RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless political posturing. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). There are complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of behavior. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Russia lowered its threat level from Actively Support Iran to Covertly Support Iran in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling, and a naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge swaths of Eastern Europe back to Russia's sphere of influence. USA went from I don't know why everybody hates us to fighting Islamic terrorism to let's bomb those towel heads to support our poor boys dying out there to a final Hey, the war is over there, they are not supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008401ca4336$26d37e10$747a7a...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Geoff only laughs when he's kissing a kangaroo --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:58 AM Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless political posturing. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). There are complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of behavior. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Russia lowered its threat level from Actively Support Iran to Covertly Support Iran in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling, and a naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge swaths of Eastern Europe back to Russia's sphere of influence. USA went from I don't know why everybody hates us to fighting Islamic terrorism to let's bomb those towel heads to support our poor boys dying out there to a final Hey, the war is over there, they are not supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/183089.61795...@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about Roman Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with the rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has great character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him. I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS terrorist threat levels... :) - Bob - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless political posturing. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). There are complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of behavior. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Russia lowered its threat level from Actively Support Iran to Covertly Support Iran in the face of ineffectual Western sanction- rattling, and a naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge swaths of Eastern Europe back to Russia's sphere of influence. USA went from I don't know why everybody hates us to fighting Islamic terrorism to let's bomb those towel heads to support our poor boys dying out there to a final Hey, the war is over there, they are not supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009401ca4338$9cc7f4a0$d657dd...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). I wasn't insulting Russia's character, just answering Peter's question. ;) Most Russians in the US would agree with my assessment anyway. You should hear what Russians in Russia say about the US and our new Prez. Talk about needing thick skin! - Bob There are complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of behavior. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009501ca4339$19429030$4bc7b0...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about Roman Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with the rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has great character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him. I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS terrorist threat levels... :) - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009601ca433a$ab8896a0$0299c3...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Brought to you by the people who gave you IE
Office 2007, Visual Studio 2008, all unreliable, right. I can guarantee you they're at least as resilient as any OSS equivalent that I've seen. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1254474606.22380.1337698...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
as if to prove the point... -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 5:29 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless political posturing. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). There are complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of behavior. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Russia lowered its threat level from Actively Support Iran to Covertly Support Iran in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling, and a naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge swaths of Eastern Europe back to Russia's sphere of influence. USA went from I don't know why everybody hates us to fighting Islamic terrorism to let's bomb those towel heads to support our poor boys dying out there to a final Hey, the war is over there, they are not supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00c801ca4342$40ebacd0$c2c306...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Czar Opportunities -- was: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about Roman Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with the rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has great character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him. Actually, now that it has been revealed that Letterman was boning his staff and exposed himself thereby to an extortion racket, he clearly has a better resume than Polanski for the Joke Czar position. And sometimes, he's even funny. A better position for Polanski, given the competitive landscape, might be the Teen Pregnancy Czar. He clearly knows what needs to be done to deal to solve THAT problem. - Bob I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS terrorist threat levels... :) - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009a01ca4342$57c2fee0$0748fc...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Gosh, you're smart. You figure things out so fast! - Bob as if to prove the point... -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 5:29 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless political posturing. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). There are complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of behavior. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Bob Calco wrote: Russia lowered its threat level from Actively Support Iran to Covertly Support Iran in the face of ineffectual Western sanction- rattling, and a naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge swaths of Eastern Europe back to Russia's sphere of influence. USA went from I don't know why everybody hates us to fighting Islamic terrorism to let's bomb those towel heads to support our poor boys dying out there to a final Hey, the war is over there, they are not supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009b01ca4343$b1d1ffc0$1575ff...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Gosh, you're smart. You figure things out so fast! Are you bothered ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a2b0cc710910020245o470d7d89g2141f52e3a1a9...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Czar Opportunities
OK, rather than criticize Obama all the time, I'm going to do my patriotic duty and suggest in all earnestness some more Czar positions our Dear Leader should consider, and candidates for those positions. Joke Czar - David Letterman - Boned his staff, exposed to extortion racket. Clear favorite. Al Franken - Even though he isn't funny, it'd be great to get him out of the Senate before his ties to ACORN and the voter fraud that gave him his slim victory are exposed. Teen Pregnancy Czar --- Roman Polanski - Hands down (legs up) favorite. He knows the difference between safe sex and rape-rape (Source: Whoopi Goldberg). Obesity Czar Michael Moore - Capitalism may have done nothing for him, but those Twinkies sure have. Added bonus, he's an avowed Socialist, almost as upfront about it as Van Jones. Botox Czar --- John Kerry - Did you know he served in Viet Nam? Another one whose talents are wasted in the Senate. Ass Snarfing Czar -- Chuck Schumer - A classic example of the candidate defining the position. Presidential Back Rub Czar -- Barbara Streisand - Clearly qualified. Or in any case, eager. Oprah Winfrey - Early favorite. She coined the term The One first. Chris Matthews - That tingle in his leg emits an electric charge through his fingertips that are probably therapeutic, if you're into that kind of thing. Media Accuracy Czar Dan Rather - Fake but accurate is clearly a standard he defined, and it's been adopted by all the so-called mainstream news outlets. Who better to defend Obama's bogus online Certification of Live Birth? FOX News Watchdog Czar -- Ed Schultz - We need somebody objective to counter all the CRAZY stuff Beck is saying. Ed's demonstrated this by famously pointing out on his MSNBC show that all Republicans want people to die of cancer. Olympic Czar AHnold Schwartzennegger - Need another token Republican-in-name-only (RINO), and his handling of the California budget shows he's clearly the kind of person Mayor Daley would love to keep track of expenses for the Olympic games. Celebrity Book Czar Bill Ayers - Without whom Dreams would have never been published. Somebody needs to fact-check Going Rogue before it hits the shelves. Religion Czar -- Jeremiah Wright - His commitment to the Black Liberation Theology of James Cone and anti-Semitism are just what this nation needs to heal across the religious divide. Bill Maher - He hates religion and loves to mock people who believe in God, but otherwise he's perfectly qualified and fits in ideologically with the rest of Team Obama. Mortgage Loan Czar Wade Rathke - Founded ACORN, and will need a job soon. His group was very active in this area. Barney Frank - Who better to fix the current mess than one of its primary architects in the House? Franklin Raines - As head of Fannie Mae during the mortgage debacle, he has the same basic qualification as Barney Frank, except he's smarter, and gave lots of $$$ to The One's campaign. Military Morale Czar - Dick Durbin - Famously compared our troops to Nazis and murderers. Why not? Harry Reid - Also will need a new job soon. Famously advised General Petraeus that the Iraq war is hopelessly lost, even as the surge was substantially improving conditions on the ground. Bipartisanship Czar This one should be a triumvirate: John McCain, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins. Arlen Specter was in the running until he came out of the closet. those are just off the top of my head ideas welcome... ;) - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:26 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: [OT] Czar Opportunities -- was: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about Roman Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with the rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has great character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him. Actually, now that it has been revealed that Letterman was boning his staff and exposed himself thereby to an extortion racket, he clearly has a better resume than Polanski for the Joke Czar position. And sometimes, he's even funny. A better position for Polanski, given the competitive landscape, might be the Teen Pregnancy Czar. He clearly knows what needs to be done to deal to solve THAT problem. - Bob I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS terrorist threat levels... :) - Bob [excessive quoting removed by server]
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Gosh, you're smart. You figure things out so fast! Are you bothered ? Not at all! Pretty chipper today, actually. That's at least two or three posts in a row without a yawn. Glad to see you're feeling better. - Bob A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009d01ca4349$7443bb70$5ccb32...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Something free from M$
I've been reading a bit of this thread. And, today on the train I saw a sign which said that Optimum Online customers get free AV protection SW. And, at home - our internet is Optimum Online. So, just now I went online - and I found that it's the Comp. Assoc.'s Internet Security suite that they are offering up to us. Now - I also know that this Free MS AV is in the 1st release. So - I was curious. Anyone have any experience with it? And, anyone have any experience with the CA suite? Finally - for this one home PC of mine - I am considering just occasionally hitting the TrendMicro free InternetScan deal. (This particular computer - I don't do much Net stuff with it - mostly working with my 3D animation software.) Any thoughts??? TIA, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:02 AM 2009/9/30 Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com: Stephen Russell wrote: 2009/9/29 Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com: An innovative marketing trick would be to ship a fully tested product, Doesn't everyone? I don't consider security breeches untested. Sure, Micro$hit has NEVER EVER shipped an insufficiently tested product. And customers do NEVER EVER say wait till SP2 to buy it. I was having this same argument with Cinderella and the Easter Bunny last night. - I know that wait till SP1 is released and approved has been my mantra with respect to PRODUCTION systems... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a1405578...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/8283061.stm Welcome Back, Carter! - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a101ca4376$6709ae10$351d0a...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round
Drudge headline says it all: THE EGO HAS LANDED Just to give you a glimpse of what a narcissist Obama is, here are clips from his speech to the IOC: - - - No one expects the Games to solve our collective challenges. But we do believe that in a world where we have too often witnessed the darker aspects of our humanity, peaceful competition between nations represents what is best about our humanity. It brings us together, if only for a few weeks, face to face. It helps us understand one another just a little better. It reminds us that no matter how or where we differ, we all seek our own measure of happiness, and fulfillment, and pride in what we do. And that is a very powerful starting point for progress. Nearly one year ago, on a clear November night, people from every corner of the world gathered in the city of Chicago or in front of their televisions to watch the results of the U.S. Presidential election. Their interest wasn't about me as an individual. Rather, it was rooted in the belief that America's experiment in democracy still speaks to a set of universal aspirations and ideals. It sprung from the hope that in this ever-shrinking world, our diversity could be a source of strength and cause for celebration; and that with sustained work and determination, we could learn to live and prosper together during the fleeting moment we share on this Earth. - - - Translation: Why pick Chicago? Because America picked ME. ME ME ME ME ME ME. I am the HOPE you've been waiting for. So, pick Chicago, please. If that's not bad enough, get a load of this QA response: - - - Responding to a question by Syed Shahid Ali, the IOC member for Pakistan, about the pretty harrowing experience of many foreign visitors to the US, he said: One of the legacies I want to see coming out of 2016 is a reminder that America, at its best, is open to the world. We are putting the full force of the White house and the State Department into making sure that not only is this a successful Games but that visitors from all around the world feel welcome and will come away with a sense of the incredible diversity of the American people.. We've got everyone. This could be a meeting in Chicago, because we look like the world. Over the last several years sometimes that fundamental truth about the United States has been lost, he said. One of the legacies of this Olympic Games would be the restoration of that understanding of what the United States is all about and a recognition of how we are linked to the world. - - - Now, this is classic, and the irony is thicker than even Ricardo's cranium. So, a dude from PAKISTAN asks the President why America's gotten so difficult for foreigners lately. And The One's answer? What new? George Bush. (We all know the last several years is has become his thinly code-word for George Bush's fault, he uses it all the damn time, almost like Mark Twain would use an apostrophe.) What a yutz. I'm glad he didn't get what he wanted; he badly needs an ego smack down. I'm sad for the country though. Whatever were we thinking on that clear November night?! - Bob http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/8283061.stm Welcome Back, Carter! - Bob [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a201ca437a$31c8ba30$955a2e...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round
This guy is the biggest narcissist I have ever seen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism It looks like Obama actually hurt the vote. Nobody thought Chicago would be out in the first round. Look for Copenhagen and Rio to be hit with cruise missiles later today. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:05 PM Drudge headline says it all: THE EGO HAS LANDED Just to give you a glimpse of what a narcissist Obama is, here are clips from his speech to the IOC: - - - No one expects the Games to solve our collective challenges. But we do believe that in a world where we have too often witnessed the darker aspects of our humanity, peaceful competition between nations represents what is best about our humanity. It brings us together, if only for a few weeks, face to face. It helps us understand one another just a little better. It reminds us that no matter how or where we differ, we all seek our own measure of happiness, and fulfillment, and pride in what we do. And that is a very powerful starting point for progress. Nearly one year ago, on a clear November night, people from every corner of the world gathered in the city of Chicago or in front of their televisions to watch the results of the U.S. Presidential election. Their interest wasn't about me as an individual. Rather, it was rooted in the belief that America's experiment in democracy still speaks to a set of universal aspirations and ideals. It sprung from the hope that in this ever-shrinking world, our diversity could be a source of strength and cause for celebration; and that with sustained work and determination, we could learn to live and prosper together during the fleeting moment we share on this Earth. - - - Translation: Why pick Chicago? Because America picked ME. ME ME ME ME ME ME. I am the HOPE you've been waiting for. So, pick Chicago, please. If that's not bad enough, get a load of this QA response: - - - Responding to a question by Syed Shahid Ali, the IOC member for Pakistan, about the pretty harrowing experience of many foreign visitors to the US, he said: One of the legacies I want to see coming out of 2016 is a reminder that America, at its best, is open to the world. We are putting the full force of the White house and the State Department into making sure that not only is this a successful Games but that visitors from all around the world feel welcome and will come away with a sense of the incredible diversity of the American people.. We've got everyone. This could be a meeting in Chicago, because we look like the world. Over the last several years sometimes that fundamental truth about the United States has been lost, he said. One of the legacies of this Olympic Games would be the restoration of that understanding of what the United States is all about and a recognition of how we are linked to the world. - - - Now, this is classic, and the irony is thicker than even Ricardo's cranium. So, a dude from PAKISTAN asks the President why America's gotten so difficult for foreigners lately. And The One's answer? What new? George Bush. (We all know the last several years is has become his thinly code-word for George Bush's fault, he uses it all the damn time, almost like Mark Twain would use an apostrophe.) What a yutz. I'm glad he didn't get what he wanted; he badly needs an ego smack down. I'm sad for the country though. Whatever were we thinking on that clear November night?! - Bob http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/8283061.stm Welcome Back, Carter! - Bob [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/964287.9346...@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Bob Calco wrote: Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? Let's see if I can explain such a subtle concept if you tell a French man that all French are cowards and collaborated with the Nazis, he's not going to laugh. He may laugh if you in the same line make a similar (in viciousness) comment about your own country, and only if he's got a HUGE sense of humour. Is it too complicated? Should I try to simplify the concept for you to grasp it? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4ac63ae0.4070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Bob Calco wrote: Bob Calco wrote: Argentina doesn't have threat levels per se but rather national moods. It recently changed its national mood from Not Crying For You to Laughing At Our Own Irrelevance. Other moods include Preoccupied With Our Own Body Functions, and Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude. Yup, we also have Let's make NATO change their naval tactics and Let's use a couple of Exocets. But you've probably never heard about them. BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So if you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about Argentina, but the previous posts). I wasn't insulting Russia's character, just answering Peter's question. ;) What about France, Spain and Belgium? In the originating post? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4ac63b37.6070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round
Michael Madigan wrote: This guy is the biggest narcissist I have ever seen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism It looks like Obama actually hurt the vote. Nobody thought Chicago would be out in the first round. Look for Copenhagen and Rio to be hit with cruise missiles later today. Just to give you a glimpse of what a narcissist Obama is, Hi Michael, Oh, even The One wouldn't have *that* much chutzpah. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4ac645ae.8040...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
What about France, Spain and Belgium? In the originating post? I didn't send the original post. But I did think it was funny. Even Geoff liked it. I didn't realize you were such a sensitive guy. - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a301ca438f$40b2bb80$c21832...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Bob Calco wrote: Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is the Joke Czar when you need one? Let's see if I can explain such a subtle concept if you tell a French man that all French are cowards and collaborated with the Nazis, he's not going to laugh. No, he's going to surrender. He may laugh if you in the same line make a similar (in viciousness) comment about your own country, and only if he's got a HUGE sense of humour. Is it too complicated? Should I try to simplify the concept for you to grasp it? You're too funny. - Bob [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a401ca438f$5b13f7a0$113be6...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Something free from M$
Kurt, I have been using the CA suite from about 7 years now. It works well if you take the time to tune it for your system by excluding some folders form real time protection. I dropped my swap file and temp folder I control in the exclusion list. Don't exclude the temp folders Windows, your Browser or your E-Mail client create. Jim -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:00 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Something free from M$ I've been reading a bit of this thread. And, today on the train I saw a sign which said that Optimum Online customers get free AV protection SW. And, at home - our internet is Optimum Online. So, just now I went online - and I found that it's the Comp. Assoc.'s Internet Security suite that they are offering up to us. Now - I also know that this Free MS AV is in the 1st release. So - I was curious. Anyone have any experience with it? And, anyone have any experience with the CA suite? Finally - for this one home PC of mine - I am considering just occasionally hitting the TrendMicro free InternetScan deal. (This particular computer - I don't do much Net stuff with it - mostly working with my 3D animation software.) Any thoughts??? TIA, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:02 AM 2009/9/30 Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com: Stephen Russell wrote: 2009/9/29 Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com: An innovative marketing trick would be to ship a fully tested product, Doesn't everyone? I don't consider security breeches untested. Sure, Micro$hit has NEVER EVER shipped an insufficiently tested product. And customers do NEVER EVER say wait till SP2 to buy it. I was having this same argument with Cinderella and the Easter Bunny last night. - I know that wait till SP1 is released and approved has been my mantra with respect to PRODUCTION systems... [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/7aaa8e74e1464464bed2cdffae9c5...@engineeringm ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
Bob Calco wrote: What about France, Spain and Belgium? In the originating post? I didn't send the original post. But I did think it was funny. Even Geoff liked it. I didn't realize you were such a sensitive guy. I'm not if you are not sensitive about the twin towers. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4ac64b2c.4080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Something free from M$
Thank you Very much for your input Jim - will take it into advisement. Regards, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jim Felton Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:41 PM Kurt, I have been using the CA suite from about 7 years now. It works well if you take the time to tune it for your system by excluding some folders form real time protection. I dropped my swap file and temp folder I control in the exclusion list. Don't exclude the temp folders Windows, your Browser or your E-Mail client create. Jim -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:00 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Something free from M$ I've been reading a bit of this thread. And, today on the train I saw a sign which said that Optimum Online customers get free AV protection SW. And, at home - our internet is Optimum Online. So, just now I went online - and I found that it's the Comp. Assoc.'s Internet Security suite that they are offering up to us. Now - I also know that this Free MS AV is in the 1st release. So - I was curious. Anyone have any experience with it? And, anyone have any experience with the CA suite? Finally - for this one home PC of mine - I am considering just occasionally hitting the TrendMicro free InternetScan deal. (This particular computer - I don't do much Net stuff with it - mostly working with my 3D animation software.) Any thoughts??? TIA, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:02 AM 2009/9/30 Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com: Stephen Russell wrote: 2009/9/29 Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com: An innovative marketing trick would be to ship a fully tested product, Doesn't everyone? I don't consider security breeches untested. Sure, Micro$hit has NEVER EVER shipped an insufficiently tested product. And customers do NEVER EVER say wait till SP2 to buy it. I was having this same argument with Cinderella and the Easter Bunny last night. - I know that wait till SP1 is released and approved has been my mantra with respect to PRODUCTION systems... [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a1405578...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Intuit QuickBase developer sought for side work
Sylvan has a need for a QuickBase developer. Rate is decent but not too many hours. Contact me offline if interested. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4ac665b9.3090...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: How to get reference to selected control
Sys(1270) ? -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: October 2, 2009 4:53 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: How to get reference to selected control Ok I'm back at Fox to make a tweak to a legacy app, and I can't for the life of me remember how to get a reference to the currently selected control in the class designer from the command window. I want to get that reference and issue: obj.Parent.saveAsClass(MyNewClass) I used to do this all the time, but I can't remember now how I got the reference, and I can't seem to find it in the VFP help doc. TIA! Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ac8e1658bfca0b4f8661f250d64b7bed5ce...@nhev304.hrdc-drhc.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: How to get reference to selected control
Paul McNett wrote: Ok I'm back at Fox to make a tweak to a legacy app, and I can't for the life of me remember how to get a reference to the currently selected control in the class designer from the command window. I want to get that reference and issue: obj.Parent.saveAsClass(MyNewClass) I used to do this all the time, but I can't remember now how I got the reference, and I can't seem to find it in the VFP help doc. Of course, ASELOBJ() Thanks anyway! Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4ac6693d.1000...@ulmcnett.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Brought to you by the people who gave you IE
At 18:08 2009-10-01, Paul McNett p...@ulmcnett.com wrote: Gene Wirchenko wrote: Which is about what I said. Apart from OSs, Microsoft is quite easily avoided. For OSs, there is lock-in. Excel isn't so easy to avoid, in the real world where all my clients use it and I must automate it. Gleep! I forgot about that. I have a bit of Outlook automation in my system myself. set friday on How about I just call it quits for a couple of days? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/20091002210050.6722c98...@marge.leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
