date:20110208

berarti memang anda tidak bisa menjawab pertanyaan saya.

saya tidak perlu membalas email anda lagi, para pembaca sudah jauh
lebih mengerti tentang kualitas diskusi anda yang sering oot dan
sering tidak memakai otak.



On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 ..otak seperti anda memang mesti muter2 dulu baru diajak kembali ke
 pertanyaan semula.

 Dasar Otak @David_Silalahi. nT nih culun, banget malah.


 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@...
 wrote:

 nah, kalo gitu tunjukkan cara berpikir anda dengan menjawab pertanyaan
 saya:

 apakah anda tidak menerima HAM?





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[proletar] :Hot Girl Steals Christmas Presents - VIDEO

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik Janki Khanna

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Re: [proletar] Makin kuno Kitab makin asli

makin kuno kitab maka makin banyak penafsirnya, itu yang paling bener.

lengkapnya ada disini:

http://www.messianic-indonesia.com/artikel_detil.php?id=071102051909


On 2/8/11, Tawangalun tawanga...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Makin kuno Kitab makin asli

 Berhubung tole Ivan ini sependapat dg saya bahwa makin kuno Kitab makin
 asli,malah menyebut nyebut soal naskah Laut mati,maka ini saya suguhkan
 perihal
 yg dimaksud.

 Apakah benar Yesus pernah menikah, sebelum kita bahas mari kita lihat
 Alqur'an:
 Qs.[13.38] Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah mengutus beberapa Rasul
 sebelum
 kamu dan Kami memberikan kepada mereka istri-istri dan keturunan. Dan
 tidak ada hak bagi seorang Rasul mendatangkan sesuatu ayat (mukjizat)
 melainkan dengan izin Allah.Bagi tiap-tiap masa ada Kitab (yang
 tertentu).

 Berdasarkan Ayat ini jelas bahwa setiap nabi mempunyai Istri, dan
 tidak menutup kemungkinan Yesus juga memiliki Istri. Tetapi oleh
 gereja hal ini ditutup-tutupi. Apakah benar informasi Alqur'an ini
 mari kita bahas.

 Yang pertama mati kita lihat pendapat para pakar sejahrawan dan pakar
 Theologi dan Alkitab Yang bernama Prof Dr Barbara Theiring berasal
 dari Sidney Australia yang mendalami Naskah Laut Mati yaitu Naskah
 tertua injil tertua yang ditemukan di laut mati, beliau memelajari
 selama 20 Th dan akhirnya terciptalah buku Jesus The Man, kemudian
 menghubungkan dengan ayat bible (injil) dan menemukan bahwa ternyata
 Nabi Isa itu bukan hanya menikah tapi Beliau juga Berpoligami. Dalam
 buku Jesus The Man dijelaskan bahwa upacara-upacara pernikahan Yesus
 ini berusaha dikaburkan oleh gereja.
 Untuk lebih jelasnya silahkan baca Injil markus 14 :3: ...Datanglah
 seorang membawa suatu buli-buli pualam berisi minyak murni yang mahal
 harganya. Setelah dipecahkannya leher buli-buli itu, dicurahkan
 minyak
 itu ke atas kepala Yesus.
 Silahkan baca lagi injil Lukas 7:37-38: (maria magdalena membawa
 buli-buli pualam berisi minyak wangi) sambil menangis ia pergi
 berdiri
 dibelakang Yesus dekat kakinya, lalu membasahi kakinya itu dengan air




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Re: [proletar] 5 Motor di Gereja Bethel 3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius Temanggung Dibakar

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik a . widura

Kalo kasus ahmadiah, bilangnya kenapa ngga bikin agama yg beda supaya ngga 
diributin...lha kalo ini, agamanya udah beda tapi tetep aja diributin 
juga...ribut teruss...kapan majunya ??...
-Original Message-
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:23:18 
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Subject: [proletar] 5 Motor di Gereja Bethel  3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius 
Temanggung Dibakar

2 gereja sudah dibakar.

makin terbukti bahwa pemerintahan presiden esbeye itu tukang bohong.
persoalan keagamaan hingga hari ini bukan makin damai tapi makin
mencekam..

5 Motor di Gereja Bethel  3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius Temanggung Dibakar
Parwito - detikNews

http://www.detiknews.com/read/2011/02/08/132315/1562480/10/5-motor-di-gereja-bethel-3-mobil-di-gereja-kanisius-temanggung-dibakar

Jakarta - Massa yang mengamuk di depan PN Temanggung, Jawa Tengah
semakin bengis. Tak cuma membakar mobil Dalmas di depan pengadilan, 3
gereja pun diserang. Sejumlah kendaraan yang terparkir di gereja
tersebut dibakar.

3 Gereja yang diserang yakni Gereja Bethel Indonesia Jl Soepeno,
Gereja Kristen Protestan Kanisius, dan Gereja Katolik Temanggung.

Di Gereja Bethel, massa membakar 5 motor dan pos satpam. Pintu gereja
juga ikut dijebol. Kantin gereja, kantor serta sekolah Kristen
Shekinah yang berada di halaman gereja dirusak.

Seorang satpam Gereja Bethel, Heru mengatakan, sekitar pukul 10.30
WIB, tiba-tiba ada segerombolan orang datang dan menyerang gereja.
Massa melempari gereja dengan batu dan balok-balok kayu. Sontak Heru
dan sejumlah guru di sekolah menyelamatkan diri dari serangan batu
massa.

Saat itu saya sedang berada di dalam pos satpam. Tiba-tiba
segerombolan massa datang dan melempari batu. Saya lari mengamankan
diri, begitu juga dengan guru-guru di sini, ujar Heru.

Tak puas dengan melempari batu, massa kemudian membakar pos satpam dan
5 motor yang tengah di parkir di halaman gereja. Setelah itu massa pun
pergi.

Massa lalu menyerang Gereja Kanisius. Di gereja ini, massa membakar 3
mobil. Kemudian massa beralih ke Gereja Katolik. Di Gereja Katolik,
massa melempari gereja dan menjebol pintu masuk.

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[proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik Wong

Saya rasa pertanyaan seperti ini tidak akan bisa dijawab oleh nDeboost, sebab 
kapasitas otaknya saya rasa terlalu kecil sehingga tidak cukup untuk memikirkan 
masalah HAM, sehingga tidak mungkin juga untuk diajak berfikir serius, yang 
bisa beliau lakukan hanyalah ngeyel wa ngeyel bin ngeyel.

Pertanyaan apakah anda menerima HAM?, bagi kebanyakan orang adalah pertanyaan 
yang simple dan mudah jawabnya, Ya saya menerima HAM, atau TIDAK saya tidak 
menerima HAM, ini sudah cukup.

Tapi bagi nDebbost tidak demikian, karena tidak punya kemampuan menalar dengan 
baik, maka pertanyaan sederhana sekali seperti itu menjadi complicated, maka 
beliaupun tidak bisa menjawab.

Apakah pandangan saya yang keliru? saya rasa tidak, sebab sampai kapanpun 
nDeboost tidak mampu memberi jawaban, kita lihat saja


Rahayu
 


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@... wrote:

 jelasnya apakah anda berdua tidak menerima HAM ?
 
 
 On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote:
  Jelasnya?
  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
  wrote:
 
  jadi ternyata anda berdua memang tidak menerima HAM ?
 
  On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
   HAM utk yg tangannya diatas atau yg sponsornya kuat, Pak. Seingat
   nDeboost ga pernah baca,  komentar dari jago-jago HAM di forum ini
   mengenai jutaan bayi yang di RRC (atau di India) dimusnahkan atau
  dibuat
   sup. Atau di dornya koruptor disana. Namun saat nDeboost memaparkan
   imajinasi yang mirip namun di Indonesia katanya nDeboost haus darah.
   Hukum syariah bla bla bla .
  
   Yah yah yah 







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Re: [proletar] 5 Motor di Gereja Bethel 3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius Temanggung Dibakar

yang suka bikin ribut itu apa perlu disuruh bikin agama baru juga?

On 2/8/11, a.wid...@gmail.com a.wid...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kalo kasus ahmadiah, bilangnya kenapa ngga bikin agama yg beda supaya ngga
 diributin...lha kalo ini, agamanya udah beda tapi tetep aja diributin
 juga...ribut teruss...kapan majunya ??...
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 From: David Silalahi davidfr76...@gmail.com
 Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:23:18
 Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [proletar] 5 Motor di Gereja Bethel  3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius
 Temanggung Dibakar

 2 gereja sudah dibakar.

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[proletar] Menkum HAM Bilang Bukan Pelanggaran HAM

Menkum HAM Bilang Bukan Pelanggaran HAM

Patrialis Akbar dari Muhammadiah yang menjadi Menkum HAM mewakili PAN 
menyatakan bahwa penjagalan umat Islam Ahmadiah ini bukanlah pelanggaran HAM.

Menurut Menkum HAM, jangan ter-buru2 penyerangan ini dianggap sebagai 
pelanggaran HAM. Padahal menurutnya yang melanggar HAM itu justru para korban2 
ini yang melanggar SKB tiga menteri.

Padahal SKB tiga menteri adalah ilegal inkonstitutional karena pembubaran dan 
pelarangan agama harusnya melalui pengadilan dan melalui keputusan pengadilan 
bukan melalui SKB tiga menteri.

Jadi dengan pernyataan Menkum HAM ini keadaan menjadi jelas, bahwa motor 
penjagalan umat Islam Ahmadiah ini adalah pemerintah RI sendiri.

Komisi pengawas kehidupan beragama di Amerika mendesak RI untuk menghapuskan UU 
penistaan agama yang kenyataannya menista agama minoritas dan mempropagandakan 
agama mayoritas.  UU inilah yang menurut ketua komisi pengawas Amerika ini 
sebagai sumber penyebab segala kericuhan kehidupan beragama.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.








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[proletar] Kesenjangan Ekonomi Semakin Lebar


Catatan:
menurutku inilah akar segala masalah, yaitu kemiskinan
agama hanyalah alat pendorongnya saja, tapi root cause kekerasan itu ada di 
ekonomi/kemiskinan

==
JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Perekonomian Indonesia pada 2010 tumbuh 6,1 persen, 
melampaui target 5,8 persen. Nilai produk domestik bruto naik dari Rp 5.603,9 
triliun pada 2009 menjadi Rp 6.422,9 triliun tahun lalu. Namun, pertumbuhan 
ekonomi ini menimbulkan kesenjangan di masyarakat.

Pengamat ekonomi Yanuar Rizky di Jakarta, Senin (7/2/2011), mengatakan, 
kelompok masyarakat yang sangat kaya masih menjadi penyokong utama pertumbuhan 
ekonomi melalui konsumsi rumah tangga mereka.

Sementara sektor industri berorientasi penciptaan nilai tambah penyerap 
lapangan kerja, yang menjadi salah satu indikator kesuksesan pertumbuhan 
ekonomi, justru kian melemah.

Kepala Badan Pusat Statistik (BPS) Rusman Heriawan mengumumkan, pertumbuhan 
ekonomi pada 2010 dengan nilai produk domestik bruto (PDB) Rp 6.422,9 triliun 
dan pendapatan per kapita mencapai Rp 27 juta per tahun.

Jumlah ini didapat dari membagi Rp 6.422,9 triliun dengan 237,6 juta penduduk 
Indonesia.

Rusman menjelaskan, konsumsi rumah tangga menyumbang kue pertumbuhan terbesar, 
yakni 56,7 persen, disusul investasi 32,2 persen. Idealnya, konsumsi rumah 
tangga terus menurun hingga di bawah 50 persen, seperti yang terjadi di 
negara-negara maju.

Pertumbuhan PDB pun kemudian didukung oleh ekspansi investasi, terutama untuk 
industri manufaktur yang menciptakan lapangan kerja.

Meski demikian, komposisi investasi yang sudah melebihi 30 persen dari PDB 
telah menunjukkan ada sirkulasi yang bermanfaat bagi perekonomian jangka 
panjang.

Pertumbuhan ekonomi pada 2010 telah menciptakan lapangan kerja baru sebanyak 
3,34 juta orang. Dengan demikian, menurut Rusman, setiap 1 persen pertumbuhan 
ekonomi pada 2010 mampu menciptakan lapangan kerja baru bagi 548.000 orang.

Ini cukup bagus. Penciptaan lapangan kerja paling besar pertama adalah sektor 
jasa 325.000 orang. Nomor dua industri pengolahan yang mampu menyerap 220.000 
orang, ujarnya.

Yanuar Rizky berpendapat, konsumsi penopang pertumbuhan ekonomi baru dikatakan 
berkualitas apabila mampu mendorong kegiatan produksi yang menyerap lapangan 
kerja. Pertumbuhan ekonomi kita seperti terpisah dari fungsi produksi.

Sektor jasa dari perdagangan, hotel, dan restoran tumbuh sebesar 8,7 persen dan 
menjadi penyumbang terbesar terhadap total pertumbuhan PDB, yakni 1,5 persen.

Sumber pertumbuhan PDB terbesar lain adalah angkutan dan industri, 
masing-masing 1,2 persen.

Konsumsi rumah tangga masih menopang pertumbuhan ekonomi dengan kontribusi 2,7 
persen dan investasi 2 persen.

Menurut Yanuar, konsumsi rumah tangga yang tinggi tersebut sebagian besar 
didukung oleh kelompok masyarakat berpendapatan tinggi. Konsumsi nasional pun 
ternyata gagal mendorong kegiatan produksi karena sebagian besar kebutuhan 
domestik didapat lewat impor.

Yanuar mengutip laporan Asia Wealth Report 2010 yang memaparkan secara rinci ke 
mana saja distribusi investasi kekayaan orang-orang kaya di Asia-Pasifik, 
termasuk Indonesia.

Kelompok orang kaya Indonesia menyimpan 33 persen aset kekayaan mereka dalam 
bentuk deposito atau tabungan, real estat (22 persen), saham (19 persen), reksa 
dana pendapatan tetap (16 persen), dan investasi alternatif, seperti kurs mata 
uang asing atau komoditas (10 persen).

Jadi, kebanyakan peningkatan pendapatan itu berasal dari deposito dan 
instrumen finansial lain dan yang menikmati hanya 200.000 pemilik rekening di 
atas Rp 100 juta, menurut data BPS. Bagaimana bisa berkualitas kalau 
pertumbuhan lebih rendah dari inflasi (6,96 persen) dan orang yang tumbuh saat 
ini hanya pemilik modal yang mampu bermain di pasar uang, bukan berproduksi, 
ujar Yanuar.

Industri terpuruk

Kalangan pengusaha juga turut mengkhawatirkan adanya kesenjangan lapisan 
masyarakat kaya dan miskin. Apabila pemerintah terlambat menanganinya, akan 
terjadi persoalan sosial yang berdampak terhadap stabilitas ekonomi dan politik.

Ketua Umum Asosiasi Pengusaha Indonesia (Apindo) Sofjan Wanandi mengemukakan, 
pengusaha terus berusaha keras menjadi lokomotif perekonomian nasional. Namun, 
upaya keras tersebut akan sia-sia apabila pemerintah tidak berbuat sesuatu 
untuk memperbaiki kondisi yang ada, seperti infrastruktur, penegakan hukum, 
pasokan energi, dan ekonomi biaya tinggi.

Industri manufaktur masih tertolong dengan pertumbuhan sektor otomotif dan 
elektronik. Toyota dan Honda masih tumbuh karena jumlah penduduk terus 
bertambah, elektronik masih maju karena mengekspor, ujar Sofjan.

Namun, kondisi ini dikhawatirkan tidak bertahan lama jika pemerintah tak segera 
mengubah kebijakan bea masuk yang memanjakan importir. Kebijakan tersebut, 
termasuk menaikkan tarif dasar listrik, menghantui dunia usaha.

Minat pengusaha memproduksi barang menurun. Mereka kini menjadi lebih pragmatis 
dan sebagian mulai beralih menjadi importir sehingga lambat laun

[proletar] Penyerangan Simultant Terhadap Islam, Nasrani, Buddha dan Hindu !!!

Penyerangan Simultant Terhadap Islam, Nasrani, Buddha dan Hindu !!!
  
Pemaksaan penurunan patung Buddha di Kalimantan, penganiayaan Ahmadiah, 
pembakaran gereja2, dan pembakaran kuil2 Hindu di Bali; kesemuanya ini 
merupakan tindakan yang direncanakan rapih dalam jangka panjang.

Celakanya, semua kerusuhan dan huru hara ini ternyata melibatkan pemerintah 
yang dalam hal ini polisi yang melindungi pelaku2nya, dan para menteri yang 
melindungi pelaku2nya secara hukum, bahkan presiden juga terlibat langsung 
dengan menanda tangani skb tiga menteri yang adalah inkonstitusional tanpa 
proses pengadilan mengeksekusi kelompok agama.

Secara hukum, pemerintah menegakkan keamanan, keadilan dan hukum berdasarkan 
hukum yang berlaku, artinya tidak bisa mencampuri dan menilai isi ajaran sebuah 
agama atas dasar pemikiran agama yang dipercaya oleh penguasanya.  Masalah 
ajaran suatu agama hanya bisa dinilai dari sudut HAM bukan dari sudut Syariah 
Islam aliran MUI.  Negara RI bukanlah negara Syariah melainkan Demokrasi yang 
berlandaskan HAM yang dalam hal ini di ekspressikan dalam Pancasila dan UUD.

Celakalah kalo pelarangan agama dilakukan atas landasan pemikiran satu aliran 
Islam saja yang dianut MUI, sehingga agama2 lainnya dianggap sesat.

Islam Ahmadiah dianggap sesat karena menganggap Ghulam Ahmad adalah nabi 
sesudah nabi Muhammad.

Nasrani dianggap sesat karena menganggap manusia sebagai Tuhan.

Hindu/Buddha dianggap sesat karena menyembah patung2 sebagai Tuhannya.

Jadi agama yang tidak sesat satu2nya cuma Islam Sunni yang dianut oleh MUI 
sebagai institusi standarisasi agama Islam di Indonesia.  Semua agama yang 
sesat diatas harus dilarang pemerintah dan begitulah arti kebebasan beragama 
menurut agama Islam yang distandarisasi oleh MUI dan Depag.

Semua agama sesat itu dianggap sebagai penodaan terhadap agama dan karena 
pemerintah menghindari kritik luar negeri, maka eksekusi pemusnahan agama2 
sesat ini ditugasi kepada FPI sebagai ormas masyarakat yang berhak bertindak 
atas nama hukum dengan dikawal dan dilindungi polisi maupun aparat keamanan 
lainnya.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.







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[proletar] Chechnya Akui Pengeboman di Moskwa

MOSKOWA, KOMPAS.com - Pemimpin gerilyawan Chechnya, Doku Umarov, mengaku 
bertanggung jawab atas pengeboman di bandara Moskwa yang menewaskan 36 orang 
bulan lalu. Dalam sebuah pesan video, yang di-posting pada situs web yang 
secara teratur menyampaikan pesan para pemberontak Chechnya, Umarov mengatakan, 
dia sedang berbicara tentang pemboman pada tanggal 24 Januari 2011, hari 
pemboman mematikan tersebut.

Dia mengenakan seragam tempur kamuflase dan kopiah hitam. Operasi khusus itu 
telah dilakukan sesuai dengan perintah saya. Operasi khusus serupa akan terjadi 
lagi masa datang, katanya dalam bahasa Rusia. Situs Kavkaz Center yang 
menayangkan pesan itu mengatakan, pihaknya menerima pesan tersebut dan 
mem-posting-nya Senin malam.

Dalam sebuah pesan terpisah yang di-posting pada akhir pekan, orang yang 
menyebut dirinya Emir dari Kaukasus Utara itu berjanji untuk membuat banjir 
darah dan air selama satu tahun bagi Rusia, dengan mengatakan, puluhan 
pemberontak telah siap untuk melakukan serangan. Saya tidak akan memberitahu 
Anda bahwa ada ratusan dari kami yang siap berjihad. Tapi 50 atau 60 orang, 
insya Allah, kami bisa dapatkan, kata Umarov. Operasi-operasi itu akan 
dilakukan secara bulanan atau mingguan, katanya.

Ia meminta Rusia untuk melepas wilayah itu. Ia mengatakan, serangan-serangan 
akan dihentikan setelah Rusia mundur dari Chechnya.

Di Moskwa, para penyidik mengatakan, mereka telah mengidentifikasi tersangka 
pembom bunuh diri di balik serangan di bandara itu sebagai seorang pria berusia 
20 tahun dari daerah Kaukasus Utara. Namun Alexander Bortnikov, kepala Badan 
Keamanan Federal Rusia, menolak untuk mempublikasikan nama tersangka atau 
mengidentifikasi asal spesifik orang itu.





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[proletar] BBC: Chechen warlord Doku Umarov claims Moscow airport bomb


BBC News Europe

8 February 2011 Last updated at 09:09 GMT


Chechen warlord Doku Umarov claims Moscow airport bomb

Doku Umarov speaking in the video message dated 24 January Mr Umarov spoke at 
length about the situation of Muslims in Sudan

One of Russia's most wanted men, Chechen warlord Doku Umarov, has said he 
ordered the deadly bomb attack last month on a Moscow airport.

The suicide attack on the arrivals area of Domodedovo international airport on 
24 January left 36 people dead and 180 injured.

In a video posted online, Mr Umarov said the attack was a response to Russian 
crimes in the Caucasus.

Similar suicide attacks would continue, he added, speaking in Russian.

Mr Umarov is leader of the Caucasus Emirate, an Islamist militant group 
spanning the North Caucasus, and is one of the few prominent Chechen rebels 
still active, having served as security minister in the Chechen separatist 
government from 1996-99.

Another video of the rebel leader was posted online late on Friday last week in 
which he threatened a year of blood and tears but made no explicit reference 
to the airport bombing.
Continue reading the main story
Analysis
image of Steve Rosenberg Steve Rosenberg BBC News, Moscow

Doku Umarov's claim that he ordered the Domodedovo bombing will not come as a 
surprise to Russians.

The Chechen warlord has been linked to previous acts of terror.

But his declaration that there are hundreds more suicide bombers ready to 
strike at any moment will spread fear across the country.

Following the Domodedovo bomb, the authorities have taken measures to prevent 
similar attacks.

As of 1 February, there are new security regulations at Russian airports. It 
means tighter controls outside airport buildings and more document checks.

One Russian newspaper this morning warned passengers to arrive four hours 
before a flight. It also predicted that it would be harder for individuals 
without valid air tickets to get access to the terminals.

What's more, a string of law enforcement officials have been sacked and a new 
head of transport security has been appointed in the Interior Ministry.

But few Russians believe that these measures will prevent future terror attacks 
and provide them security.

Doku Umarov has previously claimed the March 2010 suicide bombings on the 
Moscow Metro in which 39 people died, and is said to have ordered the November 
2009 bombing of a train from Moscow to St Petersburg that left 26 dead.
'On my orders'

The video which appeared on the Kavkaz Tsentr website is dated 24 January, the 
day of the attack.

Appearing alone, dressed in combat fatigues, Mr Umarov speaks to the camera: 
This special operation was carried out on my orders and, God willing, special 
operations like it will continue to be carried out.

He goes on to argue that Muslims are under attack all over the world, talking 
at length about the situation in Sudan, and condemns Zionist and Christian 
regimes led by Israel and America.

Mr Umarov says that he and his fighters are waging jihad in the Caucasus today 
to establish the word of Allah, and there are hundreds more brothers ready 
to sacrifice themselves to that end, in the fight with Russia's racist regime.

Promising regular, deeper and more aggressive operations, he says he wishes 
that so much blood did not have to be spilt for Russia to leave the Caucasus.
'Special operation'

Russian investigators say the suicide bomber who struck at Domodedovo Airport 
was a 20-year-old man from the North Caucasus.
A man injured in the Moscow airport bombing is wheeled away, 24 January Many 
who survived the blast were badly injured

Although the attacker has not been named officially, unnamed officials told the 
Interfax news agency on Sunday that he was believed to be Magomed Yevloyev from 
a village in Ingushetia in the northern Caucasus.

In the video of Doku Umarov posted last Friday, the rebel leader is flanked by 
two men, one of whom the rebel leader claims is preparing a special 
operation. Russian media have suggested that the man in the video, named 
Seifullah by Mr Umarov, was Yevloyev.

At least seven foreigners were killed in the bombing at the airport - the 
busiest serving the Russian capital. The arrivals hall was full of people as 
several international flights had just landed.

Those killed included one person each from Britain, Germany, Austria, Ukraine, 
Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. At least 16 Russians were also among the 
dead.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev sacked several officials - said to include a 
regional transport chief and a Moscow police deputy head - after the bombing, 
blaming them for poor security.
M





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[proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !

ndeboostyang sudah gila danotaknya jadi busuk itu muter-muter sembari unjuk 
isi otaknya yagn sudah busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote:

 ..otak seperti anda memang mesti muter2 dulu baru diajak kembali ke
 pertanyaan semula.
 
 Dasar Otak @David_Silalahi. nT nih culun, banget malah.
 
 
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
 wrote:
 
  nah, kalo gitu tunjukkan cara berpikir anda dengan menjawab pertanyaan
 saya:
 
  apakah anda tidak menerima HAM?
 
 
  otak seperti anda memang mesti muter2 dulu baru diajak kembali ke
 pertanyaan
  semula.
 
 
  2011/2/8 ndeboost rambitesemak@
 
  
  
   Kalau berfikir cara otak @David_Silalahi memang kek gitu.
   Malah opsinya bisa lebih: pemales
  
   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
   wrote:
   
anda selalu oot apa karena otak anda tercemar atau memang anda itu
sengaja supaya enggak kelihatan kehabisan kata karena mati kutu?
   
pilih dua-duanya juga boleh, yaitu anda punya otak memang sudah
tercemar sekaligus memang sudah mati kutu enggak punya jawaban
 lagi.
   
  
 
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 







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[proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !


Satu lagi komentar sedeng ndeboost yang memang sudah gila itu..

Dia cuap-cuap sekedar unjuk isi otaknya yang busuk, nista lagi
menjijikkan.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote:

 Siapa dulu donk Gaeknya.
 
 Pak Dhengkek nduwe andheng-andheng gede 3X
 Neng nduwur irunge.
 Pak Gaek gaweane merana-merene 3X
 Golek bokonge bule.
 
 Yah yah yah ..
 
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
 
 
  Satu lagi komentar sedeng ndeboost  yang memang sudah gila itu..
 
  Dia cuap-cuap sekedar unjuk isi otaknya  yang busuk, nista lagi
 menjijikkan.
 
 
  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
  
   Otak @David_Silalahi maksudnya?
  
   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
   wrote:
   
punya otak enggak buat ngeliat ada tanda tanya di kalimat saya?
   
On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
 nT tanya atau sekalian njawab?
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
 wrote:

 jelasnya apakah anda berdua tidak menerima HAM ?


 On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
  Jelasnya?
  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
  wrote:
 
  jadi ternyata anda berdua memang tidak menerima HAM ?
 
  On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
   HAM utk yg tangannya diatas atau yg sponsornya kuat, Pak.
   Seingat
   nDeboost ga pernah baca,  komentar dari jago-jago HAM di
 forum
 ini
   mengenai jutaan bayi yang di RRC (atau di India)
 dimusnahkan
   atau
  dibuat
   sup. Atau di dornya koruptor disana. Namun saat nDeboost
 memaparkan
   imajinasi yang mirip namun di Indonesia katanya nDeboost
 haus
 darah.
   Hukum syariah bla bla bla .
  
   Yah yah yah 
   
  
 







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[proletar] Re: Kesenjangan Ekonomi Semakin Lebar


 wawan selarasmilis@... wrote:
 menurutku inilah akar segala masalah,
 yaitu kemiskinan agama hanyalah alat
 pendorongnya saja, tapi root cause
 kekerasan itu ada di ekonomi/kemiskinan
 ==

Bukan begitu, kerusuhan yang terjadi akarnya adalah ajaran agama Islam yang 
memang penuh teror, menteror umat lain dan juga umatnya sendiri.

Inilah akar sebenarnya bukan masalah ekonomi.  Justru sebaliknya, akibat ajaran 
teror inilah menyebabkan ketimpangan ekonomi, investor lari, pengangguran 
meningkat, sekolah2 bukan mendidik pekerja tapi mendidik dan menyebarkan agama 
Islam.

Pelajar bukan diwajibkan untuk melatih diri untuk siap bekerja, melainkan 
diwajibkan meningkatkan keimanan untuk siap jadi syuhada yang diberi pahala 
oleh Allah.

Pekerja harusnya bersaing merebut pekerjaan bukan bersaing berebut pahala.

KERUSAKAN EKONOMI YANG TERJADI SEKARANG INI DISEBABKAN AJARAN AGAMA ISLAM YANG 
DIANUT PEMERINTAH.

PEMERINTAH BUKAN MENGATUR NEGARA DENGAN HUKUM YANG BERLAKU MELAINKAN DENGAN 
SYARIAH ISLAM YANG TIDAK RESMI DIBERLAKUKAN.

AKIBATNYA INVESTOR LARI KARENA DIPAKSA UNTUK MEMBANGUN TEMPAT SHALAT 
DIPABRIKNYA YANG MENGAKIBATKAN PERUSAHAAN BANGKRUT AKIBAT PEKERJA YANG TIDAK 
PRODUKTIF INI DIGAJI TANPA EFFISIENSI.

Mana ada investor bisa membayar pajak kalo dipaksa menggaji buruh2 yang cuma 
bisa shalat 5 waktu saja.  Penggajian buruh harusnya berdasarkan skill, tapi 
dipaksa untuk memasukan persyaratan bisa membaca Quran.

Pabrik2 baik pabrik makanan atau electronik dipaksa membayar stiker halal, 
padahal diluar negeri tulisan halal bisa tanpa bayar dicantumkan oleh pabriknya.

Lalu gimana bisa ekonimi diperbaiki ???

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.














 JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Perekonomian Indonesia pada 2010 tumbuh 6,1 persen, 
 melampaui target 5,8 persen. Nilai produk domestik bruto naik dari Rp 5.603,9 
 triliun pada 2009 menjadi Rp 6.422,9 triliun tahun lalu. Namun, pertumbuhan 
 ekonomi ini menimbulkan kesenjangan di masyarakat.
 
 Pengamat ekonomi Yanuar Rizky di Jakarta, Senin (7/2/2011), mengatakan, 
 kelompok masyarakat yang sangat kaya masih menjadi penyokong utama 
 pertumbuhan ekonomi melalui konsumsi rumah tangga mereka.
 
 Sementara sektor industri berorientasi penciptaan nilai tambah penyerap 
 lapangan kerja, yang menjadi salah satu indikator kesuksesan pertumbuhan 
 ekonomi, justru kian melemah.
 
 Kepala Badan Pusat Statistik (BPS) Rusman Heriawan mengumumkan, pertumbuhan 
 ekonomi pada 2010 dengan nilai produk domestik bruto (PDB) Rp 6.422,9 triliun 
 dan pendapatan per kapita mencapai Rp 27 juta per tahun.
 
 Jumlah ini didapat dari membagi Rp 6.422,9 triliun dengan 237,6 juta penduduk 
 Indonesia.
 
 Rusman menjelaskan, konsumsi rumah tangga menyumbang kue pertumbuhan 
 terbesar, yakni 56,7 persen, disusul investasi 32,2 persen. Idealnya, 
 konsumsi rumah tangga terus menurun hingga di bawah 50 persen, seperti yang 
 terjadi di negara-negara maju.
 
 Pertumbuhan PDB pun kemudian didukung oleh ekspansi investasi, terutama untuk 
 industri manufaktur yang menciptakan lapangan kerja.
 
 Meski demikian, komposisi investasi yang sudah melebihi 30 persen dari PDB 
 telah menunjukkan ada sirkulasi yang bermanfaat bagi perekonomian jangka 
 panjang.
 
 Pertumbuhan ekonomi pada 2010 telah menciptakan lapangan kerja baru sebanyak 
 3,34 juta orang. Dengan demikian, menurut Rusman, setiap 1 persen pertumbuhan 
 ekonomi pada 2010 mampu menciptakan lapangan kerja baru bagi 548.000 orang.
 
 Ini cukup bagus. Penciptaan lapangan kerja paling besar pertama adalah 
 sektor jasa 325.000 orang. Nomor dua industri pengolahan yang mampu menyerap 
 220.000 orang, ujarnya.
 
 Yanuar Rizky berpendapat, konsumsi penopang pertumbuhan ekonomi baru 
 dikatakan berkualitas apabila mampu mendorong kegiatan produksi yang menyerap 
 lapangan kerja. Pertumbuhan ekonomi kita seperti terpisah dari fungsi 
 produksi.
 
 Sektor jasa dari perdagangan, hotel, dan restoran tumbuh sebesar 8,7 persen 
 dan menjadi penyumbang terbesar terhadap total pertumbuhan PDB, yakni 1,5 
 persen.
 
 Sumber pertumbuhan PDB terbesar lain adalah angkutan dan industri, 
 masing-masing 1,2 persen.
 
 Konsumsi rumah tangga masih menopang pertumbuhan ekonomi dengan kontribusi 
 2,7 persen dan investasi 2 persen.
 
 Menurut Yanuar, konsumsi rumah tangga yang tinggi tersebut sebagian besar 
 didukung oleh kelompok masyarakat berpendapatan tinggi. Konsumsi nasional pun 
 ternyata gagal mendorong kegiatan produksi karena sebagian besar kebutuhan 
 domestik didapat lewat impor.
 
 Yanuar mengutip laporan Asia Wealth Report 2010 yang memaparkan secara rinci 
 ke mana saja distribusi investasi kekayaan orang-orang kaya di Asia-Pasifik, 
 termasuk Indonesia.
 
 Kelompok orang kaya Indonesia menyimpan 33 persen aset kekayaan mereka dalam 
 bentuk deposito atau tabungan, real estat (22 persen), saham (19 persen), 
 reksa dana pendapatan tetap (16 persen), dan investasi alternatif, seperti 
 kurs mata uang asing atau komoditas (10

[proletar] Re: 5 Motor di Gereja Bethel 3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius Temanggung Dibakar


Agama Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat ummat manusia, 
artinya juga untuk orang Islam sendiri...

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@... wrote:

 yang suka bikin ribut itu apa perlu disuruh bikin agama baru juga?
 
 On 2/8/11, a.widura@... a.widura@... wrote:
  Kalo kasus ahmadiah, bilangnya kenapa ngga bikin agama yg beda supaya ngga
  diributin...lha kalo ini, agamanya udah beda tapi tetep aja diributin
  juga...ribut teruss...kapan majunya ??...
  -Original Message-
  From: David Silalahi davidfr766hi@...
  Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:23:18
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  Subject: [proletar] 5 Motor di Gereja Bethel  3 Mobil di Gereja Kanisius
  Temanggung Dibakar
 
  2 gereja sudah dibakar.







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[proletar] Menegakkan Syariah Merusak Ekonomi

Menegakkan Syariah Merusak Ekonomi
   
Dasarnya Syariah Islam adalah bahwa hanya satu agama saja yang benar yang harus 
ditegakkan dalam satu negara.  Yang lainnya adalah agama sesat yang harus 
dilarang dan dimusnahkan oleh negara.

Inilah yang sekarang sedang berlangsung di Indonesia, meskipun tidak dikatakan 
sebagai negara Islam, namun proses yang berjalan jelas merupakan proses 
mensyariahkan negara ini.

Syariah Islam adalah pemaksaan agama Islam dan sama sekali bukan ilmu ekonomi, 
sebaliknya malah merusak dan menghancurkan ekonomi negara.

Jadi kerusuhan agama BUKAN disebabkan oleh kesenjangan ekonomi sebagai akarnya, 
tetapi sebaliknya, proses Islamisasi inilah yang menciptakan kesenjangan 
ekonomi.  Karena investor kabur, pengangguran meningkat, buruh tidak terlatih 
bekerja tapi harus lancar baca AlQuran.

 wawan selarasmilis@... wrote:
 menurutku inilah akar segala masalah,
 yaitu kemiskinan agama hanyalah alat
 pendorongnya saja, tapi root cause
 kekerasan itu ada di ekonomi/kemiskinan
 ==

Bukan begitu, kerusuhan yang terjadi akarnya adalah ajaran agama Islam yang 
memang penuh teror, menteror umat lain dan juga umatnya sendiri.

Inilah akar sebenarnya bukan masalah ekonomi.  Justru sebaliknya, akibat ajaran 
teror inilah menyebabkan ketimpangan ekonomi, investor lari, pengangguran 
meningkat, sekolah2 bukan mendidik pekerja tapi mendidik dan menyebarkan agama 
Islam.

Pelajar bukan diwajibkan untuk melatih diri untuk siap bekerja, melainkan 
diwajibkan meningkatkan keimanan untuk siap jadi syuhada yang diberi pahala 
oleh Allah.

Pekerja harusnya bersaing merebut pekerjaan bukan bersaing berebut pahala.

KERUSAKAN EKONOMI YANG TERJADI SEKARANG INI DISEBABKAN AJARAN AGAMA ISLAM YANG 
DIANUT PEMERINTAH.

PEMERINTAH BUKAN MENGATUR NEGARA DENGAN HUKUM YANG BERLAKU MELAINKAN DENGAN 
SYARIAH ISLAM YANG TIDAK RESMI DIBERLAKUKAN.

AKIBATNYA INVESTOR LARI KARENA DIPAKSA UNTUK MEMBANGUN TEMPAT SHALAT 
DIPABRIKNYA YANG MENGAKIBATKAN PERUSAHAAN BANGKRUT AKIBAT PEKERJA YANG TIDAK 
PRODUKTIF INI DIGAJI TANPA EFFISIENSI.

Mana ada investor bisa membayar pajak kalo dipaksa menggaji buruh2 yang cuma 
bisa shalat 5 waktu saja.  Penggajian buruh harusnya berdasarkan skill, tapi 
dipaksa untuk memasukan persyaratan bisa membaca Quran.

Pabrik2 baik pabrik makanan atau electronik dipaksa membayar stiker halal, 
padahal diluar negeri tulisan halal bisa tanpa bayar dicantumkan oleh pabriknya.

Lalu gimana bisa ekonimi diperbaiki ???

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.







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[proletar] [Video] The Philosophy of Marxism - Dialectical Materialism


catatan:
kesalahan serious soekarno itu mengambil marxism secara sepotong yaitu history 
materi, dan marxist economic-nya saja, padahal pondasi utama dari ideologi 
marxism adalah Dialectical Materialism

 


http://www.marxist.com/video-alan-woods-dialectical-materialism.htm

An Introduction to Marxism day school was held at the University of London 
Union (ULU) building on Saturday, January 22nd. It was hosted by Socialist 
Appeal and the ULU Marxist society, and covered the 3 component parts of 
Marxism - Dialectical Materialism, Historical Materialism and Marxist 
Economics. Now, more than ever, as new layers are beginning to question the 
existing order of things and look for an alternative to the capitalist system, 
is it imporant to raise the ideas of Marxism as that alternative. Alan Woods 
introduced the first session on Dialectical Materialism, which you can view 
here.





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[proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional (Hakikatnya mereka menolak hak azasi manusia,


Hakikatnya mereka menolak hak azasi manusia, karena kalau mereka menerima maka 
mereka harus mencampakkan kitab suci mereka yang memerintahkan mukmin untuk 
menggaplok istri yang bandel, memotong tangan pencuri dan memerangi orang 
kafir...


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote:

 Saya rasa pertanyaan seperti ini tidak akan bisa dijawab oleh nDeboost, sebab 
 kapasitas otaknya saya rasa terlalu kecil sehingga tidak cukup untuk 
 memikirkan masalah HAM, sehingga tidak mungkin juga untuk diajak berfikir 
 serius, yang bisa beliau lakukan hanyalah ngeyel wa ngeyel bin ngeyel.
 
 Pertanyaan apakah anda menerima HAM?, bagi kebanyakan orang adalah pertanyaan 
 yang simple dan mudah jawabnya, Ya saya menerima HAM, atau TIDAK saya tidak 
 menerima HAM, ini sudah cukup.
 
 Tapi bagi nDebbost tidak demikian, karena tidak punya kemampuan menalar 
 dengan baik, maka pertanyaan sederhana sekali seperti itu menjadi 
 complicated, maka beliaupun tidak bisa menjawab.
 
 Apakah pandangan saya yang keliru? saya rasa tidak, sebab sampai kapanpun 
 nDeboost tidak mampu memberi jawaban, kita lihat saja
 
 
 Rahayu
  
 
 
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@ wrote:
 
  jelasnya apakah anda berdua tidak menerima HAM ?
  
  
  On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
   Jelasnya?
   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
   wrote:
  
   jadi ternyata anda berdua memang tidak menerima HAM ?
  
   On 2/8/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote:
HAM utk yg tangannya diatas atau yg sponsornya kuat, Pak. Seingat
nDeboost ga pernah baca,  komentar dari jago-jago HAM di forum ini
mengenai jutaan bayi yang di RRC (atau di India) dimusnahkan atau
   dibuat
sup. Atau di dornya koruptor disana. Namun saat nDeboost memaparkan
imajinasi yang mirip namun di Indonesia katanya nDeboost haus darah.
Hukum syariah bla bla bla .
   
Yah yah yah 
 







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[proletar] isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam..

Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti 
Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang 
dll...

Dungu kayak babi dan rajin berdusta dan memfitnah...






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[proletar] Asyik..nggak hujan, nggak ada salju dan angin juga nggak bertipu kencang..

Pagi ini saya mulai jogging baru sekitar jam 9..

Jalanan sudah agak rame oleh kendaraan. 

Tapi tetap asyik karena nggak hujan, nggak ada salju dan angin juga nggak 
bertiup kencang..

Di kanal Wittesingel yang membatasi kota tua Leiden dari bahagian kota yang 
belakangan dibangun saya lihat sekumpulan bebek liar menikmati sinar matahari 
pagi..
 






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[proletar] VivaNews: Sidang Kasus Penistaan Agama Ricuh


Lihat videonya:

http://us.video.vivanews.com/read/12942-sidang-kasus-penistaan-agama-ricuh






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[proletar] Mereka Terpuruk di Kolong Jembatan

Refleksi : Agaknya ada perbedaan hak dan status kehormatan kewargeneraan NKRI, 
hal ini bisa dilihat antara mereka yang berdiam di Mesir, Tunisia dan yang 
disebut Pahlawan Devisa  dikolong jembatan di Tanah Suci, Arab Saudia.  
Perkembangan akhir-akhir ini di Mesir dan Tunisia membuat rezim SBY memulangkan 
warganegaranya dari kedua negeri ini, tetapi yang terlunta-lunta berbulan-bulan 
bahkan mungkin juga tahunan dibiarkan. SBY dengan gagah menjemput para 
pengungsi dari Mesir dan Tunisa. Apabila mereka bisa dipulangkan, apakah mereka 
juga akan dijemput oleh SBY dengan senyum disertai ucapan:Selamat datang, 
syukuralhamdulilah Anda sekalian telah tiba kembali tanah tumpah darah yang 
tercinta?

Bagi para TKI jangan dilupakan kata-kata mutiara : habis manis sepah dibuang 
begitulah keadaannya bagi pahlawan devisa yang dengan keringat dan airmata dan 
kadangkala pula dengan nyawa menymbangkan kurang lebih  US$7 miliar dollar 
untuk cadangan devisa rezim berkuasa tiap tahun.

http://www.gatra.com/artikel.php?id=145297


TKI
Mereka Terpuruk di Kolong Jembatan


Selama beberapa bulan bekalangan ini, Sucipto berusaha bertahan hidup di kolong 
Jembatan Kandarah, Jeddah, Arab Saudi. Lelaki 50 tahun asal Tulungagung, Jawa 
Timur, itu hanya bisa meratapi nasibnya yang terlunta-lunta di negeri orang. 
Saya gagal bekerja di sini (Arab Saudi). Mau pulang kampung saja, kata 
Sucipto dengan suara tersendat-sendat menahan tangis.

Di kolong jembatan itu, Sucipto tinggal bersama sekitar 200 tenaga kerja 
Indonesia (TKI) yang berasal dari pelbagai daerah. Kolong Jembatan Kandarah 
sejak tiga tahun silam, seakan menjadi tempat singgah bagi TKI yang telantar di 
Arab. Awalnya, Sucipto bekerja di Abha, salah kota di Arab Saudi yang 
berbatasan dengan Yaman.

Hampir setahun bekerja, sang majikan hanya memberi gaji sebesar 1.000 real, 
atau setara dengan Rp 2,5 juta. Merasa dirinya tak dihargai, Sucipto minggat 
dari tempat kerjanya, pindah ke Jeddah. Ia kerja serabutan. Peruntungannya 
selama dua tahun di Jeddah hanya cukup untuk bertahan hidup.

Karena itulah Sucipto memilih tinggal di kolong jembatan bersama ratusan TKI 
lainya. Di penampungan liar itu, para TKI tidur beralaskan tikar dan beratap 
jalan layang. Mereka yang sudah hidup berbulan-bulan, bahkan tahunan, itu 
terdiri atas orang dewasa dan anak-anak.

Sebagian besar tinggal dengan mendirikan tenda parasut sebagai rumah 
dadakannya. Masing-masing berkumpul dan membuat blok-blok tersendiri. Setiap 
blok, secara tidak ketat, dikoordinasi oleh seorang penanggung jawab (mas`ul). 
Kehadiran mereka di bawah jembatan itu karena berbagai persoalan.

Misalnya, Imas, 27 tahun, harus melarikan diri dari tempat kerjanya sebagai 
pembantu rumah tangga di wilayah Jeddah, karena tingkah pola sang majikan yang 
tidak sopan. Menurut wanita asal Cianjur, Jawa Barat, itu, majikannya kerap 
berbuat tidak senonoh kepadanya. Majikan saya selalu berupaya menggerayangi 
tubuh saya, kata Imas.

Padahal, dengan majikan sebelumnya Imas bisa bekerja dengan baik. Bahkan, dia 
kini sudah bisa membangun rumah sendiri di kampung halamannya. Namun, pada 
periode II sebagai TKI, dia merasa tidak nyaman. Karena itulah Imas kabur, 
walaupun tanpa identitas diri. Semua dokumen miliknya disita oleh majikannya.

Imas terpaksa tinggal di kolong jembatan. Pilihannya di tempat itu lantaran 
bisa hidup bersama dengan bibinya, Titin, 35 tahun, yang lebih dulu melarikan 
diri dari majikannya. Padahal di penampungan liar itu, kata Titin, situasi dan 
keadaannya sangat keras dan brutal. Tidak jarang terjadi perkelahian antar blok 
dan pencurian. Kalau ada yang berkelahi bisa saling tusuk dan mati, ujar 
Titin.

Selain tindak kriminalitas yang muncul, TKI yang telantar itu juga seringkali 
merasakan jenuh yang memuncak. Guna menghindari hal itu, Titin dan Imas bekerja 
sebagai pembantu rumah tangga panggilan. Waktunya hanya separuh hari di rumah 
yang ditempati oleh orang asing atau pendatang. Hasilnya hanya cukup untuk 
bertahan di Jeddah, tutur Titin.

Kolong Jembatan Kandarah, kata Titin, adalah satu-satu tempat yang dituju 
selama di negeri Arab. Sebab dari tempat ini rencana kepulangan ke kampung 
halamannya di Cianjur, kemungkinan bisa tercapai. Beberapa kali dirinya 
menerima informasi bahwa para TKI yang tinggal di kolong jembatan akhirnya bisa 
pulang ke Indonesia tanpa biaya. Kami berharap ada pihak yang mengangkut dan 
memulangkan kami ke Indonesia, katanya.

Yang mengangkut dan memulangkan itu tak lain dari aparat Pemerintah Arab Saudi. 
Selama bertahun-tahun mereka mengangkut TKI yang telantar di kolong jembatan. 
Sebelum dideportasikan ke Indonesia, para TKI terlebih dahulu diidentifikasi. 
Jika bermasalah secara hukum, maka akan diproses sesuai hukum yang berlaku.

Ada pun yang bersih dari kasus kriminalitas, yang bersangkutan akan dimasukan 
dalam daftar hitam (black list). Kemudian dipastikan tidak akan bisa kembali 
bekerja di Arab Saudi untuk jangka waktu lima tahun berikutnya. Jadi yang

[proletar] BBC :Indonesia pressured over Ahmadiyah Muslim sect killings


BBC News Asia-Pacific

8 February 2011 Last updated at 09:20 GMT

Indonesia pressured over Ahmadiyah Muslim sect killings

video grab made available 7 Feb by Human Rights Watch shows villagers attacking 
members of minority Ahmadiyah Islamic sect in Pandeglang, Banten province, on 
February 6, 2011 A video made of the attack shows a mob attacking residents and 
inflicting vicious attacks
Continue reading the main story

Indonesia has been criticised by US groups and others after a murderous attack 
against supporters of the minority Ahmadiyah Muslim sect.

A mob attacked sect members, killing at least three, while police either fled 
or stood by watching.

A body which advises the US government on religious freedom has said Indonesia 
must act against extremist attacks.

A 1965 blasphemy law, and a 2008 anti-Ahmadiyah decree, must be revoked, it 
said, and the attackers punished.

This is just more deadly evidence that blasphemy laws are the cause of 
sectarian violence, not the solution, said Leonard Leo, chair of the US 
Commission on International Religious Freedom.

Indonesia is a tolerant county that should be more intolerant of extremist 
groups, he said. It's time the Indonesian government brings them to account 
for the violence and hatred they spread.

New York-based Human Rights Watch echoed the calls, saying the Indonesian 
authorities should be watching the video of the attack carefully to catch the 
perpetrators.

There needs to be a full investigation into why the police absolutely failed 
to prevent this mob from going on a violent rampage, said Elaine Pearson, 
deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch.
Future fears

The group obtained and helped to disseminate the video which shows the attack, 
in which men forced residents to strip before beating them so violently that 
several died.

How many Ahmadiyah have to die at the hands of mobs before the police step 
in, Ms Pearson said.

The Indonesian government should end this wave of hate crimes and immediately 
revoke the 2008 anti-Ahmadiyah decree, which encourages these vicious attacks.

A spokesman for the police, Boy Rafli Ahmad, said that although 30 police 
officers had been present they were greatly outnumbered by the 1,000-strong mob.

This brutal attack on Ahmadiyya followers reflects the continued failure of 
the Indonesian government to protect religious minorities from harassment and 
attacks and to hold the perpetrators accountable, said Donna Guest, 
Asia-Pacific Deputy Director at Amnesty International.

The Jakarta Post newspaper said barbaric and sadistic were the two words 
most commonly used to describe the onslaught in Umbulan village, Pandeglang, 
Banten.

But the killings may not be the last, and violence may continue increase as 
the government remains at a loss in addressing the issue, it wrote.

The Indonesian government condemned the attack and has promised an 
investigation.

But critics have frequently asserted that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono 
has not taken a strong stand against extremist Islamic groups for fear of their 
wealthy and military backers.

The decree of 2008 stopped short of banning the sect but threatens worshippers 
with jail if they continue to spread their beliefs.

The religious minister has called for the dissolution of the sect, mainly 
because of their belief that their founder, and not Muhammad, was the last 
prophet.

The Indonesian constitution guarantees freedom of religious expression.

Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population but it is a secular 
country. But the government has been accused of caving into their demands since 
it relies on the support of Islamic parties.






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[proletar] Mereka Terpuruk di Kolong Jembatan (RALAT)

R a l a t

Refleksi : Agaknya ada perbedaan hak dan status kehormatan kewargeneraan NKRI, 
hal ini bisa dilihat antara mereka yang berdiam di Mesir, Tunisia dan yang 
disebut Pahlawan Devisa  dikolong jembatan di Tanah Suci, Arab Saudia.  
Perkembangan akhir-akhir ini di Mesir dan Tunisia membuat rezim SBY memulangkan 
warganegaranya dari kedua negeri ini, tetapi yang terlunta-lunta berbulan-bulan 
bahkan mungkin juga tahunan dibiarkan. SBY dengan gagah menjemput para 
pengungsi dari Mesir dan Tunisa. 

Apabila mereka di kolong jembatan bisa dipulangkan, apakah mereka juga akan 
dijemput oleh SBY dengan senyum disertai ucapan:Selamat datang, 
syukuralhamdulilah Anda sekalian telah tiba kembali tanah tumpah darah yang 
tercinta?

Bagi para TKI jangan dilupakan kata-kata mutiara : habis manis sepah dibuang 
begitulah keadaannya bagi pahlawan devisa yang dengan keringat dan airmata dan 
kadangkala pula dengan nyawa menyumbangkan kurang lebih  US$7 miliar dollar 
untuk cadangan devisa rezim berkuasa tiap tahun.

http://www.gatra.com/artikel.php?id=145297


TKI
Mereka Terpuruk di Kolong Jembatan


Selama beberapa bulan bekalangan ini, Sucipto berusaha bertahan hidup di kolong 
Jembatan Kandarah, Jeddah, Arab Saudi. Lelaki 50 tahun asal Tulungagung, Jawa 
Timur, itu hanya bisa meratapi nasibnya yang terlunta-lunta di negeri orang. 
Saya gagal bekerja di sini (Arab Saudi). Mau pulang kampung saja, kata 
Sucipto dengan suara tersendat-sendat menahan tangis.

Di kolong jembatan itu, Sucipto tinggal bersama sekitar 200 tenaga kerja 
Indonesia (TKI) yang berasal dari pelbagai daerah. Kolong Jembatan Kandarah 
sejak tiga tahun silam, seakan menjadi tempat singgah bagi TKI yang telantar di 
Arab. Awalnya, Sucipto bekerja di Abha, salah kota di Arab Saudi yang 
berbatasan dengan Yaman.

Hampir setahun bekerja, sang majikan hanya memberi gaji sebesar 1.000 real, 
atau setara dengan Rp 2,5 juta. Merasa dirinya tak dihargai, Sucipto minggat 
dari tempat kerjanya, pindah ke Jeddah. Ia kerja serabutan. Peruntungannya 
selama dua tahun di Jeddah hanya cukup untuk bertahan hidup.

Karena itulah Sucipto memilih tinggal di kolong jembatan bersama ratusan TKI 
lainya. Di penampungan liar itu, para TKI tidur beralaskan tikar dan beratap 
jalan layang. Mereka yang sudah hidup berbulan-bulan, bahkan tahunan, itu 
terdiri atas orang dewasa dan anak-anak.

Sebagian besar tinggal dengan mendirikan tenda parasut sebagai rumah 
dadakannya. Masing-masing berkumpul dan membuat blok-blok tersendiri. Setiap 
blok, secara tidak ketat, dikoordinasi oleh seorang penanggung jawab (mas`ul). 
Kehadiran mereka di bawah jembatan itu karena berbagai persoalan.

Misalnya, Imas, 27 tahun, harus melarikan diri dari tempat kerjanya sebagai 
pembantu rumah tangga di wilayah Jeddah, karena tingkah pola sang majikan yang 
tidak sopan. Menurut wanita asal Cianjur, Jawa Barat, itu, majikannya kerap 
berbuat tidak senonoh kepadanya. Majikan saya selalu berupaya menggerayangi 
tubuh saya, kata Imas.

Padahal, dengan majikan sebelumnya Imas bisa bekerja dengan baik. Bahkan, dia 
kini sudah bisa membangun rumah sendiri di kampung halamannya. Namun, pada 
periode II sebagai TKI, dia merasa tidak nyaman. Karena itulah Imas kabur, 
walaupun tanpa identitas diri. Semua dokumen miliknya disita oleh majikannya.

Imas terpaksa tinggal di kolong jembatan. Pilihannya di tempat itu lantaran 
bisa hidup bersama dengan bibinya, Titin, 35 tahun, yang lebih dulu melarikan 
diri dari majikannya. Padahal di penampungan liar itu, kata Titin, situasi dan 
keadaannya sangat keras dan brutal. Tidak jarang terjadi perkelahian antar blok 
dan pencurian. Kalau ada yang berkelahi bisa saling tusuk dan mati, ujar 
Titin.

Selain tindak kriminalitas yang muncul, TKI yang telantar itu juga seringkali 
merasakan jenuh yang memuncak. Guna menghindari hal itu, Titin dan Imas bekerja 
sebagai pembantu rumah tangga panggilan. Waktunya hanya separuh hari di rumah 
yang ditempati oleh orang asing atau pendatang. Hasilnya hanya cukup untuk 
bertahan di Jeddah, tutur Titin.

Kolong Jembatan Kandarah, kata Titin, adalah satu-satu tempat yang dituju 
selama di negeri Arab. Sebab dari tempat ini rencana kepulangan ke kampung 
halamannya di Cianjur, kemungkinan bisa tercapai. Beberapa kali dirinya 
menerima informasi bahwa para TKI yang tinggal di kolong jembatan akhirnya bisa 
pulang ke Indonesia tanpa biaya. Kami berharap ada pihak yang mengangkut dan 
memulangkan kami ke Indonesia, katanya.

Yang mengangkut dan memulangkan itu tak lain dari aparat Pemerintah Arab Saudi. 
Selama bertahun-tahun mereka mengangkut TKI yang telantar di kolong jembatan. 
Sebelum dideportasikan ke Indonesia, para TKI terlebih dahulu diidentifikasi. 
Jika bermasalah secara hukum, maka akan diproses sesuai hukum yang berlaku.

Ada pun yang bersih dari kasus kriminalitas, yang bersangkutan akan dimasukan 
dalam daftar hitam (black list). Kemudian dipastikan tidak akan bisa kembali 
bekerja di Arab Saudi untuk jangka waktu

[proletar] SD: Evolution Led to Genetic Variation That May Affect Diabetes, Scientist Says

Web address:
 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/
 110207165424.htm   
Evolution Led to Genetic Variation That May Affect Diabetes, Scientist Says

Sheau Yu Teddy Hsu and his colleagues have found genetic variations in a 
hormone that are linked to the way blood-sugar levels are regulated in humans. 
(Credit: Steve Fisch)

ScienceDaily (Feb. 7, 2011)  The root causes of complex diseases such as 
type-2 diabetes and obesity have been difficult to identify because the 
diseases are, well, complex. They occur at the dicey biological intersection of 
genes and environment, and, because they arose in our relatively recent past, 
it's not easy to simply compare DNA sequences from then and now to pinpoint 
likely genetic culprits.

Now researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine have identified 
genetic variations in a hormone involved in the secretion of insulin -- a 
molecule that regulates blood sugar levels -- that occur more frequently in 
some human populations than others. People with the new variants, which are 
thought to have first occurred 2,000 to 12,000 years ago, have higher fasting 
levels of blood glucose than those with the more traditional, or ancestral, 
form of the gene. High blood glucose levels are associated with the development 
of diabetes, which occurs when the body is unable to produce or respond 
properly to insulin.

The finding may help scientists better understand the subtle changes in human 
metabolism, or energy balance regulation, that occurred as our species 
shifted from being primarily hunter-gatherers to a more agriculturally based 
society. It may also help clinicians identify individuals likely to develop 
diabetes, and direct the development of new therapies for diabetes and obesity.

These studies are fascinating because it shows how much the selection process 
has affected human energy-balance regulation in just a few thousand years and 
how complex it could be for the future practice of personalized medicine, said 
Sheau Yu Teddy Hsu, PhD, assistant professor of obstetrics and gynecology and 
senior author of the study.

The research will be published online Feb. 7 in Diabetes. It follows a similar 
paper in the January issue of Genome Research that also explored the recent 
evolution of energy balance regulation, or how humans choose whether and how to 
store excess calories, among populations.

In the new paper, Hsu and his colleagues at Chang Gung Memorial Hospital in 
Taiwan and Texas AM University first identified 207 genetic regions that have 
been associated with diabetes or obesity. They then looked to see which of 
these had increased in prevalence in the time since humans began to move out of 
Africa about 60,000 years ago. They identified 59 genetic regions of particular 
interest, and homed in on those that occurred in at least 30 percent of people 
in the HapMap project -- a worldwide survey of genetic differences among 
populations. (Restricting their search to relatively common variants ensured 
that their findings would be widely applicable and would provide a more 
powerful tool to identify any associated phenotype differences.)

The researchers identified five genes with genetic differences that occurred 
frequently in Asians and/or Europeans, but infrequently in Africans. (These 
groups were pre-identified as part of the HapMap project, which sampled people 
of Nigerian, Chinese, Japanese and European ancestry.) Hsu's team selected GIP, 
one of the five genes, for further study because the GIP protein was known to 
be involved in stimulating insulin secretion in humans after a meal.

We thought GIP was the most interesting because the newly selected form occurs 
in about 50 percent of people from Europe or Asia, but in only about 5 percent 
of Africans. That indicates this gene is highly adaptable to new environments, 
said Hsu.

He and his colleagues identified three individual changes in the regulatory 
region of GIP -- that is, the DNA adjacent to the GIP gene that affects when 
and how it is translated into protein -- that reduced the levels of the 
hormone. What's more, these three also tended to occur with another mutation in 
the coding region that results in a slightly different form of the protein. 
This alternate form is degraded more slowly in human blood.

So now we know there are two different forms of the protein, which allowed one 
form to be selected in one population, and the other in a different 
population, said Hsu. But we still needed to show that these variants led to 
phenotypic differences in modern humans.

Because previous studies of GIP variants hadn't showed any conclusive 
differences among their human carriers, Hsu and his colleagues focused their 
study more narrowly on a population that is not only metabolically challenged, 
but also critical to evolutionary success: pregnant women. They found that, out 
of 123 East Asian pregnant women, those who carried two copies of the newly

[proletar] Vivaneuws: Detik-Detik Penyerangan Jamaah Ahmadiyah


Allhu akbar, teriak mereka.

http://us.video.vivanews.com/read/12934-detik-detik-penyerangan-jamaah-ahmadiyah





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[proletar] DPR anjing...


Begitu serius masaalahnya eh diserahkan kepada bangsat menteri agama untuk 
menyelesaikannnya..

Anjing tu anggota DPR..

Bangsat.

--


Senin, 07/02/2011 12:25 WIB.

DPR Serahkan Persoalan Ahmadiyah pada Kementerian Agama 
Hery Winarno - detikNews



Jakarta - Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat (DPR) menyesalkan terjadinya penyerangan 
warga kepada jamaah Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik, Pandeglang, Banten. Menteri Agama 
pun didesak menyelesaikan kasus yang mengganggu kerukunan antar umat beragama 
ini.

Yang menyangkut kehidupan antar umat beragama itu kita serahkan domainnya ke 
Menteri Agama, ujar Wakil Ketua DPR Anis Matta kepada wartawan di Gedung DPR, 
Senayan, Jakarta, Senin (7/2/2011).

Menurut Anis, bila tidak segera persoalan serupa berpotensi terulang lagi. 
Menurutnya lembaga legislatif tidak bisa berbuat banyak bila pemerintah belum 
melakukan tindakan terkait kejadian di Pandeglang.

Terkait adanya tuntutan agar Ahmadiyah dibubarkan, begitu juga dengan yang 
menginginkan agar ormas-ormas yang diduga melakukan penyerangan dibubarkan, 
Kementerian terkait diminta menuntaskan persoalan ini.

Kan dua-duanya saling menuntut kan? Menurut saya kita serahkan ke Departemen 
Agama dulu. Biar mereka yang membahasnya, mungkin juga dengan Mendagri untuk 
membahas ini dengan Menkumham, karena ini ada di domainnya mereka, imbuh 
politisi Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) ini.

Penyerangan yang dilakukan warga kepada jamaah Ahmadiyah telah mengakibatkan 3 
korban jiwa. Sejumlah barang milik jamaah juga dibakar dalam insiden tersebut.

Karena ini sudah jatuh korban. Jika ada nyawa yg dihilangkan ini kan sudah 
tindakan kriminal, atas nama apapun juga itu tidak dibenarkan. Itu harus 
diselesaikan secara hukum, tegas Anis.

(her/nwk)






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Re: [proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !

Tawang,

Kamu membela kekerasaan dengan membandingkan masalah orang lain dengan 
Indonesia. Kamu sudah ekbanyakan makan korma sampai otakmu menjadi kecil 
seperti biji korma.  Lihat ini dan renungkan  agar otakmu kembali besar sebagai 
kelapa yang sangat berguna bagi manusia di Nusantara : 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

Wass



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  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:42 AM
  Subject: [proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy 
Kemanusiaan !



  jane nasibnya minoritas Ahmadiyah itu gak beda dg Islam di Patany Thai 
Selatan atau Islam Moro Filipin.Cuman Genduk pasti bilang bahwa yg terjadi di 
Pathany dan Moro bukan nglanggar HAM.Ning nek thd Ahmadiyah pasti disebut 
nglanggar HAM.Makane saya itu gak begitu percoyo dg HAM HEM HAM HEM.

  Shalom,
  Tawangalun.

  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, muskitawati muskitawati@... wrote:
  
   Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !
   
   Sekarang baru terasa gunanya untuk memblok Youtube, karena filem 
pembantaian tiga orang jemaah Ahmadiah betul2 menggiriskan, bukan cuma di 
Indonesia, diseluruh dunia mengutuknya, kita tinggal tunggu kemampuan sang 
MenkoInfo, prestasinya ditentukan SBY disini.
   
   Rakyat Indonesia harus berdemo menuntut SBY mengabadikan tragedy ini 
sebagai duka cita Nasional sehingga tercatat dalam sejarah dan diperingati 
setiap tahun. Ini penting untuk membubarkan partai2 yang terlibat dalam 
pembunuhan keji ini.
   
   SKB itu bukan keputusan pengadilan sehingga ilegal tidak syah dan 
inkonstitutional. Membubarkan atau melarang partai pun harus melalui pengadilan 
dan melalui keputusan pengadilan bukan cuma ditanda tangani oleh menteri saja.
   
   Kalo perlu bikin demo lebih besar dari Mesir, tuntut SBY supaya turun, sama 
seperti Hosni Mubarak, belum tiba waktunya pun sudah boleh dipaksa turun karena 
melanggar konstitusi, dia korupsi dan memutar balik konstitusi dengan menanda 
tangani SKB. Dalam pembunuhan ini langsung terlibat Polisi, partai Politik, 
MUI, Menteri agama dan Presiden yang secara inkonstitutional mengabaikan 
pengadilan menanda tangani pelarangan agama yang merupakan pelanggaran HAM.
   
   Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.
  



  

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Re: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect

Mutar mutar seperti kambing gila keracunan korma busuk sambil mengebik dipadang 
pasir,  lihatlah dengan pikiran segar kebiadaban yang dikarunia Allah : 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

Allahu Akbar

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  From: ndeboost 
  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:24 AM
  Subject: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on 
religious sect

  Kkecuali Bush (dan the Graham's) perintah tuhanpun
  ga dianggap..

  Mazmur 106:34. Mereka tidak memunahkan
  bangsa-bangsa, seperti yang diperintahkan TUHAN
  kepada mereka, tetapi mereka bercampur baur dengan
  bangsa-bangsa, dan belajar cara-cara mereka bekerja

  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote:

   Kebiadaban sulit dirubah : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

   - Original Message -
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   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:47 AM
   Subject: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal
  attacks on religious sect

   Thd penyebar kebohongan mestinya demikian juga.
   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@ wrote:

Ref : Easier said than done!

http://arabnews.com/world/article253857.ece

Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect
By OLIVIA RONDONUWU | REUTERS

Published: Feb 8, 2011 01:19 Updated: Feb 8, 2011 01:19

JAKARTA: Indonesian authorities said on Monday they were
  investigating
   a brutal mob attack that killed three followers of a religious sect
   after footage of the frenzied beatings was repeatedly shown on local
  TV
   stations and social media sites.

Sunday's attack was the latest against members of the
  half-a-million
   strong Ahmadi movement, which considers itself Islamic but is
  regarded
   as heretic by mainstream Muslims.

The attacks could heighten risk concerns for foreign investors
   counting on improved religious tolerance in southeast Asia's largest
   economy and the world's most populous Muslim nation.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono called for action
   against those responsible.

I want the law enforcers to be professional and firm in
  preventing
   violence and to take action against the perpetrators, he said.

Around 1,500 people attacked the house of an Ahmadi follower in
   Pandeglang, near the capital, Jakarta, torching buildings and
  vehicles,
   local media reported.

The Ahmadis believe Mohammad was not Islam's final prophet and say
   Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded the sect in India in the 19th
  century,
   was a successor and messiah.

Video of Sunday's incident posted on Youtube by an Indonesian
  staffer
   of Human Rights Watch shows two men apparently being beaten to death
  by
   a mob shouting Allahu Akbar, or God is greatest.
  (http://bit.ly/h1dy)

Several masked or helmeted men join the beating, striking the
   half-naked victims with clubs and rocks, while dozens of others
  stand
   by, watching or filming the incident on camera phones. The faces of
  many
   are clearly identifiable.

Local TV stations on Monday repeatedly highlighted footage that
   appears to show two police officers ineffectively attempting to stop
  the
   mob attack before leaving the scene.

Police tried (to stop the violence) but there was an imbalance
   between police personnel and the mass, national police spokesman
  Boy
   Rafli Amar said.

SHOOING AWAY CHICKENS

Ahmadi group spokesman Zafrullah Pontoh said three followers were
   killed and five others were missing.

The police acted as if they were shooing away chickens, he told
   Reuters by telephone.

Indonesia's Ulema Council, the country's top Islamic authority,
  said
   it regretted the event and called for the attackers to face justice,
  but
   added Ahmadi followers who tarnish Islam should also be punished.

Analysts say a root of the conflict is a government decree of 2008
   that said Ahmadi followers could be jailed for tarnishing religion
  but
   stopped short of banning the movement. Critics say the law is
  ambiguous
   and was always likely to spark religious conflict in what is
  officially
   a secular country.

Rights groups condemned Sunday's attack.

For years, Indonesian authorities have sat idly by while mobs
  have
   violently attacked the Ahmadi, said Elaine Pearson of Human Rights
   Watch.

If the government is serious about stopping violence against the
   Ahmadis, then it should also immediately lift the 2008 decree which
   prohibits the Ahmadi from practicing their religion.

Local rights group PBHI, Indonesia's Legal Aid and Human Rights
   Association, also condemned the violence, calling it the fruit of a
   series of events provoked by a government policy,
  disintegrative-nuanced
   calls of some religious

[proletar] tahukah anda...


tahukah anda, bahwasanya saya pernah menginjak al-quran didepan keluarga saya...

merekalah saksinya...

dan well...

saya tidak tahu ada apa di benak mereka, tapi mungkin mereka semakin 
moderat...(saya lihat mereka semakin moderat)...





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[proletar] Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang bilang


Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang bilang
buku taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif itu berisi wahyu Allah
yang nota bene tidak berbukti ada.

Dan ditahun 2011 manusia berotak anjing seperti  Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, 
PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. belumjuga menyadarinya.






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[proletar] CEO Harus Jadi Penjaga Merek

JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Perang merek harus diwaspadai. Permasalahan merek bukan 
hanya menjadi perhatian manajer produk, melainkan juga harus menjadi perhatian 
para chief executive officer atau CEO. Persaingan semakin berat. CEO harus 
menjadi penjaga merek.

Demikian dikemukakan Pemimpin Redaksi Majalah Marketing PJ Rahmat Susanta dalam 
sambutan pada penyerahan penghargaan Top Brand 2011 di Jakarta, Senin 
(7/2/2011) malam. Penghargaan Top Brand adalah sebuah apresiasi terhadap 
merek-merek yang tergolong merek top. Hal itu merupakan kerja sama Frontier 
Consulting Group dan majalah Marketing.

Kriterianya didasarkan atas survei yang dilakukan Frontier Consulting Group. 
Survei dilakukan di Kota Bandung, Jakarta, Makassar, Medan, Semarang, dan 
Surabaya.

Rahmat mengatakan, Pemilihan produk yang dikategorikan sebagai Top Brand 
didasarkan pada parameter top of mind awareness (merek yang pertama kali 
terpikir oleh konsumen), last used atau terakhir kali dipakai responden, dan 
parameter future intention atau merek yang ingin dikonsumsi pada masa 
mendatang.

Pemimpin Frontier Consulting Group Handi Irawan, dalam pemaparannya, menekankan 
pentingnya membangun jaringan untuk menciptakan merek paling top. Salah satu 
kunci keberhasilan pengelolaan merek adalah mengukur kekuatan merek melalui 
survei.

Dari hasil survei Frontier Consulting Group, kategori makanan dan minuman 
berdasarkan kategorinya masing-masing diraih oleh kategori teh celup yaitu 
Sariwangi; teh hijau dalam kemasan minum yaitu Nu Green Tea, Frestea Green, dan 
Sosro Green-t; teh daun yaitu Cap Botol, dan Teh Poci, serta Cap Bendera.

Untuk kategori susu cair siap minum Ultra Milk, Frisian Flag, dan Indomilk; 
susu kental manis Frisian Flag dan Indomilk; susu bubuk dewasa berkalsium 
Anlene dan Hilo; biskuit Roma dan Biskuat; crackers Khong Guan, Oops, dan 
Trenz; kacang Garuda dan Dua Kelinci. (OSA)





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[proletar] Trotsky quote...



Everything is relative in this world, where change alone endures.
 Leon Trotsky 





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Re: [proletar] HUKUM RAJAM MASIH ADA DI NEGARA INI

bener juga !!
 video-nya udah gak bisa di click lagi
 kalo di click.. hasil auditnya begini nih 

his video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy on
shocking and disgusting content.

  Sorry about that.
 


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  johny indon sedang mencoba meng-audit video itu



On 2/8/11, ayub yahya ayubya...@yahoo.com wrote:

 semua orang waras bisa liat koq buktinya bahwa elu kerja di bank syariah

 buat ngempanin anak bini...

 sebenernya hasil keringat bar-bar kayak di video ini...



 liat nih !! hasil syariah yang elu bela mati2 an

 lu katain gw goblok..gara2 gw penasaran pengin liat video ini



 lihat nih !! video THIS IS ISLAM !!! ...  brani komen ?



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw3251jN7vc











 --- On Tue, 2/8/11, johny_indon johny_in...@yahoo.com wrote:









 semua orang waras bisa liat koq buktinya bahwa elu ketauan goblok soal audit

 bank syariah ini.



 tapi dasar kresten fundamentalis ga tau malu, malah nekat bilang gua yg

 keteter.







 dari semua omong kosong si juspik, cuman satu yg bener2 terbukti: soal

 kegoblokan elu.










 





 



  






  

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[proletar] mengapa ilmu pengetahuan akan selalu berubah


mengapa ilmu pengetahuan akan selalu berubah

Posted by alexarussia on January 16, 2011

mengapa ilmu pengetahuan akan selalu berubah

+++

so saya lanjutkan

ilmu pengetahuan, terutama fisika adalah penyelidikan manusia terhadap alam 
semesta

permasalahannya setelah saya coba berimajinasi terhadap catatan lembaran lama 
heraclitus, bahwasanya hukum yang paling pasti di alam semesta adalah perubahan 
itu sendiri

so apabila obyek penyelidikannya berubah..maka tentu ilmunya juga berubah

dalam artianilmu pengetahuan akan berubahmengikuti perubahan obyek
penyelidikannya sendiri yg tak lain adalah alam semestayg selalu berubah 
secara dinamis..



dan mengulang dari artikel berjudul asal-usul-usil pikiran

darimana asal usul pikiran kita?

karl marx mengatakan dari alam semesta

dalam artian kalau anda tinggal di semesta lain,maka anda akan berpikir lain

atau kalau hukum-hukum fisika berubah,maka mengakibatkan pikiran-pikiran manusia
yang menjadi bagian alam semesta juga akan berubah



tapi kita bukan seorang penakut pecandu takhyul metafisika

yang lantas masturbasi ke paham metafisika akibat ketidakmampuan memahami 
kerumitan sistem alam semesta ini

materialisme dialektik punya penjelasan yg bagus dari kerumitan yang terjadi di 
alam semesta

perubahan dinamis alam semesta bisa dijelaskan, karena setiap obyek di alam 
semesta ini bergerak (matter in motion), selalu berdialektika
sehingga mengakibatkan kombinasi-kombinasi kompleks dari sifat-sifat alam 
semesta



kita yang berusaha memahami materialisme dialektik

pahamsecara umum

alam semesta ini selalu mengalami perubahan yang dinamis

namun secara khusus,perubahan apa yang terjadi,perlu kita selidiki lebih detail

tapi kita bangga, bahwa heraclitus dengan cemerlang mengurai hukum yang paling
abadi di alam semesta yaitu perubahan yang dinamis

dan tidak meloco kepaham metafisika/supernatural


jakarta, 16 January 2011

Wawan Setiawan gelar Al Kafirun Jaya





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[proletar] The ABC of Materialist Dialectics


Leon Trotsky

Dialectic is neither fiction nor mysticism, but a science of the forms of our 
thinking insofar as it is not limited to the daily problems of life but 
attempts to arrive at an understanding of more complicated and drawn-out 
processes. The dialectic and formal logic bear a relationship similar to that 
between higher and lower mathematics.

I will here attempt to sketch the substance of the problem in a very concrete 
form. The Aristotelian logic of the simple syllogism starts from the 
proposition that `A' is equal to `A'. This postulate is accepted as an axiom 
for a multitude of practical human actions and elementary generalisations. But 
in reality `A' is not equal to `A'. This is easy to prove if we observe these 
two letters under a lensthey are quite different from each other. But, one can 
object, the question is not of the size or the form of the letters, since they 
are only symbols for equal quantities, for instance, a pound of sugar. The 
objection is beside the point; in reality a pound of sugar is never equal to a 
pound of sugara more delicate scale always discloses a difference. Again one 
can object: but a pound of sugar is equal to itself. Neither is this trueall 
bodies change uninterruptedly in size, weight, colour, etc. They are never 
equal to themselves. A sophist will respond that a pound of sugar is equal to 
itself at any given moment.

Aside from the extremely dubious practical value of this axiom, it does not 
withstand theoretical criticism either. How should we really conceive the word 
moment? If it is an infinitesimal interval of time, then a pound of sugar is 
subjected during the course of that moment to inevitable changes. Or is the 
moment a purely mathematical abstraction, that is, a zero of time? But 
everything exists in time; and existence itself is an uninterrupted process of 
transformation; time is consequently a fundamental element of existence. Thus 
the axiom `A' is equal to `A' signifies that a thing is equal to itself if it 
does not change, that is, if it does not exist.

At first glance it could seem that these subtleties are useless. In reality 
they are of decisive significance. The axiom `A' is equal to `A' appears on one 
hand to be the point of departure for all our knowledge, on the other hand the 
point of departure for all the errors in our knowledge. To make use of the 
axiom of `A' is equal to `A' with impunity is possible only within certain 
limits. When quantitative changes in `A' are negligible for the task at hand 
then we can presume that `A' is equal to `A'. This is, for example, the manner 
in which a buyer and a seller consider a pound of sugar. We consider the 
temperature of the sun likewise. Until recently we consider the buying power of 
the dollar in the same way. But quantitative changes beyond certain limits 
become converted into qualitative. A pound of sugar subjected to the action of 
water or kerosene ceases to be a pound of sugar. A dollar in the embrace of a 
president ceases to be a dollar. To determine at the right moment the critical 
point where quantity changes into quality is one of the most important and 
difficult tasks in all the spheres of knowledge including sociology.

Every worker knows that it is impossible to make two completely equal objects. 
In the elaboration of baring-brass into cone bearings, a certain deviation is 
allowed for the cones which should not, however, go beyond certain limits (this 
is called tolerance). By observing the norms of tolerance, the cones are 
considered as being equal. (`A' is equal to `A'). When the tolerance is 
exceeded the quantity goes over into quality; in other words, the cone bearings 
become inferior or completely worthless.

Our scientific thinking is only a part of our general practice including 
techniques. For concepts there also exits tolerance which is established not 
by formal logic issuing from the axiom `A' is equal to `A', but by the 
dialectical logic issuing from the axiom that everything is always changing. 
Common sense is characterised by the fact that it systematically exceeds 
dialectical tolerance.

Vulgar thought operates with such concepts as capitalism, morals, freedom, 
workers' state, etc as fixed abstractions, presuming that capitalism is equal 
to capitalism. Morals are equal to morals, etc. Dialectical thinking analyses 
all things and phenomena in their continuous change, while determining in the 
material conditions of those changes that critical limit beyond which `A' 
ceases to be `A', a workers' state ceases to be a workers' state.

The fundamental flaw of vulgar thought lies in the fact that it wishes to 
content itself with motionless imprints of a reality which consists of eternal 
motion. Dialectical thinking gives to concepts, by means of closer 
approximations, corrections, concretisation, a richness of content and 
flexibility; I would even say a succulence which to a certain extent brings 
them closer to living

Re: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect

Apa urusan Bush dengan Indonesia?  

  - Original Message - 
  From: ndeboost 
  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:24 AM
  Subject: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on 
religious sect

  Kkecuali Bush (dan the Graham's) perintah tuhanpun
  ga dianggap..

  Mazmur 106:34. Mereka tidak memunahkan
  bangsa-bangsa, seperti yang diperintahkan TUHAN
  kepada mereka, tetapi mereka bercampur baur dengan
  bangsa-bangsa, dan belajar cara-cara mereka bekerja

  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote:

   Kebiadaban sulit dirubah : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

   - Original Message -
   From: ndeboost
   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:47 AM
   Subject: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal
  attacks on religious sect

   Thd penyebar kebohongan mestinya demikian juga.
   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@ wrote:

Ref : Easier said than done!

http://arabnews.com/world/article253857.ece

Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect
By OLIVIA RONDONUWU | REUTERS

Published: Feb 8, 2011 01:19 Updated: Feb 8, 2011 01:19

JAKARTA: Indonesian authorities said on Monday they were
  investigating
   a brutal mob attack that killed three followers of a religious sect
   after footage of the frenzied beatings was repeatedly shown on local
  TV
   stations and social media sites.

Sunday's attack was the latest against members of the
  half-a-million
   strong Ahmadi movement, which considers itself Islamic but is
  regarded
   as heretic by mainstream Muslims.

The attacks could heighten risk concerns for foreign investors
   counting on improved religious tolerance in southeast Asia's largest
   economy and the world's most populous Muslim nation.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono called for action
   against those responsible.

I want the law enforcers to be professional and firm in
  preventing
   violence and to take action against the perpetrators, he said.

Around 1,500 people attacked the house of an Ahmadi follower in
   Pandeglang, near the capital, Jakarta, torching buildings and
  vehicles,
   local media reported.

The Ahmadis believe Mohammad was not Islam's final prophet and say
   Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded the sect in India in the 19th
  century,
   was a successor and messiah.

Video of Sunday's incident posted on Youtube by an Indonesian
  staffer
   of Human Rights Watch shows two men apparently being beaten to death
  by
   a mob shouting Allahu Akbar, or God is greatest.
  (http://bit.ly/h1dy)

Several masked or helmeted men join the beating, striking the
   half-naked victims with clubs and rocks, while dozens of others
  stand
   by, watching or filming the incident on camera phones. The faces of
  many
   are clearly identifiable.

Local TV stations on Monday repeatedly highlighted footage that
   appears to show two police officers ineffectively attempting to stop
  the
   mob attack before leaving the scene.

Police tried (to stop the violence) but there was an imbalance
   between police personnel and the mass, national police spokesman
  Boy
   Rafli Amar said.

SHOOING AWAY CHICKENS

Ahmadi group spokesman Zafrullah Pontoh said three followers were
   killed and five others were missing.

The police acted as if they were shooing away chickens, he told
   Reuters by telephone.

Indonesia's Ulema Council, the country's top Islamic authority,
  said
   it regretted the event and called for the attackers to face justice,
  but
   added Ahmadi followers who tarnish Islam should also be punished.

Analysts say a root of the conflict is a government decree of 2008
   that said Ahmadi followers could be jailed for tarnishing religion
  but
   stopped short of banning the movement. Critics say the law is
  ambiguous
   and was always likely to spark religious conflict in what is
  officially
   a secular country.

Rights groups condemned Sunday's attack.

For years, Indonesian authorities have sat idly by while mobs
  have
   violently attacked the Ahmadi, said Elaine Pearson of Human Rights
   Watch.

If the government is serious about stopping violence against the
   Ahmadis, then it should also immediately lift the 2008 decree which
   prohibits the Ahmadi from practicing their religion.

Local rights group PBHI, Indonesia's Legal Aid and Human Rights
   Association, also condemned the violence, calling it the fruit of a
   series of events provoked by a government policy,
  disintegrative-nuanced
   calls of some religious authorities and the lack of law
  enforcement.

The case of the Ahmadi has divided Indonesia, an archipelago of
  over
   17,000 islands and home to around 240 million

[proletar] Materialisme...


Saya sadar bahwasanya manusia dan ilmu pengetahuan alam, tidak akan pernah bisa 
mengurai kinerja alam semesta dengan tuntas,
karena alam semesta selalu bergerak dan berubah secara dinamis...

namun lantas saya tidak ketakutan dan menganggap perubahan dinamis tersebut 
akibat digerakan oleh kekuatan supernatural...

materialisme punya penjelasan bahwa setiap obyek/materi/physic di alam semesta 
selalu bergerak, dan berdialektika secara natural...

akibat setiap materi/physical bergerak dan berdialektika...(matter in motion) 
maka mengakibatkan alam semesta selalu mempunyai komposisi yang unik detik demi 
detik (di setiap waktunya) dan tidak mungkin terulang kembali...

---

wawan setiawan
8-Feb-1011





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[proletar] Lev Trotsky quote....



You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
 Leon Trotsky 





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[proletar] pencipta tuhan...

pada mulanya...
tuhan diciptakan oleh sejarah...(wawan setiawan)





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Re: [proletar] HUKUM RAJAM MASIH ADA DI NEGARA INI

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik a . widura

Tadi abis search di youtube pakai key words ahmadiah cikeusik...buset yg 
muncul...serem seremtahun 2011masih ada pemandangan seperti itu
-Original Message-
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:23:39 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [proletar] HUKUM RAJAM MASIH ADA DI NEGARA INI

bener juga !!
 video-nya udah gak bisa di click lagi
 kalo di click.. hasil auditnya begini nih 

his video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy on
shocking and disgusting content.

  Sorry about that.

--- On Tue, 2/8/11, David Silalahi davidfr76...@gmail.com wrote:

  johny indon sedang mencoba meng-audit video itu

On 2/8/11, ayub yahya ayubya...@yahoo.com wrote:

 semua orang waras bisa liat koq buktinya bahwa elu kerja di bank syariah

 buat ngempanin anak bini...

 sebenernya hasil keringat bar-bar kayak di video ini...

 liat nih !! hasil syariah yang elu bela mati2 an

 lu katain gw goblok..gara2 gw penasaran pengin liat video ini

 lihat nih !! video THIS IS ISLAM !!! ...  brani komen ?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw3251jN7vc

 --- On Tue, 2/8/11, johny_indon johny_in...@yahoo.com wrote:

 semua orang waras bisa liat koq buktinya bahwa elu ketauan goblok soal audit

 bank syariah ini.

 tapi dasar kresten fundamentalis ga tau malu, malah nekat bilang gua yg

 keteter.

 dari semua omong kosong si juspik, cuman satu yg bener2 terbukti: soal

 kegoblokan elu.

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Re: [proletar] DPR anjing...

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik a . widura

Untuk ngatasin gerombolan itu, Indonesia cuma perlu Suharto...
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:29:47 
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Subject: [proletar] DPR anjing...

Begitu serius masaalahnya eh diserahkan kepada bangsat menteri agama untuk 
menyelesaikannnya..

Anjing tu anggota DPR..

Bangsat.

--

Senin, 07/02/2011 12:25 WIB.

DPR Serahkan Persoalan Ahmadiyah pada Kementerian Agama 
Hery Winarno - detikNews

Jakarta - Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat (DPR) menyesalkan terjadinya penyerangan 
warga kepada jamaah Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik, Pandeglang, Banten. Menteri Agama 
pun didesak menyelesaikan kasus yang mengganggu kerukunan antar umat beragama 
ini.

Yang menyangkut kehidupan antar umat beragama itu kita serahkan domainnya ke 
Menteri Agama, ujar Wakil Ketua DPR Anis Matta kepada wartawan di Gedung DPR, 
Senayan, Jakarta, Senin (7/2/2011).

Menurut Anis, bila tidak segera persoalan serupa berpotensi terulang lagi. 
Menurutnya lembaga legislatif tidak bisa berbuat banyak bila pemerintah belum 
melakukan tindakan terkait kejadian di Pandeglang.

Terkait adanya tuntutan agar Ahmadiyah dibubarkan, begitu juga dengan yang 
menginginkan agar ormas-ormas yang diduga melakukan penyerangan dibubarkan, 
Kementerian terkait diminta menuntaskan persoalan ini.

Kan dua-duanya saling menuntut kan? Menurut saya kita serahkan ke Departemen 
Agama dulu. Biar mereka yang membahasnya, mungkin juga dengan Mendagri untuk 
membahas ini dengan Menkumham, karena ini ada di domainnya mereka, imbuh 
politisi Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) ini.

Penyerangan yang dilakukan warga kepada jamaah Ahmadiyah telah mengakibatkan 3 
korban jiwa. Sejumlah barang milik jamaah juga dibakar dalam insiden tersebut.

Karena ini sudah jatuh korban. Jika ada nyawa yg dihilangkan ini kan sudah 
tindakan kriminal, atas nama apapun juga itu tidak dibenarkan. Itu harus 
diselesaikan secara hukum, tegas Anis.

(her/nwk)

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Re: [proletar] pencipta tuhan...

karena tuhan baek maka manusia wajib menyembah dan bertaqwa,
ketentuan menyembah dan bertaqwa sudah sdh tertulis.

bagi yang melanggar dan membuat cara sendiri... rajam hukumnya




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  kemudian sejarah menuliskan bahwa manusia menyatakan kalau tuhan itu baik.

yang enggak percaya tuhan itu baik maka akan dibunuh



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 pada mulanya...

 tuhan diciptakan oleh sejarah...(wawan setiawan)








 





 



  






  

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Re: [proletar]Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !

perhatiin dan dengerin baek2 suara ustadz yg khotbah itu...
mirip penjual jamu pinggir2 pasar...

hebatnya !!.. orang seperti itu bisa punya kharisma

menyedihkan

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  Tawang,



Kamu membela kekerasaan dengan membandingkan masalah orang lain dengan 
Indonesia. Kamu sudah ekbanyakan makan korma sampai otakmu menjadi kecil 
seperti biji korma.  Lihat ini dan renungkan  agar otakmu kembali besar sebagai 
kelapa yang sangat berguna bagi manusia di Nusantara : 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4



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[proletar] FW: Press Release Gerakan Solidaritas Kebebasan Beragama di Indonesia

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik blubps

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Kepada Yth;

Bpk/Ibu/Teman Sevisi GSKBI

GSKBI lahir di Senin hitam pada tanggal 7 Februari 2011 menyusul  pembunuhan 
tiga
warga Ahmadiyah yang telah dibantai oleh oknum-oknum tidak bertanggung  jawab di
Desa Cikeusik, Pandeglang, Banten.

Peristiwa ini menandai permulaan dari kehancuran dasar negara Indonesia,  yaitu
Bhinneka Tunggal Ika dan makin pudarnya solidaritas kebebasan beragama  di
Indonesia yang telah lama menjadi model dunia untuk toleransi dan  harmoni dalam
kehidupan antar umat beragama yang berbeda tetapi dapat menemukan titik
persamaan sehingga mampu hidup berdampingan dalam kedamaian.

Gerakan ini dimaksud untuk mengajak Bapak, Ibu dan teman-teman yang  prihatin 
dan
memiliki visi yang sama dengan kami, yaitu mendukung kehidupan damai dan  
tentram
bagi semua rakyat Indonesia beragama apapun seperti yang diinginkan oleh  para
pelopor NKRI dan yang masih kita semua inginkan sekarang, 65 tahun  kemudian.

Silahkan Bapak, Ibu dan teman-teman apabila ingin menyebarluaskan pesan  dari
gerakan ini yang intinya untuk menanamkan kembali atau mengingat dan  
menjalankan
kembali kehidupan toleransi antar umat beragama yang dulu selama  bertahun tahun
kita nikmati dan saat ini sudah semakin hilang dikarenakan teror dari  pihak
tertentu yang menunggangi ini, yang ingin merusak NKRI dan mengubahnya  demi
kepentingan golongannya sendiri.

Berikan arti bagi kepergian tiga warga Ahmadiyah sebagai permulaan  gerakan
penolakan kontrol dan tirani para teroris kebebasan beragama di  Indonesia dan
juga gerakan penyadaran diri para penguasa Negara yang terus diam  menyaksikan
kejadian demi kejadian brutal yg telah menjadikan rakyat Indonesia  semakin
merasa takut dan tidak aman tinggal di negaranya sendiri, di rumahnya  sendiri.

Cara-cara yang dapat Bapak/Ibu/Teman-teman dapat lakukan untuk  penyebaran pesan
GSKBI antara lain adalah:

a. membuat profile picture di facebook atau jaringan sosial lainnya  dengan
gambar yang tersedia disini:
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs048.snc6/167834_101503747956751\

62_775165161_17201025_4463416_n.jpg

atau

http://bit.ly/hsYAS1

b. Mengubah status facebook menjadi “Mari dukung Gerakan Solidaritas  Kebebasan
Beragama di Indonesia – GSKBI” atau sebarluaskan via twitter pesan yang  sama 
dan
memakai hashtag #GSKBI

c. Menulis dalam blog-blog apabila memiliki blog, mengenai gerakan ini  dan juga
ajakan kepada para pembaca blog anda semua untuk melakukan hal yang  sama.

Silakan email (Nama, Alamat,Telp/HP) ke kami melalui alamat email
solidaritasberagamaindonesia@... apabila Bapak/Ibu/ Teman-teman memiliki
ide yang lain atau sekedar dukungan atau shoutout kepada kami agar kami  tahu
bahwa kami tidak sendiri dalam hal ini.

Terima kasih atas perhatiannya, kami tunggu kehadiran anda semua dalam
penyebaran pesan GSKBI dan semoga melalui gerakan ini ada perubahan di  Negara
kita tercinta, sekecil apapun perubahan itu tetapi itu sangat berarti  bagi
kelangsungan toleransi kehidupan beragama di Indonesia.

Mengapa gerakan ini penting sekali? Karena hari ini korban teror dan  kebejatan
ini adalah warga Ahmadiyah tetapi apabila kita diam membisu terus  menerus, 
besok
korban berikutnya bisa jadi salah satu di antara kita, atau siapa saja  warga
Republik Indonesia yang seharusnya memiliki hak yang sama sebagai warga  RI.

Terima kasih atas perhatian dan kerjasamanya, Ide dan sumbang saran  setiap saat
kami tunggu, demi menuju ke Indonesia yang lebih baik.

Brussel, 7 Februari 2011,
Nick



  

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[proletar] BBC: Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches


Masih ada orang yang sanggup bilang Islam di di Indonesia itu  toleran?

BBC News Asia-Pacific

8 February 2011 Last updated at 12:21 GMT


Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches

Burning vehicles at the Christian Pentecostal Church in Temanggung Two churches 
were set on fire and a third was damaged in Temanggung, central Java


More than 1,000 Muslim protesters have stormed a courthouse and burned two 
churches in central Java, Indonesia.

The attacks in Temanggung happened after a Christian man was sentenced to five 
years in jail for distributing leaflets deemed insulting to Islam.

Indonesian police said the crowd considered the sentence too lenient and were 
demanding the death penalty.

The incident came two days after Muslim villagers in western Java killed three 
members of a minority Islamic sect.

A police spokesman told the BBC that the angry crowd began attacking the court 
building in Temanggung after the verdict was read out.

The violence spread to surrounding neighbourhoods where two churches were set 
on fire and a third was damaged.

Police fired warning shots into the air to disperse the crowds.
'Extremist groups'

In a separate development, a video has emerged of Sunday's deadly attack on 
members of the minority Ahmadiyah Muslim sect.

The footage apparently show how a group of about 20 men were forced by an angry 
crowd to strip before they were beaten so violently that several died.

The Ahmadiyah sect has been labelled by the government as deviant, but is not 
banned.

A body which advises the US government on religious freedom has said Indonesia 
must act against extremist attacks.

Indonesia is a tolerant county that should be more intolerant of extremist 
groups. It's time the Indonesian government brings them to account for the 
violence and hatred they spread, said Leonard Leo, chair of the US Commission 
on International Religious Freedom.

Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population but it is a secular nation.

International human rights groups say more hardline fringe groups have been 
harassing religious minorities in recent years. The Indonesian president has 
been criticised for not doing enough to protect the rights of all citizens.






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[proletar] Jangan lupa yang membantai anggota PKI tahun 1965 adalaha orang Islam juga


Jangan lupa yang membantai ratusan ribu (jutaan?) anggota PKI tahun 1965-1966 
terutama adalah orang Islam juga.

Tawang termasuk orang yang dididik oleh serdadu untuk membunuhi pendukung Orde 
Lama.

Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang sungguh biadab, kejam, keji,  zalim, 
ganas lagi biadab.

Mengerikan.






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[proletar] Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti

Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti
Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang
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[proletar] Apa Suryana masih bersedia menjilat pantat orang Islam disini?


Apa Suryana masih bersedia menjilat pantat orang Islam disini?







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[proletar] Ahmadiyah...

Kejadian tragis penyerangan warga Ahmadiyah di Banten merupakan kejadian yang 
terburuk setelah penyerangan tahun 2001, 2002, dan 2006.  Kejadian penyerangan 
di Kuningan mengakibatkan 4 orang luka2, penyerangan di Lombok merenggut 1 
nyawa, kejadian di Banten mengakibatkan 3 orang tewas.  The worst attack on 
Ahmadiyah sect.

Presiden Yudhoyono menyatakan penyesalan dan memerintahkan aparat kepolisian 
untuk menyelidiki dan menghukum pelaku, tapi masyarakat pesimis terhadap 
instruksi Presiden Yudhoyono kepada aparat penegak hukum akan bisa positif.  

Sudah belasan kali terjadi kekerasan terhadap warga Ahmadiyah di Makasar, 
Lombok, Kuningan, Parung, tapi tidak pernah ada yang ditangkap dan diadili oleh 
aparat penegak hukum dibawah pemerintahan Presiden Yudhoyono.

Pada saat pemerintahan Presiden Gus Dur dan Presiden Megawati, warga Ahmadiyah 
tidak mendapatkan gangguan dan bisa menjalankan ibadah sesuai dengan 
kepercayaan mereka.  Gangguan dan kekerasan terjadi ke warga Ahmadiyah setelah 
fatwa dari MUI menyatakan Ahmadiyah adalah agama sesat pada tahun 2005, sesudah 
Yudhoyono naik menjadi presiden tahu 2004.

Sejak keluar fatwa MUI tersebut, kekerasan terhadap warga Ahmadiyah meningkat 
pesat dan pemerintah Yudhoyono tidak pernah melakukan tindakan apa2 untuk 
mencegah teror dan kekerasan ini terjadi.  State sponsored terrorism.

Apakah pemerintah Yudhoyono mendukung teror terhadap minoritas?

Departemen Agama, sebagai institusi negara, sudah menyatakan bahwa Ahmadiyah 
adalah agama sesat dan menghimbau warga Ahmadiyah untuk 'bertobat'.  Setelah 
MUI dan Departemen Agama menyatakan Ahmadiyah agama sesat, maka kekerasan dan 
penindasan terhadap warga Ahmadiyah seolah-olah mendapat legitimasi dari 
pemerintah, sehingga tidak pernah ada pelaku yang ditangkap dan dihukum.

Lucunya, atau ironisnya, setiap kekerasan dan penindasan terjadi terhadap warga 
Ahmadiyah Presiden Yudhoyono selalu mengatakan 'penyesalan' dan 'akan 
menyelidiki dan menangkap pelakunya' tanpa pernah menepati janjinya.  Kalo 
institusi negara memakai dan menggunakan sedikit akal sehat, tentunya sudah 
jelas bisa disimpulkan bahwa pemerintah Yudhoyono mendukung teror terhadap 
minoritas.

Secara jujur akan sangat kecil kemungkinan Presiden Yudhoyono berani melakukan 
tindakan drastis, seperti enough is enough, kepada warga yang melakukan 
penindasan dan kekerasaan terhadap kaum minoritas.  Sudah puluhan, mungkin 
ratusan, gereja dibakar oleh warga tanpa ada tindakan apa-apa dari pemerintah 
Yudhoyono.

Semua sudah tahu bahwa Konstitusi Indonesia melindungi dan menjamin kebebasan 
beragama dan kebebasan pendapat semua warga Indonesia.  Negara tidak seharusnya 
'mengijinkan' kekerasan dan penindasan kriminal karena hanya perbedaan agama 
dan perbedaan pandangan.

Agama Ahmadiyah tidak diakui oleh pemerintah, tapi eksistensi warga Ahmadiyah 
sebagai warga negara Indonesia harus tetap dibela.  Kita membela dan 
mempertahankan warga Ahamdiyah sebagai warga negara Indonesia yang dijamin hak 
nya oleh konstitusi, bukan karena setuju dengan agama atau ideologinya.

Sangat tragis sekali pemerintah Yudhoyono tidak bisa menjalankan tugasnya 
melindungi kewajiban konstitusinalnya untuk melindungi seluruh rakyat Indonesia 
seperti sumpahnya ketika disumpah menjadi Presiden Republik Indonesia.


ps.
(Readers' Form The Jakarta Post)

There are two options for Ahmadiyah: Say that Muhammad is the last prophet or, 
if you not able to do so, then do not say that you are a Muslim.
There are many Islamic groups in Indonesia, and they don't fight with each 
other because they believe in one God and also believe that Muhammad is the 
last prophet.
End of problem.

JOHN
ISRAEL


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[proletar] Angket anjing di Republika..


Konflik antara penganut Ahmadiyah dan umat Islam kembali terjadi. Manakah dari 
opsi berikut yang menurut Anda terbaik diambil pemerintah untuk menyelesaikan 
permasalahan Ahmadiyah?

-   Melarang penyebaran ajaran Ahmadiyah sesuai SKB 3 Menteri

-  Menjadikan ajaran Ahmadiyah sebagai aliran kepercayaan dengan menanggalkan 
atribut Islam

- Membubarkan Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) dan menyatakannya aliran sesat

Tidak terbuka kesempatan bagi yang menginginkan kebebasan beragama untuk 
memilih buat mengakui hak Jemmaah Ahmadiyah untuk mengatakan bahwa mereka itu 
adalah penganut agama Islam.






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[proletar] Re: Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang bilang

orang tuanya sendiri dikatakan membaca buku taik anjing?
masya allah...

either, si tua bangka sialan jusfiq lagi stone berat or, emang gila beneran...

saya sih prefer mengatakan jusfiq lagi stone berat, karena dia sendiri mengaku 
menghisap ganja dan minum alkohol setiap hari, tapi 70% warga prol bilang 
jusfiq memang udah gila.

nggak tau deh mana yang bener, si tua bangka jusfiq stone berat atau gila 
beneran...???

mana yang bener menurut anda, fiq?



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 Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang bilang
 buku taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif itu berisi wahyu Allah
 yang nota bene tidak berbukti ada.
 
 Dan ditahun 2011 manusia berotak anjing seperti  Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, 
 PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. belumjuga menyadarinya.







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[proletar] Re: Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang bilan


rezameutia yang dungu kayak anjing dan hidup sengsara karena sudah gila dan 
sedang menjalani terapi dan cuma bisa memakai kontolnya buat berfikir cuap-cuap 
lagi kayak nonok bebek yang baru dientotin monyet bonobo semùbari menyebar 
dusta dan fitnah...


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, rezameutia rezameutia@... wrote:

 orang tuanya sendiri dikatakan membaca buku taik anjing?
 masya allah...
 
 either, si tua bangka sialan jusfiq lagi stone berat or, emang gila beneran...
 
 saya sih prefer mengatakan jusfiq lagi stone berat, karena dia sendiri 
 mengaku menghisap ganja dan minum alkohol setiap hari, tapi 70% warga prol 
 bilang jusfiq memang udah gila.
 
 nggak tau deh mana yang bener, si tua bangka jusfiq stone berat atau gila 
 beneran...???
 
 mana yang bener menurut anda, fiq?
 
 
 
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
 
  
  Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang 
  bilang
  buku taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif itu berisi wahyu 
  Allah
  yang nota bene tidak berbukti ada.
  
  Dan ditahun 2011 manusia berotak anjing seperti  Dipo, johny-indon, 
  ndeboost, PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. belumjuga 
  menyadarinya.
 







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[proletar] Re: Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang bilan

lhaaa..., saya kan cuma tanya sama anda mana yang bener, saya atau warga prol?




--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... wrote:

 
 rezameutia yang dungu kayak anjing dan hidup sengsara karena sudah gila dan 
 sedang menjalani terapi dan cuma bisa memakai kontolnya buat berfikir 
 cuap-cuap lagi kayak nonok bebek yang baru dientotin monyet bonobo semùbari 
 menyebar dusta dan fitnah...
 
 
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, rezameutia rezameutia@ wrote:
 
  orang tuanya sendiri dikatakan membaca buku taik anjing?
  masya allah...
  
  either, si tua bangka sialan jusfiq lagi stone berat or, emang gila 
  beneran...
  
  saya sih prefer mengatakan jusfiq lagi stone berat, karena dia sendiri 
  mengaku menghisap ganja dan minum alkohol setiap hari, tapi 70% warga prol 
  bilang jusfiq memang udah gila.
  
  nggak tau deh mana yang bener, si tua bangka jusfiq stone berat atau gila 
  beneran...???
  
  mana yang bener menurut anda, fiq?
  
  
  
  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
  
   
   Nenek moyang orang Indonesia sudah kena kibul orang Arab primitif yang 
   bilang
   buku taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif itu berisi wahyu 
   Allah
   yang nota bene tidak berbukti ada.
   
   Dan ditahun 2011 manusia berotak anjing seperti  Dipo, johny-indon, 
   ndeboost, PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. belumjuga 
   menyadarinya.
  
 







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[proletar] Isi otak Jusfiq sangat busuk dan nista...

Isi otaknya Jusfiq itu sangat busuk dan nista.  Lebih busuk dan lebih nista 
dari taik.
Masak dikatakan orang tuanya, bahkan nenek moyangnya, membaca buku taik anjing?

Orang macam apa itu yang tega menghina orang tua dan nenek moyangnya sendiri?

Bagus si anjing tua nggak dikasih anak ama Tuhan karena 'too stone to fuck'.  
Bayangin coba kalo si anjing tua dikasih anak?!  Bisa bunuh diri ditempat tuh 
anaknya saking malunya punya bapak yang idiot dan memalukan seperti Jusfiq 
Hadjar.





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Re: [proletar] Angket anjing di Republika..

Itu artinya angket tsb mengajak secara tdk lsg utk mengatur keyakinan
orang lain.

Sama seperti menteri agama yang menyuruh ahmadiah membuat agama baru
saja, artinya mentri mencoba mengatur keyakinan org lain. Negara sudah
mencoba mengatur urusan keyakinan. Ini ngawur habis

si menteri itu sendiri juga pasti gak mau kalau keyakinannya diatur
oleh negara atau oleh org lain. Dasar menteri ngawur

On 2/8/11, Jusfiq kesayangan.al...@gmail.com wrote:

 Konflik antara penganut Ahmadiyah dan umat Islam kembali terjadi. Manakah
 dari opsi berikut yang menurut Anda terbaik diambil pemerintah untuk
 menyelesaikan permasalahan Ahmadiyah?

 -   Melarang penyebaran ajaran Ahmadiyah sesuai SKB 3 Menteri

 -  Menjadikan ajaran Ahmadiyah sebagai aliran kepercayaan dengan
 menanggalkan atribut Islam

 - Membubarkan Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) dan menyatakannya aliran
 sesat

 Tidak terbuka kesempatan bagi yang menginginkan kebebasan beragama untuk
 memilih buat mengakui hak Jemmaah Ahmadiyah untuk mengatakan bahwa mereka
 itu adalah penganut agama Islam.





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[proletar] Orang tua rezameutia yang juga dungu kayak anjing itu tidak memberikan ...


Orang tua rezameutia  yang dungu kayak anjing, seperti juga orang tua peserta 
mailing list ini yang beragama Islam kayak Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, PAREWA 
AREWA, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. tidak sanggup memberikan pendidikan yang 
memadai kepada anaknya yang tentu saja jadi dungu kayak anjing seperti orang 
tuanya dan berpengetahuan dangkal kayak comberan dimusim kemarau di Jakarta.

Bayangin, begitu cetek pengetahuan rezameutia itu hingga Afrika Selatan 
dikatakannya negeri bule, bahasa Inggerisnya juga acak-acakan hingga dia tidak 
tahu apa arti kata legendary.

Kesanggupannnya juga terutama terbatas ngomong tentang sepak bola dan musik 
dan, menurut Suryana tukang jilat pantat orang Islam, ngedongeng..

Disamping itu orang tua rezameutia yang memang dungu kayak anjing itu juga 
membiarkan anaknya yang memang suka mikir pake kontol itu menjadikan buku taik 
anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif sebagai kitab suci.

rezameutia juga tidak dilatih oleh orang tuanya yang memang dungu-dungu kayak 
anjing itu memakai otaknya buat berfikir, dia tidak dilatih untuk berfikir 
kritis. 

Dia tidak dilatih untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya.

Dia dilatih buat biasa bersikap seperti anjing budug lapar dihadapan taik 
angat: diajar untuk melahap apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya dan kayak 
bebek, dia suka ikut apa yang dilakukan orang lain, tanpa mikir, seperti naik 
haji sembari muter-muter kayak orang gila disekeliling Kaabah dan nyambit setan 
yang nggak ada di padang pasir sono.

Selanjutnya...

Di abad ke XXI ini, berkat kemajuan teknologi, rezameutia juga punya akses ke 
internet dan sempat
melihat
kenyataan lain yang pahit lagi menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang lain di
internet: ajaran agama Islam yang dianutnya dan yang dikiranya berdasarkan
kebenaran dan berdasarkan wahyu dari Allah itu ternyata cuman berdasarkan
omong
kosong dan kibulan hasil khayalan orang Arab primitif.

Karena dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya untuk berfikir dan untuk
mempertanyakan apa yang dia yakini selama ini maka dia bingung dihadapan
kenyataan itu: groggy.

Dia jadi gila.

Gila dan lantas kalap.

Lalu dia jadi tukang fitnah dan penyebar dusta.

Karena saya bercerita bahwa saya pernah mengisap ganja satu kali, maka saya 
difitnhnya junkie.

Dan karena saya menurutkan nasehat berbagai lembaga kesehatan di Eropa yang 
menganjurkan orang untuk mengikuti diet mediteranian yang antara lain terdiri 
dari dua atautiga gelas anggur tiap hari maka saya difitnahnya alkoholik.

Berbeda dengan orang Islam lain yang juga sudah pada jadi gila, rezameutia 
memang bersedia menjalani terapi.

Tapi hasilnya tetap saja sama: rezameutia tetap saja cuma bisa memakai 
kontolnya buat berfikir dan buah fikirannnya, tidak mengherankan,  tetap saja 
terutam najis seperti fitnah dan dusta.

Kasihan saya melihatnya.

 





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[proletar] Re: Isi otak Jusfiq sangat busuk dan nista...


Dan betul, seperti juga kebanyakanorang Indonesia, orang tua saya membaca buku 
taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif itu.

Dan bagusnya, karena orang tua saya yang adalah orang-orang yang cerdas, tidak 
henti-hentinya mereka mempertanyakan kebenaran isi buku taik anjing al-Mushaf 
itu...

Dan kami juga merasa senang karena orang tua kami mendorongkami untuk selalu 
berfikir dengan kritis.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, rezameutia rezameutia@... wrote:

 Isi otaknya Jusfiq itu sangat busuk dan nista.  Lebih busuk dan lebih nista 
 dari taik.
 Masak dikatakan orang tuanya, bahkan nenek moyangnya, membaca buku taik 
 anjing?
 
 Orang macam apa itu yang tega menghina orang tua dan nenek moyangnya sendiri?
 
 Bagus si anjing tua nggak dikasih anak ama Tuhan karena 'too stone to fuck'.  
 Bayangin coba kalo si anjing tua dikasih anak?!  Bisa bunuh diri ditempat tuh 
 anaknya saking malunya punya bapak yang idiot dan memalukan seperti Jusfiq 
 Hadjar.







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Re:[proletar] Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect


Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

mohon ijin, youtube nya gw bookmark
mo gw jejalin juga buat yang suka bawa ayat2 ke milis ini

Thx a lot 



---On Tue, 2/8/11, sunny am...@tele2.se wrote:

 







 



  



  
  
  Mutar mutar seperti kambing gila keracunan korma busuk sambil mengebik 
dipadang pasir,  lihatlah dengan pikiran segar kebiadaban yang dikarunia Allah 
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4



Allahu Akbar



- Original Message - 

  From: ndeboost 

  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
 
  



Kkecuali Bush (dan the Graham's) perintah tuhanpun

  ga dianggap..



Mazmur 106:34. Mereka tidak memunahkan

  bangsa-bangsa, seperti yang diperintahkan TUHAN

  kepada mereka, tetapi mereka bercampur baur dengan

  bangsa-bangsa, dan belajar cara-cara mereka bekerja



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote:

  

   Kebiadaban sulit dirubah : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

  

   - Original Message -

   From: ndeboost

   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:47 AM

   Subject: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal

  attacks on religious sect

  

  

  

   Thd penyebar kebohongan mestinya demikian juga.

   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@ wrote:

   

Ref : Easier said than done!

   

http://arabnews.com/world/article253857.ece

   

Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect

By OLIVIA RONDONUWU | REUTERS

   

Published: Feb 8, 2011 01:19 Updated: Feb 8, 2011 01:19

   

   

   

JAKARTA: Indonesian authorities said on Monday they were

  investigating

   a brutal mob attack that killed three followers of a religious sect

   after footage of the frenzied beatings was repeatedly shown on local

  TV

   stations and social media sites.

   

Sunday's attack was the latest against members of the

  half-a-million

   strong Ahmadi movement, which considers itself Islamic but is

  regarded

   as heretic by mainstream Muslims.

   

The attacks could heighten risk concerns for foreign investors

   counting on improved religious tolerance in southeast Asia's largest

   economy and the world's most populous Muslim nation.

   

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono called for action

   against those responsible.

   

I want the law enforcers to be professional and firm in

  preventing

   violence and to take action against the perpetrators, he said.

   

Around 1,500 people attacked the house of an Ahmadi follower in

   Pandeglang, near the capital, Jakarta, torching buildings and

  vehicles,

   local media reported.

   

The Ahmadis believe Mohammad was not Islam's final prophet and say

   Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded the sect in India in the 19th

  century,

   was a successor and messiah.

   

Video of Sunday's incident posted on Youtube by an Indonesian

  staffer

   of Human Rights Watch shows two men apparently being beaten to death

  by

   a mob shouting Allahu Akbar, or God is greatest.

  (http://bit.ly/h1dy)

   

Several masked or helmeted men join the beating, striking the

   half-naked victims with clubs and rocks, while dozens of others

  stand

   by, watching or filming the incident on camera phones. The faces of

  many

   are clearly identifiable.

   

Local TV stations on Monday repeatedly highlighted footage that

   appears to show two police officers ineffectively attempting to stop

  the

   mob attack before leaving the scene.

   

Police tried (to stop the violence) but there was an imbalance

   between police personnel and the mass, national police spokesman

  Boy

   Rafli Amar said.

   

SHOOING AWAY CHICKENS

   

Ahmadi group spokesman Zafrullah Pontoh said three followers were

   killed and five others were missing.

   

The police acted as if they were shooing away chickens, he told

   Reuters by telephone.

   

Indonesia's Ulema Council, the country's top Islamic authority,

  said

   it regretted the event and called for the attackers to face justice,

  but

   added Ahmadi followers who tarnish Islam should also be punished.

   

Analysts say a root of the conflict is a government decree of 2008

   that said Ahmadi followers could be jailed for tarnishing religion

  but

   stopped short of banning the movement. Critics say the law is

  ambiguous

   and was always likely to spark religious conflict in what is

  officially

   a secular country.

   

Rights groups condemned Sunday's attack.

   

For years, Indonesian authorities have sat idly by while mobs

  have

   violently attacked the Ahmadi, said Elaine Pearson of Human Rights

   Watch.

   

If the government is serious about stopping violence against the

   Ahmadis, then it should also immediately lift the 2008 decree which

   prohibits the Ahmadi from practicing their religion.

[proletar] Re: Angket anjing di Republika..


Lagian, seperti kata Widura, 

Kalo kasus ahmadiah, bilangnya kenapa ngga bikin agama yg beda supaya ngga
diributin...lha kalo ini, agamanya udah beda tapi tetep aja diributin
juga...ribut teruss...kapan majunya ??...

Ingat apa yang dialamai oleh orang Nasrani yang gerejanya suka dibakar..

Indonesia sudah terpuruk dan sudah tidak banyak bedanya dengan Afghanistan atau 
Pakistan.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@... wrote:

 Itu artinya angket tsb mengajak secara tdk lsg utk mengatur keyakinan
 orang lain.
 
 Sama seperti menteri agama yang menyuruh ahmadiah membuat agama baru
 saja, artinya mentri mencoba mengatur keyakinan org lain. Negara sudah
 mencoba mengatur urusan keyakinan. Ini ngawur habis
 
 si menteri itu sendiri juga pasti gak mau kalau keyakinannya diatur
 oleh negara atau oleh org lain. Dasar menteri ngawur
 
 On 2/8/11, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... wrote:
 
  Konflik antara penganut Ahmadiyah dan umat Islam kembali terjadi. Manakah
  dari opsi berikut yang menurut Anda terbaik diambil pemerintah untuk
  menyelesaikan permasalahan Ahmadiyah?
 
  -   Melarang penyebaran ajaran Ahmadiyah sesuai SKB 3 Menteri
 
  -  Menjadikan ajaran Ahmadiyah sebagai aliran kepercayaan dengan
  menanggalkan atribut Islam
 
  - Membubarkan Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) dan menyatakannya aliran
  sesat
 
  Tidak terbuka kesempatan bagi yang menginginkan kebebasan beragama untuk
  memilih buat mengakui hak Jemmaah Ahmadiyah untuk mengatakan bahwa mereka
  itu adalah penganut agama Islam.
 
 
 
 
 
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[proletar] Beranak pinak

2011-02-08 Terurut Topik kim

Babi muslim !
Beranak pinak bak kelinci. Babi-babi ini tak mengenal
keluarga berencana. Semakin banyak anak, semakin baik
buat mengguyur negara dimana mereka menempatkan diri.

Dasar babi !

Tak punya ke-ahlian, tak punya skill dalam hidup,
cukup dengan buntingin bini hingga punya belasan ekor
per-keluarga, ya tewaslah pribumi hingga jadi minoritas
dalam jangka panjang.







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[proletar] Jadi seperti kata Widura: Ahmadiyah berenti nyebut diri mereka Islam juga bakal


Jadi seperti kata Widura: Ahmadiyah berenti nyebut diri mereka Islam juga bakal 
tetap dibunuhi...







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[proletar] Islam, agama anjing yang sudah saatnya ditinggalkan oleh orang Indonesia...


Islam, agama anjing yang sudah saatnya ditinggalkan oleh orang Indonesia...





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[proletar] NU Islam toleran?


NU Islam toleran?

Mari ita berhenti membohongi diri kita:

Lha yang membunuhi pendukung Orde Lama tahun 1965-1966 itu ya banyakan orang NU 
juga...








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[proletar] Reuters: U.S. unveils $53 billion in high-speed rail plan

Saya kutip:

Biden, a long-time U.S. senator before he became vice president, was known to 
commute by train from his home state of Delaware to work in Washington.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre7173om-us-usa-transport-rail/

U.S. unveils $53 billion in high-speed rail plan

By Jeff MasonPosted 2011/02/08 at 12:23 pm EST

WASHINGTON, Feb. 8, 2011 (Reuters)  The U.S. government will dedicate $53 
billion over six years to build new high-speed rail networks and make existing 
ones faster, Vice President Joe Biden said on Tuesday.
Vice President Joseph Biden talks on a phone after boarding an Amtrak train at 
Union Station in Washington, to travel to the 30th Street Station in 
Philadelphia February 8, 2011. REUTERS/Larry Downing

The initiative will allow the Department of Transportation to choose corridors 
for the new projects and increase U.S. use of the passenger rails, the White 
House said in a statement.

President Barack Obama's budget for fiscal year 2012, which is to be unveiled 
next week, includes $8 billion for the plan. The rest of the money will be 
allocated over the six-year time period.

Obama has said he wants to target investments in areas such as infrastructure 
while reducing spending to tackle the budget deficit.

As President Obama said in his State of the Union, there are key places where 
we cannot afford to sacrifice as a nation -- one of which is infrastructure, 
Biden said in a statement.

As a long-time Amtrak rider and advocate, I understand the need to invest in a 
modern rail system that will help connect communities, reduce congestion and 
create quality, skilled manufacturing jobs that cannot be outsourced.

Biden, a long-time U.S. senator before he became vice president, was known to 
commute by train from his home state of Delaware to work in Washington.

The announcement follows Monday's news that Amtrak, the United States' largest 
passenger rail service, plans a $13.5 billion commuter rail project connecting 
New York City and New Jersey, reviving an idea rejected late last year by New 
Jersey's Republican governor, Chris Christie, as too expensive.

The project became a lightning rod in the run-up to the November 2010 election, 
pitting those calling for more federal infrastructure spending against those 
who said such projects were too costly.

Advocates say U.S. investment in high-speed rail lags many other countries and 
point to China, which plans to invest $451 billion to $602 billion in its 
high-speed rail network between 2011 and 2015, according to the China 
Securities Journal.

(Editing by Doina Chiacu)





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[proletar] Orang tua rezameutia yang juga dungu kayak anjing itu tidak memberi pendidikan



Orang tua rezameutia yang dungu kayak anjing, seperti juga orang tua peserta
mailing list ini yang beragama Islam kayak Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, PAREWA
AREWA, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. tidak sanggup memberikan pendidikan yang
memadai kepada anaknya yang tentu saja jadi dungu kayak anjing seperti orang
tuanya dan berpengetahuan dangkal kayak comberan dimusim kemarau di Jakarta.

Bayangin, begitu cetek pengetahuan rezameutia itu hingga Afrika Selatan
dikatakannya negeri bule, bahasa Inggerisnya juga acak-acakan hingga dia tidak
tahu apa arti kata legendary.

Kesanggupannnya juga terutama terbatas ngomong tentang sepak bola dan musik dan,
menurut Suryana tukang jilat pantat orang Islam, ngedongeng..

Disamping itu orang tua rezameutia yang memang dungu kayak anjing itu juga
membiarkan anaknya yang memang suka mikir pake kontol itu menjadikan buku taik
anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif sebagai kitab suci.

rezameutia juga tidak dilatih oleh orang tuanya yang memang dungu-dungu kayak
anjing itu memakai otaknya buat berfikir, dia tidak dilatih untuk berfikir
kritis.

Dia tidak dilatih untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya.

Dia dilatih buat biasa bersikap seperti anjing budug lapar dihadapan taik angat:
diajar untuk melahap apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya dan kayak bebek, dia
suka ikut apa yang dilakukan orang lain, tanpa mikir, seperti naik haji sembari
muter-muter kayak orang gila disekeliling Kaabah dan nyambit setan yang nggak
ada di padang pasir sono.

Selanjutnya...

Di abad ke XXI ini, berkat kemajuan teknologi, rezameutia juga punya akses ke
internet dan sempat
melihat
kenyataan lain yang pahit lagi menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang lain di
internet: ajaran agama Islam yang dianutnya dan yang dikiranya berdasarkan
kebenaran dan berdasarkan wahyu dari Allah itu ternyata cuman berdasarkan
omong
kosong dan kibulan hasil khayalan orang Arab primitif.

Karena dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya untuk berfikir dan untuk
mempertanyakan apa yang dia yakini selama ini maka dia bingung dihadapan
kenyataan itu: groggy.

Dia jadi gila.

Gila dan lantas kalap.

Lalu dia jadi tukang fitnah dan penyebar dusta.

Karena saya bercerita bahwa saya pernah mengisap ganja satu kali, maka saya
difitnhnya junkie.

Dan karena saya menurutkan nasehat berbagai lembaga kesehatan di Eropa yang
menganjurkan orang untuk mengikuti diet mediteranian yang antara lain terdiri
dari dua atautiga gelas anggur tiap hari maka saya difitnahnya alkoholik.

Berbeda dengan orang Islam lain yang juga sudah pada jadi gila, rezameutia
memang bersedia menjalani terapi.

Tapi hasilnya tetap saja sama: rezameutia tetap saja cuma bisa memakai kontolnya
buat berfikir dan buah fikirannnya, tidak mengherankan, tetap saja terutam
najis seperti fitnah dan dusta.

Kasihan saya melihatnya.







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[proletar] Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti

Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti
Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, PAREWA AREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, Tawang
dll...

Dungu kayak babi dan rajin berdusta dan memfitnah...





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[proletar] BBC: Egypt violence exposes secret tools of state repression


4 February 2011 Last updated at 03:07 GMT


Egypt violence exposes secret tools of state repression

Frank Gardner By Frank Gardner BBC security correspondent

Plain clothes police officers detain protesters in Suez, Egypt (27 Jan 2011) 
Middle Eastern states have long used secret police to stifle dissent and prop 
up unpopular regimes


International journalists covering events in Egypt this week have had a small 
but painful taste of the dark side - the secret security apparatus used by 
governments across the region, day in day out, to keep unpopular rulers in 
power.

The BBC, CNN and several Arab media organisations have all been experiencing 
harassment, crude and at times violent, by plain clothes thugs supporting 
President Hosni Mubarak.

On Wednesday the BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes was handcuffed, hooded and 
interrogated, while another journalist, from Al-Arabiya TV, was beaten so badly 
by plain clothes men he had to be hospitalised.

Local opposition figures would simply say: Welcome to our world.

Whether it is the official secret police of the State Security Investigations 
(SSI), the intelligence agents of the Mukhabaraat, or just hired street thugs, 
these instruments of power have long been used to intimidating effect on those 
opposing the government or even speaking out about human rights abuses.

Tom Porteous, UK Director of Human Rights Watch (HRW), told the BBC: State 
repression and abuse are coming out of the torture chambers and onto the 
streets.

In its just-published 2011 review of human rights around the world, HRW accuses 
Egypt's secret police and uniformed police alike of routine, systematic torture 
of prisoners. This is used both to extract confessions, says Mr Porteous, 
and as an instrument of punishment and deterrent.
Democracy stifled
But Egypt does not have a monopoly on brutal secret police. From Morocco to 
Tehran, Middle Eastern governments have long made use of torture as a political 
weapon.

Public hatred of these practices, and the stifling effect they have had on 
democracy, has been one of the main factors fuelling the recent protests in 
Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen.

Arabs in those countries are fed up with not being able to express their 
dissatisfaction with sometimes even the most trivial aspect of government 
policy without fear of arrest and mistreatment. In some cases people have been 
lifted off the street and simply disappeared.

So why has more fuss not been made by governments around the world? Part of the 
answer lies in the interview President Mubarak gave on Thursday to ABC's 
Christiane Amanpour - she moved from CNN a while ago.

The embattled Egyptian leader raised the spectre of what would happen if he 
gave up power too suddenly. Egypt, he said, could risk falling into the hands 
of the Islamists.

Clearly he still sees himself as the most effective bulwark against an Islamist 
takeover.

When I interviewed Mr Mubarak in his Sharm El Sheikh residence soon after the 
9/11 attacks he adopted a similar line. The West should have listened to his 
warnings, he said gripping my arm as he criticised Britain for harbouring 
Islamist extremists like the Finsbury Park imam, Abu Hamza al-Masri.

Insurgency fears

To try to understand the mindset of Mr Mubarak and his use of such brutal 
repression, one has to look at the violent birth of his presidency.
Plain clothes police officers detain protesters in Cairo, Egypt (26 Jan 2011) 
Rights group say police abuse is now emerging from the torture chambers

As vice-president in 1981 he was just feet away from exploding grenades and a 
spray of machinegun bullets when Islamist gunmen assassinated President Anwar 
Sadat.

Mr Mubarak, whom many Egyptians thought at the time would not last more than a 
year as president, spent much of the 1980's chasing the associates of Sadat's 
assassins, using his secret police to help round them up, put them on trial or 
simply incarcerate them. Many fled the country to Afghanistan and Pakistan to 
eventually join al-Qaeda.

In the late 1990s, Mr Mubarak's regime fought and eventually defeated a serious 
Islamist insurgency that saw running gunfights in Cairo slums, the murder of 
countless policemen and the massacre of 58 western tourists at Luxor in 1997.

In Mubarak's mind that insurgency could recur if he and his state apparatus do 
not maintain order.

For decades foreign diplomats have quietly applauded, preferring to deal with 
this dependable autocrat and ally than to see Egypt go the way of Iran or 
suffer years of civil war like Algeria.

Yet this week, in the full glare of the international spotlight, Egypt's secret 
police and their hired thugs have overreached themselves with their bully-boy 
methods, revealing the ugly and unacceptable side of Egyptian stability that 
human rights groups hope will now be impossible for western governments to 
ignore any longer.





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[proletar] Hasyim Muzadi:Ahmadiyah Sebaiknya Jadi Agama Sendiri

Nih contoh orang NU yang dikatakan toleran itu...

Ntar, seperti dikatkan oleh Widura, kalo sudak jadi agama sendiri toh bakal 
tetap saja diuber-iber, kayak pengikut agama Nasrani yang juga dibacokin dan 
gerejnya dibakarin...

  

Hasyim Muzadi:
Ahmadiyah Sebaiknya Jadi Agama Sendiri

Jakarta, 8 Pebruari 2011 08:30
Mantan ketua umum Pengurus Besar Nahdlatul Ulama (PBNU) KH Hasyim Muzadi 
mengatakan, Ahmadiyah sebaiknya menjadi agama sendiri yang berada di luar 
Islam. Pasalnya, ajaran itu bermasalah karena mengatasnamakan Islam tetapi 
tidak sesuai dengan ajaran Islam.

Seandainya Ahmadiyah menjadi agama sendiri, maka Ahmadiyah itu dalam posisi 
menjalani hak sebagai warga negara dalam beragama, kata Hasyim, di Jakarta, 
Senin (7/2).

Menurutnya, sikap pengikut Ahmadiyah yang bersikeras menyatakan diri Islam 
itulah yang membuat orang Islam merasa dilecehkan. Penodaan agama itu berbeda 
dengan kebebasan beragama. Ini kadang orang tidak bisa membedakan, kata 
pengasuh Pondok Pesantren Al Hikam Malang dan Depok tersebut.

Meski demikian, lanjutnya, terlepas bahwa Ahmadiyah menyeleweng dari Islam, 
pengikutnya tetap tidak boleh diperlakukan tidak layak seperti yang terjadi di 
Cikeusik, Pandeglang, Banten. Aparat kepolisian harus bertindak tegas dan 
menghukum para pelakunya, kata Hasyim terkait penyerangan terhadap pengikut 
Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik, Minggu (6/2), yang menewaskan tiga orang dan melukai 
sejumlah orang lainnya.

Ditanya soal kemungkinan pengikut Ahmadiyah diletakkan di suatu pulau 
tersendiri, Hasyim mengatakan, hal itu sama dengan mengisolasi mereka, dan 
upaya menyadarkan mereka juga semakin sulit.

Dijelaskannya, sejak lama para ulama NU dan Muhammadiyah berusaha untuk 
menyadarkan warga Ahmadiyah agar menjalankan ajaran Islam secara benar, namun 
diakuinya hal itu belum banyak berhasil. Tak mudah mengubah keyakinan 
seseorang. Ini yang kemudian terjadi gesekan-gesekan seperti kejadian di 
Cikeusik, katanya.

Hasyim mendukung penyelesaian masalah Ahmadiyah melalui Surat Keputusan Bersama 
(SKB) tiga menteri meski diakuinya pelaksanaan SKB di lapangan masih kedodoran. 
SKB tidak salah apa-apa. Sebagai ketentuan sudah relevan. Hanya pelaksanaan 
SKB yang kedodoran, katanya.

Sementara itu, cendekiawan Muslim Azyumardi Azra menilai insiden Ahmadiyah di 
Cikeusik bukan karena SKB tiga menteri.

Bahkan, lanjutnya, jika SKB diubah dan Ahmadiyah dinyatakan sebagai organisasi 
terlarang, hal itu justru bertentangan dengan konstitusi yang memberikan dan 
mengizinkan orang untuk berserikat dan berkumpul. Jadi kalau untuk kepastian 
hukum harus bawa ke pengadilan, katanya. [EL, Ant] URL: 
http://www.gatra.com/versi_cetak.php?id=145338 





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[proletar] Jadi Hasyim Muzadi dan Sobri Lubis itu nggak banyak...


Jadi Hasyim Muzadi dan Sobri Lubis itu nggak banyak...

NU dan FPI juga nggk banyak  kok: sama-sama tukanag bunuhkafir.

Janga lupa apa yang terjadi tahun 1965-1966: yang membunuhi pendukung Orde Lama 
adala juga orang NU...

 






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[proletar] Jadi Hasyim Muzadi dan Sobri Lubis itu nggak banyak beda...


Jadi Hasyim Muzadi dan Sobri Lubis itu nggak banyak beda...

NU dan FPI juga nggk banyak  kok: sama-sama tukanag bunuhkafir.

Janga lupa apa yang terjadi tahun 1965-1966: yang membunuhi pendukung Orde Lama 
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Re: [proletar] Makin kuno Kitab makin asli

bicara tentang makin kuno
silahkan click yg dibawah ini

apa komen-mu Wang ??

http://www.funzu.com/index.php/crazy-pics/not-many-muslims-had-the-opportunity-to-see-this-01122009.html

---On Tue, 2/8/11, Tawangalun tawanga...@yahoo.com wrote:

Makin kuno Kitab makin asli

Berhubung tole Ivan ini sependapat dg saya bahwa makin kuno Kitab makin

asli,malah menyebut nyebut soal naskah Laut mati,maka ini saya suguhkan perihal

yg dimaksud.

Apakah benar Yesus pernah menikah, sebelum kita bahas mari kita lihat

Alqur'an:

Qs.[13.38] Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah mengutus beberapa Rasul

sebelum

kamu dan Kami memberikan kepada mereka istri-istri dan keturunan. Dan

tidak ada hak bagi seorang Rasul mendatangkan sesuatu ayat (mukjizat)

melainkan dengan izin Allah.Bagi tiap-tiap masa ada Kitab (yang

tertentu).

Berdasarkan Ayat ini jelas bahwa setiap nabi mempunyai Istri, dan

tidak menutup kemungkinan Yesus juga memiliki Istri. Tetapi oleh

gereja hal ini ditutup-tutupi. Apakah benar informasi Alqur'an ini

mari kita bahas.

Yang pertama mati kita lihat pendapat para pakar sejahrawan dan pakar

Theologi dan Alkitab Yang bernama Prof Dr Barbara Theiring berasal

dari Sidney Australia yang mendalami Naskah Laut Mati yaitu Naskah

tertua injil tertua yang ditemukan di laut mati, beliau memelajari

selama 20 Th dan akhirnya terciptalah buku Jesus The Man, kemudian

menghubungkan dengan ayat bible (injil) dan menemukan bahwa ternyata

Nabi Isa itu bukan hanya menikah tapi Beliau juga Berpoligami. Dalam

buku Jesus The Man dijelaskan bahwa upacara-upacara pernikahan Yesus

ini berusaha dikaburkan oleh gereja.

Untuk lebih jelasnya silahkan baca Injil markus 14 :3: ...Datanglah

seorang membawa suatu buli-buli pualam berisi minyak murni yang mahal

harganya. Setelah dipecahkannya leher buli-buli itu, dicurahkan

minyak

itu ke atas kepala Yesus.

Silahkan baca lagi injil Lukas 7:37-38: (maria magdalena membawa

buli-buli pualam berisi minyak wangi) sambil menangis ia pergi

berdiri

dibelakang Yesus dekat kakinya, lalu membasahi kakinya itu dengan air

matanya dan menyekanya dengan rambutnya, kemudian ia mencium kakinya

dan meminyakinya dengan minyak wangi itu.

Menurut para pakar sejahrawan dan dan alkitab Prof Dr Barbara

Theiring

dalam bukunya Jesus The Man. Upacara seorang wanita membawa minyak

wangi , kemudian menuangkan kerambutnya kemudian mengusapkan

rambutnya

kepada kaki laki-laki serta mencium kaki laki-laki. ini adala

merupakan pernikahan bangsawan Yahudi.

Untuk lebih jelasnya silahkan baca kidung agung 1: Kiranya ia mencium

aku dengan kecupan! karena cintamu lebih nikmat dari pada anggur,

harum bau minyakmu, bagaikan minyak yang tercurah ...

lihat lagi injil Lukas 7:37-38, dengan jelas Maria magdalena

mencurahkan minyak dan mencium kaki Yesus. jadi ini adalah merupakan

upacara PERNIKAHAN BANGSAWAN YAHUDI. Tapi sayang nya dalam injil

upacara seperti ini disembunyikan...! seolah-olah istilah ini adalah

seolah-olah maria Magdalena adalah perempuan berdosa datang meminta

ampun kapada Yesus. DAN ITU TIDAKLAH BENAR. Itu adalah perbuatan

gereja yang berusaha menutupi fakta sejarah bahwa Yesus sebenarnya

pernah menikah di kana'an.

Untuk lebih jelasnya pada bukunya Prof Dr Barbara Theiring yang

bejudul Jesus The Man mengatakan : Pernikahan Yesus dan Maria

Magdalena sangat jelas kelihatan dari kata-kata di dalam injil

(seperti yang terlampir di atas) KARENA SEORANG PEREMPUAN MENCIUM

LAKI-LAKI YANG BUKAN MUHRIMNYA ITU HUKUMANNYA, ADALAH HUKUMAN MATI.

Nah..! Sekarang kenapa dalam injil Lukas Maria Magdalena yang mencium

kaki Yesus tidak dihukum Mati...? Jawabannya adalah karena Maria

Magdalena dan Yesus sedang melaksanakan upacara pernikahan. setelah

keempat injil seolah-olah bungkam terhadap pernikahan Yesus ..!

ternyata masih ada injil yang menyatakan bahwa Maria Magdalena adalah

istri Yesus. Injil itu adalah injil Filipus, dan injil ini ditolak

dan dianggap apokripa oleh gereja. Kenapa ditolak ...? karena kalo

gereja menerima injil Filipus maka Yesus yang dikatakan Anak Allah

dan

dikatakan sebagai Tuhan itu ternyata mempunyai istri dan punya anak

berarti akan ada anaknya Tuhan dan ada Cucunya Tuhan...!

Dan untuk mengetahui kapan Yesus menikah ..! silahkan baca Prof Dr

Barbara Theiring dalam bukunya Jesus the Riddle of the Dead sea

Scroll (Naskah Laut Mati), Harper san Fransisco, New York 1992, di

buku ini dijelaskan kronologi perkawinan Yesus. Perkawinan Yesus yang

pertama (kawin gantung) dengan Maria Magdalena diselenggarakan pada

hari Jumat, tgl 22 September 30 M, Jam 18.00, bertempat di Ain

Feshkah

(palestina). Kemudian selanjutnya Perkawinan yang kedua adalah hari

Kamis, pada Tgl 19 Maret 33 M, jam 24.00, di Ain Feshkah, Yesus kawin

dengan Maria Magdalena ke dua kalinya. Apa itu tgl 19 Maret 33 M itu

Tgl 19 MAret adalah tgl malamnya besok Yesus disalip. Jadi jelas tgl

19 maret Yesus dan Maria Magdalena itu

[proletar] Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti

Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti

Isi otak ayub yahya itu sama saja busuknya dengan isi otak orang Islam seperti
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Re: Re:[proletar] Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect

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  - Original Message - 
  From: ayub yahya 
  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:50 PM
  Subject: Re:[proletar] Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on 
religious sect




  Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

  mohon ijin, youtube nya gw bookmark
  mo gw jejalin juga buat yang suka bawa ayat2 ke milis ini

  Thx a lot 

  ---On Tue, 2/8/11, sunny am...@tele2.se wrote:

   

   

  Mutar mutar seperti kambing gila keracunan korma busuk sambil mengebik 
dipadang pasir, lihatlah dengan pikiran segar kebiadaban yang dikarunia Allah : 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

  Allahu Akbar

  - Original Message - 

  From: ndeboost 

  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
   


  Kkecuali Bush (dan the Graham's) perintah tuhanpun

  ga dianggap..

  Mazmur 106:34. Mereka tidak memunahkan

  bangsa-bangsa, seperti yang diperintahkan TUHAN

  kepada mereka, tetapi mereka bercampur baur dengan

  bangsa-bangsa, dan belajar cara-cara mereka bekerja

  --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote:

  

   Kebiadaban sulit dirubah : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

  

   - Original Message -

   From: ndeboost

   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:47 AM

   Subject: [proletar] Re: Indonesia says will act against brutal

  attacks on religious sect

  

  

  

   Thd penyebar kebohongan mestinya demikian juga.

   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@ wrote:

   

Ref : Easier said than done!

   

http://arabnews.com/world/article253857.ece

   

Indonesia says will act against brutal attacks on religious sect

By OLIVIA RONDONUWU | REUTERS

   

Published: Feb 8, 2011 01:19 Updated: Feb 8, 2011 01:19

   

   

   

JAKARTA: Indonesian authorities said on Monday they were

  investigating

   a brutal mob attack that killed three followers of a religious sect

   after footage of the frenzied beatings was repeatedly shown on local

  TV

   stations and social media sites.

   

Sunday's attack was the latest against members of the

  half-a-million

   strong Ahmadi movement, which considers itself Islamic but is

  regarded

   as heretic by mainstream Muslims.

   

The attacks could heighten risk concerns for foreign investors

   counting on improved religious tolerance in southeast Asia's largest

   economy and the world's most populous Muslim nation.

   

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono called for action

   against those responsible.

   

I want the law enforcers to be professional and firm in

  preventing

   violence and to take action against the perpetrators, he said.

   

Around 1,500 people attacked the house of an Ahmadi follower in

   Pandeglang, near the capital, Jakarta, torching buildings and

  vehicles,

   local media reported.

   

The Ahmadis believe Mohammad was not Islam's final prophet and say

   Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded the sect in India in the 19th

  century,

   was a successor and messiah.

   

Video of Sunday's incident posted on Youtube by an Indonesian

  staffer

   of Human Rights Watch shows two men apparently being beaten to death

  by

   a mob shouting Allahu Akbar, or God is greatest.

  (http://bit.ly/h1dy)

   

Several masked or helmeted men join the beating, striking the

   half-naked victims with clubs and rocks, while dozens of others

  stand

   by, watching or filming the incident on camera phones. The faces of

  many

   are clearly identifiable.

   

Local TV stations on Monday repeatedly highlighted footage that

   appears to show two police officers ineffectively attempting to stop

  the

   mob attack before leaving the scene.

   

Police tried (to stop the violence) but there was an imbalance

   between police personnel and the mass, national police spokesman

  Boy

   Rafli Amar said.

   

SHOOING AWAY CHICKENS

   

Ahmadi group spokesman Zafrullah Pontoh said three followers were

   killed and five others were missing.

   

The police acted as if they were shooing away chickens, he told

   Reuters by telephone.

   

Indonesia's Ulema Council, the country's top Islamic authority,

  said

   it regretted the event and called for the attackers to face justice,

  but

   added Ahmadi followers who tarnish Islam should also be punished.

   

Analysts say a root of the conflict is a government decree of 2008

   that said Ahmadi followers could be jailed for tarnishing religion

  but

   stopped short of banning the movement. Critics say the law is

  ambiguous

   and was always likely to spark religious conflict in what is

  officially

   a secular country.

   

Rights groups condemned Sunday's attack.

   

For years, Indonesian authorities have sat idly by while mobs

  have

   violently attacked the Ahmadi, said Elaine Pearson of Human Rights

   Watch.

[proletar] Churches Ablaze in Protest in Central Java

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/churches-ablaze-in-protest-in-central-java/421562

Churches Ablaze in Protest in Central Java
Candra Malik | February 09, 2011

 

Cars were set on fire in the parking area of a church that was attacked by 
Muslim mobs in Temanggung, Central Java, on Tuesday. Hundreds of Islamic 
hard-liners first ran amok outside a courthouse to protest what they considered 
too mild a sentence for a man convicted of blaspheming Islam. (Antara Photo) 

Temanggung, Central Java. Roving mobs of Muslims on Tuesday attacked and 
vandalized five buildings, including two churches, in the small Central Java 
town of Temanggung following the sentencing of a man on trial for contempt of 
Islam. 

Judges at the district court in Temanggung on Tuesday sentenced Antonius 
Richmord Bawengan, 58, to five years in jail, as the prosecutors had requested. 

The verdict angered members of hard-line Islamic groups, who thought it was too 
lenient, setting off the spasm of violence. 

Two churches, a school and two police stations were vandalized by the mobs and 
a number of cars and motorcycles were set on fire. Nine people were injured in 
the violence, most by thrown stones, police said. 

The defendant and the judges and prosecutors had to be rushed out of the 
courtroom by police officers after hundred of people rushed toward them amid 
shouts of Allahu Akbar after the verdict was announced. 

Djoko Suyanto, the coordinating ninister for political, legal, and security 
affairs, said President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono condemned the violence, which 
came just days after a violent attack on an Ahmadiyah community in Pandeglang, 
Banten, that left three people dead and five injured. 

The Central Java Police have been instructed to immediately find the 
perpetrators of the anarchy and deal with them through the legal process, 
Djoko said in a written statement. 

National Police Chief Gen. Timur Pradopo said shortly after returning from 
Temanggung that one person had been arrested. We have arrested one suspect and 
may name more as the investigation continues, he said. We will uphold the law 
against whoever breaches it. 

He said that like many of the others involved, the suspect was not from 
Temanggung, which he said pointed to the violence being orchestrated by 
outsiders. 

The rioting ended some five hours after it started when hundreds of police 
reinforcements arrived from other regions. 

Antonius, a resident of Manado, North Sulawesi, who holds a Jakarta identity 
card, was convicted of distributing a book titled Ya Tuhan, Tertipu Aku (Oh 
My God, I Was Fooled) and leaflets titled Selamatkan Diri Dari Dajjal dan 
Kiamat (Save Yourself from the Antichrist and Doomsday). 

They were distributed in Kranggan village in Temanggung in October. 

The book said the Kaaba, Islam's holiest shrine, is a symbol of the female 
genital organ while the Jamrah pillar - another significant object in Islam - 
is the male equivalent. The texts also described Islam as violent. 

Siti Mahanim, who prosecuted the case, said Antonius was guilty of violating 
the Criminal Code on insulting Islam and recommended the maximum sentence for 
the offense, five years in jail. 

I regret my deeds and plead guilty. To the religious people, especially 
Muslims in Indonesia, whose hearts were hurt by my actions, I apologize, 
Antonius said in court. With the admission, the judges immediately announced 
their verdict. 

The Temanggung Police had deployed more than 400 officers in and around the 
court building, and limited the number of people allowed inside the courtroom, 
police spokesman Adj. Comr. Marino said. 

Police fired three warning shots and tear gas canisters outside the court but 
the mob then split up and attacked a Pentecostal church, St. Peter and Paul 
Catholic Church and the Shekinah school in the complex of Bethel Indonesia 
Church. They burned vehicles and later set fire to two police trucks. 

Benny Susetyo, head of the Indonesian Bishops Conference (KWI), told the 
Jakarta Globe that reports from Temanggung indicated the rioters were probably 
not locals. Our team reported that they were transported to the locations in 
trucks. It seems like they were from outside the district, he said. 

Benny called on the government to arrest the perpetrators, whoever they are 
and whatever their motivation was. 


Additional reporting by Farouk Arnaz, Dessy Sagita, Markus Junianto Sihaloho  
Hartono 

Related articles

Police Arrest Two in Banten Lynch Mob Probe 11:44pm Feb 8, 2011

One Suspect Arrested in Temanggung Violence 9:58pm Feb 8, 2011

Yudhoyono 'Denounces the Anarchic Act' by Mob in Temanggung 8:42pm Feb 8, 2011

Yudhoyono: Punish Banten Officials Guilty of Negligence 11:55pm Feb 7, 2011

Ahmadis Recount Morning of Terror 11:22pm Feb 7, 2011


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[proletar] A Democracy Can Overcome Extremism

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/opinion/a-democracy-can-overcome-extremism/421515
A Democracy Can Overcome Extremism
Michael C. Putrawenas | February 08, 2011



During the Salem witch trials of the early 1690s in colonial Massachusetts, 20 
people were hanged or stoned to death after being accused and convicted of the 
felony of practicing witchcraft. 

Three centuries later, similar scenes of mob-led religious extremism were 
recorded on tape this past weekend in Cikeusik, Banten. 

The two dark episodes of humanity obviously took place in a different time and 
context. 

What is clear, however, is that in both cases ignorance provoked by religious 
extremism and justified by government (in)action led to the violent and 
gruesome death of citizens. 

Some people may say the Cikeusik incident is a wake-up call to the nation to 
restore its mantra of Bhinneka Tunggal Ika, or unity in diversity. 

Well, we have actually had several wake-up calls, but each time we've hit the 
snooze button. 

In the past few years, violence in the name of religion in this country has 
increased to a worrying degree. Religious violence now takes place not only in 
remote areas, but also right in the nation's capital. 

The closing of houses of worship, assault on an orphanage and stabbing of a 
religious leader all happened in front of our eyes and under full media 
coverage. 

We cannot say that we did not see this coming. 

As a democratic society, the blame rests with us. The government that has done 
little to prevent such acts - even possibly provoking hostility toward a 
certain group in some instances - is, like it or not, a democratically elected 
one. 

Statesmen would have done well to heed Nicolo Machiavelli's words: When the 
evils that arise have been foreseen, which it is only given to a wise man to 
see, they can be quickly redressed; but when, through not having been foreseen, 
they have been permitted to grow in a way that everyone can see them, there is 
no longer a remedy. 

A government that is unable to foresee and avoid conflict and does not fulfill 
its duty to protect its citizens must be changed. 

We have the means and the obligations to do so in an orderly fashion. Even in 
between election cycles, civil society has the power to put pressure and 
contribute in setting the public agenda. 

Nevertheless, changing governments alone (which was obviously a great luxury 
during Machiavelli's time) will not do the job if people remain ignorant of the 
intolerance around them. 

The fact that some religion-related conflicts were resolved through 
relocation of the lesser group means that the government and society accept the 
intolerance. 

Relocation may deter physical clashes in the short term, but it reinforces the 
message that if the extremists make a fuss, they will have their way. 

Add a few cycles of this and they will feel empowered to take harsher action 
when the perceived infidels defy their ultimatum. 

In dealing with these types of issues, we need to be crystal clear that it is 
not a particular community that we are defending, nor a specific group that we 
are fighting. 

It is about defending the fundamental human rights and upholding the 
constitutional rights of every Indonesian citizen: the right to live and 
practice religion. This fight is against violence, extremism and ignorance. 

Therefore it is mind-boggling to see how much effort and focus are being put 
into the joint decree of three ministers and other administrative and 
procedural red herrings. 

Instead, we must go all out on making sure that our children receive a 
good-quality education that truly fosters tolerance and not hypocrisy, that our 
economy is growing in an equitable manner, that our political system is built 
to reflect a healthy democracy and that as a society and as a nation we come 
together without any prejudice. 

Good education, proper livelihoods, fair political representation and social 
cohesion are the ultimate kryptonite to religious bigotry - not a piece of 
paper signed by any number of state ministers. 

The real solutions are long-term ones, not a result of a few hours or days of 
inter-faith meetings or community dialogue. 

In pursuit of the real solutions, we need to be a society that is educated and 
sufficiently sophisticated that we can intellectually disagree without being 
emotionally disturbed and physically violent. 

Or as Aristotle eloquently put it, It is the mark of an educated mind to be 
able to entertain a thought without accepting it. 

And enshrined in the Preamble of the Constitution is the admonition to develop 
the nation's intellectual life. 

Of course the same document also went further to suggest the country needs to 
contribute to a world order based on freedom, lasting peace and social justice. 

Our president seems to be very keen on this and has even dared to write to his 
most powerful counterpart in the United States about it. Surely it is a quality 
that has its

[proletar] (Fwd): Bls: Re: [Spiritual-Indonesia] tahukah anda...


Jadi, orang Islam itu memang biadab: orang yang mau menginjak buku taik anjing 
al-Mushaf aja nggak akan ada yang berani melakukannnya di Petamburan III...

Bisa-bisa memang mengalami apa yang dialami oleh pengikut Ahmadiyah di Banten 
beberapa hari yang lalu.

Ini satu.

Kemudian:

Wawan bercerita bahwa dia menginjak al-Mushaf didepan keluarganya untuk 
menunjukkan bahwa dia berani, dan ini patut mendapat pujian, berbeda pendapat 
dengan orang tuanya.

Ada berapa diantara kita yang berani berbeda pendapat dengan orang tuanya atau 
orang sekalilingnya?

--- In spiritual-indone...@yahoogroups.com, Kencana Parwata 
kencanaparwata@... wrote:

 emosi kok bangga. Emang kenapa kalau baru berani injak Qur'an. Kalau anda 
 jagoan datanglah anda ke jl. Petamburan III, jakarta pusat. disana ada markas 
 FPI, injak tuh mukanya habib Rizieq Sihab, ngelawan nggak dia. Bos wawan kok 
 beraninya sama buku, patung, nggak punya refleks mereka bos.
 
 Pada Sel, 08 Feb 2011 20:46 WIB semar samiaji menulis:
 
 kalau konteksnya sekedar tahu...iya jelas menjadi tahu di saat ada yang 
 menyampaikan...pakah kemudian yang demikian konteksnya menjadi paham?...ya 
 belum tentu lah...
 
 koq buku yang nggak ada salah apa2, di-injak2?...di sini yang belum tentu 
 dipahamihe..he..he..he...
 
 salam,
 ss
 
 --- On Tue, 2/8/11, wawan selarasmilis@... wrote:
 
 From: wawan selarasmilis@...
 Subject: [Spiritual-Indonesia] tahukah anda...
 To: spiritual-indone...@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 6:56 PM
 
 
 tahukah anda, bahwasanya saya pernah menginjak al-quran didepan keluarga 
 saya...
 
 merekalah saksinya...
 
 dan well...
 
 saya tidak tahu ada apa di benak mereka, tapi mungkin mereka semakin
 moderat...(saya lihat mereka semakin moderat)...
 
 
 
 
 
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[proletar] Islamic sect attacked in Indonesia

Refleksi:  Video footage dapat dilihat dengan click pada  situs dibawah ini :

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia-pacific/2011/02/201127135519920416.html


Islamic sect attacked in Indonesia 
Murder of three members of Ahmadiyah minority focuses attention on legal 
restrictions on group.
Last Modified: 07 Feb 2011 14:56 GMT 

Video footage has emerged of a gang of Muslim men beating to death three 
members of the Ahmadiyah sect in Indonesia.

Rights groups and the Indonesian government have condemned the killings, but 
some critics say a three-year-old law banning Ahmadis from spreading their 
faith incited the violence.

Al Jazeera's Step Vaessen reports from Jakarta.

This report contains images which some viewers may find distressing


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[proletar] Bomb detonated in empty church in Egypt

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article252123.ece

Bomb detonated in empty church in Egypt
By ASHRAF SWEILAM | AP 

Published: Feb 5, 2011 23:02 Updated: Feb 5, 2011 23:02 

EL-ARISH, Egypt: Assailants detonated a bomb Saturday in an empty church in a 
small town in northern Egypt, causing little damage and no injuries, security 
officials said.

Smoke billowed from the windows of the church and the assailants also snatched 
a cross from outside the building, said the officials. They said the assailants 
escaped. There was no immediate claim of responsibility.

The attack in the town of Rafah, on the border with the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, 
comes amid unprecedented political unrest sweeping Egypt. For nearly two weeks, 
protesters have staged mass rallies to demand the ouster of longtime Egyptian 
President Hosni Mubarak.

Rafah is located in the Sinai Peninsula, where Bedouin tribesmen have clashed 
with security forces during the popular revolt.

Earlier Saturday, an explosion went off in a gas terminal in the Sinai town of 
El-Arish, causing a massive fire but no injuries. Energy officials blamed a gas 
leak, while security officials said an explosive device was detonated in the 
terminal. As a result of the fire, the flow of gas to Jordan and Israel was 
stopped.

Even before the uprising, there had been growing tensions between Egypt's 
Muslims and large Christian minority. On New Year's Day, a suicide bombing 
outside a Coptic church in the port city of Alexandria killed 21 people, 
setting off days of protests.

Barely a week later, an off-duty policeman boarded a train and shot dead a 
71-year-old Christian man and wounding his wife and four others.


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[proletar] Aljazeera (Mark LeVine): The shaping of a New World Order

Opinion
The shaping of a New World Order
If the revolutions of 2011 succeed, they will force the creation of a very 
different regional and world system.
Mark LeVine Last Modified: 06 Feb 2011 15:07 GMT

I remember the images well, even though I was too young to understand their 
political significance. But they were visceral, those photos in the New York 
Times from Tehran in the midst of its revolutionary moment in late 1978 and 
early 1979. Not merely exuberance jumped from the page, but also anger; anger 
fuelled by an intensity of religious fervour that seemed so alien as to emanate 
from another planet to a normal pre-teen American boy being shown the 
newspaper by his father over breakfast.

Many commentators are comparing Egypt to Iran of 32 years ago, mostly to warn 
of the risks of the country descending into some sort of Islamist dictatorship 
that would tear up the peace treaty with Israel, engage in anti-American 
policies, and deprive women and minorities of their rights (as if they had so 
many rights under the Mubarak dictatorship).

I write this on February 2, the precise anniversary of Khomeini's return to 
Tehran from exile. It's clear that, while religion is a crucial foundation of 
Egyptian identity and Mubarak's level of corruption and brutality could give 
the Shah a run for his money, the situations are radically different on the 
ground.

A most modern and insane revolt

The following description, I believe, sums up what Egypt faces today as well 
as, if not better, than most:

It is not a revolution, not in the literal sense of the term, not a way of 
standing up and straightening things out. It is the insurrection of men with 
bare hands who want to lift the fearful weight, the weight of the entire world 
order that bears down on each of us - but more specifically on them, these ... 
workers and peasants at the frontiers of empires. It is perhaps the first great 
insurrection against global systems, the form of revolt that is the most modern 
and the most insane.

One can understand the difficulties facing the politicians. They outline 
solutions, which are easier to find than people say ... All of them are based 
on the elimination of the [president]. What is it that the people want? Do they 
really want nothing more? Everybody is quite aware that they want something 
completely different. This is why the politicians hesitate to offer them simply 
that, which is why the situation is at an impasse. Indeed, what place can be 
given, within the calculations of politics, to such a movement, to a movement 
through which blows the breath of a religion that speaks less of the hereafter 
than of the transfiguration of this world?

The thing is, it was offered not by some astute commentator of the current 
moment, but rather by the legendary French philosopher Michel Foucault, after 
his return from Iran, where he witnessed firsthand the intensity of the 
revolution which, in late 1978, before Khomeini's return, really did seem to 
herald the dawn of a new era.

Foucault was roundly criticised by many people after Khomeini hijacked the 
revolution for not seeing the writing on the wall. But the reality was that, in 
those heady days where the shackles of oppression were literally being 
shattered, the writing was not on the wall. Foucault understood that it was 
precisely a form of insanity that was necessary to risk everything for 
freedom, not just against one's government, but against the global system that 
has nuzzled him in its bosom for so long.

What was clear, however, was that the powers that most supported the Shah, 
including the US, dawdled on throwing their support behind the masses who were 
toppling him. While this is by no means the principal reason for Khomeini's 
successful hijacking of the revolution, it certainly played an important role 
in the rise of a militantly anti-American government social force, with 
disastrous results.

While Obama's rhetoric moved more quickly towards the Egyptian people than did 
President Carter's towards Iranians three decades ago, his refusal to call for 
Mubarak's immediate resignation raises suspicion that, in the end, the US would 
be satisfied if Mubarak was able to ride out the protests and engineer a 
democratic transition that left American interests largely intact.

The breath of religion

Foucault was also right to assign such a powerful role to religion in the 
burgeoning revolutionary moment - and he experienced what he called a 
political spirituality, But, of course, religion can be defined in so many 
ways. The protestant theologian Paul Tillich wonderfully described it as 
encompassing whatever was of ultimate concern to a person or people. And 
today, clearly, most every Egyptian has gotten religion from this perspective.

So many people, including Egypt's leaders, have used the threat of a Muslim 
Brotherhood takeover to justify continued dictatorship, with Iran as the 
historical example to justify such arguments.

[proletar] Intolerance Turns Deadly

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=2972Itemid=175

Intolerance Turns Deadly


Written by Our Correspondent
Monday, 07 February 2011 
A mob attack by religious hardliners in rural Indonesia kills three and exposes 
presidential weakness 

Horrific violence Sunday in the province of Banten in Indonesia left three 
members of a deviationist Muslim sect dead at the hands of an enraged mob and 
also exposed the inability of the Indonesian government to take a firm stand on 
growing religious extremism. 

The attack on a houseful of members of the Ahmadiyah sect by a mob of some 
1,500 local residents has its roots in a 2005 ruling by the Indonesian Ulema 
Council (MUI). That fatwah, which called Ahmadiyah's teachings blasphemous, has 
been compounded, particularly in the last two to three years, by the seeming 
indifference of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who has displayed 
relatively little ambition to rein in Islamist extremists and outright thugs 
acting in the name of religion.

Religious intolerance has been growing markedly against all non-Muslim 
religious groups. But it is the Ahmadiyah who have borne the brunt of the 
violence. Their belief that the sect's founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the 
last Islamic prophet, succeeding Muhammad, has made them a target in many 
countries for being heretical. 

In the 1960s, hundreds of thousands of alleged communists could be summarily 
butchered in Indonesia, with little word reaching the outside about the extent 
of the horror. Today, some of those same passions exist, only they are 
channeled into religious feuds by groups seeking political advantage. The 
difference is that in a more open society, the government has to answer for 
such outrages.

The MUI, Minister of Religious Affairs and hard-liners are responsible for 
murdering Indonesians, wrote one reader to the Jakarta Globe. Our Pancasila 
constitution protects all Indonesians who believe in one god. The MUI fatwa 
against the Ahmadiyah religion is unconstitutional and should be revoked by the 
president, as it violates our constitution. I am now concerned that Indonesia 
will disintegrate, just because of disharmony among religions. Religion should 
be separate from government involvement, and it should be treated as a private 
matter, due to its emotional sensitivity. We should disband the MUI, the 
Religious Affairs Department and the hardliners, and then peace could prevail.

On Sunday at around 10 am, the 1,500 villagers surrounded and attacked 25 
Ahmadiyah members who had refused to leave the house of a local group leader, 
Ismail Suparman. The Ahmadis had been guarding Suparman's house after he was 
detained by local police on suspicion of proselytizing, which is forbidden 
under a 2008 ministerial decree restricting Ahmadiyah's activities.

On Saturday, a local chieftain said that initially residents had no intention 
to take violent acts. Villagers just wanted the followers of the Ahmadiyah to 
disband themselves, he told the government-owned Antara News Service.

Despite the fact that the villagers had been massing for several hours, the 
police appeared to be woefully unprepared for what happened. Only about 30 
police were on hand to attempt to defend the Ahmadiyah members. According to 
video shot surreptitiously by an Ahmadi, there were no police barricades 
erected to prevent the clashes. 

Police get out. Burn these Ahmadiyah people! one man shouts on the video. The 
mob immediately attacked the house with rocks, forcing the people inside to 
flee. The footage shows the mob a bit later, swarming around two lifeless 
bodies covered in mud. The Ahmadi who took the video said the pair were chased 
to a nearby rice field where they were beaten and killed with wooden staves and 
stones. The crowd then dragged the bodies along the road. Others were filmed 
attacking the corpses and cheering. 

While most of the video is too gruesome for public airing on TV news channels, 
it has already made its way to YouTube, where it is likely to remain a deep 
embarrassment for Indonesia. 

Sunday's incident presumably leaves the president little room to maneuver. The 
question is whether now he will take decisive action. It has been condemned by 
the House of Representatives faction of the National Awakening Party (PKB), the 
Ansor youth wing of Nahdlatul Ulama, the largest Islamic organization in the 
country; the Setara Institute for Democracy and Peace and the Wahid Institute, 
set up in the name of the late President Abdurrahman Wahid, Gus Dur, to defend 
human rights. The opposition Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P) 
denounced the attacks and called for an investigation of police inaction. 

These attacks threaten the diversity of our national life, said PDI-P 
lawmaker Eva Kusuma Sundari on Monday. The Wahid Institute called on Yudhoyono 
to take action. Do not say in speeches that Indonesia protects religious 
freedom and then, when there

[proletar] Egypt's Earthquake and the Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2id=24082


Egypt's Earthquake and the Muslim Brotherhood

08/02/2011 
By Dr. Hamad Al-Majid

Dr. Hamad Al-Majid 


Egypt remains peaceful under God's protection, but the Islamists seem to be 
behind every ordeal, creating unrest. It was them who provoked the Egyptian 
people, until they angrily flocked to the Tahrir square. It was them who 
conspired with the Iranians, coordinated with the Israelis, and made 
arrangements with the Americans. It was also the Islamists who brought 
pocket-knives, blades and Molotov cocktails [into Tahrir square], and they were 
the ones who used horses, camels and donkeys to ride around and provoke unrest. 
The list of accusations is endless. Were it not for the trace of shame that 
still remains in the mentality of Egyptian officials, they could have accused 
the Islamists of creating a hole in the ozone layer, having a hand in the 
Greenhouse Effect, or being responsible for avian or swine flu.

Recently, several words have accurately portrayed the position of the Muslim 
Brotherhood in Egypt's political arena, but they were lost amidst the huge 
clamorous demonstrations that took place in Tahrir Square. These words were 
uttered by Egyptian Minister of Defence Hussein Tantawi, when he stepped out of 
his armoured car to ask whether the protestors could convince the Muslim 
Brotherhood's Supreme Guide to enter into dialogue with the regime. Thus, the 
Egyptian government's attitude has changed in the twinkling of an eye, shifting 
from a refusal to engage with the Muslim Brotherhood for decades, to a position 
now where it has to beg for dialogue with them.

The Egyptian government deceived itself, rather than its nation or Western 
governments, when it sought to conceal a force as active in the Egyptian 
political arena as the Muslim Brotherhood. The government is well aware that 
this is a peaceful movement, which has shown patience and tolerance towards the 
government's provocations, when it was prevented [from legal political 
activity], when constraints were imposed upon it, and when arbitrary detentions 
were made against its cadres and headquarters. The movement never resorted to 
violence, and this is something which the government did not fully appreciate. 
Had the government at least kept up some form of relationship with the Muslim 
Brotherhood, in the manner in which the Jordanian government has sought to 
handle the Islamist offshoot in Amman, then it would have not reached the stage 
of pleading with them for dialogue.

Although it is regionally and internationally recognised that the Muslim 
Brotherhood movement is a significant figure in the Egyptian political 
equation, the Islamist movement has not been immune from the same lethargy that 
infected the Egyptian government, in keeping pace with the new developments. As 
a result, the Brotherhood acted like all other passive Egyptian political 
currents, witnessing the political earthquake brought about by Egypt's youth. 
The movement was neither a leader nor was it active in the earthquake; rather 
it was only influenced by its consequences. It is no surprise that the Muslim 
Brotherhood faced similar protests a few years ago internally, albeit on a 
smaller scale to those in Tahrir Square. They were led by a youth current which 
formed the core of the Hizb al-Wasat. In the manner in which the Egpytian 
government is resisting the popular protest movement demanding change these 
days, the Muslim Brotherhood leadership also resisted youth-led calls for 
change in the past, and suppressed them, maintaining its traditional outlook. 

Had the Brotherhood responded to the calls for internal change, it might have 
emerged in a new guise and held greater influence. This is what happened in 
Turkey, with the Turkish National Salvation Party led by Erdogan, against the 
lacklustre current within the Refah party led by Erbakan, who resisted change 
but failed eventually. Such a failure marked the launch of real progress not 
only for the Islamist current there, but rather for the country in general. In 
short, there is no difference between some Arab governments and opposition 
currents in terms of their weaknesses; their inabilities to evolve and change.

It is natural that there is regional and international apprehension regarding 
the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in the post-earthquake period in Egypt. It 
could be to the advantage of the Brotherhood, and Egypt in general, if the 
movement was to be content with seeking wider recognition for the time being, 
and distance itself from running to the upcoming presidential elections, in a 
manner similar to the Ennahda Movement. The Muslim Brotherhood should employ 
its technocrats, who enjoy a great deal of financial and administrative 
credibility, in order to contribute to the country's development. In Turkey, 
the Islamist current appointed Erdogan as the Mayor of Istanbul, and he was 
indeed a distinguished

[proletar] Nabi Muhammad tukang bantai orang Yahudi...


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[proletar] Arab regimes: Who is next?

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTY2NTg4NDMz


Arab regimes: Who is next?
Published Date: February 09, 2011 

CAIRO: From talks with the opposition to promises not to stay in power forever, 
Arab regimes are taking steps aimed at stopping Tunisian and Egyptian-style 
popular revolts spreading to their doorsteps. Protests about a lack of 
political rights and freedom of expression, corruption and police abuses, 
unemployment and high food prices have sprung up in several countries. Since 
Tunisia's longtime president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was ousted during a 
popular revolt in mid-January, the question on everyone's lips has been: who is 
next?

The first answer came from Egypt, where two weeks of unprecedented protests 
have rocked the three-decade rule of President Hosni Mubarak. Faced with rising 
pressure from the street, Mubarak, 82, announced that he would not seek another 
term when his mandate ends in September, promised reforms and invited the 
opposition to a national dialogue. Those at the talks included the powerful but 
banned Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamists' first official encounter with the 
regime in half a century.

Since then, other Arab leaders have also announced that they will not stay in 
power forever, as once appeared to be the case. Like Mubarak, who stressed that 
his decision not to stand again was taken a long time ago and had nothing to do 
with the deadly protests, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki said his decision 
had been taken beforehand. I have personally decided not to seek another term 
after this one, a decision I made at the beginning of my first term, Maliki 
said, adding that he wanted to chang the constitution to limit premierships to 
two terms.

One of the characteristics of a lack of democracy could be when a leader rules 
for 30 or 40 years, Maliki said. It is a difficult issue for people. It may 
be intolerable, and change is necessary. Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh, 
in power since 1978 through Cold War division, a civil war, rebellions and an 
Al-Qaeda insurgency, has also made concessions in the face of protests. Last 
week, he announced he would freeze proposed constitutional changes that would 
have allowed him to stay in office for life, and said he was opposed to 
hereditary rule.

Tens of thousands nevertheless turned out to protest against him the next day, 
although the opposition then issued a statement calling for Saleh to implement 
the promised reforms, but did not call for further protests. Syria, where 
membership of the Muslim Brotherhood remains punishable by death, although this 
is usually commuted to life in prison, has not made any concessions to the 
opposition and continues to suppress dissent.

However, President Bashar Al-Assad said in a rare interview with the Wall 
Street Journal that the Middle East is diseased with stagnation and its leaders 
must upgrade themselves. Real reform is about how to open up society and how 
to start dialogue, said Assad, who took over from his father Hafez al-Assad in 
2000. In Jordan, King Abdullah II sacked his unpopular prime minister Samir 
Rifai and told his successor, Maaruf Bakhit, to prioritize reform. Bakhit 
opened dialogue with groups including the powerful Islamic Action Front ahead 
of forming his government, although the Front rejected an offer to join the 
cabinet.

Sudan's President Omar Al-Bashir, in power for 21 years and under an 
international arrest warrant for alleged war crimes in Darfur, has also made 
overtures to the opposition, who insist on a government of national unity. 
Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who has ruled with an iron fist since 1969, in 
January voiced support for Tunisia's revolution shortly after saying Ben Ali 
should be in power for life. But I am afraid this revolution ... could be 
stolen. There are maneuvers within the country and by foreign interests, 
Kadhafi said, playing a similar foreign interference card to Mubarak's new Vice 
President Omar Suleiman.

Algeria has so far managed to keep a cap on protests against the regime of 
President Abdelaziz Bouteflika, but the opposition is to stage a rally in 
Algiers on Saturday despite it being banned. The opposition is demanding the 
lifting of a 19-year-old state of emergency and a change of system despite a 
series of liberalization measures announced by Bouteflika a month after deadly 
food riots in January. Morocco, like Egypt, has maintained hefty subsidies on 
basic foodstuffs and gas in a bid to quell popular anger. Rabat has also 
launched job creation programs for graduates, who have vowed to resume protest 
if they are not soon employed, while the government insists it is serene.- AFP

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[proletar] Indonesian mobs step up sectarian violence

Refleksi : Negara Kleptorkratik RI (NKRI) sangat kaya dengan pembunuh disponsor
rezim berkuasa.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/indonesian-mobs-step-up-sectarian-violence-20110208-1alnd.html

Indonesian mobs step up sectarian violence
Tom Allard INDONESIA CORRESPONDENT
February 9, 2011

Attack ... a YouTube image of one of the men being beaten to death.

THE brutal killing of three followers of the Islamic sect Ahmadiyah by a crazed
mob over the weekend and assaults on two Christian churches yesterday have
renewed concerns about growing violence against religious minorities in
Indonesia and the unwillingness of authorities to contain marauding gangs of
Islamist thugs.

Coming as Indonesia celebrates ''interfaith harmony week'', the killings and
assaults are acutely embarrassing for the President, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono,
who has faced criticism for more than a year for turning a blind eye to rising
sectarian attacks, which almost always go unpunished by police.

Late on Monday Dr Yudhoyono expressed his abhorrence at the murders of the
three Ahmadis, ordering a police investigation.

He expressed regret that authorities were unable to contain the group of more
than 1000 people who attacked a house where a group of Ahmadis were staying.

''We cannot tolerate this kind of thing happening again and again,'' Dr
Yudhoyono told journalists.

The attack in the West Java province of Banten was caught on video. It shows
young men beating and stoning the three men to death as they lie near-naked and
bloodied.

One police officer tries to stop the mob. Another policeman stands in the
background watching impassively.

An Ahmadiyah spokesman, Mubarik Achmand, said police had advance notice of the
assault, telling the owner of the house that was attacked, Parman, that he was
antagonising his Muslim neighbours and asking him to leave.

''Parman told the police that they must protect him instead of asking him to
move out of his birthplace,'' Mr Mubarik said. ''Parman then told his friends
in Jakarta of what happened and two sedans from Jakarta arrived Sunday morning
and they rested in Parman's house. The mob came a few hours later.''

Two people have been detained and 13 others are being questioned.

Violence against Ahmadis, who have lived in Indonesia since 1925, has escalated
greatly in the past few years, reaching a high point after the Ministry of
Religious Affairs issued a decree in 2008 finding it to be a deviant sect and
banning it from proselytising.

Last year the conservative Minister for Religious Affairs, Suryadharma Ali,
called for it to be outlawed, citing the country's blasphemy laws and
describing such a measure as an ''act of love''.

According to the Setara Institute, which monitors religious violence, there
were 15 attacks on Ahmadis in 2008, 33 in 2009 and 50 last year. Last month
there were five attacks. Perpetrators have been very rarely brought to justice.
Instead, Ahmadis are often asked to move.

The decree is widely seen as encouraging Islamic vigilantes who detest
Ahmadiyah beliefs that an Indian preacher, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the second
coming of the ''messiah'' supposedly foreshadowed in the Islamic hadith.

Attacks on Christian churches have also risen greatly in recent years; there
were 75 last year. Yesterday a 1500-strong mob burned and ransacked two
churches in Temanggung, Central Java, destroying one of them. A nearby school
was also reportedly badly damaged.

The militants were angry that a Christian man accused of distributing
literature that blasphemed Islam was sentenced to five years' jail rather than
receiving the death penalty.

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[proletar] Re: Makin kuno Kitab makin asli

Saya masih gak percoyo bahwa gulungan laut Mati isinya 99% podo dg Alkitab 
sekarang sebabnya:

1.Barbara Theiring kok menyimpulkan bahwa Yesus kawin sementara Gereja bilang 
tidak.Dalam naskah kuno tadi juga ada berita bahwa ada malaikat pencatat amal 
manusia dipundak kanan dan kiri,ini kan Raqib dan Atit.
2.Tuduhan saya bahwa Alkitab itu molah malih bisa anda buktikan sendiri di Web 
Sabda,caranya ngene:
A.Ketik KAFIR di Alkitab Lama maka akan muncul 273 ayat yg mengandung kata 
KAFIR,lalu pindahlah ke Alkitab Baru nanti tinggal 3 ayat yg mengandung kata 
KAFIR.
B.Kalau belum puas ketik BABI maka akan muncul ayat dari Imamat yg mengandung 
kata Babi,lalu pindahlah ke Alkitab Baru ,wah jebul wis disulap jadi babi Hutan.
lalu tole Ivan juga gak menanggapi soal ayat  ayat yg inconsisten seperti 
Ismail 16 th tapi disampirkan dibahu Hagar(opo gak semplok?),lalu ketika air 
dikirbat habis Ismail dibuang kesemak mak krosak(opo Hagar gak ditinju oleh si 
keledai liar?)
Baiklah kita tutup diskusi ini tapi kesimpulan saya untuk meneliti ayat asli yg 
oleh Jesus seminar gur 18% atau ayat palsu carane ngene:

1.Bila ayat Torat dan Injil tadi ada beda prinsip dg Quran maka palsu.Yang 
paling populer adalah berita Yesus lahir 25 Desember itu berita palsu soale 
Quran bilang pas kurma berbuah jadi sing bener April.Ada gambar gembala 
telanjang dada diruang tamu anda pas kelahiran Yesus,opo gak kademen sementara 
ada pohon Natal bersalju.
Kalau kita mau mengkalibrasi meteran yo bandingen dg meteran standard yg 
disimpan di Sevres.Nek Kitab yo dg Kitab sing wantex.

2.Bila antar ayat di Kitab tsb inconsisten atau kontradiksi dg ayat yg lain 
maka itu adalah palsu.Opo anda percoyo ayat ttg bahu Hagar yg gak semplok itu.

3.Bila ada berita ttg Nabi2 yang pada selingkuh dan mesum ,padahal beliau 
adalah panutan,maka ayat tsb palsu.Sebab Bung Karna saja gak mungkin transparan 
pada anak2nya bahwa dia pernah main dg Gina atau Marilyn Monroe.Ini Allah kok 
membuka aib para panutan secara transparan kipiye.

4.Bila ada kisah2 aneh seperti binatang Unicorn di Wahyu 13:11.
Dan aku melihat seekor binatang lain keluar dari dalam bumi dan bertanduk dua 
sama seperti anak domba dan ia berbicara seperti seekor naga.Opo tole Ivan 
percoyo ayat tsb asli?

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

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 Tawangalun:
 
 Yang pertama mati kita lihat pendapat para pakar sejahrawan dan pakar 
 
 Theologi dan Alkitab Yang bernama Prof Dr Barbara Theiring berasal 
 
 dari Sidney Australia yang mendalami Naskah Laut Mati yaitu Naskah 
 
 tertua injil tertua yang ditemukan di laut mati, beliau  memelajari 
 
 selama 20 Th dan akhirnya terciptalah buku Jesus The Man, kemudian 
 
 menghubungkan dengan ayat bible (injil) dan menemukan bahwa ternyata 
 
 Nabi Isa itu bukan hanya menikah tapi Beliau juga Berpoligami. Dalam 
 
 buku Jesus The Man dijelaskan bahwa upacara-upacara pernikahan Yesus 
 
 ini berusaha dikaburkan oleh gereja.
 =
 Saya ingin tahu kitab Injil apakah yang ditemukan di gua Qumran?
 
 
 Dengan logika anda bahwa kekunoan sebagai parameter, maka anda harus 
 mengakui bahwa dogma yang diyakini Islam selama ini dengan sendirinya gugur, 
 mengapa?
 
 1. Penemuan Gulungan Laut Mati perihal Taurat dan kitab-kitab Perjanjian Lama 
 (PL) lainnya, memperlihatkan bahwa tidak berbeda dengan yang ada sekarang ini 
 pada Yahudi dan Kristen.
 
 2. Aqur'an terbukti salah dalam tudingan : Taurat, Zabur sudah dipalsukan, 
 karena naskah Taurat dan Zabur gulungan laut mati adalah tidak berbeda dengan 
 yang dimiliki Yahudi dan Kristen sekarang ini.
 
 
 Dengan demikian, menurut saya tidak ada lagi yang mesti kita diskusikan 
 karena anda sendiri telah menunjukkan bahwa acuan yang anda gunakan yaitu 
 Alqur'an, telah anda buktikan sendiri ternyata tidak valid.







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[proletar] Indonesia attacks in spotlight

http://www.theage.com.au/world/indonesia-attacks-in-spotlight-20110208-1alkp.html

Indonesia attacks in spotlight 
Tom Allard, Jakarta 
February 9, 2011 
THE killing of three followers of the Islamic sect Ahmadiyah by a mob at the 
weekend and assaults on two churches yesterday have renewed concerns about 
growing violence against religious minorities in Indonesia and the 
unwillingness of authorities to contain marauding gangs of Islamist thugs.

Coming as Indonesia celebrates ''interfaith harmony week'', the incidents are 
embarrassing for Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who has faced 
criticism for more than a year for ignoring rising sectarian attacks, which 
almost always go unpunished by police.

Late on Monday, Dr Yudhoyono expressed his abhorrence at the murders of the 
three Ahmadis, ordering a police investigation and expressing regret that 
authorities were unable to contain the group of more than 1000 people that 
attacked a house where a group of Ahmadis was staying.

''We cannot tolerate this kind of thing from happening again and again,'' Dr 
Yudhoyono said.

The assault in the West Java province of Banten was captured on video that 
shows young men beating and stoning the three men to death as they lay naked 
and bloodied. One police officer tries vainly to stop the mob. Another 
policeman, in the background, watches impassively.

Police had notice of the attack, telling the owner of the house that was 
attacked, Parman, that he was antagonising his Muslim neighbours and asking him 
to leave, said an Ahmadiyah spokesman, Mubarik Achmand.

''Parman told the police that they must protect him instead of asking him to 
move out of his birthplace,'' said Mr Mubarik. ''Parman then told his friends 
in Jakarta of what happened and two sedans from Jakarta arrived Sunday morning 
and they rested in Parman's house . The mob came a few hours later.''

Two people have been detained so far. Thirteen others continue to be questioned.

Violence against Ahmadis has increased dramatically in the past few years, 
spiking after the Ministry of Religious Affairs issued a decree in 2008 finding 
it to be a deviant sect and banning it from proselytising.

Last year, the conservative minister for religious affairs, Suryadharma Ali, 
called for the sect to be outlawed entirely, citing the country's blasphemy 
laws and describing such a measure as an ''act of love''.

According to the Setara Institute, which monitors religious violence, there 
were 15 attacks on Ahmadis in 2008, 33 attacks in 2009 and 50 last year.

The decree is widely seen as encouraging Islamist vigilantes who detest the 
Ahmadiyah belief that an Indian preacher, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the messiah 
foreshadowed in Islamic teaching.

Attacks on Christian churches have also risen dramatically, with 75 last year. 
Yesterday, a 1500-strong mob burned and ransacked two churches in Temanggung, 
Central Java, destroying one of them.

The militants were angry that a Christian man accused of distributing 
literature that blasphemed against Islam was sentenced to five years in prison 
and did not receive the death penalty.


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[proletar] Re: Makin kuno Kitab makin asli

Wah yang ada kok gambar kuburan,sedangkan yg saya diskusikan Kitab2 yg 
terdahulu di Quran itu Zabur,Torat dan Injil.Kalau makin kuno yo tambah asli.
Kalau anda mau mengkalibrasi meteran yo standardnya meteran yg disimpan 
dimuseum Sevres sebab itu yg kuno.
Lalu gimana mau tahu ayat Injil dan Torat asli wis gak ada,ya sudah pakai Quran 
saja kan ada garansi wantex tex tex.Naskah Usmani yo masih disimpan dimuseum 
Saudy sana.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

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 bicara tentang makin kuno
 silahkan click yg dibawah ini 
 
 apa komen-mu Wang ??
 
 http://www.funzu.com/index.php/crazy-pics/not-many-muslims-had-the-opportunity-to-see-this-01122009.html
 
 
 
 
 ---On Tue, 2/8/11, Tawangalun tawangalun@... wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Makin kuno Kitab makin asli
 
 
 
 Berhubung tole Ivan ini sependapat dg saya bahwa makin kuno Kitab makin
 
 asli,malah menyebut nyebut soal naskah Laut mati,maka ini saya suguhkan 
 perihal
 
 yg dimaksud.
 
 
 
 Apakah benar Yesus pernah menikah, sebelum kita bahas mari kita lihat
 
 Alqur'an:
 
 Qs.[13.38] Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah mengutus beberapa Rasul
 
 sebelum
 
 kamu dan Kami memberikan kepada mereka istri-istri dan keturunan. Dan
 
 tidak ada hak bagi seorang Rasul mendatangkan sesuatu ayat (mukjizat)
 
 melainkan dengan izin Allah.Bagi tiap-tiap masa ada Kitab (yang
 
 tertentu).
 
 
 
 Berdasarkan Ayat ini jelas bahwa setiap nabi mempunyai Istri, dan
 
 tidak menutup kemungkinan Yesus juga memiliki Istri. Tetapi oleh
 
 gereja hal ini ditutup-tutupi. Apakah benar informasi Alqur'an ini
 
 mari kita bahas.
 
 
 
 Yang pertama mati kita lihat pendapat para pakar sejahrawan dan pakar
 
 Theologi dan Alkitab Yang bernama Prof Dr Barbara Theiring berasal
 
 dari Sidney Australia yang mendalami Naskah Laut Mati yaitu Naskah
 
 tertua injil tertua yang ditemukan di laut mati, beliau memelajari
 
 selama 20 Th dan akhirnya terciptalah buku Jesus The Man, kemudian
 
 menghubungkan dengan ayat bible (injil) dan menemukan bahwa ternyata
 
 Nabi Isa itu bukan hanya menikah tapi Beliau juga Berpoligami. Dalam
 
 buku Jesus The Man dijelaskan bahwa upacara-upacara pernikahan Yesus
 
 ini berusaha dikaburkan oleh gereja.
 
 Untuk lebih jelasnya silahkan baca Injil markus 14 :3: ...Datanglah
 
 seorang membawa suatu buli-buli pualam berisi minyak murni yang mahal
 
 harganya. Setelah dipecahkannya leher buli-buli itu, dicurahkan
 
 minyak
 
 itu ke atas kepala Yesus.
 
 Silahkan baca lagi injil Lukas 7:37-38: (maria magdalena membawa
 
 buli-buli pualam berisi minyak wangi) sambil menangis ia pergi
 
 berdiri
 
 dibelakang Yesus dekat kakinya, lalu membasahi kakinya itu dengan air
 
 matanya dan menyekanya dengan rambutnya, kemudian ia mencium kakinya
 
 dan meminyakinya dengan minyak wangi itu.
 
 
 
 Menurut para pakar sejahrawan dan dan alkitab Prof Dr Barbara
 
 Theiring
 
 dalam bukunya Jesus The Man. Upacara seorang wanita membawa minyak
 
 wangi , kemudian menuangkan kerambutnya kemudian mengusapkan
 
 rambutnya
 
 kepada kaki laki-laki serta mencium kaki laki-laki. ini adala
 
 merupakan pernikahan bangsawan Yahudi.
 
 Untuk lebih jelasnya silahkan baca kidung agung 1: Kiranya ia mencium
 
 aku dengan kecupan! karena cintamu lebih nikmat dari pada anggur,
 
 harum bau minyakmu, bagaikan minyak yang tercurah ...
 
 lihat lagi injil Lukas 7:37-38, dengan jelas Maria magdalena
 
 mencurahkan minyak dan mencium kaki Yesus. jadi ini adalah merupakan
 
 upacara PERNIKAHAN BANGSAWAN YAHUDI. Tapi sayang nya dalam injil
 
 upacara seperti ini disembunyikan...! seolah-olah istilah ini adalah
 
 seolah-olah maria Magdalena adalah perempuan berdosa datang meminta
 
 ampun kapada Yesus. DAN ITU TIDAKLAH BENAR. Itu adalah perbuatan
 
 gereja yang berusaha menutupi fakta sejarah bahwa Yesus sebenarnya
 
 pernah menikah di kana'an.
 
 Untuk lebih jelasnya pada bukunya Prof Dr Barbara Theiring yang
 
 bejudul Jesus The Man mengatakan : Pernikahan Yesus dan Maria
 
 Magdalena sangat jelas kelihatan dari kata-kata di dalam injil
 
 (seperti yang terlampir di atas) KARENA SEORANG PEREMPUAN MENCIUM
 
 LAKI-LAKI YANG BUKAN MUHRIMNYA ITU HUKUMANNYA, ADALAH HUKUMAN MATI.
 
 Nah..! Sekarang kenapa dalam injil Lukas Maria Magdalena yang mencium
 
 kaki Yesus tidak dihukum Mati...? Jawabannya adalah karena Maria
 
 Magdalena dan Yesus sedang melaksanakan upacara pernikahan. setelah
 
 keempat injil seolah-olah bungkam terhadap pernikahan Yesus ..!
 
 ternyata masih ada injil yang menyatakan bahwa Maria Magdalena adalah
 
 istri Yesus. Injil itu adalah injil Filipus, dan injil ini ditolak
 
 dan dianggap apokripa oleh gereja. Kenapa ditolak ...? karena kalo
 
 gereja menerima injil Filipus maka Yesus yang dikatakan Anak Allah
 
 dan
 
 dikatakan sebagai Tuhan itu ternyata mempunyai istri dan punya anak
 
 berarti akan ada anaknya Tuhan dan ada Cucunya Tuhan...!
 
 Dan untuk mengetahui kapan Yesus

[proletar] Re: Angket anjing di Republika..

Ahmadiyah itu sampai sekarang masih tetep:

1.Pakai nama Islam.KTP nya tertulis Islam.
2.Pakai Quran .
3.Nama tempat ibadahnya tetep masjid.
Jadi ibaratnya dia pakai kemasan bertulisan AQUA ning dalamnya bukan 
AQUA.Itulah yg ditentang oleh MUI.
Cobalah mereka sadar suruh ngrubah:
1.Nama agamanya Ahmadiyah Qodian.
2.Jangan pakai Quran.
3.Tempat ibadahnya diganti Kelenteng.
Nanti dijamin akan aman.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... wrote:

 
 Lagian, seperti kata Widura, 
 
 Kalo kasus ahmadiah, bilangnya kenapa ngga bikin agama yg beda supaya ngga
 diributin...lha kalo ini, agamanya udah beda tapi tetep aja diributin
 juga...ribut teruss...kapan majunya ??...
 
 Ingat apa yang dialamai oleh orang Nasrani yang gerejanya suka dibakar..
 
 Indonesia sudah terpuruk dan sudah tidak banyak bedanya dengan Afghanistan 
 atau Pakistan.
 
 
 --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@ wrote:
 
  Itu artinya angket tsb mengajak secara tdk lsg utk mengatur keyakinan
  orang lain.
  
  Sama seperti menteri agama yang menyuruh ahmadiah membuat agama baru
  saja, artinya mentri mencoba mengatur keyakinan org lain. Negara sudah
  mencoba mengatur urusan keyakinan. Ini ngawur habis
  
  si menteri itu sendiri juga pasti gak mau kalau keyakinannya diatur
  oleh negara atau oleh org lain. Dasar menteri ngawur
  
  On 2/8/11, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
  
   Konflik antara penganut Ahmadiyah dan umat Islam kembali terjadi. Manakah
   dari opsi berikut yang menurut Anda terbaik diambil pemerintah untuk
   menyelesaikan permasalahan Ahmadiyah?
  
   -   Melarang penyebaran ajaran Ahmadiyah sesuai SKB 3 Menteri
  
   -  Menjadikan ajaran Ahmadiyah sebagai aliran kepercayaan dengan
   menanggalkan atribut Islam
  
   - Membubarkan Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) dan menyatakannya aliran
   sesat
  
   Tidak terbuka kesempatan bagi yang menginginkan kebebasan beragama untuk
   memilih buat mengakui hak Jemmaah Ahmadiyah untuk mengatakan bahwa mereka
   itu adalah penganut agama Islam.
  
  
  
  
  
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[proletar] Call to end female genital mutilation

http://www.dailychilli.com/news/9530-call-to-end-female-genital-mutilation

Call to end female genital mutilation 


Top UN officials are calling for an end to female genital mutilation, saying it 
violates fundamental human rights and endangers the health of 3 million girls 
who undergo the practice annually.

Anthony Lake, chief of the UN Children's Fund, and Babatunde Osotimehin, head 
of the UN Population Fund, called Monday on countries and organisations 
worldwide to help end the practice.

The officials say more than 6,000 communities in Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya and 
Senegal have dropped the practice because of a three-year-old UN program.

Female genital mutilation, also known as female circumcision, is the removal of 
external genitalia to limit sexual activity. 

It can cause prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and death.
Source: AP

Published Feb 8 2011


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[proletar] Re: Jangan lupa yang membantai anggota PKI tahun 1965 adalaha orang Islam juga

Loh la Bapakku tgl 25-12-1949 saya masih umur 2 th ditembak sama tentara pro 
PKI yg dikomandani Katamso,Komandan Batalyon 447 di Klaten.Opo saya gur latihan 
militer oleh RPKAD saja gak boleh?ndelalah gantian Katamso th 1965 yg dijegurke 
PKI kedalam sumur di Kentungan Yogya.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... wrote:

 
 Jangan lupa yang membantai ratusan ribu (jutaan?) anggota PKI tahun 1965-1966 
 terutama adalah orang Islam juga.
 
 Tawang termasuk orang yang dididik oleh serdadu untuk membunuhi pendukung 
 Orde Lama.
 
 Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang sungguh biadab, kejam, keji,  zalim, 
 ganas lagi biadab.
 
 Mengerikan.







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[proletar] Re: tahukah anda...

Memang wong ngidak idak Quran itu gak akan kewalat Wan.Dulu setiap ada rapat 
PKI dilapangan pasti untuk membakar semangat si penceramah ngidak idak Quran 
dulu,memang gak langsung kewalat.Ning th 1965 berapa kurban PKI yang dipateni 
wong NU.Ketua D.N.Aidit saja disembur sendiri oleh Kol.Yasir Hadibrata pakai 
stendgun didaerah Boyolali. 

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@... wrote:

 
 tahukah anda, bahwasanya saya pernah menginjak al-quran didepan keluarga 
 saya...
 
 merekalah saksinya...
 
 dan well...
 
 saya tidak tahu ada apa di benak mereka, tapi mungkin mereka semakin 
 moderat...(saya lihat mereka semakin moderat)...







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[proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !

Orang Ahmadiyah itu ibarat melakukan pemalsuan merk yo pasti dibabat,coba pikir:

1.Namanya masih Islam.KTP dia tertulis Islam.
2.Tempat ibadahnya dinamai masjid.mbok Klenteng wae.
3.Masih pakai Quran.mbok Kitab Gatoloco wae.
Itu ibarat kemasannya pakai merk AQUA ning dalamnya air sumur,yo pasti 
menimbulkan gejolak.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote:

 Tawang,
 
 Kamu membela kekerasaan dengan membandingkan masalah orang lain dengan 
 Indonesia. Kamu sudah ekbanyakan makan korma sampai otakmu menjadi kecil 
 seperti biji korma.  Lihat ini dan renungkan  agar otakmu kembali besar 
 sebagai kelapa yang sangat berguna bagi manusia di Nusantara : 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4
 
 Wass
 
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Tawangalun 
   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:42 AM
   Subject: [proletar] Re: Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy 
 Kemanusiaan !
 
 
 
   jane nasibnya minoritas Ahmadiyah itu gak beda dg Islam di Patany Thai 
 Selatan atau Islam Moro Filipin.Cuman Genduk pasti bilang bahwa yg terjadi di 
 Pathany dan Moro bukan nglanggar HAM.Ning nek thd Ahmadiyah pasti disebut 
 nglanggar HAM.Makane saya itu gak begitu percoyo dg HAM HEM HAM HEM.
 
   Shalom,
   Tawangalun.
 
   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, muskitawati muskitawati@ wrote:
   
Duka Cita Nasional Pembantaian Ahmadiah Tragedy Kemanusiaan !

Sekarang baru terasa gunanya untuk memblok Youtube, karena filem 
 pembantaian tiga orang jemaah Ahmadiah betul2 menggiriskan, bukan cuma di 
 Indonesia, diseluruh dunia mengutuknya, kita tinggal tunggu kemampuan sang 
 MenkoInfo, prestasinya ditentukan SBY disini.

Rakyat Indonesia harus berdemo menuntut SBY mengabadikan tragedy ini 
 sebagai duka cita Nasional sehingga tercatat dalam sejarah dan diperingati 
 setiap tahun. Ini penting untuk membubarkan partai2 yang terlibat dalam 
 pembunuhan keji ini.

SKB itu bukan keputusan pengadilan sehingga ilegal tidak syah dan 
 inkonstitutional. Membubarkan atau melarang partai pun harus melalui 
 pengadilan dan melalui keputusan pengadilan bukan cuma ditanda tangani oleh 
 menteri saja.

Kalo perlu bikin demo lebih besar dari Mesir, tuntut SBY supaya turun, 
 sama seperti Hosni Mubarak, belum tiba waktunya pun sudah boleh dipaksa turun 
 karena melanggar konstitusi, dia korupsi dan memutar balik konstitusi dengan 
 menanda tangani SKB. Dalam pembunuhan ini langsung terlibat Polisi, partai 
 Politik, MUI, Menteri agama dan Presiden yang secara inkonstitutional 
 mengabaikan pengadilan menanda tangani pelarangan agama yang merupakan 
 pelanggaran HAM.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.
   
 
 
 
   
 
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[proletar] Re: Nabi Muhammad tukang bantai orang Yahudi...

La tahu gak mengapa kok dulu banyak Yahudi yg do migrasi ke Madinah,rela 
meninggalkan tanah yg dijanjikan yg jauh lebih subur?soale di Kitab mereka yg 
masih asli tertulis bahwa Nabi baru nanti akan berdomisili di Madinah.Mandang 
Nabi yg muncul kok wong Arab lantas mereka gero gero.Padahal Arab gelem ngimani 
Yesus yang Yahudi,but sebaliknya enggak .Jadi Islam itu apik.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

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 Mohammed Massacre Of Jews Sirat P461 Animation
 
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Re: [proletar] Re: Angket anjing di Republika..

tapi kenapa 3 gereja di Temanggung dibakar ??



--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Tawangalun tawanga...@yahoo.com wrote:







 



  



  
  
  Ahmadiyah itu sampai sekarang masih tetep:



1.Pakai nama Islam.KTP nya tertulis Islam.

2.Pakai Quran .

3.Nama tempat ibadahnya tetep masjid.

Jadi ibaratnya dia pakai kemasan bertulisan AQUA ning dalamnya bukan 
AQUA.Itulah yg ditentang oleh MUI.

Cobalah mereka sadar suruh ngrubah:

1.Nama agamanya Ahmadiyah Qodian.

2.Jangan pakai Quran.

3.Tempat ibadahnya diganti Kelenteng.

Nanti dijamin akan aman.



Shalom,

Tawangalun.










 





 



  






  

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[proletar] Re: Hasyim Muzadi:Ahmadiyah Sebaiknya Jadi Agama Sendiri


 Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... wrote:
 Nih contoh orang NU yang dikatakan
 toleran itu... Ntar, seperti dikatkan
 oleh Widura, kalo sudak jadi agama
 sendiri toh bakal tetap saja diuber-
 uber, kayak pengikut agama Nasrani yang
 juga dibacokin dan gerejnya dibakarin...

Lhooo... Islam Ahmadiah dari dulu juga merupakan agama tersendiri.  Lalu mau 
disendirikan gimana lagi???  Wong umat Islam Ahmadiah dilarang campur koq 
dengan agama lain termasuk Islam aliran lainnya.

Benar, Muzadi itu asal cuap aja, biarpun Islam Ahmadiah sudah jadi agama lain 
diganti namanya pasti ada aja di-cari2 agar bisa dipunahkan.  Katakanlah Islam 
Ahmadiah diganti namanya jadi Hindu Ahmadiah, pasti mesjidnya dihancurin juga 
dengan alasannya enggak boleh niru2 Islam pakai mesjid.  Padahal mesjid dalam 
Islam itu asalnya niru2 dari shrine Yahudi.

Begitulah, ganti nama, ganti mesjid, tetap bisa dicari gara2 lagi, yaitu tidak 
boleh pakai Quran, dilarang menggunakan Quran, dilarang menggunakan bahasa 
Arab, dlsb, dlsb.

Islam Ahmadiah sama sekali tidak melanggar akidah Islam, karena akidah Islam 
itu adalah rukun Islam, Quran dan Hadist.

Yang melanggar akidah Islam itu adalah agama Kristen, karena meniga-kan Allah, 
manusia biasa disembah sebagai Allah, inilah betul2 melanggar akidah.  Kenapa 
Kristen dan Nasrani itu tidak disuruh ganti nama jangan pake nama Allah karena 
nama Allah sudah milik Islam ???

Masalahnya, Kristen, Nasrani, Hindu Buddha punya kekuatan senjata yang jauh 
lebih manjur dari kekuatan Islam yang cuma modal iman kemudian mati bunuh diri.

Yaaah... stop aja deh, jangan berdebat kusir.  Selama umat Islam Ahmadiah tidak 
campur2 agama lain mereka tidak bersalah, yang salah yang cari gara2 mau 
mengubah ajaran Islam Ahmadiah.

Bayangin dong kalo agama anda dipaksa untuk diubah, marah enggak???  Naah... 
kira2 sama lah, tidak bisa kita memaksa agar umat Islam Ahmadiah mengubah 
ajaran agamanya seperti maunya Islam MUI.  Setiap aliran Islam punya akidah 
yang berbeda, bahkan Syiah menganggap bahwa utusan Allah bukanlah nabi Muhammad 
melainkan Hussein.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.













 
   
 
 Hasyim Muzadi:
 Ahmadiyah Sebaiknya Jadi Agama Sendiri
 
 Jakarta, 8 Pebruari 2011 08:30
 Mantan ketua umum Pengurus Besar Nahdlatul Ulama (PBNU) KH Hasyim Muzadi 
 mengatakan, Ahmadiyah sebaiknya menjadi agama sendiri yang berada di luar 
 Islam. Pasalnya, ajaran itu bermasalah karena mengatasnamakan Islam tetapi 
 tidak sesuai dengan ajaran Islam.
 
 Seandainya Ahmadiyah menjadi agama sendiri, maka Ahmadiyah itu dalam posisi 
 menjalani hak sebagai warga negara dalam beragama, kata Hasyim, di Jakarta, 
 Senin (7/2).
 
 Menurutnya, sikap pengikut Ahmadiyah yang bersikeras menyatakan diri Islam 
 itulah yang membuat orang Islam merasa dilecehkan. Penodaan agama itu 
 berbeda dengan kebebasan beragama. Ini kadang orang tidak bisa membedakan, 
 kata pengasuh Pondok Pesantren Al Hikam Malang dan Depok tersebut.
 
 Meski demikian, lanjutnya, terlepas bahwa Ahmadiyah menyeleweng dari Islam, 
 pengikutnya tetap tidak boleh diperlakukan tidak layak seperti yang terjadi 
 di Cikeusik, Pandeglang, Banten. Aparat kepolisian harus bertindak tegas dan 
 menghukum para pelakunya, kata Hasyim terkait penyerangan terhadap pengikut 
 Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik, Minggu (6/2), yang menewaskan tiga orang dan melukai 
 sejumlah orang lainnya.
 
 Ditanya soal kemungkinan pengikut Ahmadiyah diletakkan di suatu pulau 
 tersendiri, Hasyim mengatakan, hal itu sama dengan mengisolasi mereka, dan 
 upaya menyadarkan mereka juga semakin sulit.
 
 Dijelaskannya, sejak lama para ulama NU dan Muhammadiyah berusaha untuk 
 menyadarkan warga Ahmadiyah agar menjalankan ajaran Islam secara benar, namun 
 diakuinya hal itu belum banyak berhasil. Tak mudah mengubah keyakinan 
 seseorang. Ini yang kemudian terjadi gesekan-gesekan seperti kejadian di 
 Cikeusik, katanya.
 
 Hasyim mendukung penyelesaian masalah Ahmadiyah melalui Surat Keputusan 
 Bersama (SKB) tiga menteri meski diakuinya pelaksanaan SKB di lapangan masih 
 kedodoran. SKB tidak salah apa-apa. Sebagai ketentuan sudah relevan. Hanya 
 pelaksanaan SKB yang kedodoran, katanya.
 
 Sementara itu, cendekiawan Muslim Azyumardi Azra menilai insiden Ahmadiyah di 
 Cikeusik bukan karena SKB tiga menteri.
 
 Bahkan, lanjutnya, jika SKB diubah dan Ahmadiyah dinyatakan sebagai 
 organisasi terlarang, hal itu justru bertentangan dengan konstitusi yang 
 memberikan dan mengizinkan orang untuk berserikat dan berkumpul. Jadi kalau 
 untuk kepastian hukum harus bawa ke pengadilan, katanya. [EL, Ant] URL: 
 http://www.gatra.com/versi_cetak.php?id=145338







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[proletar] Pengakuan jujur mantan anak muslim

Jusfiq kesayangan.al...@gmail.com wrote:
Dan betul, seperti juga kebanyakanorang Indonesia, orang tua saya 
membaca buku taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif itu.



Dan bagusnya, karena orang tua saya yang adalah orang-orang yang cerdas,
 tidak henti-hentinya mereka mempertanyakan kebenaran isi buku taik 
anjing al-Mushaf itu...


Dan jangan lupa, meskipun cerdas sisa2 darah ajaran muslim tidak mudah dihapus
seperti membalik telapak tangan.. meskipun sudah ber-taon2 menetap dirantau...
sifat biadab, bar-bar  akan tetap melekat.. 
ber lagak innocent.. tapi bacot pispot sulit di tutup2-i

sebagai referensi  ke 1 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

 
sebagai referensi ke 2 : kita lihat bersama responnya ( prok prok prok.com )







 





 



  






  

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