 
>> heard of Servoy before.
>>
>> Bob and company will be speaking at LA Fox on Tuesday. I'm looking 
>> forward to seeing what they have to offer but if they're gonna come in 
>> and talk down VFP they've come to the wrong place...
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>   
>> 
>
> So this Bob Kirsch is scheduled for LA Fox?  You'll have to give us the 
> day-after report!
Yep, it's the same Bob Kirsch.

Bill



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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

I would be a week reading every link in that site.  Could you point of 
the link which indicates the Holocaust was a hoax.

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:
> Do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax too?  That's
> what this site says.
>
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> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>   
>> Below is an interesting link with brief statements
>> about the players 
>> that shaped the US middle east policies during the
>> Bush Administration 
>> years.  The link give some hints to think about as
>> to the big picture.
>>
>> http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Michael Madigan]

Go down the home page where they're selling a "I
survived the Holohoax" t-shirt

http://www.nogw.com


--- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I would be a week reading every link in that site. 
> Could you point of 
> the link which indicates the Holocaust was a hoax.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > Do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax too? 
> That's
> > what this site says.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Below is an interesting link with brief
> statements
> >> about the players 
> >> that shaped the US middle east policies during
> the
> >> Bush Administration 
> >> years.  The link give some hints to think about
> as
> >> to the big picture.
> >>
> >> http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> LelandJ
> >>
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Re: Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

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Bill Anderson wrote:
> Yep, it's the same Bob Kirsch.
>   

Looks like some sort of Java product.

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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

I think the except below is correct in stating the Germans were 
meticulously in keeping records of the names of those who perished in 
the death camp slaughter houses.  I believe the archives of these 
records have recently been made available to the survivors, so they can 
know the fate of family members, but the records in the archive 
substantiate the Holocaust, rather than refute it.

Although the site is clearly incorrect in its denial of the Holocaust, 
it does provide some valid information for thought.  For example, I 
didn't know that President Bush's nomination of Robert Zoellick to 
replace Paul Wolfowitz  as head of the World  Bank is also a card 
carrying member of PNAC.

By the way, tell me again why we went to war with Iraq?

#---
Excerpt:
Studies of the grounds of Auschwitz - which is claimed to be the main 
'death center' - show no evidence of mass killings. The crematoriums 
were not large enough to kill millions of people and the so called 'gas 
chambers' were merely used to disinfect clothing and other items that 
carried diseases. The Germans were fastidious record keepers. It is said 
that they employed a system designed by IBM. According to their records, 
a total of 60,421 Jewish people died in Auschwitz from 1941 until the 
camp was closed in 1944. The vast majority, 58,240, died of typhus.

#-

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:
> Go down the home page where they're selling a "I
> survived the Holohoax" t-shirt
>
> http://www.nogw.com
>
>
> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> I would be a week reading every link in that site. 
>> Could you point of 
>> the link which indicates the Holocaust was a hoax.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax too? 
>>>   
>> That's
>> 
>>> what this site says.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA"
>>>   
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Below is an interesting link with brief
 
>> statements
>> 
 about the players 
 that shaped the US middle east policies during
 
>> the
>> 
 Bush Administration 
 years.  The link give some hints to think about
 
>> as
>> 
 to the big picture.

 http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

 Regards,

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RE: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

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> Subject: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into
> programming
> 
> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn programming.  I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
> fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).
> 
> tia!
> 
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Michael:  When my daughter wanted to learn a language, I had her learn
FoxPro because there was a job for it working for her dad.  

I learned Assembler, BASIC and FORTRAN in school but never used them (BASIC
was in its original form used to teach people FORTRAN).  I learned CPM
because of the Commodore 64.  I learned COBOL, RPG, and Business BASIC for
jobs that I took.  I started my own business with QuickBasic and rewrote the
application in FoxPro.  I have been using FoxPro for 16 years now.

When I learned FoxPro I thought it was the best language I have ever used.
I still feel for what I am doing it still is the very best.  It is easy to
code, frameworks available, easy to implement at multiple sites, looks great
and runs great.

In the last three or four years I have had to add features to my
applications that required third-party libraries.  I have been using West
Wind almost exclusively because they don't require registering with the OS.
This adds complexity and quite a bit of code.

Many of my applications pull XML from a web site.  My FoxPro code requires
West Wind to get the job done.  Email notifications is another example.  

Python on the other hand requires 4 lines of code to do the same thing -
natively.  You may or may not have heard this but "Python just works".

Native Python does everything and the syntax is very easy to use and
understand.  There are hundreds of frameworks that help target Python to a
particular problem - like Dabo.  You can do database access natively in
Python, but Ed and Paul have developed a framework that makes it even
easier.  This doesn't apply to your nephew, but their framework makes it
easy for FoxPro people to do Python.  Dabo also wraps wxpython and provides
a very consistent interface to the GUI - something us FoxPro people are used
to.

>From someone that has programmed in many languages for over 35 years I think
Python is the best thing going right now.  I would recommend it to beginners
and experienced FoxPro programmers.

It is like FoxPro and BASIC before it in that it reminds me of the ocean.
You can bob around on the surface and be very happy.  You can also delve
into the depths of the water.

Jeff  

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[NF] Verizon's Copper Cutoff

[Michael Madigan]

Verizon is cutting the copper wire when installing
fibre optic, so if a customer wants to switch to
another DSL carrier later, they are screwed.

If you're going to try FIOS, tell them you don't want
your copper disconnected.


http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/08/ap3892179.html

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Re: [NF] Verizon's Copper Cutoff

[Chet Gardiner]

Gee, I dumped verizon and went with this outfit:   
www.workingassetswireless.com

A VP from Verizon called me later then lied to me.  Bastard told me they 
didn't send any of my call detail to the bushies -- but they did.

Screw 'em...



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> fibre optic, so if a customer wants to switch to
> another DSL carrier later, they are screwed.
>
> If you're going to try FIOS, tell them you don't want
> your copper disconnected.
>
>
> http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/08/ap3892179.html
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Re: Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

[Ed Leafe]

On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:02 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:

> Did anyone else get a letter from Servoy USA (out of Thousand Lakes,
> CA)?  It's from a guy named Bob Kirsch.  It's specifically targeted at
> VFP/Fox folks.

Just a letter? I got a glossy brochure from them.

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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming

[Ed Leafe]

On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:

> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn programming.  I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
> fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).

I second Jeff's comments about Python. It is much more general- 
purpose than VFP, in that you can do stuff that has nothing to do  
with data at all, and you aren't tied to a single platform. One of  
the guys in our user group writes a lot of the embedded logic for  
Xerox's machines in Python that runs on some custom OS used for those  
circuit boards.

Sure, you can do desktop apps with Dabo, but you can also do web  
apps just as easily. You can write shell scripts easier in Python  
than in bash, sh or zsh, and Python code is so much easier to read  
than Perl. The software that is used for this list is written in  
Python, as is SpamBayes and BitTorrent.

IOW, the possibilities are endless. That is extremely important to  
someone starting out. It would be a very bad move to limit oneself to  
a single vendor or a single platform.

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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

This link is about a show I saw on 60 minutes:


Revisiting The Horrors Of The Holocaust


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/14/60minutes/main2267927.shtml

or

http://tinyurl.com/34s3lv

Regards,

LelandJ


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>
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>> Below is an interesting link with brief statements
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>> that shaped the US middle east policies during the
>> Bush Administration 
>> years.  The link give some hints to think about as
>> to the big picture.
>>
>> http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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Re: Mailing from Servoy USA for Fox folks

[MB Software Solutions]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:02 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
>
>   
>> Did anyone else get a letter from Servoy USA (out of Thousand Lakes,
>> CA)?  It's from a guy named Bob Kirsch.  It's specifically targeted at
>> VFP/Fox folks.
>> 
>
>   Just a letter? I got a glossy brochure from them.
>
>   

Yes, that too.  I just was typing for brevity.Your thoughts on 
it, Ed?

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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get intoprogramming

[kam]

Sounds great to me.

Now if we had a converter that would convert a significant percentage of VFP 
code to python, you would probably see a lot of people 
with a better future. I can assure you that the next time we rewrite code, it 
will not be in a language that is tied to a single 
operating system and/or vendor.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Leafe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get intoprogramming


On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:

> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do.  He wants to learn programming.  I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
> fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).

I second Jeff's comments about Python. It is much more general-
purpose than VFP, in that you can do stuff that has nothing to do
with data at all, and you aren't tied to a single platform. One of
the guys in our user group writes a lot of the embedded logic for
Xerox's machines in Python that runs on some custom OS used for those
circuit boards.

Sure, you can do desktop apps with Dabo, but you can also do web
apps just as easily. You can write shell scripts easier in Python
than in bash, sh or zsh, and Python code is so much easier to read
than Perl. The software that is used for this list is written in
Python, as is SpamBayes and BitTorrent.

IOW, the possibilities are endless. That is extremely important to
someone starting out. It would be a very bad move to limit oneself to
a single vendor or a single platform.

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Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get intoprogramming

[MB Software Solutions]

kam wrote:
> Sounds great to me.
>
> Now if we had a converter that would convert a significant percentage of VFP 
> code to python, you would probably see a lot of people 
> with a better future. I can assure you that the next time we rewrite code, it 
> will not be in a language that is tied to a single 
> operating system and/or vendor.
>   
Do you think that M$ is aware that folks are thinking this since their 
DotNet revolution?  Or perhaps they feel that those are in the "20" 
(percent) crowd and they only really care about the "80" (percent) crowd 
as they'll still come out on top (profitability-wise) anyway

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RE: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to getintoprogramming

[Jeff Johnson]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of kam
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:11 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to
> getintoprogramming
> 
> Sounds great to me.
> 
> Now if we had a converter that would convert a significant percentage of
> VFP code to python, you would probably see a lot of people
> with a better future. I can assure you that the next time we rewrite code,
> it will not be in a language that is tied to a single
> operating system and/or vendor.
> 

Kam:  Like I have mentioned in my posts, I have written applications in many
languages.  They are all different.  I will, however, say that BASIC, VFP
and Python are very similar!  Years ago I compiled my QuickBasic code in
FoxPro and corrected the errors.

I recommend continuing what you are doing and experiment with Python when
you have time.  There are several great books.  One of my favorite is the
"Python Phrasebook".

You will be surprised how quickly you come up to speed in Python.  Also,
everyone talks about the VFP community.  Well, you will be surprised at the
Python community and the number of frameworks.

Jeff

Jeff Johnson
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Re: [OT] Audi wins fourth straight Le Mans race

[Pete Theisen]

On Sunday 08 July 2007 13:34, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> The TDI diesel auto is proving to be one tough car; see excerpt below,
> or click on link for full article:

Hi Leland!

Fine in trucks, too noisy and rough for cars.
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Re: [OT] George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

[Pete Theisen]

On Sunday 08 July 2007 15:42, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Below is an interesting link with brief statements about the players
> that shaped the US middle east policies during the Bush Administration
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>
> http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

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