Re: win 8.1
The pre-release 8.1 worked fine...even better than Win7Pro. Don't know about the release candidate. Mike Copeland Original Message Subject: win 8.1 From: Allen To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 10/14/2013 4:22 PM Hi foxgang Anyone tried windows 8.1 and VFP yet. Just checking if they broke it like windows 7. Al --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525c60e0.4070...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Allen wrote: > Just checking if they broke it like > windows 7. > Huh? What did they break in Windows 7? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1381821141.899.34106605.1bf40...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
Short cut menus sometimes don't appear until mouse over. And on several machines so not just a driver. Al -Original Message- Huh? What did they break in Windows 7? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000401cec976$c867e8e0$5937baa0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
Thanks Mike It appears for upgrade in a couple of days. Looks like the start menu button is back but the horrid metro interface is called. Is that true? Al -Original Message- The pre-release 8.1 worked fine...even better than Win7Pro. Don't know about the release candidate. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000501cec977$155200f0$3ff602d0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 08:20 AM, Allen wrote: > Thanks Mike > It appears for upgrade in a couple of days. Looks like the start menu > button > is back but the horrid metro interface is called. Is that true? That's about it, yep. Well, I'm sure there's other stuff but UI wise, that's the big one along with some stuff about multiple Metro apps being open at the same time and so on. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1381822068.5295.34110597.7776e...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
Yup...although you can set up so that it boots into the standard desktop. And, there are several very affordable utilities that restore a full, complete, Win7-like start menu. Mike Copeland Original Message Subject: Re: win 8.1 From: Allen To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 10/15/2013 2:20 AM Thanks Mike It appears for upgrade in a couple of days. Looks like the start menu button is back but the horrid metro interface is called. Is that true? Al -Original Message- The pre-release 8.1 worked fine...even better than Win7Pro. Don't know about the release candidate. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525ceef5.8020...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
I tried one of those after-market menu's and it makes Linux look good. Also tried the gadget one and it was terrible. More like running a gadget exe than a sidebar. It seems like we have gone backwards. Metro is more like win 3 than win 8. Lucky for us we still have desktop and VFP still runs near perfect. Al -Original Message- Yup...although you can set up so that it boots into the standard desktop. And, there are several very affordable utilities that restore a full, complete, Win7-like start menu. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000901cec97b$fb455b30$f1d01190$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 08:55 AM, Allen wrote: > I tried one of those after-market menu's and it makes Linux look good. Seen Ubuntu recently? Whatever else you can't fault it on visuals. > Also > tried the gadget one and it was terrible. More like running a gadget exe > than a sidebar. It seems like we have gone backwards. Metro is more like > win > 3 than win 8. Metro is probably great on tablets and phones. To me it still makes zero sense on a non-touch device. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1381824221.14585.34119565.04e22...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
I use http://www.startisback.com/ it seems to be fine. -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013 6:56 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: win 8.1 I tried one of those after-market menu's and it makes Linux look good. Also tried the gadget one and it was terrible. More like running a gadget exe than a sidebar. It seems like we have gone backwards. Metro is more like win 3 than win 8. Lucky for us we still have desktop and VFP still runs near perfect. Al -Original Message- Yup...although you can set up so that it boots into the standard desktop. And, there are several very affordable utilities that restore a full, complete, Win7-like start menu. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00c001cec984$c55151b0$4ff3f510$@ozemail.com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
I believe the majority of business organizations out there are still using Win 7 with no plan of upgrading... :) On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:22 AM, Allen wrote: > Anyone tried windows 8.1 and VFP yet. Just checking if they broke it like > windows 7. -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (Linux kernel 2.6.39.3) /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAGv=MJC4jtDFbnCogQ=Lf_Q8OiOm4UY2mVXewSaLAB=diez...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
I went win 8 when it was cheap. I don't know if many did or not but it makes sense as they will anyway one day. Plus all the bad feeling about VFP now M$ has dropped it, My thoughts were if my possible clients can see the VFP app running fine on the latest o/s maybe that will sell. My feeling are VFP runs better on 8 than 7, and I plan on 8.1 as soon as it arrives (2 days I think). When 7 came out, the biggest question was will a VFP app run on it. Well there were problems, mainly due to the bloody UAC. Once that was sorted it was fine. Businesses in my line change laptops often. They travel the world so don't last. So 8 will be on (is in some cases) PC's in my game. As for 7, I think many businesses are remaining in XP. After all who needs M$ support. Most of us do well without it. Al -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: 15 October 2013 15:47 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: win 8.1 I believe the majority of business organizations out there are still using Win 7 with no plan of upgrading... :) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008b01cec9ae$d0c77c70$72567550$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
El 15/10/13 05:03, Alan Bourke escribió: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 08:55 AM, Allen wrote: I tried one of those after-market menu's and it makes Linux look good. Seen Ubuntu recently? Whatever else you can't fault it on visuals. Still in 12.04, don't like the ui (the one with the buttons on the left column, can't remember it's name). But the good thing about linux is that you can CHOOSE. So I use a Mac style dock (Cairo-dock) and I really like it. And if I didn't I could have installed KDE or any of many other interfaces. So that's the real point here, you are not stuck with something you don't like, you can always choose and tweak till you get what you want. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525d4c23.8030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 02:59 PM, Allen wrote: > > As for 7, I think many businesses are remaining in XP. After all who > needs > M$ support. > It's not direct support that's the problem - it's having machines on the internet without critical security holes being fixed. What Microsoft are patching in 7 and 8 will give clues as to what to attack in XP. It's not going to be pretty IMO. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1381846758.3361.34244909.2ca96...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
I'm not sure they are forgetting XP. I don't have it but I do have an old 2003 server and that still gets updates. But I get your point. Al -Original Message- It's not direct support that's the problem - it's having machines on the internet without critical security holes being fixed. What Microsoft are patching in 7 and 8 will give clues as to what to attack in XP. It's not going to be pretty IMO. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009901cec9b2$21a42410$64ec6c30$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
Wow, at $1 per computer that's hard to beat! Thanks Darren. Mike Copeland Original Message Subject: Re: win 8.1 From: Darren To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 10/15/2013 3:58 AM I use http://www.startisback.com/ it seems to be fine. -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013 6:56 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: win 8.1 I tried one of those after-market menu's and it makes Linux look good. Also tried the gadget one and it was terrible. More like running a gadget exe than a sidebar. It seems like we have gone backwards. Metro is more like win 3 than win 8. Lucky for us we still have desktop and VFP still runs near perfect. Al -Original Message- Yup...although you can set up so that it boots into the standard desktop. And, there are several very affordable utilities that restore a full, complete, Win7-like start menu. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525d692f.6090...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
I thought ms were committed to /critical/ updates for unsupported software, makes sense - just the cost of defending a shower of class action suits would justify it. On 15/10/2013 19:49, Alan Bourke wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 02:59 PM, Allen wrote: As for 7, I think many businesses are remaining in XP. After all who needs M$ support. It's not direct support that's the problem - it's having machines on the internet without critical security holes being fixed. What Microsoft are patching in 7 and 8 will give clues as to what to attack in XP. It's not going to be pretty IMO. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525d7370.3030...@hawthorncottage.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, AndyHC wrote: > > I thought ms were committed to /critical/ updates for unsupported > software, makes sense - just the cost of defending a shower of class action > suits would justify it. > > - > Not sure how to reply to that. Why should Windows 2000 have patches? Wouldn't it need a lot more recrafting the kernel? so patch XP, 7, 8 and when they release 9 drop XP ? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYKNHv4zZGMkx4BONdS7uT3OR6-quVmS0BE8cMM=cva...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
I'm not sure. They say they dropped XP support so maybe there is no reason why they should. I think 2003 went a while ago but I still get updates. Thinking on it, they could be .net updates and not 2003. Cheap 2010 server anyone? Maybe its time to upgrade. Al -Original Message- Not sure how to reply to that. Why should Windows 2000 have patches? Wouldn't it need a lot more recrafting the kernel? so patch XP, 7, 8 and when they release 9 drop XP ? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00ba01cec9c8$f4ff0940$defd1bc0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/14/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: The pre-release 8.1 worked fine...even better than Win7Pro. Don't know about the release candidate. How so better? I'm guessing you're referring to the funkiness of menus? or something else? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525d8d1e.7000...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/15/2013 9:59 AM, Allen wrote: After all who needs M$ support. Most of us do well without it. Al I'd bet 99% of all Windows users NEVER call Microsoft for supportEVER. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525d8e35.8050...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:49 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > On 10/15/2013 9:59 AM, Allen wrote: > >> After all who needs >> M$ support. Most of us do well without it. >> Al >> > > > I'd bet 99% of all Windows users NEVER call Microsoft for supportEVER. > --- They call a nephew or a grandkid. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyjlfnvb2jpgfmhn51eqzoxqxm8uqps5s9e84v81akg...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 05:55 PM, AndyHC wrote: > > I thought ms were committed to /critical/ updates for unsupported > software, makes sense - just the cost of defending a shower of class > action suits would justify it. Nope. They don't update Windows 2000. They don't update Windows 3.1. Canonical don't update Ubuntu beyond a couple of major versions back, IIRC. XP has been out of mainstream support for 5 years now. After 8 April, XP machines will be in a permanent state of zero-day vulnerability. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1381866971.17185.34387861.70c0d...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/15/13 12:20 AM, Allen wrote: It appears for upgrade in a couple of days. Looks like the start menu button is back but the horrid metro interface is called. Is that true? Hi, Allen I have a developer release of the real 8.1, which I just installed as an upgrade over my dual-boot Win 8. Install went very well, and I did not lose any applications. Yes, there's a start BUTTON but no MENU. I already had Start8 (menu) and ModernMix (Metro apps in a window), the upgrade preserved them, and you will definitely want them. $4.99 each from Stardock.com. I haven't seen any bugs yet, but you will definitely need to plan a lot of time for setup. There are some very nasty privacy issues around the use of Bing to target advertising. You can turn it off, but you'll need to work at it. Worst thing I've hit so far: under Privacy, went to turn off the targeted advertising. There's a video to play on how advertising is so good for you. But it's a Flash video (I thought MS didn't like Flash!), and it wanted to update my Flash Player. I said OK, and then noticed that the update included McAfee "Security Scan Plus". I un-checked it ok, but you should NOT be getting drive-by downloads from a Microsoft program!! Anyway, whether you like it or not, it works fine. Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525da2e1.7030...@san.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/15/2013 4:17 PM, Dan Covill wrote: Worst thing I've hit so far: under Privacy, went to turn off the targeted advertising. There's a video to play on how advertising is so good for you. But it's a Flash video (I thought MS didn't like Flash!), and it wanted to update my Flash Player. I said OK, and then noticed that the update included McAfee "Security Scan Plus". I un-checked it ok, but you should NOT be getting drive-by downloads from a Microsoft program!! It was APPLE who hated Flash. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525da376.1080...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
Thanks for the heads up Dan I think they are becoming as bad as google, watching everything you do. I did prefer to use Bing but now Im not so sure either of them are truthful. For example do a google search. Pick one of the top ones and the browser tells you it's going to the site, but it doesn't. It goes to googleservices first. Well it would do if I had not put a host file on. They are all frauds. I will look into Start8. It says 8.1 allows more than one metro app. Well I've not yet found a metro app worth bothering about. They are usually lesser products. Non the less I will upgrade to 8.1. If I was not so techie I might have stayed with 7. But once you get used to metro's search its easier. Looks like the start button is a joke then. Al -Original Message- Hi, Allen I have a developer release of the real 8.1, which I just installed as an upgrade over my dual-boot Win 8. Install went very well, and I did not lose any applications. Yes, there's a start BUTTON but no MENU. I already had Start8 (menu) and ModernMix (Metro apps in a window), the upgrade preserved them, and you will definitely want them. $4.99 each from Stardock.com. I haven't seen any bugs yet, but you will definitely need to plan a lot of time for setup. There are some very nasty privacy issues around the use of Bing to target advertising. You can turn it off, but you'll need to work at it. Worst thing I've hit so far: under Privacy, went to turn off the targeted advertising. There's a video to play on how advertising is so good for you. But it's a Flash video (I thought MS didn't like Flash!), and it wanted to update my Flash Player. I said OK, and then noticed that the update included McAfee "Security Scan Plus". I un-checked it ok, but you should NOT be getting drive-by downloads from a Microsoft program!! Anyway, whether you like it or not, it works fine. Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00bb01cec9e5$4ed3a4f0$ec7aeed0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:20 PM, "MB Software Solutions, LLC" wrote: > It was APPLE who hated Flash. No, it was everyone who hated Flash. It was Apple who had the market clout to say no to Flash. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/e1dc3c8a-46eb-4432-b095-9644a399d...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
Just took a look at the website and the 2 you mention are a bundle for $7.99 (about £5). Not too bad except I have quite a few PC's here. Does it license per PC? Al -Original Message- Yes, there's a start BUTTON but no MENU. I already had Start8 (menu) and ModernMix (Metro apps in a window), the upgrade preserved them, and you will definitely want them. $4.99 each from Stardock.com. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00bc01cec9e6$aa51c630$fef55290$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/15/13 01:39 PM, Allen wrote: Just took a look at the website and the 2 you mention are a bundle for $7.99 (about £5). Not too bad except I have quite a few PC's here. Does it license per PC? Yes, apparently. I have put them on four machines now, and paid each time. But well worth it. Modern Mix allows you to run Modern (i.e., Start Screen or Modern) apps in a window on the Desktop, which pretty well de-toxes most of them. Oh yes, the Store updates Metro apps automatically. But it doesn't tell you that it did so, so there's no way to know if they've changed. I turned the auto-update off. Besides, the store update is way fun to watch! Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525dabf2.8060...@san.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: win 8.1
Odd as all mine tell me there are updates when I go to the store. I don't think I have any set to just update. I just tried the StartIsBack and it loses the Metro altogether. Not exactly what I wanted. Al -Original Message- Yes, apparently. I have put them on four machines now, and paid each time. But well worth it. Modern Mix allows you to run Modern (i.e., Start Screen or Modern) apps in a window on the Desktop, which pretty well de-toxes most of them. Oh yes, the Store updates Metro apps automatically. But it doesn't tell you that it did so, so there's no way to know if they've changed. I turned the auto-update off. Besides, the store update is way fun to watch! Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00bd01cec9e9$789d9800$69d8c800$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
I did some timings on some of the slower routines in my application, and it seems to be snappier...faster...on Win 8 than on Win 7. Mike Copeland Original Message Subject: Re: win 8.1 From: MB Software Solutions, LLC To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 10/15/2013 1:44 PM On 10/14/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: The pre-release 8.1 worked fine...even better than Win7Pro. Don't know about the release candidate. How so better? I'm guessing you're referring to the funkiness of menus? or something else? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525ddcbc.4020...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
I did, once, back in the early 90's. Got hold of a guy that was an allstar in networking...we spent nearly 2 hours on the phone trying to figure out whatever the problem was, and finally did come up with a workaround (whatever it was.) I remember him laughing at the end of the call saying that when his calls were reviewed, he would be reprimanded for spending so much time on one call...but he was looking for a job when he got that one. Other than that, calling tech support ranks right up there with having the flu. Mike Copeland Original Message Subject: Re: win 8.1 From: MB Software Solutions, LLC To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 10/15/2013 1:49 PM On 10/15/2013 9:59 AM, Allen wrote: After all who needs M$ support. Most of us do well without it. Al I'd bet 99% of all Windows users NEVER call Microsoft for supportEVER. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525ddd4b.50...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
XP has been out of mainstream support for 5 years now. After 8 April, XP machines will be in a permanent state of zero-day vulnerability. The older an OS is, the less likely it is to be attacked. Malware producers are like everybody else in the computer industry; they target the latest-and-greatest. Eventually, the stuff aimed at older OSes drops out of circulation, Meanwhile the new ones keep getting hit harder and harder. My problem with XP seems to be cruft. People who constantly update the OS don't notice this perhaps. But go 6 months between applications of critical updates to XP and you will immediately notice the loss of performance. I have XP running on machines with 2.6 GHz processors and 2 GB of RAM, and are only 3 years old, and they are so slow they are approaching unusable. (And yes, they are clean; have passed Spybot, MalwareBytes, and Avast! full scans with flying colors, and have been defragged.) I don't notice Win 7 slowing down nearly as much after updates. The one thing I'm seeing a lot of with updated Win 7 is delays when switching between users. These days the screen has time to go dark and display the "no input" message during the switch. That never used to happen. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20131015202957.01b42...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
Worst thing I've hit so far: under Privacy, went to turn off the targeted advertising. There's a video to play on how advertising is so good for you. But it's a Flash video (I thought MS didn't like Flash!), and it wanted to update my Flash Player. I said OK, and then noticed that the update included McAfee "Security Scan Plus". I un-checked it ok, but you should NOT be getting drive-by downloads from a Microsoft program!! It's an Adobe thing. If you go to the Adobe site to install or update Flash, you are offered either McAfee Security Scan Plus, or the option of downloading and installing Chrome as your default browser. (Which option you get depends on whether you are using IE or Firefox at the time.) If you don't uncheck the bundling option, then you get stuck with one of them. And by the way, I NEVER press a button that says "You need to upgrade XYZ plugin to [do anything]". There are all kinds of fake links out there. I only update Flash by going to the adobe website and downloading it from there. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20131015203741.01b02...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/15/2013 8:26 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: I remember him laughing at the end of the call saying that when his calls were reviewed, he would be reprimanded for spending so much time on one call...but he was looking for a job when he got that one. LOL! -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525e0417.40...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/15/2013 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: The older an OS is, the less likely it is to be attacked. Malware producers are like everybody else in the computer industry; they target the latest-and-greatest. Eventually, the stuff aimed at older OSes drops out of circulation, Meanwhile the new ones keep getting hit harder and harder. Yes, but virus writers who hate M$ know that there will be a huge number of XP installations vulnerable, and that's the reason they'll still love to exploit XP users. My problem with XP seems to be cruft. People who constantly update the OS don't notice this perhaps. But go 6 months between applications of critical updates to XP and you will immediately notice the loss of performance. I have XP running on machines with 2.6 GHz processors and 2 GB of RAM, and are only 3 years old, and they are so slow they are approaching unusable. (And yes, they are clean; have passed Spybot, MalwareBytes, and Avast! full scans with flying colors, and have been defragged.) I don't notice Win 7 slowing down nearly as much after updates. The one thing I'm seeing a lot of with updated Win 7 is delays when switching between users. These days the screen has time to go dark and display the "no input" message during the switch. That never used to happen. Yeah but your Win 7 machine---is it 64-bit? Your XP is 32-bit. 64-bit should be faster, right? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525e0561.8090...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
you must be joking Kind regards Andrew Stirling 01250 874580 supp...@calcpay.co.uk http://www.calcpay.co.uk HMRC Accredited since 12/01/2004 On 16/10/2013 01:37, Ken Dibble wrote: The older an OS is, the less likely it is to be attacked. Malware producers are like everybody else in the computer industry; they target the latest-and-greatest. Eventually, the stuff aimed at older OSes drops out of circulation, Meanwhile the new ones keep getting hit harder and harder. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525e1505.8010...@calcpay.co.uk ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Andrew Stirling wrote: > you must be joking > --- Have to agree with you. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYLY1EUDw3M-W6-xvzsNdD=NNc=1cwkhg1o0-19tp9v...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
>>The older an OS is, the less likely it is to be attacked. Malware >>producers are like everybody else in the computer industry; they target >>the latest-and-greatest. Eventually, the stuff aimed at older OSes drops >>out of circulation, Meanwhile the new ones keep getting hit harder and >>harder. you must be joking Please note that I am not disagreeing that XP is probably a more-vulnerable OS than, say Win 7. What I am saying is that most new malware does not target XP, it targets newer OSes. By far, most new malware today is aimed at mobile OSes, with Android being the leader. (And as I understand it, Android is a Unix/Linux variant. So much for the vaunted superior safety of those OSes.) Desktop and server OSes, by comparison, are far behind as targets for new malware. Beyond that, it's difficult to find statistical data. But consider: how many DOS viruses do you think are being propagated today? How many designed for Win 98? You may laugh, but people are still using both of those OSes, and I'd venture to guess that nobody is writing new malware for them. If they are patched to the max they are, today, unlikely to be vulnerable to much of anything. This will eventually be true for XP. Long before people stop using it, people will stop writing malware for it. Sometime after that, malware designed for it will cease to circulate. At that point, it will be safe. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20131016094511.01d6e...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: > What I am saying is that most new malware does not target XP, it targets > newer OSes. > > By far, most new malware today is aimed at mobile OSes, with Android being > the leader. > > Ken: I find your claims hard to believe. Can you cite any references for these? -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cacw6n4sdqxexteg9qwk6qkctevdl1pjd5raavh0wcyu3dob...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
> What I am saying is that most new malware does not target XP, it targets > newer OSes. > > By far, most new malware today is aimed at mobile OSes, with Android being > the leader. I find your claims hard to believe. Can you cite any references for these? I did a Google search on the following phrase: new malware targets by operating system I got zillions of articles, many in respected publications, supporting the notion that most new malware is aimed at Android. The language in many of those articles don't make a distinction between "mobile" and other OSes; they say simply that most new malware, by a large margin, is aimed at mobile OSes, with Android being in the lead. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20131016100322.01d84...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
On 10/16/2013 9:52 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: This will eventually be true for XP. Long before people stop using it, people will stop writing malware for it. Sometime after that, malware designed for it will cease to circulate. At that point, it will be safe. I don't know, but the M$ haters out there (who write virus/malware software exploits) probably still see XP as a huge target for which they can hurt M$'s credibility. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/525e9e1e.1010...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: win 8.1
The older an OS is, the less likely it is to be attacked. Malware producers are like everybody else in the computer industry; they target the latest-and-greatest. Eventually, the stuff aimed at older OSes drops out of circulation, Meanwhile the new ones keep getting hit harder and harder. Yes, but virus writers who hate M$ know that there will be a huge number of XP installations vulnerable, and that's the reason they'll still love to exploit XP users. I don't think it's that they "hate" anything. Increasingly, this stuff is produced by organized crime rings, rogue governments, and terrorists. This is no longer script-kiddie stuff. They go where the money is, and where the distribution is. Both of those factors favor newer OSes. My problem with XP seems to be cruft. People who constantly update the OS don't notice this perhaps. But go 6 months between applications of critical updates to XP and you will immediately notice the loss of performance. I have XP running on machines with 2.6 GHz processors and 2 GB of RAM, and are only 3 years old, and they are so slow they are approaching unusable. (And yes, they are clean; have passed Spybot, MalwareBytes, and Avast! full scans with flying colors, and have been defragged.) I don't notice Win 7 slowing down nearly as much after updates. The one thing I'm seeing a lot of with updated Win 7 is delays when switching between users. These days the screen has time to go dark and display the "no input" message during the switch. That never used to happen. Yeah but your Win 7 machine---is it 64-bit? Your XP is 32-bit. 64-bit should be faster, right? No, 32 bit, all of them. I'm dealing with about 90 machines at this point, about half XP, half Win 7. So this is my aggregate experience. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20131016105040.01d80...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
