Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
I'm on Sonar 8.5, so anything after that, I'd have no idea. I've not even looked into it. It's not so much I'm quote: threatening to go back to Sonar. That sounds like a very strong word's way of putting it. But think about this realisticly: If I cannot accomplish the work I need to accomplish, thew way I, or the client needs it to be accomplished in one daw, then, don't you think the choice is, either get a DAW that will do it, or lose money? Sure there is make Avid aware, which I have and will, but I don't in the pro world have time to sit here on my couch and wait for them to do what they wanna do when they wanna do it, whilst I'm over here losing clientship. No hard feelings meant, just stating the britual truth that we need to consider. Chris. - Original Message - From: "David Eagle" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility I think we definitely have to be united and make Avid aware of what's going on. Any solutions to the issue that we could offer them would be helpful too. I'm not sure if threatening to go back to Sonar would work as I thought that Sonar is no longer accessible since 8.5. Personally, I am still using Sonar 8.5 to do my work at home, but I am goign to need to use ProTools professionally, so communication with Avid is really important for me. On 12/06/2012, Chris Norman wrote: Hehe, no, true, but if you're only doing some basic stuff, this works. I'll have another stuff while I'm recording this afternoon, but I don't remember things being that terrible when I tried earlier. HTH. On 12/06/2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Yeah, but like you say, this gives me not much flexibility. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Chris Norman" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility OK all, I know it's not great, but I haven't looked into it much with regards to editing the parameters, but you can still change the presets, you just need to mouse click (vo-shift-space) on the controls. HTH. On 08/06/2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, Stefan. I'll try it then. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Stefan Albertshauser" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Hi, it works. I know it, because I made the change, when I had Version 10.1 Best wishes Stefan Am 08.06.2012 um 01:32 schrieb Christopher-Mark Gilland: I don't see that alias. Is that cause I downgraded back to 10.0? Is this only in 10.2? If this really works, then I'd be willing to try it again. Any guinepigs on here willing to try? Chris. - Original Message - From: "Stefan Albertshauser" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Hi, It is the new plugin format. Some plugins are still in the old RTAS Format and others are in the new Aax Format. If you want to use only the old plugins, go to applications / Avid/ pro tools. There, you will find an alias called "AAX plugins". Click this. Then you are in the folder, where the AAx plugins are. Select all and delete them. If you then launch pro tools, you will find the old plugins and nothing else. If you want to update your pro tools, make sure, that in the installation program the checkbox called "Avid Effects" or so is unchecked. This is the only workaround, we have at the moment. If Pro tools 11 is out, we could have a possibility to control plugin parameters; use a control surface. For IOS devices, an app called "pro remote" is available. I wonder, if there isn't verbal feedback from the device. I can't test it, because I don't have an IOS device. But, if it works, there will be another possibility, we have. Best wishes StefanAm 07.06.2012 um 17:18 schrieb Ronald van Rhijn: Hi guys, I am a bit confused about the inaccessibility of the plugins as from pt10. Not everybody seems to have the same experiences. Is it the version of pt10 or osx or something else?What's the real story? thx, Ronald -- Take care, Chris Norman. -- Take care, Chris Norman. -- http://www.davideagle.co.uk
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
When was Slau returnning anyway, can't recall what he said. Wasn't it the 29th? Chris. - Original Message - From: "David Eagle" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Interesting news about Sonar X1. I'll be interested to hear what Slau thinks about these latest ProTools developments (or lack there of) with ProTools, when he returns from his brake. On 12/06/2012, Brian Casey wrote: I'm in a similar position, but I hadn't invested in PT yet. As it seems to be going down hill once again at present, my hopes of moving rom sonar to PT in the next year or two are very much up in the air. While sonar 8.5 won't be obsolete or completely out classed in terms of being an option for the blind recordist for a while, things aren't particularly looking up. dancing Dots are by all acounts working on x1 last I heard. Perhaps its time to really push for logic accessability as Reaper doesn't seem to be doing too well either. They all seem to be on some what of a downward trajectory at present. Brian. -- From: "David Eagle" Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:07 PM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility I think we definitely have to be united and make Avid aware of what's going on. Any solutions to the issue that we could offer them would be helpful too. I'm not sure if threatening to go back to Sonar would work as I thought that Sonar is no longer accessible since 8.5. Personally, I am still using Sonar 8.5 to do my work at home, but I am goign to need to use ProTools professionally, so communication with Avid is really important for me. On 12/06/2012, Chris Norman wrote: Hehe, no, true, but if you're only doing some basic stuff, this works. I'll have another stuff while I'm recording this afternoon, but I don't remember things being that terrible when I tried earlier. HTH. On 12/06/2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Yeah, but like you say, this gives me not much flexibility. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Chris Norman" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility OK all, I know it's not great, but I haven't looked into it much with regards to editing the parameters, but you can still change the presets, you just need to mouse click (vo-shift-space) on the controls. HTH. On 08/06/2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, Stefan. I'll try it then. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Stefan Albertshauser" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Hi, it works. I know it, because I made the change, when I had Version 10.1 Best wishes Stefan Am 08.06.2012 um 01:32 schrieb Christopher-Mark Gilland: I don't see that alias. Is that cause I downgraded back to 10.0? Is this only in 10.2? If this really works, then I'd be willing to try it again. Any guinepigs on here willing to try? Chris. - Original Message - From: "Stefan Albertshauser" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Hi, It is the new plugin format. Some plugins are still in the old RTAS Format and others are in the new Aax Format. If you want to use only the old plugins, go to applications / Avid/ pro tools. There, you will find an alias called "AAX plugins". Click this. Then you are in the folder, where the AAx plugins are. Select all and delete them. If you then launch pro tools, you will find the old plugins and nothing else. If you want to update your pro tools, make sure, that in the installation program the checkbox called "Avid Effects" or so is unchecked. This is the only workaround, we have at the moment. If Pro tools 11 is out, we could have a possibility to control plugin parameters; use a control surface. For IOS devices, an app called "pro remote" is available. I wonder, if there isn't verbal feedback from the device. I can't test it, because I don't have an IOS device. But, if it works, there will be another possibility, we have. Best wishes StefanAm 07.06.2012 um 17:18 schrieb Ronald van Rhijn: Hi guys, I am a bit confused about the inaccessibility of the plugins as from pt10. Not everybody seems to have the same experiences. Is it the version of pt10 or osx or something else?What's the real story? thx, Ronald -- Take care, Chris Norman. -- Take care, Chris Norman. -- http://www.davideagle.co.uk -- http://www.davideagle.co.uk
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
You wrote: Remember the "Garget Note" eventually gets fixed! You just half to target the solution! ROFL! I remember that thread! That was hillarious! Chris.
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
At present, Pro TOols 9.0.6 is solid, and the accessibility issues don't break till 10.2. So, Those wanting to move to a PT system, 9.06 is the ticket. The world isn't coming to an end here. It's just that the AAX format isn't supported. So, don't upgrade. Also, I wonder if one could install all of the RTAS plugs from 10.0 into the 10.2 environment. Think all you need to do is copy the plugin file to the plugins folder and then the setting folders to their respective spots. If this were the case, you'd still be in business whilst upgrading to the newest rig so you can take advantage of newer Mac OS upgrades and the like. We're not dead here. We just need to find a workaround. Your thoughts? Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Kevin, I think this work around with 10.0 and 10.2 is what Stefan (apologies can't spell correctly) was refering to earlier in this thread. At least from what I gathered, I think he was suggesting while updating PT to uncheck a box that would install AAX plugins normally, which would then leave the RTAS plugs from the previous install of P|T on the system and available to use. Personally, as I haven't invested in PT yet I'd just be a bit worried that further updates would phase out RTAS plugs and AAX may not get ffixed, and I'd also be nervous that if I wished to buy a copy in the future, it mightn't be so easy or practical to get my hands on a version that isn't broken. Which are all valid concerns. But like you say, none of this is the end of the world, but Avid seem to be updating PT quite regularly these days, so things could slip away faster than expected and there might be even more playing catch-up to do in terms of gaining accessability. Then again, all this is still less damage then say for example the move from sonar 8.5 to sonar x1 on the PC side of things, which effectively broke all accessability entirely, at least until someone develops a product free or otherwise to address that. Your thoughts are appreciated on this Kevin, as I would view you as a professional very much reliant on PT now from what I've gathered. Unfortunately, for workflow reasons, financial reasons and probably a lack of confidence I'm still sitting on the fence about PT, but it's the likes of yourself that give me hope, particularly in the light of these small set backs as Avid make new releases. Thanks Brian. -- From: "Kevin Reeves" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:27 AM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility At present, Pro TOols 9.0.6 is solid, and the accessibility issues don't break till 10.2. So, Those wanting to move to a PT system, 9.06 is the ticket. The world isn't coming to an end here. It's just that the AAX format isn't supported. So, don't upgrade. Also, I wonder if one could install all of the RTAS plugs from 10.0 into the 10.2 environment. Think all you need to do is copy the plugin file to the plugins folder and then the setting folders to their respective spots. If this were the case, you'd still be in business whilst upgrading to the newest rig so you can take advantage of newer Mac OS upgrades and the like. We're not dead here. We just need to find a workaround. Your thoughts? Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go a long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface mappings etc etc. I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly through a few more versions. They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. Brian. -- From: "Kevin Reeves" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Hi Brian, RTAS is absolutely gone in PT 11! :) This comes directly from inside the DS! For further clarification by all means here is my phone #! Talk soon CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 GUFFAWING :) In GOD I Trust On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Brian Casey wrote: > Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. > > Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go a > long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface mappings > etc etc. > > I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly > through a few more versions. > > They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. > > Brian. > > -- > From: "Kevin Reeves" > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM > To: > Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility > >> Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained >> all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were >> to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer >> support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I >> use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for >> Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in >> Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains >> to be seen. >> >> Kevin >
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Kevin, If I made it sound like the government was gonna drop a thermo nuclear bomb tomorrow and all hell would break loose, my apologies. I'm not saying we're totally s o l here, as you're right, we're not, but I just wonder how long we'll be able to use the work around you stated. I can't recall who on list said this about a week ago, but in P T 11, apparently, RTAS is totally! going bye bye, in his words. With this said, does this mean the framework wouldn't be there, thus, making it impossible to copy them over? Also where would one go in 10.0 to find the RTAS plugins to copy them and back them up both for archival purpose, as well as to paste them in over top of the A A X stuff? You also say the settings need to be moved to their correct places. Where does one find where that stuff is in the Finder? Chris. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility At present, Pro TOols 9.0.6 is solid, and the accessibility issues don't break till 10.2. So, Those wanting to move to a PT system, 9.06 is the ticket. The world isn't coming to an end here. It's just that the AAX format isn't supported. So, don't upgrade. Also, I wonder if one could install all of the RTAS plugs from 10.0 into the 10.2 environment. Think all you need to do is copy the plugin file to the plugins folder and then the setting folders to their respective spots. If this were the case, you'd still be in business whilst upgrading to the newest rig so you can take advantage of newer Mac OS upgrades and the like. We're not dead here. We just need to find a workaround. Your thoughts? Kevin=
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Brian, You say Sonar now has all accessibility broken, I don't wanna veer off the p t topic, as this list isn't for the talk of Sonar, but real quickly, if you don't mind me asking, what about j sonar, are there no snap shots to support the newer versions after 8.5? Also, can one still use Sonar Talking, or has that also broken. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Brian Casey" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Kevin, I think this work around with 10.0 and 10.2 is what Stefan (apologies can't spell correctly) was refering to earlier in this thread. At least from what I gathered, I think he was suggesting while updating PT to uncheck a box that would install AAX plugins normally, which would then leave the RTAS plugs from the previous install of P|T on the system and available to use. Personally, as I haven't invested in PT yet I'd just be a bit worried that further updates would phase out RTAS plugs and AAX may not get ffixed, and I'd also be nervous that if I wished to buy a copy in the future, it mightn't be so easy or practical to get my hands on a version that isn't broken. Which are all valid concerns. But like you say, none of this is the end of the world, but Avid seem to be updating PT quite regularly these days, so things could slip away faster than expected and there might be even more playing catch-up to do in terms of gaining accessability. Then again, all this is still less damage then say for example the move from sonar 8.5 to sonar x1 on the PC side of things, which effectively broke all accessability entirely, at least until someone develops a product free or otherwise to address that. Your thoughts are appreciated on this Kevin, as I would view you as a professional very much reliant on PT now from what I've gathered. Unfortunately, for workflow reasons, financial reasons and probably a lack of confidence I'm still sitting on the fence about PT, but it's the likes of yourself that give me hope, particularly in the light of these small set backs as Avid make new releases. Thanks Brian. -- From: "Kevin Reeves" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:27 AM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility At present, Pro TOols 9.0.6 is solid, and the accessibility issues don't break till 10.2. So, Those wanting to move to a PT system, 9.06 is the ticket. The world isn't coming to an end here. It's just that the AAX format isn't supported. So, don't upgrade. Also, I wonder if one could install all of the RTAS plugs from 10.0 into the 10.2 environment. Think all you need to do is copy the plugin file to the plugins folder and then the setting folders to their respective spots. If this were the case, you'd still be in business whilst upgrading to the newest rig so you can take advantage of newer Mac OS upgrades and the like. We're not dead here. We just need to find a workaround. Your thoughts? Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
I thought that you said to me once kevin that Logic wasn't at all accessible? Did I miss something here? You say you could sequence in logic... do tell. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. Kevin=
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
And from what I hear, pt 11's already in the works. I'm thinking, what the heck! People? Chris. - Original Message - From: "Brian Casey" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go a long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface mappings etc etc. I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly through a few more versions. They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. Brian. -- From: "Kevin Reeves" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Chuck, You forgot to include your number in the e-mail here, and honestly, I would like to discuss this a bit more with you, via voice of you are ok with that. If you'd rather e-mail the number off list for security reasons, that's fine. My address is: clgillan...@gmail.com Thanks. Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Hi Brian, RTAS is absolutely gone in PT 11! :) This comes directly from inside the DS! For further clarification by all means here is my phone #! Talk soon CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 GUFFAWING :) In GOD I Trust On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Brian Casey wrote: Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go a long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface mappings etc etc. I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly through a few more versions. They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. Brian. -- From: "Kevin Reeves" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Nope, J Sonar wouldn't be ready for it before the paid CakeTalking scripts generally as far as I can figure. CakeTalking is supposed to be in development for x1, but it's a long rebuild apparently, and JSonar being a free product, it would be an even longer development cycle. Apparently the guys who really know their stuff with jaws can get around x1 a little bit, but its safe to say its basically completely out of the question for the time being. -- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Brian, You say Sonar now has all accessibility broken, I don't wanna veer off the p t topic, as this list isn't for the talk of Sonar, but real quickly, if you don't mind me asking, what about j sonar, are there no snap shots to support the newer versions after 8.5? Also, can one still use Sonar Talking, or has that also broken. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Brian Casey" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility Kevin, I think this work around with 10.0 and 10.2 is what Stefan (apologies can't spell correctly) was refering to earlier in this thread. At least from what I gathered, I think he was suggesting while updating PT to uncheck a box that would install AAX plugins normally, which would then leave the RTAS plugs from the previous install of P|T on the system and available to use. Personally, as I haven't invested in PT yet I'd just be a bit worried that further updates would phase out RTAS plugs and AAX may not get ffixed, and I'd also be nervous that if I wished to buy a copy in the future, it mightn't be so easy or practical to get my hands on a version that isn't broken. Which are all valid concerns. But like you say, none of this is the end of the world, but Avid seem to be updating PT quite regularly these days, so things could slip away faster than expected and there might be even more playing catch-up to do in terms of gaining accessability. Then again, all this is still less damage then say for example the move from sonar 8.5 to sonar x1 on the PC side of things, which effectively broke all accessability entirely, at least until someone develops a product free or otherwise to address that. Your thoughts are appreciated on this Kevin, as I would view you as a professional very much reliant on PT now from what I've gathered. Unfortunately, for workflow reasons, financial reasons and probably a lack of confidence I'm still sitting on the fence about PT, but it's the likes of yourself that give me hope, particularly in the light of these small set backs as Avid make new releases. Thanks Brian. -- From: "Kevin Reeves" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:27 AM To: Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility At present, Pro TOols 9.0.6 is solid, and the accessibility issues don't break till 10.2. So, Those wanting to move to a PT system, 9.06 is the ticket. The world isn't coming to an end here. It's just that the AAX format isn't supported. So, don't upgrade. Also, I wonder if one could install all of the RTAS plugs from 10.0 into the 10.2 environment. Think all you need to do is copy the plugin file to the plugins folder and then the setting folders to their respective spots. If this were the case, you'd still be in business whilst upgrading to the newest rig so you can take advantage of newer Mac OS upgrades and the like. We're not dead here. We just need to find a workaround. Your thoughts? Kevin
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
JSonar doesnt support anything above Sonar 8.5. So currently ProTools is more accessible than Sonar. Logic isn't accessible yet to the best of my knowledge. I think the hope is that it will become accessible in time. On 13/06/2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > And from what I hear, pt 11's already in the works. > > I'm thinking, what the heck! People? > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Casey" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility > > >> Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. >> >> Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go >> >> a long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface >> mappings etc etc. >> >> I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly >> through a few more versions. >> >> They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. >> >> Brian. >> >> -- >> From: "Kevin Reeves" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility >> >>> Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that >>> contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even >>> >>> if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they >>> no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. >>> Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you >>> are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. >>> Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro >>> TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. >>> >>> Kevin >> > > -- http://www.davideagle.co.uk
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
Hi Christopher, My # is in every signature! 954 is the "Garget" clue! ;) Email myself off list with yours and I'll ring you up! :) Talk soon CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Chuck, > > You forgot to include your number in the e-mail here, and honestly, I would > like to discuss this a bit more with you, via voice of you are ok with that. > > If you'd rather e-mail the number off list for security reasons, that's fine. > > My address is: > > clgillan...@gmail.com > > Thanks. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: CHUCK REICHEL > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility > > Hi Brian, > RTAS is absolutely gone in PT 11! :) > This comes directly from inside the DS! > For further clarification by all means here is my phone #! > Talk soon > > > CHUCK REICHEL > soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com > www.SoundPictureRecording.com > 954-742-0019 > GUFFAWING :) > In GOD I Trust > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Brian Casey wrote: > >> Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. >> >> Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go a >> long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface mappings >> etc etc. >> >> I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly >> through a few more versions. >> >> They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. >> >> Brian. >> >> -- >> From: "Kevin Reeves" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility >> >>> Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained >>> all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were >>> to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer >>> support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I >>> use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is >>> for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence >>> in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all >>> remains to be seen. >>> >>> Kevin >> > >
dialog finally restarted with Avid
As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handed the accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, for lack of a better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing is that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or Friday. Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little more time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with me regarding further progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon as possible. Slau
Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid
Thanks for the update man. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed here in earnest. On 6/13/12, Slau Halatyn wrote: > As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've > mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handed the > accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, for lack of a > better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back > from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing is > that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will > have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or > Friday. > > Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little more > time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with me regarding further > progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon as > possible. > > Slau > >
Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid
Hey Slau. Great en encouraging news. Thanks for giving us hope. Best, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid Thanks for the update man. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed here in earnest. On 6/13/12, Slau Halatyn wrote: > As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've > mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handed the > accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, for lack of a > better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back > from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing is > that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will > have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or > Friday. > > Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little more > time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with me regarding further > progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon as > possible. > > Slau > >
Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid
Slau, That's awesome! Please do keep us posted. I know you will. Thank you again for all of your help. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Slau Halatyn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: dialog finally restarted with Avid As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handed the accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, for lack of a better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing is that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or Friday. Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little more time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with me regarding further progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon as possible. Slau
Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid
Wooo boy! That may not be a good thing to do. Are you supersticious? LOL! Just kidding with ya. LOL! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Scott Chesworth" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:17 PM Subject: Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid Thanks for the update man. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed here in earnest. On 6/13/12, Slau Halatyn wrote: As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handed the accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, for lack of a better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing is that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or Friday. Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little more time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with me regarding further progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon as possible. Slau
Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid
I agree entirely. Thanks Slau. Cheers Thuy Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jun 2012, at 18:38, "Jean-Philippe Rykiel" wrote: > Hey Slau. > Great en encouraging news. > Thanks for giving us hope. > Best, > JPR > > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > - Original Message - > From: Scott Chesworth > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid > > Thanks for the update man. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed here in earnest. > > On 6/13/12, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've > > mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handed the > > accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, for lack of a > > better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back > > from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing is > > that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will > > have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or > > Friday. > > > > Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little more > > time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with me regarding further > > progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon as > > possible. > > > > Slau > > > >
Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid
Excellent news, thanks for the update Slau Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jun 2012, at 18:48, Thuy Mallalieu wrote: > I agree entirely. Thanks Slau. > Cheers > Thuy > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Jun 2012, at 18:38, "Jean-Philippe Rykiel" wrote: > >> Hey Slau. >> Great en encouraging news. >> Thanks for giving us hope. >> Best, >> JPR >> >> http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel >> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel >> - Original Message - >> From: Scott Chesworth >> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:17 PM >> Subject: Re: dialog finally restarted with Avid >> >> Thanks for the update man. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed here in earnest. >> >> On 6/13/12, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> > As you guys know, there's been a long radio silence with Avid. As I've >> > mentioned in the past, the product strategist who was handedthe >> > accessibility baton from david Gibbons has been inaccessible, forlack >> > of a >> > better term. After repeated emails and phone calls, I finally heard back >> > from him. No surprise, he's on the road, as he usually is. The good thing >> > is >> > that he's finally responding. I'm just waiting to hear back on when we will >> > have a chance to speak a bit. It will probably be either today, tomorrow or >> > Friday. >> > >> > Ultimately, I'm hoping that he will delegate someone else with a little >> > more >> > time and lower-level responsibilities to interface with meregarding >> > further >> > progress. As soon as I have something further to share, I'll post as soon >> > as >> > possible. >> > >> > Slau >> > >> >
Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility
I believe i saw somewhere window eyes has a sonar plug in available in its app central area. Don't know how well it works though. Garage band has gotten quite useful for basict tracking and mixing needs as well. Just another options to considr based on your workflow. The Oreo Monster monkeypushe...@gmail.com On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:55 AM, David Eagle wrote: > JSonar doesnt support anything above Sonar 8.5. So currently ProTools > is more accessible than Sonar. Logic isn't accessible yet to the best > of my knowledge. I think the hope is that it will become accessible in > time. > > > > On 13/06/2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> And from what I hear, pt 11's already in the works. >> >> I'm thinking, what the heck! People? >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Brian Casey" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:05 AM >> Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility >> >> >>> Yeah, logic is the ggreat hope in terms of providing options I guess. >>> >>> Even if PT declines a b it, I guess efficient users like yourself would go >>> >>> a long way with basic accessability and short cuts, control surface >>> mappings etc etc. >>> >>> I wouldn't rule out the RTAS thing being dropped soon enough if they fly >>> through a few more versions. >>> >>> They were very fast flying from 9 to 10 it seemed to me. >>> >>> Brian. >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Kevin Reeves" >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52 AM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Whats the final word on PT10 accessibility >>> Well, the way I see it, If everyone had access to a zip file that contained all the RTAS plugs, then, you could manually install them even if you were to be running 10.x. What will definitely kill us is if they no longer support RTAS, which would piss their user base off to no end. Even though I use this every day, I'm watching the same decline as you are. My hope is for Logic X to have some accessibility improvements. Then, I could sequence in Logic, and track audio, edit, mix, etc in Pro TOols. Everything all remains to be seen. Kevin >>> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.davideagle.co.uk
Re: importing clips without creating a new track
You can try importing the the audio to the regions list or clips list and see if you can follow the steps below to put it on the track u want. Note someone posted this to the list sometime in the past, just passing along the info here. Below are the steps I found on the internet for drag and drop with VO. I have a more streamlined approach, but as some of you may have slightly different VO behavioral settings, it's best that we start off with the more expanded but generic version. 1. Using VoiceOver navigation commands, move to the item you want to drag. 2. Press VO-Command-F5 to move the mouse pointer to the location of the VoiceOver cursor. You can verify you have done this correctly with VO-F5 to hear what is under the mouse. 3. Begin the drag action with VO-Command-Shift-Space. you will hear the click of a mouse being pressed, but not released. 4. Turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-Shift-F3. 5. Using VoiceOver navigation commands, move to the location where you want to drop the item you are dragging. 6. Use VO-Command-F5 again to move the mouse cursor to the location of the VoiceOver cursor. You can press VO-F5 to verify you have done this correctly and hear what is currently under the mouse. 7. Press VO-Command-Shift-Space to release the item being dragged. You will hear the click of a mouse being released. 8. Turn your cursor tracking back on with VO-Shift-F3. I have set in the VO utility that the mouse follows the VO cursor, so steps 2 and 6 are unnecessary for me. As is steps 4 and 8. So assuming your VO settings are similar to mine, here are my steps as it relates to PT. 1. In the Edit window, go to and interact with the regions list. Assuming the cursor tracking is on, you can use the up and down arrow keys to select a region, use shift + up or down arrow keys to select contiguous regions, or use a series of VO commands (that I cannot remember right now) to select noncontiguous regions. I seem to recall that the latter requires the temporary deactivation of cursor tracking. 2. Press VO + Command + Shift + Spacebar for the down click. 3. Press VO + I for the item chooser menu. Then start typing the name of the track where you would like to drag the region (narrows down the options, saves time). Pressing return or enter on the desired item (i.e. track) from the chooser menu places the VO cursor on the desired spot.. 4. For the release, repeat Step 2, and presto! On Jun 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Michael Kuhlmann wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently working in a session and would like to import clips without > creating a new track. I tried the following: 1. imported the material and it > appears in the cliplist. 2. after selecting it, turned cursortracking of, > 3. pressed vo-cmd-f5 and locked the mouse with vo-cmd-shift-space. 4. moved > to the tracklisttable and interacted with it. 5. selected the track where the > clip has to be located, moved the cursor to the specified bar, pressed > vo-cmd-f5 and unlocked the mouse. > Now the clip is at the right position in the session, but there's also an > additional track created. How do I manage to import audio from the > region-list or from the finder without creating additional tracks or using > workarounds like creating the tracks, pasting the material and deleting the > track that isn't needed anymore? > > I'm working with PT 10.2, on Mac OS 10.6.8. > > Thanks in advance and kind regards from Germany > > Michael
