RE: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?

[Dave Crozier]

Graham,
To be honest I don't use the emulator as it is so slow. If you just link a 
tablet and enable USB debugging on it then the whole experience is instant with 
no delay at all. 

The only thing I use the emulator for is to check out that the final app is 
visually OK on all sized screens. Other than that is is just about useless.

Dave

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Thanks

Is it normal for the emulator to take 25 mins to start up?
Is there any minimum memory or processor specs for this?

PC spec is 2.4ghz with 2gb of ram.

Regards
Graham



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Sent: 22 August 2013 14:45
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I am starting to work with https://www.syncfusion.com/products/aspnet-mvc

Bought in at a much cheaper amount.  :)  Also have to work with barcodes and 
camera for this app.  Has local data and can hook up as soon as wifi is 
available which is a big issue for my environments.




On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Graham Brown  wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
> Thanks.
> B4A looks really cool.
>
> I've been trying to get Eclipse working without success. The emulator 
> refuses to load, Wasted days on this which is real disappointment. Not 
> sure if the processor or ram is enough for Eclipse. Have you had any 
> similar problems with B4A?
>
> The initial request from the client is an android only application for 
> their field service engineers. The FSE will fill in a form, take some 
> pictures and get the customer to sign on screen. Signatures will store 
> this against the job either by emailing or later downloading.
> Everything from the Android app will be sent back to the office for 
> processing in the VFP app, I'll need to print the signature at some 
> point so would need to be image file rather than points.
>
> Does B4A allow you to manage the camera e.g. take pictures, save or 
> email them?
> Also capture a signature?
>
>
> I often work with an IT chap who is looking for business apps on all 
> three platforms. Mobiforms infers you write once and can deploy to 
> Android, IPhone and Windows mobile. Just thinking as a solution that 
> asks a dozen or so questions, fill in some notes, take a few pictures 
> and collect a signature possibly Mobiforms may be able to do that across 
> platforms?
>
> In your opinion does Mobiforms do what it says on the tin just not in 
> a feature rich  way?
>
> I'd be interested to see some screenshots of things you've created if 
> you are ok to share.
> Graham at compsys dot co dot uk or info at
>
> Cheers
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave 
> Crozier
> Sent: 22 August 2013 10:16
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?
>
> Graham,
> Forget it, it is completely crap. I spent a few days evaluating it and 
> it is just not flexible enough. If you are looking at Android 
> development then instead look at Basic4Android. Absolutely excellent 
> and the full dev system is only £40 UK money.
>
> I rewrote our old Microsoft PDA complete stock take system on it in 3 
> days from scratch, linked it into our wifi system for data transfer 
> and then interfaced it into VFP. All on £80 tablets and I have run the 
> app unchanged on a complete range from smartphones to 10" tabs.
>
> I have nothing but praise for it, forget that it is called basic as it 
> has all the oops bits in there with classes, etc. and a really strong 
> user group and once over the initial strangeness of writing Android 
> apps with all the "screen states" you need to understand about it's an 
> easy learn from VFP.
>
> If you want any more details then drop me an email as I can also get 
> it for you at a reduced price.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Graham 
> Brown
> Sent: 22 August 2013 09:27
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Has anyone come across Mobiforms?
>
>
>
> I have a vfp8 project, the customer wants an Android based front end 
> on a smartphone.
>
> The Eclipse/ADT route looks like a complete nightmare, mobiforms says 
> it is a RAD environment for Android, Windows Phone and Iphone.
>
>
>
> Sounds too good to be true...
>
>
>
> If anybody has come across this product I'd appreciate any comments.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?

[Dave Crozier]

... but my emulator starts up in about 45 seconds from a cold start so I think 
you have something not quite right.

My spec is HP i5 with 8Gb

Dave
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Sent: 22 August 2013 17:27
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?

Thanks

Is it normal for the emulator to take 25 mins to start up?
Is there any minimum memory or processor specs for this?

PC spec is 2.4ghz with 2gb of ram.

Regards
Graham



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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
Sent: 22 August 2013 14:45
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?

I am starting to work with https://www.syncfusion.com/products/aspnet-mvc

Bought in at a much cheaper amount.  :)  Also have to work with barcodes and 
camera for this app.  Has local data and can hook up as soon as wifi is 
available which is a big issue for my environments.




On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Graham Brown  wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
> Thanks.
> B4A looks really cool.
>
> I've been trying to get Eclipse working without success. The emulator 
> refuses to load, Wasted days on this which is real disappointment. Not 
> sure if the processor or ram is enough for Eclipse. Have you had any 
> similar problems with B4A?
>
> The initial request from the client is an android only application for 
> their field service engineers. The FSE will fill in a form, take some 
> pictures and get the customer to sign on screen. Signatures will store 
> this against the job either by emailing or later downloading.
> Everything from the Android app will be sent back to the office for 
> processing in the VFP app, I'll need to print the signature at some 
> point so would need to be image file rather than points.
>
> Does B4A allow you to manage the camera e.g. take pictures, save or 
> email them?
> Also capture a signature?
>
>
> I often work with an IT chap who is looking for business apps on all 
> three platforms. Mobiforms infers you write once and can deploy to 
> Android, IPhone and Windows mobile. Just thinking as a solution that 
> asks a dozen or so questions, fill in some notes, take a few pictures 
> and collect a signature possibly Mobiforms may be able to do that across 
> platforms?
>
> In your opinion does Mobiforms do what it says on the tin just not in 
> a feature rich  way?
>
> I'd be interested to see some screenshots of things you've created if 
> you are ok to share.
> Graham at compsys dot co dot uk or info at
>
> Cheers
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave 
> Crozier
> Sent: 22 August 2013 10:16
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?
>
> Graham,
> Forget it, it is completely crap. I spent a few days evaluating it and 
> it is just not flexible enough. If you are looking at Android 
> development then instead look at Basic4Android. Absolutely excellent 
> and the full dev system is only £40 UK money.
>
> I rewrote our old Microsoft PDA complete stock take system on it in 3 
> days from scratch, linked it into our wifi system for data transfer 
> and then interfaced it into VFP. All on £80 tablets and I have run the 
> app unchanged on a complete range from smartphones to 10" tabs.
>
> I have nothing but praise for it, forget that it is called basic as it 
> has all the oops bits in there with classes, etc. and a really strong 
> user group and once over the initial strangeness of writing Android 
> apps with all the "screen states" you need to understand about it's an 
> easy learn from VFP.
>
> If you want any more details then drop me an email as I can also get 
> it for you at a reduced price.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Graham 
> Brown
> Sent: 22 August 2013 09:27
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Has anyone come across Mobiforms?
>
>
>
> I have a vfp8 project, the customer wants an Android based front end 
> on a smartphone.
>
> The Eclipse/ADT route looks like a complete nightmare, mobiforms says 
> it is a RAD environment for Android, Windows Phone and Iphone.
>
>
>
> Sounds too good to be true...
>
>
>
> If anybody has come across this product I'd appreciate any comments.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Man-wai Chang]

Better stay with Window$. Save the money to buy a tablet.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:
> My experience with laptops (and all derivatives thereof) would rank Lenovo
> at a 9, Asus at a 6, and Acer at a 5.
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> From: Malcolm Greene 
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Date: 8/22/2013 6:41 PM
>>
>> Hi strangers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for a recommendation for a Windows 8 laptop. My requirements:
>> Very light weight, max RAM (4 Gb+ or higher), high capacity SSD, long
>> battery life, touch screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The closest thing I've seen to an ideal choice is the Acer Aspire S7
>> Ultrabook, but the RAM and SSD are limited and I'm nervous about the
>> Acer reputation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other options I'm considering are:
>>
>> - Asus Zenbook Prime Touch
>>
>> - ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook (but lacks a touchscreen)
>>
>>
>>
>> Or should I just say screw it and purchase a MacBook Air? My back of
>> the napkin calculation for a nicely equipped 13" model is base model
>> ($1200) + 8GB ($100) + 256GB SSD ($200) + i7 ($150) = $1650.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mal
>>
>>
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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Dave Crozier]

Personally I'd get a Retina Macbook pro with 16GB and run Windows 8 as a VM 
using VMWare Fusion. I have this setup on a i5 13" Macbook which is now just 
over 18 months old and I think that the trackpad on the Mac actually works 
better than the touchscreen on any laptop I have ever used. Especially In 
native mode, the trackpad is simply a joy to use with all the new multi-finger 
gestures and considering I bought it as simply a standby machine, I rarely if 
ever use my Dell i7 laptop at all (any buyers .. lol?).

I hate to admit it, and thought I never would, but once you've used a Macbook 
then the speed and facilities simply make any standard Windows only laptop look 
ordinary. OK, you pay a premium, but it is worth it and the screen resolutions 
are far better than any Windows laptop to the stage that I would say using the 
13" is a better experience and easier to use than a 15" Windows machine. The 
only mistake I made was not getting the 15" one at the outset.

The only future drawback for Mac's seems to be the way Apple are going the way 
of not allowing memory upgrades as all the memory is on board. So, I bought the 
machine with 4Gb but to run VM's it was in fact unworkable and 16GB allows me 
to run 3-4 VM's concurrently with little or no speed degradation. If you buy a 
current Macbook air then the memory you start with is what you are stuck with - 
so you need to make your choice the right one at the outset.

Oh yes, and I now use native OSX more and more as time goes on... it just 
works, is so stable and boots up so quickly ... and it's fun programming it as 
well!

Dave


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Sent: 23 August 2013 09:39
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Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

Better stay with Window$. Save the money to buy a tablet.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:
> My experience with laptops (and all derivatives thereof) would rank 
> Lenovo at a 9, Asus at a 6, and Acer at a 5.
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> From: Malcolm Greene 
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Date: 8/22/2013 6:41 PM
>>
>> Hi strangers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for a recommendation for a Windows 8 laptop. My requirements:
>> Very light weight, max RAM (4 Gb+ or higher), high capacity SSD, long 
>> battery life, touch screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The closest thing I've seen to an ideal choice is the Acer Aspire S7 
>> Ultrabook, but the RAM and SSD are limited and I'm nervous about the 
>> Acer reputation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other options I'm considering are:
>>
>> - Asus Zenbook Prime Touch
>>
>> - ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook (but lacks a touchscreen)
>>
>>
>>
>> Or should I just say screw it and purchase a MacBook Air? My back of 
>> the napkin calculation for a nicely equipped 13" model is base model
>> ($1200) + 8GB ($100) + 256GB SSD ($200) + i7 ($150) = $1650.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mal
>>
>>
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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Dave Crozier]

I'm not just the only one who likes the touchpad:

http://www.zdnet.com/macbook-air-and-pro-no-touch-screen-required-unlike-windows-8-716865/

Dave

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... oh and to finish, I'm due to upgrade and I'll be staying with Apple... Just 
a pity they don't do a 17" Macbook any more.

Dave

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Personally I'd get a Retina Macbook pro with 16GB and run Windows 8 as a VM 
using VMWare Fusion. I have this setup on a i5 13" Macbook which is now just 
over 18 months old and I think that the trackpad on the Mac actually works 
better than the touchscreen on any laptop I have ever used. Especially In 
native mode, the trackpad is simply a joy to use with all the new multi-finger 
gestures and considering I bought it as simply a standby machine, I rarely if 
ever use my Dell i7 laptop at all (any buyers .. lol?).

I hate to admit it, and thought I never would, but once you've used a Macbook 
then the speed and facilities simply make any standard Windows only laptop look 
ordinary. OK, you pay a premium, but it is worth it and the screen resolutions 
are far better than any Windows laptop to the stage that I would say using the 
13" is a better experience and easier to use than a 15" Windows machine. The 
only mistake I made was not getting the 15" one at the outset.

The only future drawback for Mac's seems to be the way Apple are going the way 
of not allowing memory upgrades as all the memory is on board. So, I bought the 
machine with 4Gb but to run VM's it was in fact unworkable and 16GB allows me 
to run 3-4 VM's concurrently with little or no speed degradation. If you buy a 
current Macbook air then the memory you start with is what you are stuck with - 
so you need to make your choice the right one at the outset.

Oh yes, and I now use native OSX more and more as time goes on... it just 
works, is so stable and boots up so quickly ... and it's fun programming it as 
well!

Dave


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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Man-wai Chang
Sent: 23 August 2013 09:39
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

Better stay with Window$. Save the money to buy a tablet.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:
> My experience with laptops (and all derivatives thereof) would rank 
> Lenovo at a 9, Asus at a 6, and Acer at a 5.
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> From: Malcolm Greene 
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Date: 8/22/2013 6:41 PM
>>
>> Hi strangers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for a recommendation for a Windows 8 laptop. My requirements:
>> Very light weight, max RAM (4 Gb+ or higher), high capacity SSD, long 
>> battery life, touch screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The closest thing I've seen to an ideal choice is the Acer Aspire S7 
>> Ultrabook, but the RAM and SSD are limited and I'm nervous about the 
>> Acer reputation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other options I'm considering are:
>>
>> - Asus Zenbook Prime Touch
>>
>> - ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook (but lacks a touchscreen)
>>
>>
>>
>> Or should I just say screw it and purchase a MacBook Air? My back of 
>> the napkin calculation for a nicely equipped 13" model is base model
>> ($1200) + 8GB ($100) + 256GB SSD ($200) + i7 ($150) = $1650.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mal
>>
>>
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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Dave Crozier]

... oh and to finish, I'm due to upgrade and I'll be staying with Apple... Just 
a pity they don't do a 17" Macbook any more.

Dave

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To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

Personally I'd get a Retina Macbook pro with 16GB and run Windows 8 as a VM 
using VMWare Fusion. I have this setup on a i5 13" Macbook which is now just 
over 18 months old and I think that the trackpad on the Mac actually works 
better than the touchscreen on any laptop I have ever used. Especially In 
native mode, the trackpad is simply a joy to use with all the new multi-finger 
gestures and considering I bought it as simply a standby machine, I rarely if 
ever use my Dell i7 laptop at all (any buyers .. lol?).

I hate to admit it, and thought I never would, but once you've used a Macbook 
then the speed and facilities simply make any standard Windows only laptop look 
ordinary. OK, you pay a premium, but it is worth it and the screen resolutions 
are far better than any Windows laptop to the stage that I would say using the 
13" is a better experience and easier to use than a 15" Windows machine. The 
only mistake I made was not getting the 15" one at the outset.

The only future drawback for Mac's seems to be the way Apple are going the way 
of not allowing memory upgrades as all the memory is on board. So, I bought the 
machine with 4Gb but to run VM's it was in fact unworkable and 16GB allows me 
to run 3-4 VM's concurrently with little or no speed degradation. If you buy a 
current Macbook air then the memory you start with is what you are stuck with - 
so you need to make your choice the right one at the outset.

Oh yes, and I now use native OSX more and more as time goes on... it just 
works, is so stable and boots up so quickly ... and it's fun programming it as 
well!

Dave


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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Man-wai Chang
Sent: 23 August 2013 09:39
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

Better stay with Window$. Save the money to buy a tablet.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:
> My experience with laptops (and all derivatives thereof) would rank 
> Lenovo at a 9, Asus at a 6, and Acer at a 5.
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> From: Malcolm Greene 
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Date: 8/22/2013 6:41 PM
>>
>> Hi strangers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for a recommendation for a Windows 8 laptop. My requirements:
>> Very light weight, max RAM (4 Gb+ or higher), high capacity SSD, long 
>> battery life, touch screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> The closest thing I've seen to an ideal choice is the Acer Aspire S7 
>> Ultrabook, but the RAM and SSD are limited and I'm nervous about the 
>> Acer reputation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other options I'm considering are:
>>
>> - Asus Zenbook Prime Touch
>>
>> - ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook (but lacks a touchscreen)
>>
>>
>>
>> Or should I just say screw it and purchase a MacBook Air? My back of 
>> the napkin calculation for a nicely equipped 13" model is base model
>> ($1200) + 8GB ($100) + 256GB SSD ($200) + i7 ($150) = $1650.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mal
>>
>>
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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Allen]

Just don't like apple's attitude. Or the price.
Al

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I'm not just the only one who likes the touchpad:

http://www.zdnet.com/macbook-air-and-pro-no-touch-screen-required-unlike-win
dows-8-716865/

Dave



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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Dave Crozier]

I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.

You gets what you pay for...



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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: 23 August 2013 10:14
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

Just don't like apple's attitude. Or the price.
Al

-Original Message-

I'm not just the only one who likes the touchpad:

http://www.zdnet.com/macbook-air-and-pro-no-touch-screen-required-unlike-win
dows-8-716865/

Dave



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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Thierry Nivelet]

+1
Love my MacBook Air + virtual box

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Le 23 août 2013 à 11:14, Dave Crozier  a écrit :

> I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.
> 
> You gets what you pay for...
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
> Sent: 23 August 2013 10:14
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> 
> Just don't like apple's attitude. Or the price.
> Al
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> I'm not just the only one who likes the touchpad:
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/macbook-air-and-pro-no-touch-screen-required-unlike-win
> dows-8-716865/
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

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Dave Crozier wrote:

I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.

You gets what you pay for...

  

I'll stick with my Austin Allegro ;-)

Peter





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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[José Enrique Llopis]

All the Mac guys install Windows but nobody installs OSx on Windows... 

Pepe Llopis



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De: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] En nombre de Thierry Nivelet
Enviado el: viernes, 23 de agosto de 2013 11:21
Para: profox@leafe.com
Asunto: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

+1
Love my MacBook Air + virtual box

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Le 23 août 2013 à 11:14, Dave Crozier  a écrit :

> I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.
> 
> You gets what you pay for...
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
> Sent: 23 August 2013 10:14
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> 
> Just don't like apple's attitude. Or the price.
> Al
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> I'm not just the only one who likes the touchpad:
> 
>
http://www.zdnet.com/macbook-air-and-pro-no-touch-screen-required-unlike-win
> dows-8-716865/
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Jean Laeremans]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Peter Cushing <
pcush...@whisperingsmith.com> wrote:

> Dave Crozier wrote:
>
>> I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.
>>
>> You gets what you pay for...
>>
>>
>>
> I'll stick with my Austin Allegro ;-)
>
> Peter
>
>
With the original steering wheel ?

A+
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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Dave Crozier]

Wasn't it the Austin Princess that had the square wheel that used to twirl 
around like a demented dervish rapping your knuckles. Shaped like a wedge of 
cheese and about as reliable! lol

Dave


-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jean Laeremans
Sent: 23 August 2013 10:34
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Peter Cushing < pcush...@whisperingsmith.com> 
wrote:

> Dave Crozier wrote:
>
>> I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.
>>
>> You gets what you pay for...
>>
>>
>>
> I'll stick with my Austin Allegro ;-)
>
> Peter
>
>
With the original steering wheel ?

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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Jean Laeremans]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Dave Crozier  wrote:

> Wasn't it the Austin Princess that had the square wheel that used to twirl
> around like a demented dervish rapping your knuckles. Shaped like a wedge
> of cheese and about as reliable! lol
>
> Dave
>

Dunno about the Princess but the Allegro did have that advanced ergonomic
steering wheel. ;)


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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Allen]

Can chromebooks run windows?
Al

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RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Dave Crozier]

No... just Google apps... unless you run an RDP session onto a Widows TS/RDP 
box using:

http://www.ericom.com/windows-on-chromebook-video.asp

Dave 


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Sent: 23 August 2013 11:18
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Can chromebooks run windows?
Al

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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Thierry Nivelet]

For vfp only ...

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Le 23 août 2013 à 11:32, José Enrique Llopis  a écrit :

> All the Mac guys install Windows but nobody installs OSx on Windows... 
> 
> Pepe Llopis
> 
> 
> 
> -Mensaje original-
> De: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] En nombre de Thierry Nivelet
> Enviado el: viernes, 23 de agosto de 2013 11:21
> Para: profox@leafe.com
> Asunto: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
> 
> +1
> Love my MacBook Air + virtual box
> 
> Thierry Nivelet
> http://foxincloud.com/
> Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
> 
> Le 23 août 2013 à 11:14, Dave Crozier  a écrit :
> 
>> I don't like Mercedes or BMW's either but they are undeniably good.
>> 
>> You gets what you pay for...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
>> Sent: 23 August 2013 10:14
>> To: profox@leafe.com
>> Subject: RE: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)
>> 
>> Just don't like apple's attitude. Or the price.
>> Al
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> 
>> I'm not just the only one who likes the touchpad:
> http://www.zdnet.com/macbook-air-and-pro-no-touch-screen-required-unlike-win
>> dows-8-716865/
>> 
>> Dave
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RE: ACOPY() - Resolved - Thanks

[Kent Belan]

Hello Ted and Laurie,

Thanks for the info, I got this working by re-dimensioning the form array
just before the ACOPY.

Thanks for your help,
Kent

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From:
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"Copying a member array to an existing non-member array with certain
dimensions using the *ACOPY( )* function might generate the error,
"Subscript is outside defined range." You can avoid this error changing the
dimension of the destination array to a single element before calling *
ACOPY( )*. For more information, see DIMENSION
Command
."



On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Laurie Alvey wrote:

> I've noticed that as well - ACOPY() will redimension the the target 
> array if the arrays are public or private variables. It doesn't always 
> work with arrays which are object properties - it's safer manually to 
> redimension the object array to match the input.
>
> Laurie
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Dave Crozier 
> To: ProFox Email List 
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 17:04
> Subject: RE: ACOPY()
>
>
> Kent,
> This works...
>
> ThisForm.AddProperty("aArray[1,1]",null)
>
> dimension aTemp[1,10]
>
> aTemp[1,1]="1,1"
> aTemp[1,2]="1,2"
> aTemp[1,10]="1,10"
>
> Acopy(aTemp, ThisForm.aArray)
>
> The array aArray gets redimensioned in the aCopy to [1,10]
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kent Belan
> Sent: 21 August 2013 16:51
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: ACOPY()
>
> Hello,
>
> I don't work with arrays that often, but I need to now and am having 
> trouble.
>
> I created a form property for the array thisform.aEyeColor[1,2]
>
> I make a call to a business object to pull a query from the codes 
> table and return and array.
>
> The problem is when I try to copy the returned array into the 
> form.property I get an error.
>
> Private a_temp
> Dimension a_temp[1,2]
>
> oCodes.GetCodes('EYECOLOR', @a_temp)
>
> this returns the array correctly into the a_temp variable
>
> the problem is when I try to copy the array to the form variable
>
> ACOPY( a_temp, thisform.aEyeColor)
>
> I get the error "subscript is outside defined range"
>
> Does anyone know the trick to get this working ?
>
> Thanks,
> Kent
>
>
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Re: [NF] Recommendations for Windows 8 laptop (or MacBook Air?)

[Ted Roche]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Allen  wrote:

> Can chromebooks run windows?


I hope not!

I think they can run Windows using remote desktop. If I'm not mistaken,
these have ARM processors, which Microsoft stopped supporting after Windows
NT 3.51.

They can be hacked/jailbroken to run Linux. In fact, I understand that's
what they're doing under the hood for Google OS kernel.

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Re: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?

[Paul Hill]

On 23 August 2013 08:06, Dave Crozier  wrote:
> ... but my emulator starts up in about 45 seconds from a cold start so I 
> think you have something not quite right.
>
> My spec is HP i5 with 8Gb

It's been a little while since I used it but there is an option to run
the x86 Android emulator virtualised (i.e. fast).
I think you need to install an additional component.

The problem I had was that it conflicts with Hyper-V (I have Win8
pro).  The only option is to uninstall Hyper-V.

It's not a huge problem for me as I have 3 Android devices (Nexus 4,
Nexus 7 & an old ZTE Blade).
Deploying and running an app is pretty quick.

p.s. the Nexus 4 is really nice, and relatively cheap (compared to a
comparable Samsung anyway)

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Re: [OT] Anyone used Mobiforms smartphone rad ?

[Jean Laeremans]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:

> p.s. the Nexus 4 is really nice, and relatively cheap (compared to a
> comparable Samsung anyway)
>
> --
> Paul
>
>
Indeed it is. Just ordered a new one...cat destroyed the previous one...

A+
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[NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

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http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-set-retire-within-next-12-months

Maybe this will help M$.

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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Michael Oke, II]

I fail to see how it could hurt. 



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 wrote:

> http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-set-retire-within-next-12-months
> 
> Maybe this will help M$.
> 
> -- 
> Mike Babcock, MCP
> MB Software Solutions, LLC
> President, Chief Software Architect
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> http://fabmate.com
> http://twitter.com/mbabcock16
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Re: [NF] Client Virtualization

[Gérard Lochon]

- Original Message - 
From: "Eurico Chagas Filho" 

2013 4:37 PM
Subject: [NF] Client Virtualization



I was reading about this and it could mean extension of life
for VFP. 
Can somebody shed some light on this ?


Any related links from your readings ?



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RE: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[jerry foote]

Not Bad Return For A Guy Who Joined Microsoft In 1980 As The 30th Employee
With A Starting Salary Of $50,000. His Retirement Package Is $840,000,000.
He Owns 333,000,000 Shares Of Microsoft. At $34.00 share price the Total
Value of his stock is $11,322,000,000.
Heck If He Just Lived On The  $0.92 Dividend That Would Bring In
$303,360,000 A Year.
Jerry

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Subject: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-set-retire-within-ne
xt-12-months

Maybe this will help M$.

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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Kevin Cully]

One thing is for sure.  We're losing from Microsoft one of the best 
friends that Visual Foxpro has ever had.

http://cullytechnologies.com/images/ballmer_foxpro.png

On 08/23/2013 11:24 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

I fail to see how it could hurt.



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http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-set-retire-within-next-12-months

Maybe this will help M$.

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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Ed Leafe]

On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Kevin Cully  wrote:

> One thing is for sure.  We're losing from Microsoft one of the best friends 
> that Visual Foxpro has ever had.
> http://cullytechnologies.com/images/ballmer_foxpro.png

Wow, he ran in front of a VFP sign? That sure helped keep the product going.

What has he actually done for VFP?


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RE: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Wasn't going to touch that one.
But since the gate is open, I'm betting he did that for all of microsofts
products as the chief cheerleader

Now if you had said yag or the other guy whose name I have forgotten, then
Amen...

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On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Kevin Cully 
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> One thing is for sure.  We're losing from Microsoft one of the best
friends that Visual Foxpro has ever had.
> http://cullytechnologies.com/images/ballmer_foxpro.png

Wow, he ran in front of a VFP sign? That sure helped keep the product going.

What has he actually done for VFP?


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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Kevin Cully]

{There may have been some Photoshop action going on for that image.}

On 08/23/2013 02:38 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
Wow, he ran in front of a VFP sign? That sure helped keep the product 
going.



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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Ted Roche]

Developers, developers, developers, developers!


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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

[Ted Roche]

ZDNet: "Here's Microsoft CEO Ballmer's goodbye note to the troops"

http://www.zdnet.com/heres-microsoft-ceo-ballmers-goodbye-note-to-the-troops-719795/

"now is the right time."

Typical MS. Last to the table, claims they innovated it.



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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

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On 8/23/2013 2:34 PM, Kevin Cully wrote:

One thing is for sure.  We're losing from Microsoft one of the best
friends that Visual Foxpro has ever had.
http://cullytechnologies.com/images/ballmer_foxpro.png




ROFLMAO  That is the funniest thing I've seen tech-related in a long 
time!!!  Surely that's photoshopped?



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Re: [NF] Ballmer to retire within 12 months

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On 8/23/2013 3:07 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

Developers, developers, developers, developers!



Retirement, retirement, retirement, retirement!!!


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[NF] Overheating laptop - high temperature

[Michael Madigan]

When I turned my notebook on today I got a overheating error.  The room was 85 
F since I had not turned on the Air Conditioning yet.  

As far as I can tell, the specifications for my CPU have a maximum 100 C 
rating, with the warning occurring when the CPU reaches 90 C

So I downloaded Speedfan and found out my CPU was running hot, over 80C.   I 
configured Speedfan to automatically adjust the fan speed. 

After doing that and vacuuming out the vents the computer was under 70 C


I then changed the power settings to lower the max CPU to 50%  and got the 
temperature to 55C and lower.  

Finally, I decided to run Combofix.   It must have found some things running in 
the background because now I have a temperature of 42 C  Of course the room 
temperature dropped from 29 C to 25 C too. 


If I had to do it all over again, I would try Combofix first. 



Mike

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