Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-16 Thread Alan Bourke
http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/windev/sourcesafe.html
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Re: Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-16 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/16/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/windev/sourcesafe.html
> --

Old post. I understand "Team Studio" has *finally* addressed some of
these issues, and that MSFT is forcing their internal developers to
eat their own dog food, unlike the mistreatment they gave SourceSafe.
VSS was a decent little system, (low resource demands, UNIX/Mac/DOS)
with some darn clever design, but never fostered at MS they way they
did with VFP.

Burning the barn after the horses got out.

Subversion rocks!

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Re: Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-17 Thread Paul Hill
On 2/16/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/16/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/windev/sourcesafe.html
> > --
>
> Old post. I understand "Team Studio" has *finally* addressed some of
> these issues, and that MSFT is forcing their internal developers to
> eat their own dog food, unlike the mistreatment they gave SourceSafe.
> VSS was a decent little system, (low resource demands, UNIX/Mac/DOS)
> with some darn clever design, but never fostered at MS they way they
> did with VFP.

Something that really annoys me about SourceSafe:

I made a small EXE for comparing 2 DBFs.  All it does is opens the 2
files, LISTs them to 2 text files and runs Windiff.  Works great.  I
can view the history of a DBF and quickly see what has changed between
versions.

However this works for *.DBF but not *.dbf! (or vice-versa, depending
what I put in the config).  I can't create 2 file associations because
the config won't allow duplicates.

Arrgh!

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Re: Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-17 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/17/07, Paul Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Something that really annoys me about SourceSafe:
>

Lots of things annoy me about SourceSafe. That's why I wrote the book,
did a dozen presentations, and wrote several white papers.

> I made a small EXE for comparing 2 DBFs.  All it does is opens the 2
> files, LISTs them to 2 text files and runs Windiff.

It's not clear to me what this has to do with SourceSafe. Are you
talking about Windiff the commercial product or the diffing functions
of SourceSafe?

> Works great.  I
> can view the history of a DBF and quickly see what has changed between
> versions.

So, you're checking in text versions of DBFs into SourceSafe?

That's the technique the FoxPro integration uses for versioning SCX,
VCX, MNX, etc files.

> However this works for *.DBF but not *.dbf! (or vice-versa, depending
> what I put in the config).  I can't create 2 file associations because
> the config won't allow duplicates.

I'm not sure what you're doing with file associations? Which config
file? Sounds like a problem with case-sensitive processing on a
case-insensitive OS, a real Windows bugaboo.

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Re: Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul Hill
On 2/17/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/17/07, Paul Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Something that really annoys me about SourceSafe:
> >
>
> Lots of things annoy me about SourceSafe. That's why I wrote the book,
> did a dozen presentations, and wrote several white papers.
>
> > I made a small EXE for comparing 2 DBFs.  All it does is opens the 2
> > files, LISTs them to 2 text files and runs Windiff.
>
> It's not clear to me what this has to do with SourceSafe. Are you
> talking about Windiff the commercial product or the diffing functions
> of SourceSafe?

Windiff is external.  It's the one that came with Visual Studio 6 IIRC
but you can download it for free here:
http://www.grigsoft.com/download-windiff.htm

> > Works great.  I
> > can view the history of a DBF and quickly see what has changed between
> > versions.
>
> So, you're checking in text versions of DBFs into SourceSafe?

No, binaries.  These are system files that rarely change.

> > However this works for *.DBF but not *.dbf! (or vice-versa, depending
> > what I put in the config).  I can't create 2 file associations because
> > the config won't allow duplicates.
>
> I'm not sure what you're doing with file associations? Which config
> file? Sounds like a problem with case-sensitive processing on a
> case-insensitive OS, a real Windows bugaboo.

In VSS you can tell it what viewer & diff program to use for different
filetypes.
e.g. for *.DBF the viewer is vfp9.exe

However, VSS is case sensative over the extensions!  So for *.dbf it won't work!

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Re: Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-18 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/18/07, Paul Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/17/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > So, you're checking in text versions of DBFs into SourceSafe?
>
> No, binaries.  These are system files that rarely change.
>

Perhaps you might reconsider. A text file (for example, the ones
generated by GenDBC) could store a creation script in VSS that would
be easily diff'ed.

> In VSS you can tell it what viewer & diff program to use for different
> filetypes.
> e.g. for *.DBF the viewer is vfp9.exe
>
> However, VSS is case sensative over the extensions!  So for *.dbf it won't 
> work!
>

Are you using the GUI to set these associations, or editing the config
file directly? It's possible the GUI won't let you enter it, but you
could add it to the config directly and it might work.

I haven't run into this issue before.

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Re: Still want to use SourceSafe?

2007-02-18 Thread Garrett Fitzgerald
On 2/18/07, Paul Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It's not clear to me what this has to do with SourceSafe. Are you
> > talking about Windiff the commercial product or the diffing functions
> > of SourceSafe?
>
> Windiff is external.  It's the one that came with Visual Studio 6 IIRC
> but you can download it for free here:
> http://www.grigsoft.com/download-windiff.htm


I'm partial to ExamDiff myself --
http://www.prestosoft.com/ps.asp?page=edp_examdiff

Lately, though, I've just needed the diff functionality that comes with
TortoiseSVN, the Subversion client you can download from
http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ (as long as we're on the subject of Source
Control :-) ).


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