RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Hi Hal, I only use a very simplistic system printing two copies on to a single laser printer. Both are the same colour and print on to blank sheets however I'm sure it would be possible to have two lasers connected via USB to the same PC each loaded with different coloured paper and use the SET PRINTER TO command to select the appropriate printer. The only extra expense would be the second printer which is not a lot these days. The job I worked on needed two copies of an invoice one of which was packed with the goods as soon as it was printed so the issue of keeping the forms together didn't arise. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hal Kaplan Sent: 19 December 2006 16:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = Subject: RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = I have a report with a variable in the header which I set to = 'Customer Copy', 'File Copy', etc as required then print the = report twice or three times as required. As for cost we can = buy laser printers here in UK for L50 (= $80 ish). Cost of = ownership is reasonable when you factor in the cost of forms = (duplicate forms are not cheap), the cost of a dot matrix = printer which is increasing due to their scarcity and the = buggeration factor of form lengths, etc = = John Weller John, I am with you 100% on how this should be done but I must ask you ... 1. Do you print the multiple copies on the same printer or multiple printers? 2. Can you handle different colors for each part of the set? and most important 3. How do you keep the printed forms together to maintain the integrity of a set of forms? I am very interested in your responses. Thanks for your help. B+ HALinNY [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
= Subject: RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = Hi Hal, = = I only use a very simplistic system printing two copies on = to a single laser printer. Both are the same colour and = print on to blank sheets however I'm sure it would be = possible to have two lasers connected via USB to the same PC = each loaded with different coloured paper and use the SET = PRINTER TO command to select the appropriate printer. The = only extra expense would be the second printer which is not = a lot these days. The job I worked on needed two copies of = an invoice one of which was packed with the goods as soon as = it was printed so the issue of keeping the forms together = didn't arise. = = John Weller Thank you for the response, John. My applications create work orders in advance of an event, so the issue of keeping the set intact is critical. Also the forms are almost always written on at the time of service and that writing must appear on all copies. Quite a different scenario than yours. Can we switch? g B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Hi Hal ! If you don't want to go the dot-matrix route, with continuous forms, there are a couple of alternatives : 1. If you need different coloured paper for the copies, you can get plain NCR paper in pre-collated sets, in reverse order - then just print the 2 copies (or 3, if triplicate). Two issues - feeding NCR paper can be difficult on some lasers and - if you have a mis-feed, you must toss the other sheets as well, to get back in sequence. 2. If you can have all copies the same colour - possibly by printing designations (Customer Copy), you can just use self-contained NCR paper - when you write on it, it will copy, as both chemicals are in one sheet. No need to collate in order. One issue - the paper stays active, so any writing or hard pressure will also mark it. As to how to fasten the copies - a staple, or perhaps one of those gadgets that crimps the sheets together ... like a stapler, but without staples. -- ..bobp http://www.prosumers.ca http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com ---orig.- On Wednesday 20 December 2006 09:56, Hal Kaplan wrote: = Subject: RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = Hi Hal, = = I only use a very simplistic system printing two copies on = to a single laser printer. Both are the same colour and = print on to blank sheets however I'm sure it would be = possible to have two lasers connected via USB to the same PC = each loaded with different coloured paper and use the SET = PRINTER TO command to select the appropriate printer. The = only extra expense would be the second printer which is not = a lot these days. The job I worked on needed two copies of = an invoice one of which was packed with the goods as soon as = it was printed so the issue of keeping the forms together = didn't arise. = = John Weller Thank you for the response, John. My applications create work orders in advance of an event, so the issue of keeping the set intact is critical. Also the forms are almost always written on at the time of service and that writing must appear on all copies. Quite a different scenario than yours. Can we switch? g B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
On Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:34 AM Bob Patterson wrote: snipped -- ..bobp http://www.prosumers.ca http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com Selling Amway/Quixtar stuff I see... How is that working out for you? David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
= Subject: Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = = Hi Hal ! Bob, thanks for the write-up. I still have a couple of questions ... = = If you don't want to go the dot-matrix route, with = continuous forms, there are a couple of alternatives : = = 1. If you need different coloured paper for the copies, = you can get plain NCR paper in pre-collated sets, in reverse order = - then just print the 2 copies (or 3, if triplicate). = = Two issues - feeding NCR paper can be difficult on some = lasers and - if you have a mis-feed, you must toss the = other sheets as well, to get back in sequence. = I am aware of this technique and have used it for producing relatively large quantities of blank forms. The problem (my problem) with this is if you want to print just a few sets, there is no easy way to turn them into sets using the preapplied adhesive. Do you know of a way to do that without using the standard padding technique that printers use? = 2. If you can have all copies the same colour - possibly = by printing designations (Customer Copy), you can just use = self-contained NCR paper - when you write on it, it will = copy, as both chemicals are in one sheet. No need to collate = in order. = = One issue - the paper stays active, so any writing or = hard pressure will also mark it. Unless these are the same as above, you are talking about the pre-assembled crash printing sets, right? No problem binding the sets because they already are bound, but printing on a laser or ink-jet will not crash through to the copies. So I am confused by what you mean here. = = As to how to fasten the copies - a staple, or perhaps one = of those gadgets that crimps the sheets together ... = like a stapler, but without staples. = Yes, the simplest way would be one of those but experience has shown that the get easily messed up and out of register in the field. The best way to keep sets together is to use the pre-applied adhesive, but that is a pain, as mentioned above. Anyhow, thanks for your help and if you want to continue, perhaps we should do this off-list. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
I have a report with a variable in the header which I set to 'Customer Copy', 'File Copy', etc as required then print the report twice or three times as required. As for cost we can buy laser printers here in UK for L50 (= $80 ish). Cost of ownership is reasonable when you factor in the cost of forms (duplicate forms are not cheap), the cost of a dot matrix printer which is increasing due to their scarcity and the buggeration factor of form lengths, etc John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: 18 December 2006 22:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? (I'll post this in a separate thread of its own rather than clutter the other thread.) Say a client has traditionally used duplicate or triplicate forms where a field delivery person had written the number of gallons of oil delivered to a customer, and when finished filling the tank, the delivery person left one copy with the customer and gave the rest to the office staff. How do most of you handle printing in triplicate formsdo you use the good old fashioned pin printers or do you make it easier on yourself (avoiding the custom form size bullsh*t) and just print 3 copies off the laser printer? I hardly ever have to deal with pin printers anymore but I guess they're not necessarily a dying breed (in cases where duplicate/triplicate forms are needed). A simple paper spreadsheet sounds ok but won't work in the instance that you want to give the customer a copy when you leave their residence. How would you approach this need/requirement? Your comments encouraged and welcomed...thanks! --Michael -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
High Virgil Only thing I could think was that it must have got confused somehow as I've never seen somebody run 4 at one time on one pc via USB.. I ran into precisely this problem a couple of weeks ago. My app needs to print on 4 different preprinted forms at the same time and then, three copies of each form. I implemented a chain of 5 laser printers hooked to one PC and they all work via one USB switch. (the reason I have 5 printers is because some folks need to print and additional sheet, with a summary of all transactions and... well it is complicated) The fact is that I have 5 laser printers set up as a chain and they are all controlled by one PC. I had the problem that the printers were confused and printed randomly all forms on the same printer, driving me nuts, until after some consultation in this forum and a lot of head scratching, came up with a very simple solution: Put a wait statement between sheets (actually INKEY(2) ). The reason: apparently the microprocessor in the PC is so much faster than the capacity of the USB port to deal with the data that it would not switch to the correct printer as the program commanded (incidentally this had happened to me in the past with impact printers in FPD and the solution was to put a do while loop like this: w=1 do while w 10 enddo ) My present solution, which works like a charm with the lasers has been posted here but I will repeat it anyways. _pcopies = 3 _peject='NONE' set printer to name \\facturacion\listas printjob Report Form listas to printer noconsole =Inkey(2) endprintjob _pcopies = 3 _peject='NONE' set printer to name \\facturacion\remitos printjob Report Form remitos to printer noconsole =Inkey(2) endprintjob etc As you see, the wait command (inkey) will give the USB port 2 seconds after printing each page, which is time enough for the next set printer command to work Regards Rafael Copquin ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
That’s interesting. Thanks, Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rafael Copquin Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:37 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? High Virgil Only thing I could think was that it must have got confused somehow as I've never seen somebody run 4 at one time on one pc via USB.. I ran into precisely this problem a couple of weeks ago. My app needs to print on 4 different preprinted forms at the same time and then, three copies of each form. I implemented a chain of 5 laser printers hooked to one PC and they all work via one USB switch. (the reason I have 5 printers is because some folks need to print and additional sheet, with a summary of all transactions and... well it is complicated) The fact is that I have 5 laser printers set up as a chain and they are all controlled by one PC. I had the problem that the printers were confused and printed randomly all forms on the same printer, driving me nuts, until after some consultation in this forum and a lot of head scratching, came up with a very simple solution: Put a wait statement between sheets (actually INKEY(2) ). The reason: apparently the microprocessor in the PC is so much faster than the capacity of the USB port to deal with the data that it would not switch to the correct printer as the program commanded (incidentally this had happened to me in the past with impact printers in FPD and the solution was to put a do while loop like this: w=1 do while w 10 enddo ) My present solution, which works like a charm with the lasers has been posted here but I will repeat it anyways. _pcopies = 3 _peject='NONE' set printer to name \\facturacion\listas printjob Report Form listas to printer noconsole =Inkey(2) endprintjob _pcopies = 3 _peject='NONE' set printer to name \\facturacion\remitos printjob Report Form remitos to printer noconsole =Inkey(2) endprintjob etc As you see, the wait command (inkey) will give the USB port 2 seconds after printing each page, which is time enough for the next set printer command to work Regards Rafael Copquin [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Hi Michael ! Been doing this since about 1977 - the dot matrix IS the best way to handle multi-part forms. Your customer has been wizzed by a fast-talking forms salesman - 4 2/3 is an ODDBALL form size - few forms manufacturers have the equipment to make it = customer lock-in !! (Must run on a 28 or 14 press ...) Any chance the form could be re-designed to be 3 1/2 ?? Would be cheaper, and lots of competition ... and no problems with software. As someone else pointed out, the 2/3 is what's throwing the spacing off ... You must specify 28 LINES at 6 lpi for the form size - if WORD won't do that, then : One way I have programmed around that is to make the form size 14, and set up the program to do 3 actual forms within the 14 virtual form. It's a kludge, but it worked ! (Means grabbing the next THREE customer names for each form ..) I'd just do a QD FP label program, rather than mess with WORD !! -- ..bobp http://www.prosumers.ca http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com ---orig.- On Monday 18 December 2006 17:45, MB Software Solutions wrote: (I'll post this in a separate thread of its own rather than clutter the other thread.) Say a client has traditionally used duplicate or triplicate forms where a field delivery person had written the number of gallons of oil delivered to a customer, and when finished filling the tank, the delivery person left one copy with the customer and gave the rest to the office staff. How do most of you handle printing in triplicate formsdo you use the good old fashioned pin printers or do you make it easier on yourself (avoiding the custom form size bullsh*t) and just print 3 copies off the laser printer? I hardly ever have to deal with pin printers anymore but I guess they're not necessarily a dying breed (in cases where duplicate/triplicate forms are needed). A simple paper spreadsheet sounds ok but won't work in the instance that you want to give the customer a copy when you leave their residence. How would you approach this need/requirement? Your comments encouraged and welcomed...thanks! --Michael -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
= Subject: RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = I have a report with a variable in the header which I set to = 'Customer Copy', 'File Copy', etc as required then print the = report twice or three times as required. As for cost we can = buy laser printers here in UK for L50 (= $80 ish). Cost of = ownership is reasonable when you factor in the cost of forms = (duplicate forms are not cheap), the cost of a dot matrix = printer which is increasing due to their scarcity and the = buggeration factor of form lengths, etc = = John Weller John, I am with you 100% on how this should be done but I must ask you ... 1. Do you print the multiple copies on the same printer or multiple printers? 2. Can you handle different colors for each part of the set? and most important 3. How do you keep the printed forms together to maintain the integrity of a set of forms? I am very interested in your responses. Thanks for your help. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Stephen the Cook wrote: I'd have an impact printer do what an impact printer does very well. You are just filling in a few dashes on the form. This isn't that tough. Get an OKI Data with push and not a pull feed. When you say push do you mean tractor feed?? I likened pull to mean friction feed (or at least that's what I called it many years ago). -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
John Weller wrote: I have a report with a variable in the header which I set to 'Customer Copy', 'File Copy', etc as required then print the report twice or three times as required. As for cost we can buy laser printers here in UK for L50 (= $80 ish). Cost of ownership is reasonable when you factor in the cost of forms (duplicate forms are not cheap), the cost of a dot matrix printer which is increasing due to their scarcity and the buggeration factor of form lengths, etc That's about the logic I was using, too. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Rafael Copquin wrote: snipped My present solution, which works like a charm with the lasers has been posted here but I will repeat it anyways. _pcopies = 3 _peject='NONE' set printer to name \\facturacion\listas printjob Report Form listas to printer noconsole =Inkey(2) endprintjob _pcopies = 3 _peject='NONE' set printer to name \\facturacion\remitos printjob Report Form remitos to printer noconsole =Inkey(2) endprintjob etc As you see, the wait command (inkey) will give the USB port 2 seconds after printing each page, which is time enough for the next set printer command to work Cool! Thanks for posting that. I don't think I'd ever seen the PRINTJOB/ENDPRINTJOB commands before, so I looked them up, and now I learned something new today! See how great this list can be, even on small things? ;-) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Bob Patterson wrote: Hi Michael ! Been doing this since about 1977 - the dot matrix IS the best way to handle multi-part forms. Your customer has been wizzed by a fast-talking forms salesman - 4 2/3 is an ODDBALL form size - few forms manufacturers have the equipment to make it = customer lock-in !! (Must run on a 28 or 14 press ...) Any chance the form could be re-designed to be 3 1/2 ?? Would be cheaper, and lots of competition ... and no problems with software. I'll research that and take that suggestion to the client if I find a forms vendor supporting that. Got any vendors you recommend? As someone else pointed out, the 2/3 is what's throwing the spacing off ... You must specify 28 LINES at 6 lpi for the form size - if WORD won't do that, then : One way I have programmed around that is to make the form size 14, and set up the program to do 3 actual forms within the 14 virtual form. It's a kludge, but it worked ! (Means grabbing the next THREE customer names for each form ..) Cool trick, and I've used this in different programming applications from over 20 years ago, but as for doing this with MS-Word, how would I do it? I realize it's Record, Record + 1, and Record + 2, then skip 3, but how does one do that in MS-Word? I'd just do a QD FP label program, rather than mess with WORD !! My thoughts EXACTLY. I monkeyed with it for awhile, and then just decided after still not getting it to whip up a quick label with a fixed band height but the darn printer said out of paper. I figured I can make a VFP label for this thing in half the time I've wasted monkeying around with these MS-Word settings. Also, I liked the idea of not having the reluctance of MS-Office so much either. Now this customer already has MS-Office, so no problem, but I was just thinking outside the M$ camp too. Thanks for all of your thoughts/tipskeep 'em coming! --Michael -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
MB Software Solutions wrote: Stephen the Cook wrote: I'd have an impact printer do what an impact printer does very well. You are just filling in a few dashes on the form. This isn't that tough. Get an OKI Data with push and not a pull feed. When you say push do you mean tractor feed?? I likened pull to mean friction feed (or at least that's what I called it many years ago). Tractor can be push or pull (or sometimes both). ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
= Subject: Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = Stephen the Cook wrote: = I'd have an impact printer do what an impact printer does = very well. = You are just filling in a few dashes on the form. This isn't that = tough. Get an OKI Data with push and not a pull feed. = = = When you say push do you mean tractor feed?? I likened = pull to mean friction feed (or at least that's what I = called it many years ago). = = Michael J. Babcock, MCP I know I am wasting my time with this but what the hell. Michael, get yourself a copy of Dr. Doolittle. The original one with Rex Harrison as the good Doctor. Somewhere around halfway through, he introduces an animal that looks like a llama with two heads facing in opposite directions. The creature is called a PUSH-ME/PULL-YOU. Fortunately, this is the last thing I have to say about your printing problem. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Paul Newton wrote: Tractor can be push or pull (or sometimes both). Oh right! Now I remembersome had the tracks in the rear, pulling it through. Thanks for that trip back in time, Paul! What a memory! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Hal Kaplan wrote: Fortunately, this is the last thing I have to say about your printing problem. And fortunately for the rest of us toosaves us bandwidth and hitting the [DELETE] key for nonsense posts. :-p -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
That's because you're too young! I go back to 1987 with the fox and, living in a Latin American country, had to make do with what was available, not always the most rational solution. (I mean the do while loop I posted) But the printjob/endprintjob construct works well and is really convenient if you combine it with the printing system variables. Take care Rafael Cool! Thanks for posting that. I don't think I'd ever seen the PRINTJOB/ENDPRINTJOB commands before, so I looked them up, and now I learned something new today! See how great this list can be, even on small things? ;-) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
= Subject: Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = That's because you're too young! = = I go back to 1987 with the fox... = = Rafael = You too, Rafael? I started back then too. I had a client with a FB 1.0 app and I had to learn the language from a DBase manual. Some day I am planning to learn SQL and OOP if I get the chance g. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
I have been using VFP since 1997 and already started learning SQL Server, lest the vultures (ie obsolescense) make a feast out of me. I started out by reading a book by Miriam Liskin, about a fisherman who wrote a program using DBase III Plus. Funny if you think of it, for a fisherman to write a computer program, but very useful at the time. It was an eye opener. My first program, written in DBase III Plus, was accounting for port expenses for a shipping company I was working for. Well, it is 8:00 PM here, so I'll shut my systems down for the day, a very torrid summer day here in the Southern Hemisphere. Bye for now Rafael Copquin - Original Message - From: Hal Kaplan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = Subject: Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? = = That's because you're too young! = = I go back to 1987 with the fox... = = Rafael = You too, Rafael? I started back then too. I had a client with a FB 1.0 app and I had to learn the language from a DBase manual. Some day I am planning to learn SQL and OOP if I get the chance g. B+ HALinNY [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
MB Software Solutions wrote: Stephen the Cook wrote: I'd have an impact printer do what an impact printer does very well. You are just filling in a few dashes on the form. This isn't that tough. Get an OKI Data with push and not a pull feed. When you say push do you mean tractor feed?? I likened pull to mean friction feed (or at least that's what I called it many years ago). No on an OKI the tractor feed would sit ON TOP of the printer and consume an extra printed form (waste). The push is going to come from the back using the wheels that are onbard the printer. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
You're most likely going to have to live with dot matrix, especially if it’s a fuel jobber or heating oil supplier as they're not going to be willing to spend 500 on a laser and 100 on a cartridge every month or two when an dot matrix and a 20 dollar printer ribbon, plus the fact they already have their forms suppliers set up, will do them.. I worked with a lot of fuel jobbers in the late 80's and I always recommended: One copy to client One copy in client file One copy in numerical order to aid them in verifying totals at the end of the month and for sales tax, etc.. I ran across a guy about two months ago that had 4 inkjets hooked up via USB ports and he was running a water company that way. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:45 PM To: Profox Subject: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? (I'll post this in a separate thread of its own rather than clutter the other thread.) Say a client has traditionally used duplicate or triplicate forms where a field delivery person had written the number of gallons of oil delivered to a customer, and when finished filling the tank, the delivery person left one copy with the customer and gave the rest to the office staff. How do most of you handle printing in triplicate formsdo you use the good old fashioned pin printers or do you make it easier on yourself (avoiding the custom form size bullsh*t) and just print 3 copies off the laser printer? I hardly ever have to deal with pin printers anymore but I guess they're not necessarily a dying breed (in cases where duplicate/triplicate forms are needed). A simple paper spreadsheet sounds ok but won't work in the instance that you want to give the customer a copy when you leave their residence. How would you approach this need/requirement? Your comments encouraged and welcomed...thanks! --Michael -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a properly designed impact form. I know lots of people who use them on a daily basis and the outfit I am with now owns no less than 75 of them that are used every day. Many of our forms are 5 part and there is no problem. The other clincher is that OKI is making them by the bushel so there must be a market for them. Personally, I would like to use NCR paper on a laser but find it extremely difficult and wasteful to bind single sets. Does anyone know of a neat way to do that? I have not really looked for anything lately. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: You're most likely going to have to live with dot matrix, especially if it’s a fuel jobber or heating oil supplier as they're not going to be willing to spend 500 on a laser and 100 on a cartridge every month or two when an dot matrix and a 20 dollar printer ribbon, plus the fact they already have their forms suppliers set up, will do them.. I worked with a lot of fuel jobbers in the late 80's and I always recommended: One copy to client One copy in client file One copy in numerical order to aid them in verifying totals at the end of the month and for sales tax, etc.. I ran across a guy about two months ago that had 4 inkjets hooked up via USB ports and he was running a water company that way. ...andhow was that working for that guy? I'd never buy inkjets again, especially for high volume printing. I'd only use them for photo printing. Anything else, and the ink resupply costs kill you. ymmv. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
I couldn’t figure out what was wrong, so I uninstalled all the printers and reinstalled them and that fixed them. Only thing I could think was that it must have got confused somehow as I've never seen somebody run 4 at one time on one pc via USB.. He seemed to like it. Told him I would develop something where it would automatically switch to the correct printer, but his deal worked for him and he was content with it.. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:12 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it? Virgil Bierschwale wrote: You're most likely going to have to live with dot matrix, especially if it’s a fuel jobber or heating oil supplier as they're not going to be willing to spend 500 on a laser and 100 on a cartridge every month or two when an dot matrix and a 20 dollar printer ribbon, plus the fact they already have their forms suppliers set up, will do them.. I worked with a lot of fuel jobbers in the late 80's and I always recommended: One copy to client One copy in client file One copy in numerical order to aid them in verifying totals at the end of the month and for sales tax, etc.. I ran across a guy about two months ago that had 4 inkjets hooked up via USB ports and he was running a water company that way. ...andhow was that working for that guy? I'd never buy inkjets again, especially for high volume printing. I'd only use them for photo printing. Anything else, and the ink resupply costs kill you. ymmv. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I couldn’t figure out what was wrong, so I uninstalled all the printers and reinstalled them and that fixed them. Only thing I could think was that it must have got confused somehow as I've never seen somebody run 4 at one time on one pc via USB.. My General Manager is proposing to do something like this with a new bid we've won. He seemed to like it. Told him I would develop something where it would automatically switch to the correct printer, but his deal worked for him and he was content with it.. Easier to let the hardware do it if you can rather than write some code for it, imo. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Triplicate/duplicate forms need -- how do you handle it?
MB Software Solutions wrote: (I'll post this in a separate thread of its own rather than clutter the other thread.) Say a client has traditionally used duplicate or triplicate forms where a field delivery person had written the number of gallons of oil delivered to a customer, and when finished filling the tank, the delivery person left one copy with the customer and gave the rest to the office staff. How do most of you handle printing in triplicate formsdo you use the good old fashioned pin printers or do you make it easier on yourself (avoiding the custom form size bullsh*t) and just print 3 copies off the laser printer? I hardly ever have to deal with pin printers anymore but I guess they're not necessarily a dying breed (in cases where duplicate/triplicate forms are needed). A simple paper spreadsheet sounds ok but won't work in the instance that you want to give the customer a copy when you leave their residence. I'd have an impact printer do what an impact printer does very well. You are just filling in a few dashes on the form. This isn't that tough. Get an OKI Data with push and not a pull feed. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
