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Tristan Leask wrote: > I have just come across this article written by Ed which made me > laugh... > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6869 > > Most the bit about Chet throwing his toys out the pram made me chuckle! > > Feeling nausea after reading the comments of that articleyes, those "initials" make one sick. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I have just come across this article written by Ed which made me laugh... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6869 Most the bit about Chet throwing his toys out the pram made me chuckle! Tristan -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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My take on the question for what its worth is that there is no one "tool" you need to learn, but rather a skill set. Specifically, learn "meta" programming, i.e., code generation. Both Java and the CLR have rich support for two features that make meta programming relatively easy: reflection and metadata (attributes in .NET; annotations in Java). Also, fluidity with generics will take your design capabilities to a whole new level. To do this you need to learn at least one of the two really deeply, if not both (I find it easier to learn things in pairs, so that the similarities and differences between them "clarify" what they're both really trying to do), and become familiar with such concepts as Domain Engineering and Domain Specific Languages. You need to step outside the box of one database tool and familiarize yourself with the ORM problem. Both ADO and JDBC allow you to a certain degree to treat databases agnostically. But the real power lies in knowing how to interact with database metadata to solve the "object-relational impedance mismatch" which is a fancy way of saying the basic incompatibility between the structural aspects of object-oriented object models and their entity-relational counterparts in SQL. You can argue FoxPro dealt with that in pioneering ways, but the truth is its architecture is all wrong for the kind of "next step" directions that need to be taken to make programming a higher-order task. Or in any case, there are better alternatives. I'm sure some level of metaprogramming is possible in FoxPro, but AFAIK it pales in comparison to what you can do in the JVM and the CLR environments. I've personally found the language frustrating in terms of all the baggage it carries around (the infernal SYS() function for instance is really a big turn off, and the file-system based architecture is really a relic). I can never keep any enthusiasm up for plowing through FoxPro when other tools are so much more powerful and their capabilities are growing by leaps an bounds every year, unrestricted and unencumbered by platform or interoperability issues. C++ is another option. Static meta programming using templates at compile-time is another powerful approach to code generation. Combined with "Policy Based Design", it's amazing what you can do in native C++. But improvements in the performance of VMs and in particular with the optimizing just-in-time compilers are making it harder to justify C++ on performance alone, and most people are so terrified of managing their own memory that the lure of garbage collection (trusting the nanny runtime to clean up after you) is almost invincible. On the other hand, VMs are written in C and C++; so if you want to be REALLY employable in the future, where code generation/automation will throw even the Indians out of work, learn to write your own VM. (The Russians and the Chinese are much more of a threat at this level of competency than the Indians, on my experience. The Indians seem content to build giant "sweat shops" of programmers in Bangalore and suck our corporate capital from us based on the lure of cheap labor, most of whom are quite mediocre, judging by the outsourced code I've seen at two completely different companies that thought outsourcing to India would solve their problems.) Here is an example of a fellow (who is actually French I believe) who is doing just that: http://www.nekovm.org And here is an example of what a small group of bad-ass Russians in Ekaterinburg did with .NET to solve the ORM problem, and then some. What's remarkable is that such small library (only 2MB in size) can do so much. I bought the pro version of the product and have access to the source, and it's something to learn from! http://www.x-tensive.com/products/DataObjects.NET Check out the product manual here: http://resources.x-tensive.com/ The power of this approach -- which is really a thoughtful refinement of the DTO (Data Transfer Object) pattern pioneered by EJB -- should be immediately obvious: Simply "declare" your data model in OO terms with abstract classes using attributes, and let the library build your entire business and data tier transparently for you, including Remoting and offline proxies. All you need to do is point it at a SQL Server, Oracle, Firebird, or Postgres instance (someone wrote a third party postgres driver), and it builds, updates, modifies your schema automatically. EJB3 actually takes a similar approach: Now "entity beans" are just POJOs (Plain Old Java Objects) that are heavily annotated to tell the runtime how to manage it. - Bob On Nov 27, 2006, at 5:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:45:01 -0500, "Kevin Cully" > >> My question is what new tool should I add to my toolbox that will >> keep >> CULLY Technologies rolling along for years to come? > > C# > -- > Alan Bourke > [EMAIL PRO
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:45:01 -0500, "Kevin Cully" > My question is what new tool should I add to my toolbox that will keep > CULLY Technologies rolling along for years to come? C# -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > Next thing you'll be associating with terrorists, or affiliating to the > communist party! > There's a difference?No, JUST KIDDING! SHEEP -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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My apology. Just replied to the message instead of reviewing the subject line.. Respectfully, Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PabloSr Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:33 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... I just love these "Fox on... Linux? Alternatives... Don't we all? PabloSr Value, above all, persons, not things. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fox on.... Linux? Alternatives... What in the hell are you smoking tonight ?? How would suggesting that we stand together and tell our politicians to go fly a kite, be taxes ? You don't know me very well apparently... If I were in charge, the only people getting welfare would be those that show up and work for the government (city and state) jobs that our so called politicians say they can't fill.. You work, even if its very slowly, you get paid. You sit on your ass, you don't get squat... [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I just love these "Fox on... Linux? Alternatives... Don't we all? PabloSr Value, above all, persons, not things. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fox on.... Linux? Alternatives... What in the hell are you smoking tonight ?? How would suggesting that we stand together and tell our politicians to go fly a kite, be taxes ? You don't know me very well apparently... If I were in charge, the only people getting welfare would be those that show up and work for the government (city and state) jobs that our so called politicians say they can't fill.. You work, even if its very slowly, you get paid. You sit on your ass, you don't get squat... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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What in the hell are you smoking tonight ?? How would suggesting that we stand together and tell our politicians to go fly a kite, be taxes ? You don't know me very well apparently... If I were in charge, the only people getting welfare would be those that show up and work for the government (city and state) jobs that our so called politicians say they can't fill.. You work, even if its very slowly, you get paid. You sit on your ass, you don't get squat... Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:12 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > Yep, and if we all stand together, we could get that point across. > > Remember the old saying, United we Stand, Divided we Fall > What you are suggesting would be yes! TAXES! And to add insult to injury you would use that money for public welfare. Virgil, you sound like one of those dirty socialists! Next thing you'll be associating with terrorists, or affiliating to the communist party! > > > > Virgil Bierschwale > http://www.tccutlery.com > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of MB Software Solutions > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:34 AM > To: profox@leafe.com > Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... > > Virgil Bierschwale wrote: >> We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent >> to what it costs here. >> >> We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and its at a point >> where it has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will >> be proven wrong and we'll all be broke.. >> We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or >> you're out the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. >> >> > I suggested something very similar years ago, whereby Corporate > America would have to pay some sort of tariff so that instead of > saving 80% on labor costs, they only got to save maybe 40% on labor > costs (still a "win" for > them) and the other 40% would go into a re-training fund for the > American workforce that was displaced by the outsourcing. That way, > it cushioned the blow to the displaced American worker. Seemed like a fair idea to me. > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > Yep, and if we all stand together, we could get that point across. > > Remember the old saying, United we Stand, Divided we Fall > What you are suggesting would be yes! TAXES! And to add insult to injury you would use that money for public welfare. Virgil, you sound like one of those dirty socialists! Next thing you'll be associating with terrorists, or affiliating to the communist party! > > > > Virgil Bierschwale > http://www.tccutlery.com > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of MB Software Solutions > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:34 AM > To: profox@leafe.com > Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... > > Virgil Bierschwale wrote: >> We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent >> to what it costs here. >> >> We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and it’s at a point >> where it has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will be >> proven wrong and we'll all be broke.. >> We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or >> you're out the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. >> >> > I suggested something very similar years ago, whereby Corporate America > would have to pay some sort of tariff so that instead of saving 80% on labor > costs, they only got to save maybe 40% on labor costs (still a "win" for > them) and the other 40% would go into a re-training fund for the American > workforce that was displaced by the outsourcing. That way, it cushioned the > blow to the displaced American worker. Seemed like a fair idea to me. > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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In the pockets of the people that are supporting the rest of the world... Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:07 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent > to what it costs here. > Erhhh... And in WHOSE pockets does that tariff end up > We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and its at a point > where it has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will be > proven wrong and we'll all be broke.. > We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or > you're out the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. > > > Virgil Bierschwale > http://www.tccutlery.com > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of MB Software Solutions > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:20 PM > To: profox@leafe.com > Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... > > Virgil Bierschwale wrote: >> Excellent idea... >> United we stand, >> Divided we fall.. >> >> Thats the reason I'm trying to get my offshore project going... >> >> I'm not against offshoring, but if the average programmer here makes >> 65K, then I want to add a tariff so that we are paying them 65K so >> that we're comparing apples to apples... >> >> > Virgil, while that idea of a tariff might sound good to us, who the > heck is gonna agree to pay it when they can outsource to India for 1/10 of our pay? > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent to what > it costs here. > Erhhh... And in WHOSE pockets does that tariff end up > We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and it’s at a point where it > has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will be proven wrong > and we'll all be broke.. > We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or you're out > the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. > > > Virgil Bierschwale > http://www.tccutlery.com > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of MB Software Solutions > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:20 PM > To: profox@leafe.com > Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... > > Virgil Bierschwale wrote: >> Excellent idea... >> United we stand, >> Divided we fall.. >> >> That’s the reason I'm trying to get my offshore project going... >> >> I'm not against offshoring, but if the average programmer here makes >> 65K, then I want to add a tariff so that we are paying them 65K so >> that we're comparing apples to apples... >> >> > Virgil, while that idea of a tariff might sound good to us, who the heck is > gonna agree to pay it when they can outsource to India for 1/10 of our pay? > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Yep, and if we all stand together, we could get that point across. Remember the old saying, United we Stand, Divided we Fall Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:34 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent > to what it costs here. > > We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and it’s at a point > where it has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will be > proven wrong and we'll all be broke.. > We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or > you're out the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. > > I suggested something very similar years ago, whereby Corporate America would have to pay some sort of tariff so that instead of saving 80% on labor costs, they only got to save maybe 40% on labor costs (still a "win" for them) and the other 40% would go into a re-training fund for the American workforce that was displaced by the outsourcing. That way, it cushioned the blow to the displaced American worker. Seemed like a fair idea to me. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent to what > it costs here. > > We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and it’s at a point where it > has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will be proven wrong > and we'll all be broke.. > We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or you're out > the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. > > I suggested something very similar years ago, whereby Corporate America would have to pay some sort of tariff so that instead of saving 80% on labor costs, they only got to save maybe 40% on labor costs (still a "win" for them) and the other 40% would go into a re-training fund for the American workforce that was displaced by the outsourcing. That way, it cushioned the blow to the displaced American worker. Seemed like a fair idea to me. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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We impose a tariff on all items that we import to make it equivalent to what it costs here. We're allready doing it, just not yet on labor, and it’s at a point where it has to happen or in another 50 years, the economist's will be proven wrong and we'll all be broke.. We have to stand up UNITED and tell our politician's, its this or you're out the door and don't let it hit you on the ass. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:20 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > Excellent idea... > United we stand, > Divided we fall.. > > That’s the reason I'm trying to get my offshore project going... > > I'm not against offshoring, but if the average programmer here makes > 65K, then I want to add a tariff so that we are paying them 65K so > that we're comparing apples to apples... > > Virgil, while that idea of a tariff might sound good to us, who the heck is gonna agree to pay it when they can outsource to India for 1/10 of our pay? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > Excellent idea... > United we stand, > Divided we fall.. > > That’s the reason I'm trying to get my offshore project going... > > I'm not against offshoring, but if the average programmer here makes 65K, > then I want to add a tariff so that we are paying them 65K so that we're > comparing apples to apples... > > Virgil, while that idea of a tariff might sound good to us, who the heck is gonna agree to pay it when they can outsource to India for 1/10 of our pay? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Of course it will.. I've been trying to do it all week and had ZERO results...!!! BUT, I'm persistent Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:24 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Fox on.... Linux? Alternatives... > > How about someone setting up a PayPal account or something similar > whereby we can make a donation towards this? Silly idea or valid? Hey, that sounds like a great idea. I bet there are 10,000,000 VFP developers in the world, if you count Russia and India and China and Viet Nam. We just need 1% of them to contribute, oh, $5 each. Heck, just $2 each. I know _I_ would chip in $2. In fact, what we could do it set up an organization to promote it. And we could have a board of directors and officers and representatives from various countries, to make sure that every member's needs are taken care of. And then we could run ads in the NY Times just like Firefox, and we could generate this huge groundswell of enthusiasm for VFP and that would really show MSFT who's boss. And then maybe they'd take VFP seriously, and start putting some real marketing dollars behind it. And then they'd get rid of that 2 GB file limit. And in VFP 11 we'd get object oriented menus and a new ODBC driver. WOW! (in my best Steve Martin voice) This is going to be GREAT Oh, wait, never mind. I just read the paypal thread and found out that they suck. Looks like this idea won't work after all. Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Excellent idea... United we stand, Divided we fall.. That’s the reason I'm trying to get my offshore project going... I'm not against offshoring, but if the average programmer here makes 65K, then I want to add a tariff so that we are paying them 65K so that we're comparing apples to apples... Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:12 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Are they doing anything about the issues you report, or isn't there > critical mass? I know Jeremy wanted me to scrape up a few grand to pay > for them to look at what it would take to add VFP into their list of > approved apps. > > How about someone setting up a PayPal account or something similar whereby we can make a donation towards this? Silly idea or valid? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kevin Cully wrote: > All this is a stop gap measure IMO however. Bottom line: VFP won't ever > run natively on Macs or Linux. I want my apps to run natively on the 3 > major OS platforms so I think I would better spend my time learning > Python/Dabo and REALbasic. If only I didn't have to sleep. You don't need no stinky sleep. :) http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925391.300 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 11/24/06, Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...VFP will continue to run on > Windows (currently 90% of desktops) until I retire, I'm sure, in 25 to > 30 years from now even if it is in emulation. > > My question is what new tool should I add to my toolbox that will keep > CULLY Technologies rolling along for years to come? > Look at what tools were in vogue 30 years ago. Business BASIC was really popular. I was running it on MAI machines, PHP-4s, WANG A desktops and Data General equipment. I think Phlapjaxs is the next big thing, myself: www.phlapjaxs.com I think the thing to recognize is that the only constant in this business is change, and that the skill to master is recognizing, adapting to, and capitalizing on that change. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Hey, that sounds like a great idea. > > I bet there are 10,000,000 VFP developers in the world, if you count > Russia and India and China and Viet Nam. We just need 1% of them to > contribute, oh, $5 each. Heck, just $2 each. I know _I_ would chip in $2. > > In fact, what we could do it set up an organization to promote it. And > we could have a board of directors and officers and representatives from > various countries, to make sure that every member's needs are taken care > of. And then we could run ads in the NY Times just like Firefox, and we > could generate this huge groundswell of enthusiasm for VFP and that > would really show MSFT who's boss. > > And then maybe they'd take VFP seriously, and start putting some real > marketing dollars behind it. And then they'd get rid of that 2 GB file > limit. And in VFP 11 we'd get object oriented menus and a new ODBC driver. > > WOW! (in my best Steve Martin voice) This is going to be GREAT > > Oh, wait, never mind. I just read the paypal thread and found out that > they suck. Looks like this idea won't work after all. > LOL! And here I thought you were talking about the defunct, never-got-off-the-ground VFP Developers Association (VFPDA). -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 11/24/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What Linux host are you running? I had been running this on an Ubuntu box for a while, but a kernel update caused some problems. I'm looking at switching it over to another Ubuntu box. > Lots of good info available, though. Yes, folks are grokking that this is an important feature to have, and I agree. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I would think that just running a VM does most of what VFP developers are wanting. Free, it's here today, no magic elixir needed. I'm going to keep testing VFP9 on Crossover Office/WINE but I'm not going to hold my breath. On the other hand, VFP will continue to run on Windows (currently 90% of desktops) until I retire, I'm sure, in 25 to 30 years from now even if it is in emulation. My question is what new tool should I add to my toolbox that will keep CULLY Technologies rolling along for years to come? I really like REALbasic but it's closed source, and it's a small developer base. Even today, the IDE is very VFP like and the transition is almost zero. (Add a space between the END and IF!) Not too many RB jobs out there, however. Python developers, are in VERY short supply and there's a big demand for them in business in various capacities. The learning curve for VFP developers is greater but doable. I just need to do it and develop enough experience with Python that someone will pay for that experience! Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net MB Software Solutions wrote: > How about someone setting up a PayPal account or something similar > whereby we can make a donation towards this? Silly idea or valid? > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 11/24/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not too worried about not being OS. That's kinda in the middle of my > list. Most interested to get rid of: Vendors who treat customers like > criminals. Hmmm, who could that be? Novell? >*rimshot*< -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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MB Software Solutions wrote: > Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: >>> We can't publicly admit that we've got VFP running on Linux across the >>> globe successfully, Whil, for fear of "The Man." >>> >> Tsk, tsk, we don't need your kind around here. Ballmer spreads enough >> FUD for a thousand people. :) >> >> > > I was referring to your episode, where you were "gung-ho" and then > stopped under legal pressure and/or warnings from the M$ Empire. Not > accurate? > No, not exactly. :) Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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> > How about someone setting up a PayPal account or something similar > whereby we can make a donation towards this? Silly idea or valid? Hey, that sounds like a great idea. I bet there are 10,000,000 VFP developers in the world, if you count Russia and India and China and Viet Nam. We just need 1% of them to contribute, oh, $5 each. Heck, just $2 each. I know _I_ would chip in $2. In fact, what we could do it set up an organization to promote it. And we could have a board of directors and officers and representatives from various countries, to make sure that every member's needs are taken care of. And then we could run ads in the NY Times just like Firefox, and we could generate this huge groundswell of enthusiasm for VFP and that would really show MSFT who's boss. And then maybe they'd take VFP seriously, and start putting some real marketing dollars behind it. And then they'd get rid of that 2 GB file limit. And in VFP 11 we'd get object oriented menus and a new ODBC driver. WOW! (in my best Steve Martin voice) This is going to be GREAT Oh, wait, never mind. I just read the paypal thread and found out that they suck. Looks like this idea won't work after all. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: >>> >>> >> We can't publicly admit that we've got VFP running on Linux across the >> globe successfully, Whil, for fear of "The Man." >> > > Tsk, tsk, we don't need your kind around here. Ballmer spreads enough > FUD for a thousand people. :) > > I was referring to your episode, where you were "gung-ho" and then stopped under legal pressure and/or warnings from the M$ Empire. Not accurate? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Are they doing anything about the issues you report, or isn't there > critical mass? I know Jeremy wanted me to scrape up a few grand to pay > for them to look at what it would take to add VFP into their list of > approved apps. > > How about someone setting up a PayPal account or something similar whereby we can make a donation towards this? Silly idea or valid? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > I've got seven years out of this notebook; I'd say I got my money's > worth if it died tomorrow. IBM sure does make 'em solid. > > (I dropped a TP off the counter at JFK, sans case, and all it did was > scratch the corner.) > My GM has a new Lenovo that he really likes. 2GB RAM too, iirc. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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> major OS platforms so I think I would better spend my time learning > Python/Dabo and REALbasic. If only I didn't have to sleep. Yes, we have a saying around here. (Actually, we have a lot of sayings around here) The one that is applicable here is "So many pedestrians, so little time." Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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> of the challenges of Wine, I'm using VMWare Server to run a full image > of WinXPProSP2. Advantages: fully compatible with WXP, contained in What Linux host are you running? I'm gonna put it on a FC6 box; although I note there are a variety of things to consider wrt the Anaconda installer not syncing up kernel and kernel-devel. Lots of good info available, though. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I don't think there is really critical mass. Of course, I'm not doing a good job of reporting either. VFP just kinda "disappears" without an error message or anything I can find in a log. Basically, I've been reporting that it "don werk!" Perhaps I need to look deeper and see if I can find some sort of error log. So far, I can't find one. I'm hoping that one of these versions that it'll start magically working again. All this is a stop gap measure IMO however. Bottom line: VFP won't ever run natively on Macs or Linux. I want my apps to run natively on the 3 major OS platforms so I think I would better spend my time learning Python/Dabo and REALbasic. If only I didn't have to sleep. -Kevin Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Are they doing anything about the issues you report, or isn't there > critical mass? I know Jeremy wanted me to scrape up a few grand to pay > for them to look at what it would take to add VFP into their list of > approved apps. > > Whil > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kevin Cully wrote: > Hey Whil. > > I haven't had a lot of success in this area. > > I'm hoping to scrape together enough money to purchase a new laptop with > 2G of RAM and give VM a try. I think this is most likely the best > solution. > > I know that Ed VNCs to another Windows machine and does his development > this way. It wouldn't help when you're on the road, visiting a client. > > I've worked with Crossover Office a bit, which is a wrapper around WINE. > They also contribute back to the WINE project so I'm happy to purchase > their Standard version for $39. I think that's the amount. > > Unfortunately, VFP stopped working with Crossover Office after version > 4.2. I've been made an "Advocate" for VFP 8 and 9 for Crossover Office > and I've been trying it with each version since, to no avail. Are they doing anything about the issues you report, or isn't there critical mass? I know Jeremy wanted me to scrape up a few grand to pay for them to look at what it would take to add VFP into their list of approved apps. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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> I'm not running a lot of Fox these days, but I still need a Windows > box around for a couple of apps I haven't moved over yet: xCase, My sole Fox box is starting to make sounds like it's going to die, so I thought I'd better get a backup moved over 'just in case'. I also need to run QB, but those are the only two Windows apps I need anymore. > QuickBooksPro, occasionally SourceSafe. Rather than wrestle with some > of the challenges of Wine, I'm using VMWare Server to run a full image > of WinXPProSP2. Advantages: fully compatible with WXP, contained in > its own environment (with firewalling, virus and malware scanning), > easy to turn off. Disadvantages: requires machine with significant > horsepower (~2GHz, ~1Gb), is not Open Source. My new box is a duo processor, 2 GHz, 2 GB machine. Goes like spit. Not too worried about not being OS. That's kinda in the middle of my list. Most interested to get rid of: Vendors who treat customers like criminals. Hmmm, who could that be? VMWare Server sounds like it's going to be the best route Anyone else? I've got seven years out of this notebook; I'd say I got my money's worth if it died tomorrow. IBM sure does make 'em solid. (I dropped a TP off the counter at JFK, sans case, and all it did was scratch the corner.) Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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>> > > We can't publicly admit that we've got VFP running on Linux across the > globe successfully, Whil, for fear of "The Man." Tsk, tsk, we don't need your kind around here. Ballmer spreads enough FUD for a thousand people. :) Seriously, this isn't actually true. You can run VFP on Linux as long as you are running a licensed copy. What MSFT CLAIMS you're not allowed to do (but what has never been proven one way or the other) is run your app with the VFP runtimes on Linux, without paying MSFT a license fee. What's really ridicerous (sic) is that when we asked about getting a license fee for the runtime (e.g. like SQL/Server CALs), MSFT said they'd never do that. They just don't want anyone to use VFP. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I would be interested in hearing about this also. The last time I saw fox on xenix was SCO Foxplus. Not even sure if its still around ? Virgil Bierschwale http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:13 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Hi folks, I'm taking a couple steps back and looking at the big picture again. I'm gonna put Fox on a Fedora Core box and am weighing the alternatives... 1. Crossover Office 2. Wine 3. VM (server? pro? freebie?) 4. ? Who out there is running VFP on a Linux box on a day-to-day basis, how are you doing it, and what are your "if I had to do it all over again, I would" experiences? Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Nov 24, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: > I know that Ed VNCs to another Windows machine and does his > development > this way. It wouldn't help when you're on the road, visiting a > client. On the road I use a Windows VM. At home, I use Remote Desktop Connection to connect via a Terminal Server session, which seems much snappier than VNC. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Hey Whil. I haven't had a lot of success in this area. I'm hoping to scrape together enough money to purchase a new laptop with 2G of RAM and give VM a try. I think this is most likely the best solution. I know that Ed VNCs to another Windows machine and does his development this way. It wouldn't help when you're on the road, visiting a client. I've worked with Crossover Office a bit, which is a wrapper around WINE. They also contribute back to the WINE project so I'm happy to purchase their Standard version for $39. I think that's the amount. Unfortunately, VFP stopped working with Crossover Office after version 4.2. I've been made an "Advocate" for VFP 8 and 9 for Crossover Office and I've been trying it with each version since, to no avail. You can download the older version (4.2) from their archives and it works fairly well. The XML stuff doesn't work but printing reports work! It runs about 25 to 50% slower than natively running it under Windows but I would think that's reasonable. I hope this helps you out with what you're looking for. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm taking a couple steps back and looking at the big picture again. I'm > gonna put Fox on a Fedora Core box and am weighing the alternatives... > > 1. Crossover Office > 2. Wine > 3. VM (server? pro? freebie?) > 4. ? > > Who out there is running VFP on a Linux box on a day-to-day basis, how > are you doing it, and what are your "if I had to do it all over again, I > would" experiences? > > Whil > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 11/24/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who out there is running VFP on a Linux box on a day-to-day basis, how > are you doing it, and what are your "if I had to do it all over again, I > would" experiences? > Good morning. Hope you and yours had a happy Thanksgiving. I'm not running a lot of Fox these days, but I still need a Windows box around for a couple of apps I haven't moved over yet: xCase, QuickBooksPro, occasionally SourceSafe. Rather than wrestle with some of the challenges of Wine, I'm using VMWare Server to run a full image of WinXPProSP2. Advantages: fully compatible with WXP, contained in its own environment (with firewalling, virus and malware scanning), easy to turn off. Disadvantages: requires machine with significant horsepower (~2GHz, ~1Gb), is not Open Source. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm taking a couple steps back and looking at the big picture again. I'm > gonna put Fox on a Fedora Core box and am weighing the alternatives... > > 1. Crossover Office > 2. Wine > 3. VM (server? pro? freebie?) > 4. ? > > Who out there is running VFP on a Linux box on a day-to-day basis, how > are you doing it, and what are your "if I had to do it all over again, I > would" experiences? > > We can't publicly admit that we've got VFP running on Linux across the globe successfully, Whil, for fear of "The Man." -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ah, just remembered what it was craping out on... Oleacc.dll If anyone knows why, I would be very grateful! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Posted At: 24 November 2006 15:13 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Subject: RE: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... I have tried to run our compiled programs under Wine, but it always crashed out when reading/writing to the registry. Funny That. The program starts up ok, but then crashes. All I installed was wine whilst running in Ubuntu. -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I have tried to run our compiled programs under Wine, but it always crashed out when reading/writing to the registry. Funny That. The program starts up ok, but then crashes. All I installed was wine whilst running in Ubuntu. Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) Posted At: 24 November 2006 15:13 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Subject: Fox on Linux? Alternatives... Hi folks, I'm taking a couple steps back and looking at the big picture again. I'm gonna put Fox on a Fedora Core box and am weighing the alternatives... 1. Crossover Office 2. Wine 3. VM (server? pro? freebie?) 4. ? Who out there is running VFP on a Linux box on a day-to-day basis, how are you doing it, and what are your "if I had to do it all over again, I would" experiences? Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
