Re: [NF] Green electric hardware
Um, I didn't write that -- Pete did. As for my solar, it's going to be on our home...yeah, we'll need the Kwatts. The wonderful thing about decentralized Solar -- we own it...pay once, use for decades... C Matthew Jarvis wrote: > Chet Gardiner wrote: > > >>> Thanks for the link. Here in Sarasota Florida in the summer, when the unit >>> would be needed, they would really need AC. People didn't even live here in >>> any numbers until AC was available. >>> >>> Many homes do not have heat, but all have AC. I have gone many winters >>> without >>> turning on the heat, but to try the summer without AC, why, you use as much >>> electricity with all the fans you have running pointed right at you! >>> >>> > > > This thing is starting to sound more like a Bachelor Pad rather than a > "Survival House"... what's next - a Lay-Z-Boy and a leather couch??? I > know a lot of people with vacation retreats that aren't equipped nearly > as nicely as this... > > C'mon - in a survival mode you don't need no AC/Heat - that's what > blankets and bathtubs are for > > TV? Cable? Haven't these people heard of this new invention called the > $5 AM Transistor radio?? > > If they *really* wanted 'survival', they'd go w/ the propane options so > they *could* have refrigeration if needed, light, cooking skip all > that other crap > > Personally I've got some food, ammo, cash (and gold) buried someplace I > can get to if I *really* need it... and yes, I didn't forget a shovel... > > > > Matthew S. Jarvis > IT Manager > Bike Friday - "Performance that Packs." > www.bikefriday.com > 541/687-0487 x140 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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> Personally I've got some food, ammo, cash (and gold) buried someplace I > can get to if I *really* need it... and yes, I didn't forget a shovel... Did you bury the shovel too? :-) -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Friday 03 August 2007 13:30, Matthew Jarvis wrote: > We are looking at dumping all our desktops and going w/ thin clients or > laptops. We hooked up wattage meters to a lot of our equipment and found > out that our HP laptops draw only 3 watts when in sleep mode... Hi Matthew! 3 watts! The boss should be able to live with that! Thanks. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high > efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. > Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that > this is somewhat new ground for me. > > The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, > TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external > solar panels. > > Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff? To answer your original question We are looking at dumping all our desktops and going w/ thin clients or laptops. We hooked up wattage meters to a lot of our equipment and found out that our HP laptops draw only 3 watts when in sleep mode... And they're portable of course, so they could be taken to the "survival house"... what you'd hook them up to or talk to is another story though... Matthew S. Jarvis IT Manager Bike Friday - "Performance that Packs." www.bikefriday.com 541/687-0487 x140 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Chet Gardiner wrote: >>Thanks for the link. Here in Sarasota Florida in the summer, when the unit >>would be needed, they would really need AC. People didn't even live here in >>any numbers until AC was available. >> >>Many homes do not have heat, but all have AC. I have gone many winters >>without >>turning on the heat, but to try the summer without AC, why, you use as much >>electricity with all the fans you have running pointed right at you! >> This thing is starting to sound more like a Bachelor Pad rather than a "Survival House"... what's next - a Lay-Z-Boy and a leather couch??? I know a lot of people with vacation retreats that aren't equipped nearly as nicely as this... C'mon - in a survival mode you don't need no AC/Heat - that's what blankets and bathtubs are for TV? Cable? Haven't these people heard of this new invention called the $5 AM Transistor radio?? If they *really* wanted 'survival', they'd go w/ the propane options so they *could* have refrigeration if needed, light, cooking skip all that other crap Personally I've got some food, ammo, cash (and gold) buried someplace I can get to if I *really* need it... and yes, I didn't forget a shovel... Matthew S. Jarvis IT Manager Bike Friday - "Performance that Packs." www.bikefriday.com 541/687-0487 x140 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Right, I forgot about FL humiditity... We don't have that here except during Monsoon...and even that hasn't been enough to get us to turn on the A/C yet... If they do a grid inter-tie and battery, they don't have to share the batteries with the neighborhood. They would have to pay more for the inverter though. The switch-hitters that allow inter-tie and battery are more expensive than the inter-tie only inverters... I just asked my solar guy which inverters our local power company will subsidize and he sent me these links: "For the battery backup, the inverter currently approved by TEP is the SMA Sunny Island. Information at http://www.sma-america.com/solar-technology/products/island-grids/battery-inverters/index.html. The advantage of this inverter is that it normally acts as a grid-tie inverter, and switches to batteries only when needed. There are a couple of other inverters that may soon qualify for use with TEP, The OutBack inverters http://www.outbackpower.com/grid_interactive.htm, and the Xantrex XW http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/246/p/1/pt/25/product.asp. Using one of these inverters is really the best way to go with a battery backup/gridtie system. It becomes kind of a pain to set up charge controllers and transfer switches, since battery voltages are typically 48 volts max, and gridtie array voltages are 300-600." (TEP = Tucson Electric Power) FYI, he's recommending the BP SX170 panels (12-20 of them) mounted on the roof at an angle to get the best sun... http://www.bp.com/extendedgenericarticle.do?categoryId=3050530&contentId=3060138 Cheers; Pete Theisen wrote: > On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:42, Chet Gardiner wrote: > > >> Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE energy hog. >> > > Hi Chet! > > Thanks for the link. Here in Sarasota Florida in the summer, when the unit > would be needed, they would really need AC. People didn't even live here in > any numbers until AC was available. > > Many homes do not have heat, but all have AC. I have gone many winters > without > turning on the heat, but to try the summer without AC, why, you use as much > electricity with all the fans you have running pointed right at you! > > Too bad there is no propane AC. > > If they do a grid inter-tie, do they have to carry their whole neighborhood > on > their solar/batteries if the grid goes down? > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:42, Chet Gardiner wrote: > Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE energy hog. Hi Chet! Thanks for the link. Here in Sarasota Florida in the summer, when the unit would be needed, they would really need AC. People didn't even live here in any numbers until AC was available. Many homes do not have heat, but all have AC. I have gone many winters without turning on the heat, but to try the summer without AC, why, you use as much electricity with all the fans you have running pointed right at you! Too bad there is no propane AC. If they do a grid inter-tie, do they have to carry their whole neighborhood on their solar/batteries if the grid goes down? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:52, Chet Gardiner wrote: > At the beginning of the summer. Just in time to thaw out from 41 years > in the S.F. Bay Area ice box. > > Love it Here!!! > > We're in the 5th season. We get 5 per year. > > There's Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer and Monsoon. We're in Monsoon. > > Think east coast summer thunderstorms on steroids...like 2 or 3 inches > in 1/2 hour with thunder and lightning all over the place. Love it!!! Hi Chet! Did you dig a sistern? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Looks like you can use some sort of a hybrid system. Sell the power back to the power company when the batteries are fully charged, then when the power goes out, use solar and batteries alone. --- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:38, Michael Madigan > wrote: > > Are you going to be off-the-grid? > > Hi Michael! > > The place is designed as a safe house to withstand a > hurricane and be > comfortable with the grid down. It will also need > network, radio and TV that > is not dependant on power. I am not at all sure that > comcast, directv or > verizon will stay on when the mains go down. > > The power will be on when the house is not needed > :-) > > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://www.pete-theisen.com/ > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > Searchable Archive: > http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox > This message: > http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:38, Michael Madigan wrote: > Are you going to be off-the-grid? Hi Michael! The place is designed as a safe house to withstand a hurricane and be comfortable with the grid down. It will also need network, radio and TV that is not dependant on power. I am not at all sure that comcast, directv or verizon will stay on when the mains go down. The power will be on when the house is not needed :-) -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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At the beginning of the summer. Just in time to thaw out from 41 years in the S.F. Bay Area ice box. Love it Here!!! We're in the 5th season. We get 5 per year. There's Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer and Monsoon. We're in Monsoon. Think east coast summer thunderstorms on steroids...like 2 or 3 inches in 1/2 hour with thunder and lightning all over the place. Love it!!! It's also a great place for solar... Michael Madigan wrote: > When did you move to Tuscon? > > > --- Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Real Goods >> >> http://www.gaiam.com/realgoods/ >> >> They'll get you ANYTHING you need. >> >> First thing, estimate the usage. There may be a >> chart on the Real Goods >> site. If not, I can fax or email you a copy... >> >> Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE >> energy hog. Another >> expensive item is a regular refrigerator. DC and >> propane fridges are >> available but are quite expensive. >> >> The rest isn't bad. >> >> Can they do a grid inter-tie? If they can, they can >> save boucoup >> bucks. If they're completely off-grid they'll have >> to spring for >> batteries and they're quite expensive and high >> maintenance. >> >> We're lucky here in Tucson. The local MUNICIPAL >> (NOT private for-profit >> leach) power company will PAY us good bucks to go >> solar Inter-Tie. >> About half of the system cost will be covered by our >> Electric Company... >> >> Have fun. Good Luck! >> >> >> >> > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Just a reminder... At Real Goods they have everything including packaged systems at different power production levels. Another source is our Local vendor. They might be able to sell you the stuff you need...they just won't install it. http://www.solarstore.com/ As I said, We're REAL lucky to live with a Municipal Power Company. They're going to pay us $1 a WATT for installing our inter-tie system... Add this to the miniscule $1000 from the state and $2500 from the feds and over half our system will be paid for... That's the way it SHOULD be. Subsidies should be entirely removed from the dirty energy sources; coal, oil, gas and nuclear and applied to solar if mammalian life is to have ANY future on this earth. Pete Theisen wrote: > On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/ >> > > >> How do I know this? A little more than a year ago when my last major >> contract was up, I decided "I don't want to do this any more!" I'm now a >> licensed (building) contractor dealing directly with customers, rather than >> overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility and little authority to >> make things happen. >> >> I still do some geek work, but buying and selling houses is more fun. >> > > Hi Larry! > > Thanks for the link, I like the tract house treatment. > > I am trying to avoid the buying by selling the project first, then scrambling > around to get the stuff delivered and installed at the last minute, paying > for it all with the customer's money. Hence the pre-compiled vendor list. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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When did you move to Tuscon? --- Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Real Goods > > http://www.gaiam.com/realgoods/ > > They'll get you ANYTHING you need. > > First thing, estimate the usage. There may be a > chart on the Real Goods > site. If not, I can fax or email you a copy... > > Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE > energy hog. Another > expensive item is a regular refrigerator. DC and > propane fridges are > available but are quite expensive. > > The rest isn't bad. > > Can they do a grid inter-tie? If they can, they can > save boucoup > bucks. If they're completely off-grid they'll have > to spring for > batteries and they're quite expensive and high > maintenance. > > We're lucky here in Tucson. The local MUNICIPAL > (NOT private for-profit > leach) power company will PAY us good bucks to go > solar Inter-Tie. > About half of the system cost will be covered by our > Electric Company... > > Have fun. Good Luck! > > > > Pete Theisen wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > I have been hired to compile a procurement list of > low power requirement high > > efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel > powered survival house. > > Those of you who have been reading my posts over > the years will realize that > > this is somewhat new ground for me. > > > > The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking > equipment, refrigerator, > > TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - > all powered off of external > > solar panels. > > > > Anyone know one a few good places to get this > stuff? > > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > Searchable Archive: > http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox > This message: > http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Green electric hardware
It was mentioned here about CFL light bulbs and their energy savings, but I just thought I would mention that you can use them in the house for what little lighting would need to be done. Such as in the kitchen for cooking over the stove or counter. You could also use geothermal heating/ cooling in the home which will take the heat out of the home down into the ground where it is cooler/ more stable temperature and cool off the air and send it back into the house to cool the home. Here is a link to geothermal heating/ cooling: http://www.reddawn.com/featart11-98.html http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumer/your_home/space_heating_cooling/index.cfm/my topic=12640 Computer Technology Solutions Mike Wohlrab President 585-944-3823 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MikeWohlrab.com FTP://MikeWohlrab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Green electric hardware On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:19, Andy Davies wrote: > First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square > metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/ > money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and > cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as > solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good > insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually > possible - aren't you in NY?) Hi Andy! Good idea. The boss, a contractor, has some output figures on panels/area. He wants me to find economical ways to use the power he can have. I bet I could save a lot of solar panel output using LP for heating, cooking and refrigeration, saving the electric for things only electric can do. We are in Florida. Once the list is completed the customers will pay for all the stuff. Oh, the boss might make a small demo unit. > > Andrew Davies MBCS CITP > - AndyD 8-)# > > > > ** > > Manchester City Council supports Smokefree England - 1 July 2007 > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. > > ** > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/!&[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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FL is good. Lots of sun. Check with your local power company. The Federal and State rebates are laughable (not surprisingly - the govt is owned and occupied by big oil) but the local power company may have a rebate for an inter-tie system if you're on the grid... Pete Theisen wrote: > On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:19, Andy Davies wrote: > >> First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square >> metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/ >> money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and >> cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as >> solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good >> insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually >> possible - aren't you in NY?) >> > > Hi Andy! > > Good idea. The boss, a contractor, has some output figures on panels/area. He > wants me to find economical ways to use the power he can have. I bet I could > save a lot of solar panel output using LP for heating, cooking and > refrigeration, saving the electric for things only electric can do. > > We are in Florida. Once the list is completed the customers will pay for all > the stuff. Oh, the boss might make a small demo unit. > >> Andrew Davies MBCS CITP >> - AndyD8-)# >> >> >> >> > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Real Goods http://www.gaiam.com/realgoods/ They'll get you ANYTHING you need. First thing, estimate the usage. There may be a chart on the Real Goods site. If not, I can fax or email you a copy... Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE energy hog. Another expensive item is a regular refrigerator. DC and propane fridges are available but are quite expensive. The rest isn't bad. Can they do a grid inter-tie? If they can, they can save boucoup bucks. If they're completely off-grid they'll have to spring for batteries and they're quite expensive and high maintenance. We're lucky here in Tucson. The local MUNICIPAL (NOT private for-profit leach) power company will PAY us good bucks to go solar Inter-Tie. About half of the system cost will be covered by our Electric Company... Have fun. Good Luck! Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high > efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. > Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that > this is somewhat new ground for me. > > The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, > TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external > solar panels. > > Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff? > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Are you going to be off-the-grid? Most people have the solar panels feed directly into the utility company and get credits for the power they generate. Otherwise, you need to buy storage batteries and run 12-volt or 24-volt appliances. Here's an super-efficient refrigerator. http://www.conservrefrigerators.com/conserv.html Of course energy star appliances should be used, as well as LCD televisions, florescent lighting, ceiling fans, etc... --- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:21, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/ > > > How do I know this? A little more than a year ago > when my last major > > contract was up, I decided "I don't want to do > this any more!" I'm now a > > licensed (building) contractor dealing directly > with customers, rather than > > overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility > and little authority to > > make things happen. > > > > I still do some geek work, but buying and selling > houses is more fun. > > Hi Larry! > > Thanks for the link, I like the tract house > treatment. > > I am trying to avoid the buying by selling the > project first, then scrambling > around to get the stuff delivered and installed at > the last minute, paying > for it all with the customer's money. Hence the > pre-compiled vendor list. > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://www.pete-theisen.com/ > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > Searchable Archive: > http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox > This message: > http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:19, Andy Davies wrote: > First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square > metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/ > money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and > cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as > solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good > insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually > possible - aren't you in NY?) Hi Andy! Good idea. The boss, a contractor, has some output figures on panels/area. He wants me to find economical ways to use the power he can have. I bet I could save a lot of solar panel output using LP for heating, cooking and refrigeration, saving the electric for things only electric can do. We are in Florida. Once the list is completed the customers will pay for all the stuff. Oh, the boss might make a small demo unit. > > Andrew Davies MBCS CITP > - AndyD 8-)# > > > > ** > > Manchester City Council supports Smokefree England - 1 July 2007 > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. > > ** > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/ > How do I know this? A little more than a year ago when my last major > contract was up, I decided "I don't want to do this any more!" I'm now a > licensed (building) contractor dealing directly with customers, rather than > overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility and little authority to > make things happen. > > I still do some geek work, but buying and selling houses is more fun. Hi Larry! Thanks for the link, I like the tract house treatment. I am trying to avoid the buying by selling the project first, then scrambling around to get the stuff delivered and installed at the last minute, paying for it all with the customer's money. Hence the pre-compiled vendor list. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:10, Mike yearwood wrote: > Hi Pete > > http://www.off-grid.net/2006/11/21/les-stroud-interview/ Hi Mike! Wow, yeah. At least we don't have snow. Hurricanes, tornadoes, bugs, snakes and alligators, but not snow. Thanks for this. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:04, Jack Skelley wrote: > Pete: > Check the archives to http://www.motherearthnews.com/ > They always have some solar panel projects/equipment. > Regards, Hi Jack! Interesting, thanks. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Green electric hardware
First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/ money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually possible - aren't you in NY?) Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** Manchester City Council supports Smokefree England - 1 July 2007 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Green electric hardware
I'm sure there are many others, but check this link: http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/ They and their magazine have many articles on green design and equipment for the home. You might find something there. How do I know this? A little more than a year ago when my last major contract was up, I decided "I don't want to do this any more!" I'm now a licensed (building) contractor dealing directly with customers, rather than overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility and little authority to make things happen. I still do some geek work, but buying and selling houses is more fun. Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Hi Pete http://www.off-grid.net/2006/11/21/les-stroud-interview/ > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:55:00 -0500 > From: Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [NF] Green electric hardware > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Everybody! > > I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high > efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. > Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that > this is somewhat new ground for me. > > The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, > TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external > solar panels. > > Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff? > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Pete: Check the archives to http://www.motherearthnews.com/ They always have some solar panel projects/equipment. Regards, Jack Skelley Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high > efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. > Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that > this is somewhat new ground for me. > > The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, > TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external > solar panels. > > Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Green electric hardware
Hi Everybody! I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that this is somewhat new ground for me. The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external solar panels. Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
