RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
I had this issue also. Found out there is a registry key you can set to override the behavior. Here is some information about it.: Quote Outlook may block some MS Access file types: .mdb, .mda, .mde, .adp, .ade. You can use a Registry key to open access to blocked attachments. Run regedit to edit the Registry and open the following folder: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\11.0\Outlook\Security Under the key, add a new string value: Level1Remove The value should be a semicolon-delimited list of file extensions to unblock. For example, mdb;mda;mde Note: Be sure to make a backup before editing the Registry. If you are not comfortable editing the Registry, ask your departmental IT staff for help or contact the ITS PhoneDesk for assistance. /Quote Regards Rodney -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:profoxtech- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook A customer sent me an Access .mdb file that I needed to convert tonight. Since they are on the East Coast, it is too late to call them. Outlook blocked the file and I can't see any way to unblock it. Here is what the help file says: To provide enhanced security, Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 is designed to prevent you from unblocking attachments. Because Outlook is so widely used, it has been the target of several virus attacks in the past that have affected millions of people. Microsoft has acted to protect people from files, such as .exe and .bat files, that are often used to run malicious scripts when opened. Unfortunately this makes file sharing less convenient for many people, but security must take precedence. Microsoft Office 2003 file types most commonly shared between people, such as .doc, .xls, and .ppt files, are not blocked. If you need to share files that have file types blocked by this feature, you have several options, including the following: * Rename the files to include a temporary file type that is not on the list of blocked file types. For example, you might rename MyFile.exe to MyFile.exe_EXTRA, and then attach the file to the e-mail message. You can include instructions in the message to save the file with the correct name, for example, MyFile.exe, when the recipients save the file to their computers. * Use a program, such as WinZip, to package files before you attach them to your e-mail message. In your message, you can include instructions explaining how to extract the files from the package to make it easy for recipients to access the files. * Post the files to a secure network share. In your message, you can include a link to the share that you have given the recipients access to. Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? Oh Brother! Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
A customer sent me an Access .mdb file that I needed to convert tonight. Since they are on the East Coast, it is too late to call them. Outlook blocked the file and I can't see any way to unblock it. Here is what the help file says: To provide enhanced security, Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 is designed to prevent you from unblocking attachments. Because Outlook is so widely used, it has been the target of several virus attacks in the past that have affected millions of people. Microsoft has acted to protect people from files, such as .exe and .bat files, that are often used to run malicious scripts when opened. Unfortunately this makes file sharing less convenient for many people, but security must take precedence. Microsoft Office 2003 file types most commonly shared between people, such as .doc, .xls, and .ppt files, are not blocked. If you need to share files that have file types blocked by this feature, you have several options, including the following: Rename the files to include a temporary file type that is not on the list of blocked file types. For example, you might rename MyFile.exe to MyFile.exe_EXTRA, and then attach the file to the e-mail message. You can include instructions in the message to save the file with the correct name, for example, MyFile.exe, when the recipients save the file to their computers. Use a program, such as WinZip, to package files before you attach them to your e-mail message. In your message, you can include instructions explaining how to extract the files from the package to make it easy for recipients to access the files. Post the files to a secure network share. In your message, you can include a link to the share that you have given the recipients access to. Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? Oh Brother! Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
On 6/20/07, Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? One Microsoft Way. Love it or leave it. If you get your mail through an ISP who retains the email on their system (like an IMAP server, or a POP server if you've configured it to delete the mail after a couple of days -- always a good idea), you could retrieve the mail off the server with a real mail client, like Thunderbird. Even if you're working with an Exchange server, it's possible that it is set up to retain mail and could be configured to act as a POP or IMAP server as well as it's native MAPI interface (MAPI Bad!!!) It doesn't work retrospectively, though, if you've already removed the message from the mail server, you may just have to ask the client to send it again. Perhaps you could use a more trustworthy email client, like Google or Yahoo! Mail. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
Hmmm, instead of going through all the M$ Hoops Of Fire I would try to forward the eMail (with attachment) to my gmail account (Google eMail), and download the file from there. If that sounds good to you (free, over 2Gb storage, web based = access from any Internet connection) let me know. It used to be a person could get gmail by invitation only. You can go to www.gmail.com for more info. If you can set up your own new account, great. If not, eMail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (with your current eMail address) and I will send an invitation to you. As an aside, I use gmail for a few clients where their firewall content filters spew out lots of data. Everybody wants to retain the log data, but nobody wants to manage it g. So I just open a gmail account for them and let the firewall send it to their gmail account for storage/retrieval. Ciao! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook A customer sent me an Access .mdb file that I needed to convert tonight. Since they are on the East Coast, it is too late to call them. Outlook blocked the file and I can't see any way to unblock it. Here is what the help file says: To provide enhanced security, Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 is designed to prevent you from unblocking attachments. Because Outlook is so widely used, it has been the target of several virus attacks in the past that have affected millions of people. Microsoft has acted to protect people from files, such as .exe and .bat files, that are often used to run malicious scripts when opened. Unfortunately this makes file sharing less convenient for many people, but security must take precedence. Microsoft Office 2003 file types most commonly shared between people, such as .doc, .xls, and .ppt files, are not blocked. If you need to share files that have file types blocked by this feature, you have several options, including the following: Rename the files to include a temporary file type that is not on the list of blocked file types. For example, you might rename MyFile.exe to MyFile.exe_EXTRA, and then attach the file to the e-mail message. You can include instructions in the message to save the file with the correct name, for example, MyFile.exe, when the recipients save the file to their computers. Use a program, such as WinZip, to package files before you attach them to your e-mail message. In your message, you can include instructions explaining how to extract the files from the package to make it easy for recipients to access the files. Post the files to a secure network share. In your message, you can include a link to the share that you have given the recipients access to. Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? Oh Brother! Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
Jeff Johnson wrote: A customer sent me an Access .mdb file that I needed to convert tonight. Since they are on the East Coast, it is too late to call them. Outlook blocked the file and I can't see any way to unblock it. Here is what the help file says: To provide enhanced security, Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 is designed to prevent you from unblocking attachments. Because Outlook is so widely used, it has been the target of several virus attacks in the past that have affected millions of people. Microsoft has acted to protect people from files, such as .exe and .bat files, that are often used to run malicious scripts when opened. Unfortunately this makes file sharing less convenient for many people, but security must take precedence. Microsoft Office 2003 file types most commonly shared between people, such as .doc, .xls, and .ppt files, are not blocked. If you need to share files that have file types blocked by this feature, you have several options, including the following: • Rename the files to include a temporary file type that is not on the list of blocked file types. For example, you might rename MyFile.exe to MyFile.exe_EXTRA, and then attach the file to the e-mail message. You can include instructions in the message to save the file with the correct name, for example, MyFile.exe, when the recipients save the file to their computers. • Use a program, such as WinZip, to package files before you attach them to your e-mail message. In your message, you can include instructions explaining how to extract the files from the package to make it easy for recipients to access the files. • Post the files to a secure network share. In your message, you can include a link to the share that you have given the recipients access to. Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? Oh Brother! Jeff If you have Outlook Express you should be able to connect to your mail server and access the file providing your not using POP and deleted the messages off the server after download. If needed in a hurry I would be happy to accept a forwarded mail, zip it up and return it to you. Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
It doesn't work retrospectively, though, if you've already removed the message from the mail server, you may just have to ask the client to send it again. Perhaps you could use a more trustworthy email client, like Google or Yahoo! Mail. HA! Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
One other thought (or series of a few thoughts g)... I set up an ftp Server using Serv-U ftp about 8 or 9 years ago. I had several reasons for doing so. First, some files were too large to attach to eMail. Some files were stripped or blocked for various reasons. And, for my own clients having my own ftp Server gave me a Mark Of Distinction and enhanced credibility. I began using a small PC with a Port Forward set up on my primary firewall. I went from the free version, later upgraded to their basic version, and finally to their Pro version (Enterprise is next g). I also ended up getting a 2nd (DSL) ISP account, and am using a dedicated firewall for the ftp Server. The ftp Server is now a Dell SC420 with 1Gb RAM, and is used as a storage center for all my applications and license key codes, as well as a 300Gb HDD dedicated to the ftp Server (compressed for even more capacity). If you see a potential need for lots of file transfers, or to transfer large files that would be stripped from eMails, this is a nice way to go. But... I also use WinZip to compress and encrypt (not just password protect) any files I send if they contain personal or sensitive data. The reason is because ftp transmits in an unsecured manner, just like eMails and their attachments. A couple of good reasons to set up your own ftp server, eh? Ciao! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook A customer sent me an Access .mdb file that I needed to convert tonight. Since they are on the East Coast, it is too late to call them. Outlook blocked the file and I can't see any way to unblock it. Here is what the help file says: To provide enhanced security, Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 is designed to prevent you from unblocking attachments. Because Outlook is so widely used, it has been the target of several virus attacks in the past that have affected millions of people. Microsoft has acted to protect people from files, such as .exe and .bat files, that are often used to run malicious scripts when opened. Unfortunately this makes file sharing less convenient for many people, but security must take precedence. Microsoft Office 2003 file types most commonly shared between people, such as .doc, .xls, and .ppt files, are not blocked. If you need to share files that have file types blocked by this feature, you have several options, including the following: Rename the files to include a temporary file type that is not on the list of blocked file types. For example, you might rename MyFile.exe to MyFile.exe_EXTRA, and then attach the file to the e-mail message. You can include instructions in the message to save the file with the correct name, for example, MyFile.exe, when the recipients save the file to their computers. Use a program, such as WinZip, to package files before you attach them to your e-mail message. In your message, you can include instructions explaining how to extract the files from the package to make it easy for recipients to access the files. Post the files to a secure network share. In your message, you can include a link to the share that you have given the recipients access to. Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? Oh Brother! Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
If you have Outlook Express you should be able to connect to your mail server and access the file providing your not using POP and deleted the messages off the server after download. If needed in a hurry I would be happy to accept a forwarded mail, zip it up and return it to you. Thanks for your help. I got the file from my ISP. I love my ISP because I just happen to be married to her (literally!) The real point is that no matter how experienced I am with email (my ICQ number is 213663 and I was using 1200 baud to access CompuServe, so I have been at this for a while); Outlook has determined that their own product - Access - is so potentially dangerous that they are not going to allow it on my computer. Even in Internet Explorer you have the option to unblock something. I downloaded Thunderbird last week but haven't moved over to it yet. I guess I will make the move sooner than later. Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook One other thought (or series of a few thoughts g)... I set up an ftp Server using Serv-U ftp about 8 or 9 years ago. I had several reasons for doing so. First, some files were too large to attach to eMail. Some files were stripped or blocked for various reasons. And, for my own clients having my own ftp Server gave me a Mark Of Distinction and enhanced credibility. I began using a small PC with a Port Forward set up on my primary firewall. I went from the free version, later upgraded to their basic version, and finally to their Pro version (Enterprise is next g). I also ended up getting a 2nd (DSL) ISP account, and am using a dedicated firewall for the ftp Server. The ftp Server is now a Dell SC420 with 1Gb RAM, and is used as a storage center for all my applications and license key codes, as well as a 300Gb HDD dedicated to the ftp Server (compressed for even more capacity). If you see a potential need for lots of file transfers, or to transfer large files that would be stripped from eMails, this is a nice way to go. But... I also use WinZip to compress and encrypt (not just password protect) any files I send if they contain personal or sensitive data. The reason is because ftp transmits in an unsecured manner, just like eMails and their attachments. A couple of good reasons to set up your own ftp server, eh? Ciao! Gil Gil: I have an ftp account and have used it for downloads. In other words, my customers can download zipped and encrypted files to their computers. I haven't set it up the other way, although I have wanted to for some time. One of my planned projects with Python is to create a password protected upload page. If there is something already out there that will do that, I would be interested in looking at that, too. Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/x-pkcs7-signature --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
Ted Roche wrote: On 6/20/07, Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this for real? There is no way for me to unblock a potentially dangerous Access .mdb file? Also, am I going to ask a user to zip up the file or ftp it to a secure location or rename it? One Microsoft Way. Love it or leave it. If you get your mail through an ISP who retains the email on their system (like an IMAP server, or a POP server if you've configured it to delete the mail after a couple of days -- always a good idea), you could retrieve the mail off the server with a real mail client, like Thunderbird. Even if you're working with an Exchange server, it's possible that it is set up to retain mail and could be configured to act as a POP or IMAP server as well as it's native MAPI interface (MAPI Bad!!!) It doesn't work retrospectively, though, if you've already removed the message from the mail server, you may just have to ask the client to send it again. Perhaps you could use a more trustworthy email client, like Google or Yahoo! Mail. That's bad enough but I just recently had a situation where I wanted a former colleague in Kenya to send me some VFP forms (as SCX/SCT pairs). The ISP there would not allow the SCTs as attachments EVEN INSIDE A ZIP ! Paul Newton ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
On 6/20/07, Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your help. I got the file from my ISP. I love my ISP because I just happen to be married to her (literally!) I've always been worried about being married to one ISP. Glad it works for you ;) The real point is that no matter how experienced I am with email (my ICQ number is 213663 and I was using 1200 baud to access CompuServe, so I have been at this for a while); Bah. We've got geezers here. I wired up Bell 102 modems to connect colleges to the ARPANET. And there are a few year with a decade on me. Outlook has determined that their own product - Access - is so potentially dangerous that they are not going to allow it on my computer. Well, they are pretty dangerous. What's worse is all of the files it lets through! I downloaded Thunderbird last week but haven't moved over to it yet. I guess I will make the move sooner than later. I'm still running 1.5.0.12, waiting for my package manager to offer the 2.0 version. I understand there's a lot of nice new features. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Unblocking an attachment in Outlook
Jeff Johnson wrote: Thanks for your help. I got the file from my ISP. I love my ISP because I just happen to be married to her (literally!) Boy, I bet you never get into arguments with her. I mean, if you get cut off, you REALLY get cut off! :-D -- Vince Teachout Caracal Software www.caracal.net 518-733-9411 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
