Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Kevin Reeves]

To tack on to what Slau said,
You can import a midi file from the internet, but you are stuck 
assigning each track to it's own instrument in the air creative collection.

It's extremely time consuming.
In the cakewalk world, you would assign all the midi tracks to 1 
instance of something like Bandstand or the included Cakewalk tts1, 
which is a virtual version of the basic Roland sound canvas.
The instrument responds to midi bank and patch changes, so the correct 
sound is selected for each track.
I have googled and googled trying to find a similar software instrument 
for Pro Tools, but with no avail.
On the mac side of things, if I need to use gm, I run each midi track to 
an IAC bus into a little app called DLS MIDI player, which I purchased 
on the app store.
It loads sound fonts, and I use something like the Unity GM soundfont or 
similar.
I had to buy the DLS player because guess what? Apple abandoned the GM 
standard as well.
As of Mavericks, they pulled the DLS midi player from the Core of the 
OS. Have you noticed that you can't quicklook midi files anymore?
Go look in the forums. That pissed a bunch of their user base off. 
Including me.
Chad Morrison on this list was one of my students, and probably 
remembers the day that we, as a class, discovered this.

So, I dropped 20 bucks into an app that I used to get for free.
People in the pro audio world want to say that GM is such an old 
standard and is no longer needed.
I say Bah Humbug. As long as people need to push MIDI files between 2 
foreign systems, GM is most certainly needed. And folks like Apple and 
Avid abandoning it by not bundling a basic gm compatible synth makes it 
harder in certain situations.


Sorry for the rant.

Kevin

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RE: More presets for Matt and others

[Poppa Bear]

Hello Scott, I do use a few templates and they can help to streamline workflow 
a lot of the time, in my experience though, with something like studder it is 
an afterthought and not something that I would really shape a project around. 
All in all, I think that it is a neat tool and in other types of productions, 
or some other studios I am sure that it gets used plenty, but it is still a 
novelty to me right now.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Chesworth
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:46 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More presets for Matt and others

Isn't this the type of thing that templates could help with? I've never really 
gotten into them in PT, but I know a few people on here are big on that school 
of thought. Maybe someone can chime in...

On 12/9/14, Poppa Bear  wrote:
> Hello David, I do know how to set it up, but I am not into the steps 
> it takes to get the results I guess. Call me lazy and plus, on top of 
> that it needs to be used so sparingly in my opinion because it is very 
> easy to over kill with it, but I was just wondering if with the 
> presets it could be used in a different way than routing through the 
> three or four steps. Thanks though.
>
>
>
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of David Eagle
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: More presets for Matt and others
>
>
>
> Hi, it's easy to get Stutter Edit working with Midi in Protools. Put 
> Stutter edit on an audio track as an insert. Create a new midi track. 
> Set the Input to your midi controler, and the output to Stutter edit. 
> I think you need to arm the midi track so that it is record enabled. 
> YOu can trigger the various jestures and effects with your midi 
> keyboard. The stutters are synced to your project tempo, so you can 
> change the tempo of your project to change the tempo of the stutters.
>
>
>
>
>
> As for Windows: I know that there is a hotspot clicker set for Stutter 
> edit which I know you can use with Sonar, created by someone called Steve 
> Stamer.
> Probably best to contact the midimag list for more information on that.
>
>
>
> I'm going to work on developing stutter edit accessibility some more 
> using keyboard maestro.
>
> On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:33, Scott Chesworth  wrote:
>
>
>
> Looking at Nectar 2 over on the dark side, yup, there's a lot of 
> parameters exposed... 150 or so. Well labeled, but not real-world 
> values, so things like the frequencies for each EQ band are a bit of a 
> guessing game. As usual for iZotope, the actual plugin GUI is sort of 
> accessible too, with the biggest hurdle IMO being that the folder 
> names aren't readable in the presets browser. Individual presets are, 
> but keeping track of which folders are open and where the ones you 
> liked lived without folder names can be a bit of a mare. It's a pretty 
> good plugin overall though, plenty of the stock presets have made it 
> in to songs out of the box here.
>
> On 12/9/14, Chris Smart <  
> csma...@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Anyone know if the parameters are exposed on the Windows side for that one?
>
> At 03:40 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi there,
> Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar Production suite? Itâ 
> EURO (tm)s Izotopes take on vocal processing. If i could or had access 
> to sighted help, iâ EURO (tm)d try making them myself and contribute 
> but as it stands now, all i can do is ask politely for them.
> /Krister
>
>
>
>
> 9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle
> <onlineea...@googlemail.com>:
>
> and
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Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Slau Halatyn]

Pro Tools is capable of both importing and exporting standard MIDI files. 
That's not your problem. Your problem is that you need a General MIDI 
Instrument. If you have a MIDI module capable of General MIDI, no problem. Hook 
it up to Pro Tools and you're done. If you don't have a GM synth, there are 
probably some GM synths in virtual form. Others might be able to suggest some.


On Dec 9, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Nick Gawronski  wrote:

> Hi, So what both of you are basically saying is I am out of luck as far as 
> getting either my friend's midi pro tools into a normal file.mid or importing 
> a raw file.mid into pro tools and messing around with it?  The friend I am 
> trying to help does not have pro tools so they wanted me to export their 
> session into midi so they can listen back to it at home and I wish to import 
> midi files into pro tools as I have the air creative collection and want to 
> listen to how well it sounds with midi files I already have.  Nick Gawronski
> On 12/9/2014 3:54 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> I'm curious though,
>> 
>> When you make a stereo instrument track, isn't the stuff it then receives 
>> triggered by midi?  So in other words, if I make an instrument track, then I 
>> try to play a virtual instrument through it with Xpand2, is that not midi 
>> that is triggerring xpand2 to play?
>> --- Christopher Gilland
>> 
>> Phone:  704-594-2225
>> 
>> E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Web site:
>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>> 
>> Twitter:  @gilland_chris
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> http://www.facebook.com/chris28210
>> 
>> Skype: chris28210
>> 
>> IMessage/Facetime:
>> cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com
>> 
>> Zello:  clgproductions
>> and:  christablet123
>> Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11
>> 
>> 
>> Pro tools is not natively compatible with a standard called “General Midi.”
>> What? Pro Tools not compatible with a standard? That’s new. Lol.
>> Anyway, general midi insures that midi files played back on any GM 
>> compatible setup will play the right sounds.
>> Unfortunately, Pro Tools never had a sound set that conformed to this 
>> standard, so when you export midi files from PT, all the sounds are wrong, 
>> and when you import, you have to manually assign instruments.
>> Midi in Pro Tools has always been treated as an afterthought, hence why it’s 
>> 2014, and the creative collection is still awe full.
>> 
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
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Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, So what both of you are basically saying is I am out of luck as far 
as getting either my friend's midi pro tools into a normal file.mid or 
importing a raw file.mid into pro tools and messing around with it?  The 
friend I am trying to help does not have pro tools so they wanted me to 
export their session into midi so they can listen back to it at home and 
I wish to import midi files into pro tools as I have the air creative 
collection and want to listen to how well it sounds with midi files I 
already have.  Nick Gawronski

On 12/9/2014 3:54 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Kevin,

I'm curious though,

When you make a stereo instrument track, isn't the stuff it then 
receives triggered by midi?  So in other words, if I make an 
instrument track, then I try to play a virtual instrument through it 
with Xpand2, is that not midi that is triggerring xpand2 to play?

--- Christopher Gilland

Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
http://www.clgproductions.com

Twitter:  @gilland_chris

Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/chris28210

Skype: chris28210

IMessage/Facetime:
cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com

Zello:  clgproductions
and:  christablet123
Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
- Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11


Pro tools is not natively compatible with a standard called “General 
Midi.”

What? Pro Tools not compatible with a standard? That’s new. Lol.
Anyway, general midi insures that midi files played back on any GM 
compatible setup will play the right sounds.
Unfortunately, Pro Tools never had a sound set that conformed to this 
standard, so when you export midi files from PT, all the sounds are 
wrong, and when you import, you have to manually assign instruments.
Midi in Pro Tools has always been treated as an afterthought, hence 
why it’s 2014, and the creative collection is still awe full.



Kevin



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Re: More presets for Matt and others

[Kevin Reeves]

Templates are great, but again. If you're trying to play midi files 
across multiple platforms, Pro Tools doesn't have a gm sound set.


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Re: More presets for Matt and others

[Scott Chesworth]

Isn't this the type of thing that templates could help with? I've
never really gotten into them in PT, but I know a few people on here
are big on that school of thought. Maybe someone can chime in...

On 12/9/14, Poppa Bear  wrote:
> Hello David, I do know how to set it up, but I am not into the steps it
> takes to get the results I guess. Call me lazy and plus, on top of that it
> needs to be used so sparingly in my opinion because it is very easy to over
> kill with it, but I was just wondering if with the presets it could be used
> in a different way than routing through the three or four steps. Thanks
> though.
>
>
>
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Eagle
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: More presets for Matt and others
>
>
>
> Hi, it's easy to get Stutter Edit working with Midi in Protools. Put Stutter
> edit on an audio track as an insert. Create a new midi track. Set the Input
> to your midi controler, and the output to Stutter edit. I think you need to
> arm the midi track so that it is record enabled. YOu can trigger the various
> jestures and effects with your midi keyboard. The stutters are synced to
> your project tempo, so you can change the tempo of your project to change
> the tempo of the stutters.
>
>
>
>
>
> As for Windows: I know that there is a hotspot clicker set for Stutter edit
> which I know you can use with Sonar, created by someone called Steve Stamer.
> Probably best to contact the midimag list for more information on that.
>
>
>
> I'm going to work on developing stutter edit accessibility some more using
> keyboard maestro.
>
> On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:33, Scott Chesworth  wrote:
>
>
>
> Looking at Nectar 2 over on the dark side, yup, there's a lot of
> parameters exposed... 150 or so. Well labeled, but not real-world
> values, so things like the frequencies for each EQ band are a bit of a
> guessing game. As usual for iZotope, the actual plugin GUI is sort of
> accessible too, with the biggest hurdle IMO being that the folder
> names aren't readable in the presets browser. Individual presets are,
> but keeping track of which folders are open and where the ones you
> liked lived without folder names can be a bit of a mare. It's a pretty
> good plugin overall though, plenty of the stock presets have made it
> in to songs out of the box here.
>
> On 12/9/14, Chris Smart <  csma...@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Anyone know if the parameters are exposed on the Windows side for that one?
>
> At 03:40 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi there,
> Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar
> Production suite? Itâ EURO (tm)s Izotopes take on vocal
> processing. If i could or had access to sighted
> help, iâ EURO (tm)d try making them myself and
> contribute but as it stands now, all i can do is ask politely for them.
> /Krister
>
>
>
>
> 9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle
> <onlineea...@googlemail.com>:
>
> and
>
>
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Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Ricky Corey]

Hey Kevin, you went to LCB a few years ago?
Ricky
On Dec 9, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Kevin Reeves  wrote:

> There’s more to midi than just the notes played.
> 
> Midi can also send bank and patch changes to a keyboard or software.
> So if you download a song off the internet and load it into a GM compatible 
> player like Quicktime, the midi file tells qt what the different instruments 
> are for each track.
> Unfortunately, Pro Tools has no native sound set, so if you record a bunch of 
> midi in expand 2 with different instruments on each track and export it as a 
> standard midi file to qt, qt has no information on what instruments go with 
> what track.
> You can set patch and bank changes in each midi track in a pro tools session, 
> but it won’t effect what you hear, since expand 2 doesn’t respond to midi 
> bank and patch messages.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Kevin Reeves]

There’s more to midi than just the notes played.

Midi can also send bank and patch changes to a keyboard or software.
So if you download a song off the internet and load it into a GM compatible 
player like Quicktime, the midi file tells qt what the different instruments 
are for each track.
Unfortunately, Pro Tools has no native sound set, so if you record a bunch of 
midi in expand 2 with different instruments on each track and export it as a 
standard midi file to qt, qt has no information on what instruments go with 
what track.
You can set patch and bank changes in each midi track in a pro tools session, 
but it won’t effect what you hear, since expand 2 doesn’t respond to midi bank 
and patch messages.

Hope this helps.

Kevin

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Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Kevin,

I'm curious though,

When you make a stereo instrument track, isn't the stuff it then receives 
triggered by midi?  So in other words, if I make an instrument track, then I 
try to play a virtual instrument through it with Xpand2, is that not midi 
that is triggerring xpand2 to play?
--- 
Christopher Gilland


Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
http://www.clgproductions.com

Twitter:  @gilland_chris

Facebook:
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Skype: chris28210

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cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com

Zello:  clgproductions
and:  christablet123
Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Reeves" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11


Pro tools is not natively compatible with a standard called “General Midi.”
What? Pro Tools not compatible with a standard? That’s new. Lol.
Anyway, general midi insures that midi files played back on any GM 
compatible setup will play the right sounds.
Unfortunately, Pro Tools never had a sound set that conformed to this 
standard, so when you export midi files from PT, all the sounds are wrong, 
and when you import, you have to manually assign instruments.
Midi in Pro Tools has always been treated as an afterthought, hence why it’s 
2014, and the creative collection is still awe full.



Kevin

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Re: small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Kevin Reeves]

Pro tools is not natively compatible with a standard called “General Midi.”
What? Pro Tools not compatible with a standard? That’s new. Lol.
Anyway, general midi insures that midi files played back on any GM compatible 
setup will play the right sounds.
Unfortunately, Pro Tools never had a sound set that conformed to this standard, 
so when you export midi files from PT, all the sounds are wrong, and when you 
import, you have to manually assign instruments.
Midi in Pro Tools has always been treated as an afterthought, hence why it’s 
2014, and the creative collection is still awe full.


Kevin

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Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Daniel Contreras]

I should have known it wasn't that simple ha ha. Thanks for the response Chris. 
Not to mention the arm weight when playing arpeggios and what not. Take care

Daniel Contreras 

> On Dec 9, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Daniel, it's not just one parameter that you can say is the magic gold. 
> Different songs are going to have different dynamics and different people 
> doing them will have different results.  Furthermore, you're almost never 
> going to get it where the same recording redone by the same person in the 
> same studio will give identically the same dynamics.  This is because, even 
> if the nuances are totally totally barely there, you're never going to get a 
> musician or singer to do things 100% the same to the exact literal wave form 
> every single take.  It's just not possible.  You're a pianest, so let me say 
> it like this.  You're playing a C mager arpedgio chord with both hands. 
> You're never gonna be able to mimmick down to the exact fraction pound of 
> pressure the exact same attack or decay on the keys.  It just won't happen. 
> So, getting back to the compressor, it's kind of the same way.
> 
> Probably what has happened is, the release probably is set too long and needs 
> to be shortened a bit.  This is really a very very unfair thing though for me 
> to say, not having the session in front of me to look at, and play witgh.  
> For all I know, it may be the threshold that isn't set right.  Your attack, 
> release, and threshold all! play a huge role in this, so it's really hard to 
> say without just tweaking and experimenting with trial and error. Also 
> realize that punchiness doesn't necessarily mean lower frequencies. for 
> example, if you listen again to that clip, you'll hear that the base kick 
> drum doesn't sound muddy in the least.  It just sounds a small teeny little 
> bit too accented.  Again, that's just me though.  If that's the sound the 
> client is looking for, then it definitely was a success.  And the thing is, 
> there actually are times that you may indeed want! that sound.  It really 
> just all depends.
> --- Christopher Gilland
> 
> Phone:  704-594-2225
> 
> E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com
> 
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> http://www.clgproductions.com
> 
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> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Contreras" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
> 
> 
> Hello, I hear what you are talking about with the pumping between the bass 
> and drums.  So I agree, but the mix sounds great. Ha ha, of course listening 
> from my Apple iPhone headphones. The bass sounds fine to me, maybe a little 
> bit on the loud side, but then again what do I know? I am just a guy studying 
> classical piano, with hopes of learning some audio engineering.  So I know 
> that it has to do with the compressor in terms of bringing down the pumping, 
> but what parameter exactly? Pardon my learning opportunity here.
> 
> Daniel Contreras
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Kent  wrote:
>> 
>>  Well, this sort of thing is very 
>> subjective.  I would have brought the bass up a tad and maybe wetened the 
>> snare and toms just a bit, not that eighties big reverb thint, just subtle. 
>> But as it has been said, the customer's always right.
>> GOrd
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Poppa Bear
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:00 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>> 
>> Good way to look at it Chris, and when you have a happy client then that is 
>> the thumbs up or down. I liked the percussive sharpness of the piano, 
>> because it seemed to just make it all a little more edgy and raw and not too 
>> tamed. Thanks for sharing
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Chris Smart
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:12 AM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>> 
>> Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that
>> the snare be fattened up. (grin)
>> It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out
>> to learn more as I go.
>> 
>> At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>>> Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums
>>> might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a
>>> slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad
>>> at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1
>>> and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd
>>> be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the lows of
>>> the drums, espec

RE: More presets for Matt and others

[Poppa Bear]

Hello David, I do know how to set it up, but I am not into the steps it takes 
to get the results I guess. Call me lazy and plus, on top of that it needs to 
be used so sparingly in my opinion because it is very easy to over kill with 
it, but I was just wondering if with the presets it could be used in a 
different way than routing through the three or four steps. Thanks though.

 

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Eagle
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More presets for Matt and others

 

Hi, it’s easy to get Stutter Edit working with Midi in Protools. Put Stutter 
edit on an audio track as an insert. Create a new midi track. Set the Input to 
your midi controler, and the output to Stutter edit. I think you need to arm 
the midi track so that it is record enabled. YOu can trigger the various 
jestures and effects with your midi keyboard. The stutters are synced to your 
project tempo, so you can change the tempo of your project to change the tempo 
of the stutters.

 

 

As for Windows: I know that there is a hotspot clicker set for Stutter edit 
which I know you can use with Sonar, created by someone called Steve Stamer. 
Probably best to contact the midimag list for more information on that.

 

I’m going to work on developing stutter edit accessibility some more using 
keyboard maestro. 

On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:33, Scott Chesworth  wrote:

 

Looking at Nectar 2 over on the dark side, yup, there's a lot of
parameters exposed... 150 or so. Well labeled, but not real-world
values, so things like the frequencies for each EQ band are a bit of a
guessing game. As usual for iZotope, the actual plugin GUI is sort of
accessible too, with the biggest hurdle IMO being that the folder
names aren't readable in the presets browser. Individual presets are,
but keeping track of which folders are open and where the ones you
liked lived without folder names can be a bit of a mare. It's a pretty
good plugin overall though, plenty of the stock presets have made it
in to songs out of the box here.

On 12/9/14, Chris Smart <  csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:



Anyone know if the parameters are exposed on the Windows side for that one?

At 03:40 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:



Hi there,
Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar
Production suite? Itâ EURO (tm)s Izotopes take on vocal
processing. If i could or had access to sighted
help, iâ EURO (tm)d try making them myself and
contribute but as it stands now, all i can do is ask politely for them.
/Krister




9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle
<onlineea...@googlemail.com>:

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Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Daniel, it's not just one parameter that you can say is the magic gold. 
Different songs are going to have different dynamics and different people 
doing them will have different results.  Furthermore, you're almost never 
going to get it where the same recording redone by the same person in the 
same studio will give identically the same dynamics.  This is because, even 
if the nuances are totally totally barely there, you're never going to get a 
musician or singer to do things 100% the same to the exact literal wave form 
every single take.  It's just not possible.  You're a pianest, so let me say 
it like this.  You're playing a C mager arpedgio chord with both hands. 
You're never gonna be able to mimmick down to the exact fraction pound of 
pressure the exact same attack or decay on the keys.  It just won't happen. 
So, getting back to the compressor, it's kind of the same way.


Probably what has happened is, the release probably is set too long and 
needs to be shortened a bit.  This is really a very very unfair thing though 
for me to say, not having the session in front of me to look at, and play 
witgh.  For all I know, it may be the threshold that isn't set right.  Your 
attack, release, and threshold all! play a huge role in this, so it's really 
hard to say without just tweaking and experimenting with trial and error. 
Also realize that punchiness doesn't necessarily mean lower frequencies. 
for example, if you listen again to that clip, you'll hear that the base 
kick drum doesn't sound muddy in the least.  It just sounds a small teeny 
little bit too accented.  Again, that's just me though.  If that's the sound 
the client is looking for, then it definitely was a success.  And the thing 
is, there actually are times that you may indeed want! that sound.  It 
really just all depends.
--- 
Christopher Gilland


Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
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Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Contreras" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix


Hello, I hear what you are talking about with the pumping between the bass 
and drums.  So I agree, but the mix sounds great. Ha ha, of course listening 
from my Apple iPhone headphones. The bass sounds fine to me, maybe a little 
bit on the loud side, but then again what do I know? I am just a guy 
studying classical piano, with hopes of learning some audio engineering.  So 
I know that it has to do with the compressor in terms of bringing down the 
pumping, but what parameter exactly? Pardon my learning opportunity here.


Daniel Contreras


On Dec 9, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Kent  wrote:

  Well, this sort of thing is very 
subjective.  I would have brought the bass up a tad and maybe wetened the 
snare and toms just a bit, not that eighties big reverb thint, just 
subtle. But as it has been said, the customer's always right.

GOrd

-Original Message- From: Poppa Bear
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:00 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Good way to look at it Chris, and when you have a happy client then that 
is the thumbs up or down. I liked the percussive sharpness of the piano, 
because it seemed to just make it all a little more edgy and raw and not 
too tamed. Thanks for sharing


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:12 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that
the snare be fattened up. (grin)
It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out
to learn more as I go.

At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:

Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums
might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a
slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad
at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1
and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd
be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the lows of
the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be really careful
doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it needs to be, so if
you go too far with it, it's going to sound terrible, as there would
be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's very good. There
is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I can't quite
put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB and a
half, then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the
trick. Pre-Processing, before y

Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Daniel Contreras]

Hello, I hear what you are talking about with the pumping between the bass and 
drums.  So I agree, but the mix sounds great. Ha ha, of course listening from 
my Apple iPhone headphones. The bass sounds fine to me, maybe a little bit on 
the loud side, but then again what do I know? I am just a guy studying 
classical piano, with hopes of learning some audio engineering.  So I know that 
it has to do with the compressor in terms of bringing down the pumping, but 
what parameter exactly? Pardon my learning opportunity here.

Daniel Contreras 

> On Dec 9, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Kent  wrote:
> 
>   Well, this sort of thing is very 
> subjective.  I would have brought the bass up a tad and maybe wetened the 
> snare and toms just a bit, not that eighties big reverb thint, just subtle. 
> But as it has been said, the customer's always right.
> GOrd
> 
> -Original Message- From: Poppa Bear
> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:00 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
> 
> Good way to look at it Chris, and when you have a happy client then that is 
> the thumbs up or down. I liked the percussive sharpness of the piano, because 
> it seemed to just make it all a little more edgy and raw and not too tamed. 
> Thanks for sharing
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Chris Smart
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:12 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
> 
> Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that
> the snare be fattened up. (grin)
> It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out
> to learn more as I go.
> 
> At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>> Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums
>> might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a
>> slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad
>> at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1
>> and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd
>> be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the lows of
>> the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be really careful
>> doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it needs to be, so if
>> you go too far with it, it's going to sound terrible, as there would
>> be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's very good. There
>> is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I can't quite
>> put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB and a
>> half, then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the
>> trick. Pre-Processing, before you route the drums through any
>> effects, or compressers, etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all
>> drums, what is it peeking at with your meters at its highest point?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> --- Christopher Gilland
>> 
>> Phone:  704-594-2225
>> 
>> E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Web site:
>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>> 
>> Twitter:  @gilland_chris
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> http://www.facebook.com/chris28210
>> 
>> Skype: chris28210
>> 
>> IMessage/Facetime:
>> cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com
>> 
>> Zello:  clgproductions
>> and:  christablet123
>> Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
>> Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>> 
>> 
>>> interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
>>> hmm yep a little pumping in there.
>>> 
>>> At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
 Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to
 me is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many
 low frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of the
 higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a
 compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds like
 there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass. Keep in
 mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the mix with
 the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to me.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Chris Smart
 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
 To: midi...@midimag.org
 Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
 
 Hi folks.
 
 I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton
 recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this
 before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second 
 sample:
 https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7
 
 So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like?
 What would you have done differently?
 
 For instance, I was too attached to the

Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Gordon Kent]

   Well, this sort of thing is very 
subjective.  I would have brought the bass up a tad and maybe wetened the 
snare and toms just a bit, not that eighties big reverb thint, just subtle. 
But as it has been said, the customer's always right.

GOrd

-Original Message- 
From: Poppa Bear

Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:00 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Good way to look at it Chris, and when you have a happy client then that is 
the thumbs up or down. I liked the percussive sharpness of the piano, 
because it seemed to just make it all a little more edgy and raw and not too 
tamed. Thanks for sharing


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:12 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that
the snare be fattened up. (grin)
It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out
to learn more as I go.

At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:

Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums
might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a
slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad
at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1
and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd
be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the lows of
the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be really careful
doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it needs to be, so if
you go too far with it, it's going to sound terrible, as there would
be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's very good. There
is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I can't quite
put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB and a
half, then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the
trick. Pre-Processing, before you route the drums through any
effects, or compressers, etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all
drums, what is it peeking at with your meters at its highest point?

Chris.
--- Christopher Gilland

Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
http://www.clgproductions.com

Twitter:  @gilland_chris

Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/chris28210

Skype: chris28210

IMessage/Facetime:
cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com

Zello:  clgproductions
and:  christablet123
Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix



interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
hmm yep a little pumping in there.

At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:

Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to
me is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many
low frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of the
higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a
compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds like
there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass. Keep in
mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the mix with
the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to me.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton
recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this
before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second 
sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like?
What would you have done differently?

For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after
Brian asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the
improvement.  After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is
the main event here.

By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at
bshowert...@gmail.com Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience
as I got my ears together, after not mixing for ages.

Chris


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Re: More presets for Matt and others

[David Eagle]

Hi, it’s easy to get Stutter Edit working with Midi in Protools. Put Stutter 
edit on an audio track as an insert. Create a new midi track. Set the Input to 
your midi controler, and the output to Stutter edit. I think you need to arm 
the midi track so that it is record enabled. YOu can trigger the various 
jestures and effects with your midi keyboard. The stutters are synced to your 
project tempo, so you can change the tempo of your project to change the tempo 
of the stutters.


As for Windows: I know that there is a hotspot clicker set for Stutter edit 
which I know you can use with Sonar, created by someone called Steve Stamer. 
Probably best to contact the midimag list for more information on that.

I’m going to work on developing stutter edit accessibility some more using 
keyboard maestro. 
> On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:33, Scott Chesworth  wrote:
> 
> Looking at Nectar 2 over on the dark side, yup, there's a lot of
> parameters exposed... 150 or so. Well labeled, but not real-world
> values, so things like the frequencies for each EQ band are a bit of a
> guessing game. As usual for iZotope, the actual plugin GUI is sort of
> accessible too, with the biggest hurdle IMO being that the folder
> names aren't readable in the presets browser. Individual presets are,
> but keeping track of which folders are open and where the ones you
> liked lived without folder names can be a bit of a mare. It's a pretty
> good plugin overall though, plenty of the stock presets have made it
> in to songs out of the box here.
> 
> On 12/9/14, Chris Smart mailto:csma...@cogeco.ca>> wrote:
>> Anyone know if the parameters are exposed on the Windows side for that one?
>> 
>> At 03:40 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar
>>> Production suite? Itâ EURO (tm)s Izotopes take on vocal
>>> processing. If i could or had access to sighted
>>> help, iâ EURO (tm)d try making them myself and
>>> contribute but as it stands now, all i can do is ask politely for them.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle
 <onlineea...@googlemail.com>:
 
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RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Poppa Bear]

Good way to look at it Chris, and when you have a happy client then that is the 
thumbs up or down. I liked the percussive sharpness of the piano, because it 
seemed to just make it all a little more edgy and raw and not too tamed. Thanks 
for sharing

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:12 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that 
the snare be fattened up. (grin)
It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out 
to learn more as I go.

At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums 
>might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a 
>slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad 
>at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1 
>and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd 
>be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the lows of 
>the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be really careful 
>doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it needs to be, so if 
>you go too far with it, it's going to sound terrible, as there would 
>be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's very good. There 
>is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I can't quite 
>put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB and a 
>half, then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the 
>trick. Pre-Processing, before you route the drums through any 
>effects, or compressers, etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all 
>drums, what is it peeking at with your meters at its highest point?
>
>Chris.
>--- Christopher Gilland
>
>Phone:  704-594-2225
>
>E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com
>
>Web site:
>http://www.clgproductions.com
>
>Twitter:  @gilland_chris
>
>Facebook:
>http://www.facebook.com/chris28210
>
>Skype: chris28210
>
>IMessage/Facetime:
>cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com
>
>Zello:  clgproductions
>and:  christablet123
>Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
>- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
>Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>
>
>>interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
>>hmm yep a little pumping in there.
>>
>>At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>>>Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to 
>>>me is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many 
>>>low frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of the 
>>>higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a 
>>>compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds like 
>>>there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass. Keep in 
>>>mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the mix with 
>>>the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to me.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
>>>On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
>>>To: midi...@midimag.org
>>>Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>>>
>>>Hi folks.
>>>
>>>I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton 
>>>recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this 
>>>before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:
>>>https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7
>>>
>>>So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? 
>>>What would you have done differently?
>>>
>>>For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after 
>>>Brian asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the 
>>>improvement.  After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is 
>>>the main event here.
>>>
>>>By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at 
>>>bshowert...@gmail.com Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience 
>>>as I got my ears together, after not mixing for ages.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
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The proper procedure for quantizing drums using elastic audio.

[Chad Morrison]

Hello, to all,

I am having trouble quantizing drums using elastic audio.Would some one 
be willing to give me step by step instructions on how to complete this 
task?I have all my drums added to a group with the tracks selected, I 
navigate to the edit view, locate the elastic audio button and set the 
plug to rhythmic audio, but I have also tried polyphonic without 
success.After wating for the audio to be analyzed, Set the grid to the 
proper note increment, I then use the hotkey command plus the number 0. 
However, The drums are are moved to some strange place on the grid or 
has some interesting artifacts in the audio.


I have also found that when I attempt to nudge the audio in to place 
numbad plus and minus only move the cursor and not the audio.Any advice 
on this problem would also be appreciated.I have tried looking in the 
manual for help, but I was unsuccessful.


I thank you in advance for your help,

chad

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Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Scott Chesworth]

Loving how solid the bass is on this man... it's like carpet.

I might've set the piano in a tad wider space using a reverb that's
all about the mids... not for a noticeable decay, just a bit of extra
warmth if that makes sense. The percussive-ness of the piano seemed a
bit overbearing here, but maybe that was by design.

On 12/9/14, Chris Smart  wrote:
> yep, still though, the wide range of opinions I've receive on and off
> lists has given me about half a dozen things to try.
>
> At 12:25 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>>oh, ok, if that is the sound he was looking for then, yeah, I'd
>>trust his opinion, and if that client happens to be! Bryan, then I'd
>>really! trust his opinion.  LOL!  I'd listen to him long before
>>listenning to me!  LOL!  This guy knows quite a huge amount when it
>>comes to Audio Production/mixing, so yeah... that's what my ears
>>caught, but if that is what he wants, then go with what he says.
>>--- Christopher Gilland
>>
>>Phone:  704-594-2225
>>
>>E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com
>>
>>Web site:
>>http://www.clgproductions.com
>>
>>Twitter:  @gilland_chris
>>
>>Facebook:
>>http://www.facebook.com/chris28210
>>
>>Skype: chris28210
>>
>>IMessage/Facetime:
>>cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com
>>
>>Zello:  clgproductions
>>and:  christablet123
>>Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
>>- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>>
>>
>>>Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked
>>>that the snare be fattened up. (grin)
>>>It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out
>>>to learn more as I go.
>>>
>>>At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums
might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a
slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that
bad at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1
to 1 and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme,
you'd be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the
lows of the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be
really careful doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it
needs to be, so if you go too far with it, it's going to sound
terrible, as there would be no low ends at all.  I agree with
Papa.  It's very good. There is! an issue with the drums, I'll
admit, but like him, I can't quite put my finger on it.  Try
turning them down about maybe a DB and a half, then send it back
to us to hear again.  That should! do the trick. Pre-Processing,
before you route the drums through any effects, or compressers,
etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all drums, what is it
peeking at with your meters at its highest point?

Chris.
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- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix


>interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
>hmm yep a little pumping in there.
>
>At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>>Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to
>>me is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to
>>many low frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of
>>the higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a
>>compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds
>>like there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass.
>>Keep in mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the
>>mix with the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to
>> me.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
>>To: midi...@midimag.org
>>Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix
>>
>>Hi folks.
>>
>>I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton
>>recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this
>>before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second
>> sample:
>>https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7
>>
>>So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like?
>>What would you have done differently?
>>
>>For instance, I was too attached to the d

Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Chris Smart]

yep, still though, the wide range of opinions I've receive on and off 
lists has given me about half a dozen things to try.


At 12:25 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
oh, ok, if that is the sound he was looking for then, yeah, I'd 
trust his opinion, and if that client happens to be! Bryan, then I'd 
really! trust his opinion.  LOL!  I'd listen to him long before 
listenning to me!  LOL!  This guy knows quite a huge amount when it 
comes to Audio Production/mixing, so yeah... that's what my ears 
caught, but if that is what he wants, then go with what he says.

--- Christopher Gilland

Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
http://www.clgproductions.com

Twitter:  @gilland_chris

Facebook:
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Skype: chris28210

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Zello:  clgproductions
and:  christablet123
Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix


Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked 
that the snare be fattened up. (grin)
It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out 
to learn more as I go.


At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums 
might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a 
slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that 
bad at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 
to 1 and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, 
you'd be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the 
lows of the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be 
really careful doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it 
needs to be, so if you go too far with it, it's going to sound 
terrible, as there would be no low ends at all.  I agree with 
Papa.  It's very good. There is! an issue with the drums, I'll 
admit, but like him, I can't quite put my finger on it.  Try 
turning them down about maybe a DB and a half, then send it back 
to us to hear again.  That should! do the trick. Pre-Processing, 
before you route the drums through any effects, or compressers, 
etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all drums, what is it 
peeking at with your meters at its highest point?


Chris.
--- Christopher Gilland

Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
http://www.clgproductions.com

Twitter:  @gilland_chris

Facebook:
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Skype: chris28210

IMessage/Facetime:
cgwaxhawlo...@clgproductions.com

Zello:  clgproductions
and:  christablet123
Please kindly, add both, if you don't mind.
- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix



interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
hmm yep a little pumping in there.

At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to 
me is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to 
many low frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of 
the higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a 
compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds 
like there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass. 
Keep in mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the 
mix with the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to me.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton 
recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this 
before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? 
What would you have done differently?


For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after 
Brian asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the 
improvement. After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is 
the main event here.


By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at 
bshowert...@gmail.com Thanks Brian, for the work, and for 
patience as I got my ears together, after not mixing for ages.


Chris


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Re: More presets for Matt and others

[Scott Chesworth]

Looking at Nectar 2 over on the dark side, yup, there's a lot of
parameters exposed... 150 or so. Well labeled, but not real-world
values, so things like the frequencies for each EQ band are a bit of a
guessing game. As usual for iZotope, the actual plugin GUI is sort of
accessible too, with the biggest hurdle IMO being that the folder
names aren't readable in the presets browser. Individual presets are,
but keeping track of which folders are open and where the ones you
liked lived without folder names can be a bit of a mare. It's a pretty
good plugin overall though, plenty of the stock presets have made it
in to songs out of the box here.

On 12/9/14, Chris Smart  wrote:
> Anyone know if the parameters are exposed on the Windows side for that one?
>
> At 03:40 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
>>Hi there,
>>Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar
>>Production suite? Itâ EURO (tm)s Izotopes take on vocal
>>processing. If i could or had access to sighted
>>help, iâ EURO (tm)d try making them myself and
>>contribute but as it stands now, all i can do is ask politely for them.
>>/Krister
>>
>>>9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle
>>><onlineea...@googlemail.com>:
>>>
>>>and
>>
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Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

oh, ok, if that is the sound he was looking for then, yeah, I'd trust his 
opinion, and if that client happens to be! Bryan, then I'd really! trust his 
opinion.  LOL!  I'd listen to him long before listenning to me!  LOL!  This 
guy knows quite a huge amount when it comes to Audio Production/mixing, so 
yeah... that's what my ears caught, but if that is what he wants, then go 
with what he says.
--- 
Christopher Gilland


Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Smart" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix


Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that the 
snare be fattened up. (grin)
It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out to 
learn more as I go.


At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums might have 
been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a slight! bit.  I'm 
not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad at all.  I think if you 
was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1 and a half DB, I'd say 2 at 
most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd be ok.  Yeah, you probably could 
have rolled off some of the lows of the drums, especially the snare, but 
you'd want to be really careful doing so.  You almost have it sitting 
where it needs to be, so if you go too far with it, it's going to sound 
terrible, as there would be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's 
very good. There is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I 
can't quite put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB 
and a half, then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the 
trick. Pre-Processing, before you route the drums through any effects, or 
compressers, etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all drums, what is it 
peeking at with your meters at its highest point?


Chris.
--- Christopher Gilland

Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
http://www.clgproductions.com

Twitter:  @gilland_chris

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- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix



interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
hmm yep a little pumping in there.

At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to me is 
the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many low 
frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of the higher 
frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a compression thing I 
think I am hearing, either way, it sounds like there is a little pumping 
between the kick and the bass. Keep in mind, I could be wrong in my 
diagnosis, but I like the mix with the exception of that little aspect 
that seems to stand out to me.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton 
recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this before, 
I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? What 
would you have done differently?


For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after Brian 
asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the improvement. 
After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is the main event here.


By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at 
bshowert...@gmail.com Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience as I 
got my ears together, after not mixing for ages.


Chris


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Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Chris Smart]

Hi Chris. The client is happy with the track and actually asked that 
the snare be fattened up. (grin)
It's interesting how opinions differ on this stuff and I'm just out 
to learn more as I go.


At 12:08 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums 
might have been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a 
slight! bit.  I'm not kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad 
at all.  I think if you was to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1 
and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, pushing it to the extreme, you'd 
be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have rolled off some of the lows of 
the drums, especially the snare, but you'd want to be really careful 
doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it needs to be, so if 
you go too far with it, it's going to sound terrible, as there would 
be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's very good. There 
is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I can't quite 
put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB and a 
half, then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the 
trick. Pre-Processing, before you route the drums through any 
effects, or compressers, etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all 
drums, what is it peeking at with your meters at its highest point?


Chris.
--- Christopher Gilland

Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

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- Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix



interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
hmm yep a little pumping in there.

At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to 
me is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many 
low frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of the 
higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a 
compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds like 
there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass. Keep in 
mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the mix with 
the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to me.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton 
recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this 
before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? 
What would you have done differently?


For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after 
Brian asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the 
improvement.  After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is 
the main event here.


By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at 
bshowert...@gmail.com Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience 
as I got my ears together, after not mixing for ages.


Chris


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Re: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Personally, I didn't find it all that bad.  OK, yeah, the drums might have 
been just a tad bit too loud in the mix, but I said a slight! bit.  I'm not 
kidding when I say, it really wasn't! that bad at all.  I think if you was 
to turn down the drums by maybe 1 to 1 and a half DB, I'd say 2 at most, 
pushing it to the extreme, you'd be ok.  Yeah, you probably could have 
rolled off some of the lows of the drums, especially the snare, but you'd 
want to be really careful doing so.  You almost have it sitting where it 
needs to be, so if you go too far with it, it's going to sound terrible, as 
there would be no low ends at all.  I agree with Papa.  It's very good. 
There is! an issue with the drums, I'll admit, but like him, I can't quite 
put my finger on it.  Try turning them down about maybe a DB and a half, 
then send it back to us to hear again.  That should! do the trick. 
Pre-Processing, before you route the drums through any effects, or 
compressers, etc. just the raw dry mix of the over all drums, what is it 
peeking at with your meters at its highest point?


Chris.
--- 
Christopher Gilland


Phone:  704-594-2225

E-mail:  clgillan...@gmail.com

Web site:
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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Smart" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix



interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
hmm yep a little pumping in there.

At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to me is the 
bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many low frequencies 
that need to be cut and then boost some of the higher frequencies around 
maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a compression thing I think I am hearing, 
either way, it sounds like there is a little pumping between the kick and 
the bass. Keep in mind, I could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the 
mix with the exception of that little aspect that seems to stand out to 
me.


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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton recently, 
and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this before, I thought I 
would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? What 
would you have done differently?


For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after Brian asked 
for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the improvement.  After all, 
without a vocalist, the piano really is the main event here.


By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at bshowert...@gmail.com 
Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience as I got my ears together, 
after not mixing for ages.


Chris


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RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Chris Smart]

interesting. thanks, i'll look into that.
hmm yep a little pumping in there.

At 11:07 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:
Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to me 
is the bass and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many low 
frequencies that need to be cut and then boost some of the higher 
frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, it could be a compression thing 
I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds like there is a little 
pumping between the kick and the bass. Keep in mind, I could be 
wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the mix with the exception of that 
little aspect that seems to stand out to me.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Smart

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton 
recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this 
before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? 
What would you have done differently?


For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after Brian 
asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the 
improvement.  After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is the 
main event here.


By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at 
bshowert...@gmail.com Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience 
as I got my ears together, after not mixing for ages.


Chris


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small midi issues with pro tools 11

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I had this also happen in pro tools 10 but again just tried this and 
am finding the same issues come up.  First I opened up a pro tools 
session one of my friends who goes to school did in a class and the midi 
sounds like they say it should with drums and other types of synths at a 
very fast rate.  If I take this session in pro tools and export the 
session to a normal file.mid the tempo slows down and all drums turn 
into keyboard sounds as well as lots of the other sounds that work in 
pro tools are not working or sound different in quicktime player which 
is what player midis play in. Also, if I take a normal file.mid I 
download from the internet that plays fine in quicktime and import it 
into pro tools my digi 003 does bring up tracks but no music plays out 
of them why is this and yes I did install the air creative collection 
after installing pro tools 11?  I am currently running this on 10.9 but 
could go to 10.10 if needed.  Can anyone tell me what is going on and 
also if any methods exist to do any type of virtual keyboards then take 
that data and import it into pro tools?  Nick Gawronski


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RE: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Poppa Bear]

Hello Chris, nice overall mix. The only thing that stands out to me is the bass 
and the drum. I am not sure if the drum has to many low frequencies that need 
to be cut and then boost some of the higher frequencies around maybe 150HZ. Or, 
it could be a compression thing I think I am hearing, either way, it sounds 
like there is a little pumping between the kick and the bass. Keep in mind, I 
could be wrong in my diagnosis, but I like the mix with the exception of that 
little aspect that seems to stand out to me.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:42 AM
To: midi...@midimag.org
Cc: ddot...@freelists.org; ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton recently, and 
since I haven't mixed something lighter like this before, I thought I would ask 
for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:
https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? What would you 
have done differently?

For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after Brian asked for 
them to be turned down, I now appreciate the improvement.  After all, without a 
vocalist, the piano really is the main event here.

By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at bshowert...@gmail.com 
Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience as I got my ears together, after 
not mixing for ages.

Chris
  

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Opinions Wanted On a Recent Mix

[Chris Smart]

Hi folks.

I mixed and mastered an easy listening track for Brian Howerton 
recently, and since I haven't mixed something lighter like this 
before, I thought I would ask for opinions on it. Here's a 48-second sample:

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/7bhny7

So, what do you like and more importantly, what do you not like? What 
would you have done differently?


For instance, I was too attached to the drum sound, but after Brian 
asked for them to be turned down, I now appreciate the 
improvement.  After all, without a vocalist, the piano really is the 
main event here.


By the way, if this is your thing, contact Brian at bshowert...@gmail.com
Thanks Brian, for the work, and for patience as I got my ears 
together, after not mixing for ages.


Chris
 


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Re: More presets for Matt and others

[Chris Smart]

Anyone know if the parameters are exposed on the Windows side for that one?

At 03:40 AM 12/9/2014, you wrote:

Hi there,
Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar 
Production suite? It’s Izotopes take on vocal 
processing. If i could or had access to sighted 
help, i’d try making them myself and 
contribute but as it stands now, all i can do is ask politely for them.

/Krister

9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle 
<onlineea...@googlemail.com>:


and


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Re: More presets for Matt and others

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi there,
Anyone happen to have the presets for the Nectar Production suite? It’s 
Izotopes take on vocal processing. If i could or had access to sighted help, 
i’d try making them myself and contribute but as it stands now, all i can do is 
ask politely for them.
/Krister

> 9 dec 2014 kl. 02:04 skrev David Eagle :
> 
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