RE: SMTP error

2007-11-07 Thread Allen
could it be a firewall problem, 25 not passed through ?
Can they use outlook for example on the same account. Also check the port in
case its not 25.
Allen 

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Subject: RE: SMTP error

The OCX is set up exactly the same as on my machine except that the SMTP
server value used is the one from their email account (I can't remember what
it is.)  The code works fine on my machine.

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-07 Thread John Weller
Progress Report g

The client uses Outlook which appears to be working fine.  I tried to Telnet
into Paul's mail server and was successful which suggests that port 25 is
not being blocked.  I then ran Blat from the command line successfully so my
next step is to incorporate Blat into the app and try again.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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 could it be a firewall problem, 25 not passed through ?
 Can they use outlook for example on the same account. Also check
 the port in
 case its not 25.
 Allen



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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-07 Thread Peter Cushing
John Weller wrote:
 This reveals my total lack of knowledge in this area g.  What is Telnet?
 (I have heard of it but never used it).
   
Have a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet

Just been reading about it and learned a lot.

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-07 Thread John Weller
LOL

Some of my replies are coming out of sequence.  I sent that before I had
Paul's reply.

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 Its an earlier version of dotnet but worked :)
 Allen




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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-07 Thread Allen
Its an earlier version of dotnet but worked :)
Allen 

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This reveals my total lack of knowledge in this area g.  What is Telnet?
(I have heard of it but never used it).

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-07 Thread John Weller
This reveals my total lack of knowledge in this area g.  What is Telnet?
(I have heard of it but never used it).

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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 Sent: 06 November 2007 18:11
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 Subject: re: SMTP error


 Another troubleshooting option is to simply use telnet to connect to port
 25 on the mail server.  I like this approach because telnet is
 universally available, gives the user complete control, and requires no
 configuration.




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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Peter Cushing
John Weller wrote:
 I recently asked for advice on Automating Emails and, as a result, decided
 to use Essmtp.ocx.  It works like a charm on my development machine but when
 I take it to my client I get an error 213 when I try to send mail.  I can't
 find any trace of what that error message means.  My development system is
 very similar to my client's, they are both four machines on a peer-to-peer
 network sharing internet access through a Netgear router.  The main
 difference is the ISP, I am with PlusNet and my client is with BT.  Any
 suggestions gratefully received.  (I really don't want to have to go back to
 MAPI g).

   
I'm not sure how this OCX is set up or what it uses for parameters etc.  
Maybe you could show some code.
Is the ocx trying to send using an account that does not exist at the 
client?  Maybe the mail server details are wrong?
What mail server are they using?

Peter



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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Erickson
is the ISP blocking port 25 to the smtp server.  I know that comcast 
does that.

John Weller wrote:
 I recently asked for advice on Automating Emails and, as a result, decided
 to use Essmtp.ocx.  It works like a charm on my development machine but when
 I take it to my client I get an error 213 when I try to send mail.  I can't
 find any trace of what that error message means.  My development system is
 very similar to my client's, they are both four machines on a peer-to-peer
 network sharing internet access through a Netgear router.  The main
 difference is the ISP, I am with PlusNet and my client is with BT.  Any
 suggestions gratefully received.  (I really don't want to have to go back to
 MAPI g).
 
 TIA
 
 John Weller
 01380 723235
 07976 393631
 
 
 
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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 11/6/07, John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On your next visit to the client, bring along a copy of BLAT.exe and
the docs. Set up BLAT on one of the machines in accordance with the
docs. Try running BLAT from the command intepreter and see what error
messages results.  Use the debugging tools (-debug -log)  it gives you
to capture all of the interactions for a session. I usually find that
there is a password authentication scheme that requires a particular
sequence of logging in, and many ISP's mail servers are set up
uniquely in this respect.

And sometimes the clients have just given me the wrong username and password!

-- 
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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
John Weller wrote:
 I recently asked for advice on Automating Emails and, as a result, decided
 to use Essmtp.ocx.  It works like a charm on my development machine but when
 I take it to my client I get an error 213 when I try to send mail.  I can't
 find any trace of what that error message means.  My development system is
 very similar to my client's, they are both four machines on a peer-to-peer
 network sharing internet access through a Netgear router.  The main
 difference is the ISP, I am with PlusNet and my client is with BT.  Any
 suggestions gratefully received.  (I really don't want to have to go back to
 MAPI g).
   

And BLAT isn't an option for you?

-- 
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
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http://fabmate.com
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re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Joe Yoder
Another troubleshooting option is to simply use telnet to connect to port 
25 on the mail server.  I like this approach because telnet is 
universally available, gives the user complete control, and requires no 
configuration.

Joe Yoder

On Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:03 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:03:37 -0500
From: Ted Roche
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SMTP error

On 11/6/07, John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On your next visit to the client, bring along a copy of BLAT.exe and
the docs. Set up BLAT on one of the machines in accordance with the
docs. Try running BLAT from the command intepreter and see what error
messages results.  Use the debugging tools (-debug -log)  it gives you
to capture all of the interactions for a session. I usually find that
there is a password authentication scheme that requires a particular
sequence of logging in, and many ISP's mail servers are set up
uniquely in this respect.

And sometimes the clients have just given me the wrong username and password!

--
Ted Roche
Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Allen
Blat is pop3 only isnt it ?
Allen 

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On your next visit to the client, bring along a copy of BLAT.exe and the
docs. Set up BLAT on one of the machines in accordance with the docs. Try
running BLAT from the command intepreter and see what error messages
results.  Use the debugging tools (-debug -log)  it gives you to capture all
of the interactions for a session. I usually find that there is a password
authentication scheme that requires a particular sequence of logging in, and
many ISP's mail servers are set up uniquely in this respect.

And sometimes the clients have just given me the wrong username and
password!

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Allen
silly me of course its not :)
Allen 

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Blat is pop3 only isnt it ?
Allen 

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Allen
I have had some issues using a pocketpc with SMTP. What was wrong there was
it is an authorised SMTP and sometimes it just allows you to use the same as
pop3 for logging on and other times it may require the username and password
to be put in. Try combinations of no password / normal password and setting
the password. Just a thought

Allen

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Subject: Re: SMTP error

is the ISP blocking port 25 to the smtp server.  I know that comcast does
that.

John Weller wrote:
 I recently asked for advice on Automating Emails and, as a result, 
 decided to use Essmtp.ocx.  It works like a charm on my development 
 machine but when I take it to my client I get an error 213 when I try 
 to send mail.  I can't find any trace of what that error message 
 means.  My development system is very similar to my client's, they are 
 both four machines on a peer-to-peer network sharing internet access 
 through a Netgear router.  The main difference is the ISP, I am with 
 PlusNet and my client is with BT.  Any suggestions gratefully 
 received.  (I really don't want to have to go back to MAPI g).
 

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread John Weller
Thanks - I'll check with the ISP in the morning.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631 

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 Subject: Re: SMTP error
 
 
 is the ISP blocking port 25 to the smtp server.  I know that comcast 
 does that.
 




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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Paul McNett
John Weller wrote:

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 Sent: 06 November 2007 16:49
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: SMTP error
 
 is the ISP blocking port 25 to the smtp server.  I know that comcast 
 does that.

  Thanks - I'll check with the ISP in the morning.

Don't bother calling the isp and wasting your time until you've found 
out if the isp is indeed blocking port 25. Find out by opening a command 
window and issuing:


c:\telnet mail.paulmcnett.com 25
Connecting to mail.paulmcnett.com...Could not open connection to the 
host, on port 25: Connect failed


Okay, so my ISP (ATT DSL) is blocking port 25. Actually, it could be 
one of my firewalls but I happen to know that isn't the case.[1] Point 
being, I can't get out onto the internet on port 25 (smtp).

If I had gotten out, I'd have seen:


c:\telnet mail.paulmcnett.com 25
Connecting to mail.paulmcnett.com...
220 mail.paulmcnett.com ESMTP Postfix


If you find that your isp does block port 25, your options include 
setting up a relay smtp server. I've set one up for my use, that listens 
on port 8025 (try telnetting to mail.paulmcnett.com 8025). This allows 
certain clients of mine behind restrictive isp's to still have 
mailservers in-house that relay over 8025 to my server that actually 
sends the mail.


[1] If I didn't know that was the case, I'd bring my laptop over to the 
dsl router, and plug it in directly, and then I'd go to my OS's firewall 
and temporarily disable it, and try the telnet test again.

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread John Weller
Thanks to all that responded.

Ted - I'll try BLAT.  I selected Essmtp because it seemed straightforward
and worked really well on my machine.  I know the username and password are
correct - I set them up!  Thinking about that though - I don't set a
password or username anywhere, either on their machine or mine.  I'm using
code cribbed from Alan Bourke which was in turn cribbed from Craig Boyd's
blog.  Alan's code refers to a domain setting in the comments but it is not
set anywhere in live code.  Craig's code doesn't mention it at all and
neither have any form of username or password.  I modified Alan's code to
put my own values in it and it ran straight off.  The from address was my
domain which uses a forwarding service, it is not my actual email address.
All very odd.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche
 Sent: 06 November 2007 17:04
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: SMTP error


 On 11/6/07, John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On your next visit to the client, bring along a copy of BLAT.exe and
 the docs. Set up BLAT on one of the machines in accordance with the
 docs. Try running BLAT from the command intepreter and see what error
 messages results.  Use the debugging tools (-debug -log)  it gives you
 to capture all of the interactions for a session. I usually find that
 there is a password authentication scheme that requires a particular
 sequence of logging in, and many ISP's mail servers are set up
 uniquely in this respect.

 And sometimes the clients have just given me the wrong username
 and password!




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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread John Weller
Thanks Paul, just what I need.  As I said earlier I've never used Telnet
other than copying a command line without understanding what I was doing.
I'll try that tomorrow.  Funnily enough - I got straight in with telnet
mail.paulmcnett.com 25.

Once again - ProFox rocks!

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


 Don't bother calling the isp and wasting your time until you've found
 out if the isp is indeed blocking port 25. Find out by opening a command
 window and issuing:

 
 c:\telnet mail.paulmcnett.com 25
 Connecting to mail.paulmcnett.com...Could not open connection to the
 host, on port 25: Connect failed
 

 Okay, so my ISP (ATT DSL) is blocking port 25. Actually, it could be
 one of my firewalls but I happen to know that isn't the case.[1] Point
 being, I can't get out onto the internet on port 25 (smtp).

 If I had gotten out, I'd have seen:

 
 c:\telnet mail.paulmcnett.com 25
 Connecting to mail.paulmcnett.com...
 220 mail.paulmcnett.com ESMTP Postfix
 

 If you find that your isp does block port 25, your options include
 setting up a relay smtp server. I've set one up for my use, that listens
 on port 8025 (try telnetting to mail.paulmcnett.com 8025). This allows
 certain clients of mine behind restrictive isp's to still have
 mailservers in-house that relay over 8025 to my server that actually
 sends the mail.



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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Paul McNett
John Weller wrote:

 Thanks Paul, just what I need.  As I said earlier I've never used Telnet
 other than copying a command line without understanding what I was doing.
 I'll try that tomorrow.  Funnily enough - I got straight in with telnet
 mail.paulmcnett.com 25.

...which means your isp isn't blocking your port 25...

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RE: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread John Weller
The OCX is set up exactly the same as on my machine except that the SMTP
server value used is the one from their email account (I can't remember what
it is.)  The code works fine on my machine.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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 Subject: Re: SMTP error


 John Weller wrote:
  I recently asked for advice on Automating Emails and, as a
 result, decided
  to use Essmtp.ocx.  It works like a charm on my development
 machine but when
  I take it to my client I get an error 213 when I try to send
 mail.  I can't
  find any trace of what that error message means.  My
 development system is
  very similar to my client's, they are both four machines on a
 peer-to-peer
  network sharing internet access through a Netgear router.  The main
  difference is the ISP, I am with PlusNet and my client is with BT.  Any
  suggestions gratefully received.  (I really don't want to have
 to go back to
  MAPI g).
 
 
 I'm not sure how this OCX is set up or what it uses for parameters etc.
 Maybe you could show some code.
 Is the ocx trying to send using an account that does not exist at the
 client?  Maybe the mail server details are wrong?
 What mail server are they using?

 Peter



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Re: SMTP error

2007-11-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 11/6/07, John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The code works fine on my machine.

No more famous last words were ever spoken :)

Between the machine trying to send email and the destination there's
an array of challenges lined up to face you.

1. Ping the mail server, usually smtp.yourisp.net or mail.yourisp.net
and confirm you can resolve the name and reach the IP address.

2. telnet smtp.yourisp.net 25

will tell you if it answers on the standard ports.

3. Then you can configure BLAT to that server and see what it can find.



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