RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

Thanks Ted - works fine!

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> 
> On 4/11/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Distro is Fedora Core 6 (as recommended by Whil in his book).
> 
> Oh, dear. I can't begin to list the trouble I've gotten into from
> follow Whil's advice ... :)
> 
> And vice versa 
> 
> System, Administration, Services from the menu (or sudo
> system-config-services for command-line types) will bring up a dialog
> that controls what services run on startup. Find ntp, check the
> checkbox to tell it to start on startup, click 'Save' on the toolbar
> or menu, and click the start button to start it right away.



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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Ted Roche]

On 4/11/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Distro is Fedora Core 6 (as recommended by Whil in his book).

Oh, dear. I can't begin to list the trouble I've gotten into from
follow Whil's advice ... :)

And vice versa 

System, Administration, Services from the menu (or sudo
system-config-services for command-line types) will bring up a dialog
that controls what services run on startup. Find ntp, check the
checkbox to tell it to start on startup, click 'Save' on the toolbar
or menu, and click the start button to start it right away.

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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

One nm is one minute of arc in latitude.  In longitude it is minutes * cos
latitude.  The time error in astro-navigation shows up in the definition of
the body's sub-point on the earth.

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> > what would be the error in distance if the time is off
> > by 1 second ?
>
> well iirc one nautical mile is 1 minute of arc, so 1/60th nautical mile
>  - say 33.7562 yards
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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

It depends on your latitude as the error is one degree of longitude for 4
minutes of time.  In UK that would be about 8 nautical miles, say 9.5
statute miles, for 1 minute of time.

The other aspect of time however would be for a rendezvous with another
aircraft when both are travelling at 8 nm per minute.  I was on a SAC
bombing competition where we had to rendezvous above cloud with a Tornado
who popped up through the cloud and expected to find us at exactly the right
position and heading at the designated time in order to take on fuel and
then return to low level - interesting challenge!

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> John Weller wrote:
> > Thanks Dave - I didn't know about NTPD.  That's obviously the way to go.
> > It's not particularly important, just that after many years as
> a navigator I
> > get a bit obsessed with having accurate clocks, etc. 
> >
> John - just as a matter of interest - if one tries to establish ones
> position using a combination of chronometer and sextant (for a sun or
> star sighting), what would be the error in distance if the time is off
> by 1 second ?



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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Andy Davies]

> what would be the error in distance if the time is off
> by 1 second ?

well iirc one nautical mile is 1 minute of arc, so 1/60th nautical mile
 - say 33.7562 yards

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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Paul Newton]

John Weller wrote:
> Thanks Dave - I didn't know about NTPD.  That's obviously the way to go.
> It's not particularly important, just that after many years as a navigator I
> get a bit obsessed with having accurate clocks, etc. 
>   
John - just as a matter of interest - if one tries to establish ones 
position using a combination of chronometer and sextant (for a sun or 
star sighting), what would be the error in distance if the time is off 
by 1 second ?
> John Weller
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>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Thayer
>> Sent: 09 April 2007 22:34
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [NF] Dimension 4
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned
>>>   
>> here.  I'd
>> 
>>> now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions
>>>   
>> gratefully
>> 
>>> received.
>>>
>>>   
>> Chrony <http://chrony.sunsite.dk/> works well if you're frequently
>> disconnected from the net. Otherwise plain old ntpd will do the trick.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Thayer
>> Denver, CO
>>
>>
>> 
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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

Thanks Derek - didn't know about NTPD.  We live and learn 

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> Subject: Re: [NF] Dimension 4
>
>
> > I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned
> here.  I'd
> > now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions
> gratefully
> > received.
>
> Typically time synchronization is done via the NTP protocol. Linux
> uses this typically, but so does Windows XP-- the 'internet time' tab
> on the clock that was added in XP does this-- older versions of
> Windows required you to use the net time /setsntp command or hack the
> registry...  No need for extra software...
>
>
> --
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>
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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

Thanks Dave - I didn't know about NTPD.  That's obviously the way to go.
It's not particularly important, just that after many years as a navigator I
get a bit obsessed with having accurate clocks, etc. 

John Weller
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>
>
> On 4/9/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned
> here.  I'd
> > now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions
> gratefully
> > received.
> >
>
> Chrony <http://chrony.sunsite.dk/> works well if you're frequently
> disconnected from the net. Otherwise plain old ntpd will do the trick.
>
> --
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> Denver, CO
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>
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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

Hi Ted,

Thanks for that explanation, it opens a few doors.

Distro is Fedora Core 6 (as recommended by Whil in his book).

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> 
> 
> On 4/10/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Ted.  I get:
> >
> > 4171 pts/0S+  0:00 grep ntpd
> >
> > Does that mean it is running?
> 
> Nope, it doesn't, surprisingly enough. That says you were in the
> middle of running the command ' grep ntpd'
> 
> > What does that command (ps ax|grep ntpd) mean?
> 
> ps lists the processes that are running. 'ax' are flags, modifiers to
> what ps displays. You can issue 'man ps' at the command line to find
> out what they mean. Grep is a command to search through the output it
> is handed (the | called 'pipe' redirects the output of ps into the
> input of grep). 'man grep' will tell you more about that, although
> there are entire books on the 'regular expressions' (search patterns)
> grep is capable of using, you can usually just put what you're looking
> for after the grep command. In this case I was looking for the daemon
> (server) of the network time protocol, cleverly called ntpd.
> 
> Getting ntpd started and configuring it to start on system startup can
> be done in a bunch of ways. Which distribution are you running -
> RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu?
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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

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=>  Nope, that won't work. Sorry, all you pigs out there!
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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Ed Leafe]

On Apr 10, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Vince Teachout wrote:

> Whereupon we bastions of piggotry respond:
>
> alias grab='grep'
>
> woman grab

Nope, that won't work. Sorry, all you pigs out there!

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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Vince Teachout]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
>
>   
>> Don't you think the man command is a bit sexist, non-diversied kind of
>> command ... 
>> 
>
>   OK, then, try this:
>
> alias woman='man'
> woman grep
>   
Whereupon we bastions of piggotry respond:

alias grab='grep'

woman grab



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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

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On Apr 10, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:

> Don't you think the man command is a bit sexist, non-diversied kind of
> command ... 

OK, then, try this:

alias woman='man'
woman grep

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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI]

'man grep' will tell you more about that,

Don't you think the man command is a bit sexist, non-diversied kind of
command ... 

v/r
 

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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Ted Roche]

On 4/10/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Ted.  I get:
>
> 4171 pts/0S+  0:00 grep ntpd
>
> Does that mean it is running?

Nope, it doesn't, surprisingly enough. That says you were in the
middle of running the command ' grep ntpd'

> What does that command (ps ax|grep ntpd) mean?

ps lists the processes that are running. 'ax' are flags, modifiers to
what ps displays. You can issue 'man ps' at the command line to find
out what they mean. Grep is a command to search through the output it
is handed (the | called 'pipe' redirects the output of ps into the
input of grep). 'man grep' will tell you more about that, although
there are entire books on the 'regular expressions' (search patterns)
grep is capable of using, you can usually just put what you're looking
for after the grep command. In this case I was looking for the daemon
(server) of the network time protocol, cleverly called ntpd.

Getting ntpd started and configuring it to start on system startup can
be done in a bunch of ways. Which distribution are you running -
RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu?

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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

Thanks Ted.  I get:

4171 pts/0S+  0:00 grep ntpd

Does that mean it is running?

What does that command (ps ax|grep ntpd) mean?

John Weller
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Dimension 4
>
>
> On 4/9/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned
> here.  I'd
> > now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions
> gratefully
> > received.
>
> Pop open a shell/terminal and type:
>
>  ps ax|grep ntpd
>
> If you get a response that looks something like:
>
>  3112 ?Ss 0:00 ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g
>  8776 pts/2R+ 0:00 grep ntpd
>
> You're already running it.
> --
> Ted Roche
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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Ted Roche]

On 4/9/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned here.  I'd
> now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions gratefully
> received.

Pop open a shell/terminal and type:

 ps ax|grep ntpd

If you get a response that looks something like:

 3112 ?Ss 0:00 ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g
 8776 pts/2R+ 0:00 grep ntpd

You're already running it.
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RE: [NF] Dimension 4

[John Weller]

Hi Ted,

Provides time synchronisation for the system clock.

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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

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On 4/9/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned here.  I'd
> now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions gratefully
> received.
>

Chrony  works well if you're frequently
disconnected from the net. Otherwise plain old ntpd will do the trick.

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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Derek Kalweit]

> I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned here.  I'd
> now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions gratefully
> received.

Typically time synchronization is done via the NTP protocol. Linux
uses this typically, but so does Windows XP-- the 'internet time' tab
on the clock that was added in XP does this-- older versions of
Windows required you to use the net time /setsntp command or hack the
registry...  No need for extra software...


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Re: [NF] Dimension 4

[Ted Roche]

On 4/9/07, John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been using Dimension 4 on my XP box after it was mentioned here.  I'd
> now like something similar to use with Linux.  Any suggestions gratefully
> received.

What does Dimension 4 do?

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