Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Patrick Schuppe]

Hello all,
For a up to date detailed tutorial along with project examples I would pay 
between $300 to $900. I want to make this my carea so I need to get the 
best training I can:-)

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 4:21:10 PM UTC+1, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>
> I'm just doing a bit of market research here: 
> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of 
> scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
> subjects? 
> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
> first. Please share any relevant thoughts. 
>
> Slau 
>
>

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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Ricky Prevatte]

You created you put a price on it, I will pay it.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 1:00 AM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to reply a bit here as there have been several responses. At 
> the outset, let me say that a few people have mentioned Groove 3 as a model. 
> Let me point out that a model such as groove 3 requires an infrastructure 
> that I simply don't have and will never aspire to so that's just simply out 
> of the question. Further, before anyone starts to suggest ways that I could 
> somehow approximate that subscription model with some web site gymnastics, 
> just forget about it. I have no time for such nonsense. OK, that said, let me 
> continue.
> 
> I don't look at this as any kind of money-making venture. One would be naive 
> to think that there was some sort of gold mine here. If anything, it's 
> practically a money-losing proposition. If anything however, I think the time 
> invested would help me save my own time by pointing people toward some sort 
> of resource that would preempt me from having to spend time typing half-assed 
> explanations of things rather than just saying, "Hey, check out part 6 of 
> this series," etc.
> 
> In some ways, i feel as though it's entirely possible for me to do a sort of 
> "mind dump" of my knowledge of Pro Tools. Of course, it's entirely possible 
> but I would have to do that in some sort of structured way to be able to 
> organize the bits of knowledge into some kind of framework. The Pro tools 
> manuals seem to be the most obvious framework but that means I literally have 
> to re-read all of the manuals and outline absolutely every point that I can 
> thin of as it relates to using Pro Tools from a VoiceOver perspective. That's 
> a daunting task, to be sure. I don't know. Part of me wants to do it and part 
> of me says, "Why would you want to take on such an enormous project?" Well, 
> I'm not sure. Still thinking but will come up with some kind of plan.
> 
> Slau
> 
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Scott Chesworth]

Replying to a few people's points all in one message:

Slau: aside from the extra levels of patronage (which I've seen over
complicate some projects if not thoroughly thought through), crowd
funding is the neatest way I know of getting paid a base rate that you
can live with before pumping time into a project. Obviously some time
has to go in to the crowd funding campaign itself, but I should think
for most people, having to lay out the specifics of what they intend
to create and committing to a timeline can only be a helpful thing
once it comes to the actual recording. It's all too easy to run away
with yourself sometimes isn't it.

Carlos: While the PT With Speech stuff is well done, there's not a ton
of content in there to appeal to the more advanced users IMO, and I'm
pretty sure that Slau will want to go a little deeper. Worth noting
that that's not to say that Matt and Rob don't know their stuff, far
from it. Also, so far as I know, those tutorials haven't been updated
to include the most recent accessibility changes yet. Some of them are
biggies. Like, every time you work you notice them type biggies.

Oreo: you think Scott makes valid points and you agree with *her*?
That's good to know old chap. Now, shall we set aside some time to
have a talk about boys and girls and how to tell the difference? :P

Scott (boy edition, who is yet to encounter a girl edition)

On 12/10/15, Ricky Prevatte <rickypreva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would go no lower than 100 you are busy and you cannot afford to do any
> less. You could make more money doing a studio project. I would enjoy that
> but the groove three model as I said before would be a good thing.
>
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>
>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 7:08 AM, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved
>> since pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re
>> able to do now. I would say about $100 for a five part series concerning
>> specific things concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was
>> in school were that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have
>> accessibility and the adjusting of tempo was something that was a problem
>> but I don’t know how much things have gotten.  Someone else would have to
>> speak to these issues.  Just something to think about
>>
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ricky Prevatte
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>>
>> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would
>> support it and be glad to do so.
>>
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Slau
>> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
>> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this
>> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter
>> lengths.
>>
>> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially
>> if you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing,
>> someone else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller
>> audience and you would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going
>> too expensive it won’t sell too well.
>> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if
>> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new
>> plug-in and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will
>> be crazy, but I think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a
>> online tutorial.
>>
>> Nickus
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:21, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
>> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a
>> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what
>> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series.
>> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a
>> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using
>> Pro Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind
>> of scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of
>> one-hour segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more
>> specific subjects?
>> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water
>> first. Please sha

Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Scott Chesworth]

NO worries, I'll have words with Tim Cook instead. ;)

On 12/11/15, TheOreoMonster <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I blame auto correct here. It usually got my back, but this time it stabbed
> me in the back instead lol. Apologies man.
>
>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Scott Chesworth <scottcheswo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Replying to a few people's points all in one message:
>>
>> Slau: aside from the extra levels of patronage (which I've seen over
>> complicate some projects if not thoroughly thought through), crowd
>> funding is the neatest way I know of getting paid a base rate that you
>> can live with before pumping time into a project. Obviously some time
>> has to go in to the crowd funding campaign itself, but I should think
>> for most people, having to lay out the specifics of what they intend
>> to create and committing to a timeline can only be a helpful thing
>> once it comes to the actual recording. It's all too easy to run away
>> with yourself sometimes isn't it.
>>
>> Carlos: While the PT With Speech stuff is well done, there's not a ton
>> of content in there to appeal to the more advanced users IMO, and I'm
>> pretty sure that Slau will want to go a little deeper. Worth noting
>> that that's not to say that Matt and Rob don't know their stuff, far
>> from it. Also, so far as I know, those tutorials haven't been updated
>> to include the most recent accessibility changes yet. Some of them are
>> biggies. Like, every time you work you notice them type biggies.
>>
>> Oreo: you think Scott makes valid points and you agree with *her*?
>> That's good to know old chap. Now, shall we set aside some time to
>> have a talk about boys and girls and how to tell the difference? :P
>>
>> Scott (boy edition, who is yet to encounter a girl edition)
>>
>> On 12/10/15, Ricky Prevatte <rickypreva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I would go no lower than 100 you are busy and you cannot afford to do
>>> any
>>> less. You could make more money doing a studio project. I would enjoy
>>> that
>>> but the groove three model as I said before would be a good thing.
>>>
>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>>
>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 7:08 AM, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved
>>>> since pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re
>>>> able to do now. I would say about $100 for a five part series
>>>> concerning
>>>> specific things concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I
>>>> was
>>>> in school were that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have
>>>> accessibility and the adjusting of tempo was something that was a
>>>> problem
>>>> but I don’t know how much things have gotten.  Someone else would have
>>>> to
>>>> speak to these issues.  Just something to think about
>>>>
>>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Ricky Prevatte
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>>>>
>>>> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would
>>>> support it and be glad to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Slau
>>>> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
>>>> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this
>>>> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter
>>>> lengths.
>>>>
>>>> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them,
>>>> especially
>>>> if you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing,
>>>> someone else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller
>>>> audience and you would want to be paid for your time, but I think if
>>>> going
>>>> too expensive it won’t sell too well.
>>>> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but
>>>> if
>>>> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new
>>>> plug-in and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200
>>

Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[TheOreoMonster]

I blame auto correct here. It usually got my back, but this time it stabbed me 
in the back instead lol. Apologies man. 

> On Dec 10, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Scott Chesworth <scottcheswo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Replying to a few people's points all in one message:
> 
> Slau: aside from the extra levels of patronage (which I've seen over
> complicate some projects if not thoroughly thought through), crowd
> funding is the neatest way I know of getting paid a base rate that you
> can live with before pumping time into a project. Obviously some time
> has to go in to the crowd funding campaign itself, but I should think
> for most people, having to lay out the specifics of what they intend
> to create and committing to a timeline can only be a helpful thing
> once it comes to the actual recording. It's all too easy to run away
> with yourself sometimes isn't it.
> 
> Carlos: While the PT With Speech stuff is well done, there's not a ton
> of content in there to appeal to the more advanced users IMO, and I'm
> pretty sure that Slau will want to go a little deeper. Worth noting
> that that's not to say that Matt and Rob don't know their stuff, far
> from it. Also, so far as I know, those tutorials haven't been updated
> to include the most recent accessibility changes yet. Some of them are
> biggies. Like, every time you work you notice them type biggies.
> 
> Oreo: you think Scott makes valid points and you agree with *her*?
> That's good to know old chap. Now, shall we set aside some time to
> have a talk about boys and girls and how to tell the difference? :P
> 
> Scott (boy edition, who is yet to encounter a girl edition)
> 
> On 12/10/15, Ricky Prevatte <rickypreva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would go no lower than 100 you are busy and you cannot afford to do any
>> less. You could make more money doing a studio project. I would enjoy that
>> but the groove three model as I said before would be a good thing.
>> 
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 7:08 AM, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved
>>> since pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re
>>> able to do now. I would say about $100 for a five part series concerning
>>> specific things concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was
>>> in school were that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have
>>> accessibility and the adjusting of tempo was something that was a problem
>>> but I don’t know how much things have gotten.  Someone else would have to
>>> speak to these issues.  Just something to think about
>>> 
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Ricky Prevatte
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>>> 
>>> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would
>>> support it and be glad to do so.
>>> 
>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Slau
>>> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
>>> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this
>>> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter
>>> lengths.
>>> 
>>> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially
>>> if you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing,
>>> someone else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller
>>> audience and you would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going
>>> too expensive it won’t sell too well.
>>> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if
>>> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new
>>> plug-in and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will
>>> be crazy, but I think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a
>>> online tutorial.
>>> 
>>> Nickus
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:21, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
>>> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a
>>> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what
>

Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Slau Halatyn]

I just wanted to reply a bit here as there have been several responses. At the 
outset, let me say that a few people have mentioned Groove 3 as a model. Let me 
point out that a model such as groove 3 requires an infrastructure that I 
simply don't have and will never aspire to so that's just simply out of the 
question. Further, before anyone starts to suggest ways that I could somehow 
approximate that subscription model with some web site gymnastics, just forget 
about it. I have no time for such nonsense. OK, that said, let me continue.

I don't look at this as any kind of money-making venture. One would be naive to 
think that there was some sort of gold mine here. If anything, it's practically 
a money-losing proposition. If anything however, I think the time invested 
would help me save my own time by pointing people toward some sort of resource 
that would preempt me from having to spend time typing half-assed explanations 
of things rather than just saying, "Hey, check out part 6 of this series," etc.

In some ways, i feel as though it's entirely possible for me to do a sort of 
"mind dump" of my knowledge of Pro Tools. Of course, it's entirely possible but 
I would have to do that in some sort of structured way to be able to organize 
the bits of knowledge into some kind of framework. The Pro tools manuals seem 
to be the most obvious framework but that means I literally have to re-read all 
of the manuals and outline absolutely every point that I can thin of as it 
relates to using Pro Tools from a VoiceOver perspective. That's a daunting 
task, to be sure. I don't know. Part of me wants to do it and part of me says, 
"Why would you want to take on such an enormous project?" Well, I'm not sure. 
Still thinking but will come up with some kind of plan.

Slau

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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Ricky Prevatte]

I would go no lower than 100 you are busy and you cannot afford to do any less. 
You could make more money doing a studio project. I would enjoy that but the 
groove three model as I said before would be a good thing.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Dec 8, 2015, at 7:08 AM, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved since 
> pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re able to do 
> now. I would say about $100 for a five part series concerning specific things 
> concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was in school were 
> that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have accessibility and the 
> adjusting of tempo was something that was a problem but I don’t know how much 
> things have gotten.  Someone else would have to speak to these issues.  Just 
> something to think about
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Ricky Prevatte
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>  
> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would support 
> it and be glad to do so.
> 
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Slau
> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this 
> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter lengths.
>  
> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially if 
> you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing, someone 
> else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller audience and you 
> would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going too expensive it 
> won’t sell too well.
> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if 
> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new plug-in 
> and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will be crazy, 
> but I think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a online 
> tutorial.
>  
> Nickus
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:21, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of scale 
> people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
> subjects?
> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
> 
> Slau
> 
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RE: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[david]

Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved since pt 
8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re able to do now. I 
would say about $100 for a five part series concerning specific things 
concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was in school were that 
recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have accessibility and the adjusting 
of tempo was something that was a problem but I don’t know how much things have 
gotten.  Someone else would have to speak to these issues.  Just something to 
think about

 

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ricky Prevatte
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

 

Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would support it 
and be glad to do so.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com 
<mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Slau

M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?

I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this together 
is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter lengths.

 

If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially if 
you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing, someone 
else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller audience and you 
would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going too expensive it 
won’t sell too well.

For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if that 
same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new plug-in and 
figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will be crazy, but I 
think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a online tutorial.

 

Nickus

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:21, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com 
<mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what would 
be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of scale 
people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific subjects?
Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
first. Please share any relevant thoughts.

Slau

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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Ramy Moustafa]

I will be the 1st 1 to get this
I really need this.

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Macdonald  
> wrote:
> 
> I for one would certainly be interested in such a series. Regarding a 
> structure, I like the sound of one hour segments in a series of around ten or 
> however many it took to cover all bases. An hour is a good length to digest 
> and replay where necessary. As for price I'm reluctant to say a number partly 
> due to the Scottish pounds to American dollars conversion rate but quite 
> frankly even though I've finished college I know there are still gaps in my 
> knowledge so filling those gaps would be priceless so frankly I'd be happy to 
> pay whatever the going rate was. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Alan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2015, at 15:21, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
>> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
>> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
>> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
>> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
>> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
>> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of 
>> scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
>> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
>> subjects?
>> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
>> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
>> 
>> Slau
>> 
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Scott Chesworth]

Hey Slau,

Given who's producing it, if this were thorough I'd say $50 would give
me a warm fuzzy feeling, it'd need to contain some stuff that I didn't
already know and would be thought of as part supporting the cause part
investment at about $100, and by $150 it'd probably have to wait until
I had a good run of gigs or Santa was coming to town. Hour-long
segments feel pretty long to me unless they're broken up with frequent
demos so that there's something to wake me up (no reflection on your
public speaking, I promise). Half that length is more my focus
threshold for a specific topic.

One question: since you're a believer in the combination of Pro Tools
and a control surface, and you also have a very comprehensive control
surface, wouldn't rethinking your workflows and producing this to
appeal to the majority be a massive undertaking? By majority, I'm
assuming that most sales would be to people who are just getting
started with PT, thus I'm guessing that the majority of them, if they
had a surface at all, would likely be bringing that over from another
DAW, and seeing as none of the other protocols seem to go quite as
deep as Avids native stuff, they wouldn't be as deeply integrated as
what you're running there.

Re getting paid to cover your time... crowd funding seems the most
obvious solution. When it's paid for, it gets made. Until then, we
continue to harass you via PTAccess I guess lol.

Hth a bit

Scott

On 12/8/15, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved since
> pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re able to do
> now. I would say about $100 for a five part series concerning specific
> things concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was in school
> were that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have accessibility and
> the adjusting of tempo was something that was a problem but I don’t know how
> much things have gotten.  Someone else would have to speak to these issues.
> Just something to think about
>
>
>
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ricky Prevatte
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>
>
>
> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would support
> it and be glad to do so.
>
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com
> <mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi Slau
>
> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
>
> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this
> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter
> lengths.
>
>
>
> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially if
> you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing, someone
> else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller audience and you
> would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going too expensive it
> won’t sell too well.
>
> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if
> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new plug-in
> and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will be crazy,
> but I think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a online
> tutorial.
>
>
>
> Nickus
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:21, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com
> <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a
> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what
> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series.
> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a
> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro
> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of
> scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour
> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific
> subjects?
> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water
> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
>
> Slau
>
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Scott,

That made me laugh :) Harassment is perhaps an effective tactic, eh? Funny, I 
never considered the crowd funding idea. Hmm… I'll have to think about that. It 
certainly does accommodate those varying levels of patronage, you know: x 
dollars gets you the basic, x dollars gets you some extra content, x dollars 
gets you a certain amount of one-on-one support. Intriguing.

Anyway, I'd naturally have to cover things from the perspective of a beginner 
as well as the intermediate. There would have to be certain minimum 
requirements like an extended keyboard, an interface. The control surface, 
while not an absolute requirement is, of course, highly recommended but I'd 
have to cover things from a couple of perspectives.

Food for thought…

Cheers,

Slau

On Dec 8, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Scott Chesworth <scottcheswo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Slau,
> 
> Given who's producing it, if this were thorough I'd say $50 would give
> me a warm fuzzy feeling, it'd need to contain some stuff that I didn't
> already know and would be thought of as part supporting the cause part
> investment at about $100, and by $150 it'd probably have to wait until
> I had a good run of gigs or Santa was coming to town. Hour-long
> segments feel pretty long to me unless they're broken up with frequent
> demos so that there's something to wake me up (no reflection on your
> public speaking, I promise). Half that length is more my focus
> threshold for a specific topic.
> 
> One question: since you're a believer in the combination of Pro Tools
> and a control surface, and you also have a very comprehensive control
> surface, wouldn't rethinking your workflows and producing this to
> appeal to the majority be a massive undertaking? By majority, I'm
> assuming that most sales would be to people who are just getting
> started with PT, thus I'm guessing that the majority of them, if they
> had a surface at all, would likely be bringing that over from another
> DAW, and seeing as none of the other protocols seem to go quite as
> deep as Avids native stuff, they wouldn't be as deeply integrated as
> what you're running there.
> 
> Re getting paid to cover your time... crowd funding seems the most
> obvious solution. When it's paid for, it gets made. Until then, we
> continue to harass you via PTAccess I guess lol.
> 
> Hth a bit
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 12/8/15, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved since
>> pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re able to do
>> now. I would say about $100 for a five part series concerning specific
>> things concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was in school
>> were that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have accessibility and
>> the adjusting of tempo was something that was a problem but I don’t know how
>> much things have gotten.  Someone else would have to speak to these issues.
>> Just something to think about
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Ricky Prevatte
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would support
>> it and be glad to do so.
>> 
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Slau
>> 
>> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
>> 
>> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this
>> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter
>> lengths.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially if
>> you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing, someone
>> else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller audience and you
>> would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going too expensive it
>> won’t sell too well.
>> 
>> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if
>> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new plug-in
>> and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will be crazy,
>> but I think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a online
>> tutorial.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nickus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:

Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[TheOreoMonster]

Would definately be interested in this. Think scott hit on some interesting 
points i am inclined to agree with her as well 

On Dec 8, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> That made me laugh :) Harassment is perhaps an effective tactic, eh? Funny, I 
> never considered the crowd funding idea. Hmm… I'll have to think about that. 
> It certainly does accommodate those varying levels of patronage, you know: x 
> dollars gets you the basic, x dollars gets you some extra content, x dollars 
> gets you a certain amount of one-on-one support. Intriguing.
> 
> Anyway, I'd naturally have to cover things from the perspective of a beginner 
> as well as the intermediate. There would have to be certain minimum 
> requirements like an extended keyboard, an interface. The control surface, 
> while not an absolute requirement is, of course, highly recommended but I'd 
> have to cover things from a couple of perspectives.
> 
> Food for thought…
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Dec 8, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Scott Chesworth <scottcheswo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Slau,
>> 
>> Given who's producing it, if this were thorough I'd say $50 would give
>> me a warm fuzzy feeling, it'd need to contain some stuff that I didn't
>> already know and would be thought of as part supporting the cause part
>> investment at about $100, and by $150 it'd probably have to wait until
>> I had a good run of gigs or Santa was coming to town. Hour-long
>> segments feel pretty long to me unless they're broken up with frequent
>> demos so that there's something to wake me up (no reflection on your
>> public speaking, I promise). Half that length is more my focus
>> threshold for a specific topic.
>> 
>> One question: since you're a believer in the combination of Pro Tools
>> and a control surface, and you also have a very comprehensive control
>> surface, wouldn't rethinking your workflows and producing this to
>> appeal to the majority be a massive undertaking? By majority, I'm
>> assuming that most sales would be to people who are just getting
>> started with PT, thus I'm guessing that the majority of them, if they
>> had a surface at all, would likely be bringing that over from another
>> DAW, and seeing as none of the other protocols seem to go quite as
>> deep as Avids native stuff, they wouldn't be as deeply integrated as
>> what you're running there.
>> 
>> Re getting paid to cover your time... crowd funding seems the most
>> obvious solution. When it's paid for, it gets made. Until then, we
>> continue to harass you via PTAccess I guess lol.
>> 
>> Hth a bit
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 12/8/15, david <dingram...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Now there we’re at pt 12.3 I think that a lot of things have improved since
>>> pt 8 or pt9 in terms of voice over accessibility and what you’re able to do
>>> now. I would say about $100 for a five part series concerning specific
>>> things concerning pro tools.  The problems that I had while I was in school
>>> were that recording midi was a chore and you didn’t have accessibility and
>>> the adjusting of tempo was something that was a problem but I don’t know how
>>> much things have gotten.  Someone else would have to speak to these issues.
>>> Just something to think about
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Ricky Prevatte
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:01 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would support
>>> it and be glad to do so.
>>> 
>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Slau
>>> 
>>> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
>>> 
>>> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this
>>> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter
>>> lengths.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially if
>>> you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing, someone
>>> else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller audience and you
>>> would 

Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Carlos Taylor]

ProTools with speech already exists and seems good for the beginner. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of scale 
> people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
> subjects?
> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
> 
> Slau
> 
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Alan Macdonald]

I for one would certainly be interested in such a series. Regarding a 
structure, I like the sound of one hour segments in a series of around ten or 
however many it took to cover all bases. An hour is a good length to digest and 
replay where necessary. As for price I'm reluctant to say a number partly due 
to the Scottish pounds to American dollars conversion rate but quite frankly 
even though I've finished college I know there are still gaps in my knowledge 
so filling those gaps would be priceless so frankly I'd be happy to pay 
whatever the going rate was. 

Cheers, 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Dec 2015, at 15:21, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of scale 
> people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
> subjects?
> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
> 
> Slau
> 
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Brian Howerton]

I as well would think 1 hour sections would be great.  I also would be very 
interested in this, but would be reluctant to give a number as well because I 
know that it would take quite a bit of work to produce something like this, but 
I definitely would be willing to pay for something like this.  It would be so 
helpful.  Thanks,
Brian
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Alan Macdonald  
> wrote:
> 
> I for one would certainly be interested in such a series. Regarding a 
> structure, I like the sound of one hour segments in a series of around ten or 
> however many it took to cover all bases. An hour is a good length to digest 
> and replay where necessary. As for price I'm reluctant to say a number partly 
> due to the Scottish pounds to American dollars conversion rate but quite 
> frankly even though I've finished college I know there are still gaps in my 
> knowledge so filling those gaps would be priceless so frankly I'd be happy to 
> pay whatever the going rate was. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Alan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2015, at 15:21, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
>> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
>> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
>> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
>> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
>> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
>> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of 
>> scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
>> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
>> subjects?
>> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
>> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
>> 
>> Slau
>> 
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'd be willing to pay $200, but that literally! would be thee? ab, suh, 
loot! most I could go.


Chris.

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From: "Darwin May" <dmay...@gmail.com>

To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?


I would be willing to pay say anywhere from 50 up to 199%" depending on how 
long the sessions are, but for the 199%" price tag I think it would be good 
if it was sold as a set, for example, how to use Midi with in Pro Tools and 
could cover topics  such as setting up devices, recording and editing.


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:


I would take a look at mainstream mixing courses, guitar courses, 
basically, guys selling 5 hours or so of video instruction and work out 
the average price. of course, the fact that you'll sell far fewer coppies 
than you would to the wider sighted world is also a factor that could 
drive the price up a bit. I assume you'd at least like to get paid for 
your time: planning, writing, recording, editing etc. (grin)





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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Chris Smart]

Chris, all that stuff about EQ, compression, reverb etc. and all the 
mixing tutorials you could ever want already exists! Books, video 
courses, you name it. It's all out there. Get yourself on youtube. 
get some free multitracks to practice on and go to town.
 Nothing about that stuff is blind-specific. Why reinvent the wheel 
for a really small target audience? Shouldn't Slau focus on the 
unique experience of blind users of Voiceover and proTools?



At 11:25 AM 12/7/2015, you wrote:

I'd gladly pay $30 on the low end, and maybe $150 on the high end.

I would want most definitely the basics of recording, editting, and 
mixing to be covered, but I really would like emphesis to be covered 
on the actual plugin settings that take an artist's recordings to 
the next level.  In other words, really really focus heavily on EQ, 
giving many examples, and also providing different exercizes to try 
on your own.  Also give some examples of situations where people 
often screw up, and show the end result of doing so, and explain why 
it sounds so dreadful when they do.


Also, maybe work on explaining the basics of proper compression.

Even if the E Q and the compression had to be tought seperetly, I'd 
be happy to pay an additional say, $50 for a training crashcourse on such.


As for the PT tutorials, I'd say, I'd want something that would be 
at least 5 hours or more in length.  I'd want it to be extremely thorough.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Slau Halatyn" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 10:21 AM
Subject: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?


I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd 
expect a comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to 
cost and what would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series.
I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but 
rather a series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific 
techniques of using Pro Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but 
I also wonder what kind of scale people would expect: a 5-hour 
series? A ten-part series of one-hour segments?One or two main parts 
with smaller modules for more specific subjects?
Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the 
water first. Please share any relevant thoughts.


Slau

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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Darwin May]

I would be willing to pay say anywhere from 50 up to 199%" depending on how 
long the sessions are, but for the 199%" price tag I think it would be good if 
it was sold as a set, for example, how to use Midi with in Pro Tools and could 
cover topics  such as setting up devices, recording and editing. 

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> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I would take a look at mainstream mixing courses, guitar courses, basically, 
>> guys selling 5 hours or so of video instruction and work out the average 
>> price. of course, the fact that you'll sell far fewer coppies than you would 
>> to the wider sighted world is also a factor that could drive the price up a 
>> bit. I assume you'd at least like to get paid for your time: planning, 
>> writing, recording, editing etc. (grin)
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Brian Howerton]

Chris,
Agreed with all of this.  There is so much training out there, it’s ridiculous. 
 It definitely needs to be about using pro tools with voiceover.  Thanks,
Brian
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> agreed. I have no idea why VI audio folks keep asking for basic 
> recording/EQ/Compressor info when almost all of that is out there, most of it 
> for free or almost no money.  Read a book or two. Practice a lot. See a term 
> you don't know the meaning of, like low pass filter or Q factor? google it.
> blog posts, videos, courses from guys like Graham at 
> www.recordingrevolution.com. www.theproaudiofiles.com www.duelingmixes.com 
> www.davidglennrecording.com www.puremix.net on and on.
> 
> Ok back I go to the mixing course I picked up during the black Friday sales.
> 
> Chris
> 
> At 11:37 AM 12/7/2015, you wrote:
>> Again, I'm talking about VoiceOver focus not a tutorial on general subjects. 
>> There's a plethora of that out there already. Thanks.
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > I'd gladly pay $30 on the low end, and maybe $150 on the high end.
>> >
>> > I would want most definitely the basics of recording, editting, and mixing 
>> > to be covered, but I really would like emphesis to be covered on the 
>> > actual plugin settings that take an artist's recordings to the next level. 
>> >  In other words, really really focus heavily on EQ, giving many examples, 
>> > and also providing different exercizes to try on your own.  Also give some 
>> > examples of situations where people often screw up, and show the end 
>> > result of doing so, and explain why it sounds so dreadful when they do.
>> >
>> > Also, maybe work on explaining the basics of proper compression.
>> >
>> > Even if the E Q and the compression had to be tought seperetly, I'd be 
>> > happy to pay an additional say, $50 for a training crashcourse on such.
>> >
>> > As for the PT tutorials, I'd say, I'd want something that would be at 
>> > least 5 hours or more in length.  I'd want it to be extremely thorough.
>> >
>> > Chris.
>> >
>> > - Original Message - From: "Slau Halatyn" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 10:21 AM
>> > Subject: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
>> > I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
>> > comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
>> > would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series.
>> > I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
>> > series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using 
>> > Pro Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind 
>> > of scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of 
>> > one-hour segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more 
>> > specific subjects?
>> > Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
>> > first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
>> >
>> > Slau
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Chris Smart]

I would take a look at mainstream mixing courses, guitar courses, 
basically, guys selling 5 hours or so of video instruction and work 
out the average price. of course, the fact that you'll sell far 
fewer coppies than you would to the wider sighted world is also a 
factor that could drive the price up a bit. I assume you'd at least 
like to get paid for your time: planning, writing, recording, 
editing etc. (grin)








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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Chris Smart]

Hi Brian. I know you can vouch for the quality of the Graham 
Cochrane stuff. (grin)


CMG: we're not saying don't ask questions, but there's no magic 
bullet or easy answer here. You learn some, you try it on some 
tracks, you learn some more, etc. As for learning about EQ, what have 
you done so far?


I assume you can distinguish between bass and treble? well, all we're 
doing is dividing that into smaller chunks, focusing more on narrower 
frequency bands. EQ is a frequency-specific volume control. that's it.





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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'd gladly pay $30 on the low end, and maybe $150 on the high end.

I would want most definitely the basics of recording, editting, and mixing 
to be covered, but I really would like emphesis to be covered on the actual 
plugin settings that take an artist's recordings to the next level.  In 
other words, really really focus heavily on EQ, giving many examples, and 
also providing different exercizes to try on your own.  Also give some 
examples of situations where people often screw up, and show the end result 
of doing so, and explain why it sounds so dreadful when they do.


Also, maybe work on explaining the basics of proper compression.

Even if the E Q and the compression had to be tought seperetly, I'd be happy 
to pay an additional say, $50 for a training crashcourse on such.


As for the PT tutorials, I'd say, I'd want something that would be at least 
5 hours or more in length.  I'd want it to be extremely thorough.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Slau Halatyn" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 10:21 AM
Subject: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?


I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series.
I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of 
scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
subjects?
Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
first. Please share any relevant thoughts.


Slau

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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

['ashley cox' via Pro Tools Accessibility]

I might look at doing something similar for Logic if there is any interest.

> On 7 Dec 2015, at 16:25, Darwin May  wrote:
> 
> I would be willing to pay say anywhere from 50 up to 199%" depending on how 
> long the sessions are, but for the 199%" price tag I think it would be good 
> if it was sold as a set, for example, how to use Midi with in Pro Tools and 
> could cover topics  such as setting up devices, recording and editing. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I would take a look at mainstream mixing courses, guitar courses, 
>>> basically, guys selling 5 hours or so of video instruction and work out the 
>>> average price. of course, the fact that you'll sell far fewer coppies than 
>>> you would to the wider sighted world is also a factor that could drive the 
>>> price up a bit. I assume you'd at least like to get paid for your time: 
>>> planning, writing, recording, editing etc. (grin)
>> 
>> 
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Chris Smart]

agreed. I have no idea why VI audio folks keep asking for basic 
recording/EQ/Compressor info when almost all of that is out there, 
most of it for free or almost no money.  Read a book or two. Practice 
a lot. See a term you don't know the meaning of, like low pass filter 
or Q factor? google it.
blog posts, videos, courses from guys like Graham at 
www.recordingrevolution.com. www.theproaudiofiles.com 
www.duelingmixes.com www.davidglennrecording.com www.puremix.net on and on.


Ok back I go to the mixing course I picked up during the black Friday sales.

Chris

At 11:37 AM 12/7/2015, you wrote:
Again, I'm talking about VoiceOver focus not a tutorial on general 
subjects. There's a plethora of that out there already. Thanks.


On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


> I'd gladly pay $30 on the low end, and maybe $150 on the high end.
>
> I would want most definitely the basics of recording, editting, 
and mixing to be covered, but I really would like emphesis to be 
covered on the actual plugin settings that take an artist's 
recordings to the next level.  In other words, really really focus 
heavily on EQ, giving many examples, and also providing different 
exercizes to try on your own.  Also give some examples of 
situations where people often screw up, and show the end result of 
doing so, and explain why it sounds so dreadful when they do.

>
> Also, maybe work on explaining the basics of proper compression.
>
> Even if the E Q and the compression had to be tought seperetly, 
I'd be happy to pay an additional say, $50 for a training crashcourse on such.

>
> As for the PT tutorials, I'd say, I'd want something that would 
be at least 5 hours or more in length.  I'd want it to be extremely thorough.

>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Slau Halatyn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 10:21 AM
> Subject: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?
>
>
> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd 
expect a comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver 
to cost and what would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series.
> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but 
rather a series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific 
techniques of using Pro Tools. I know this is still pretty vague 
but I also wonder what kind of scale people would expect: a 5-hour 
series? A ten-part series of one-hour segments?One or two main 
parts with smaller modules for more specific subjects?
> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling 
the water first. Please share any relevant thoughts.

>
> Slau
>
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Re: what would you pay for a comprehensive Pro Tools tutorial?

[Ricky Prevatte]

Definitely the groove three model would be a good guideline. I would support it 
and be glad to do so.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi Slau
> M do I smell something brewing at BeSharp?
> I think a great guideline to look at when putting something like this 
> together is the Groove3 model, both in terms of pricing and chapter lengths.
> 
> If chapters are too long it can be a mission to navigate them, especially if 
> you are going back later looking for a specific bit. As for pricing, someone 
> else already mentioned this will be sold to a much smaller audience and you 
> would want to be paid for your time, but I think if going too expensive it 
> won’t sell too well.
> For example I’ll pay $50 for a tutorial series on a specific topic, but if 
> that same series costs $200 then I’ll rather spend the $200 on a new plug-in 
> and figure it out myself. Not saying it must be $50 and $200 will be crazy, 
> but I think you get the idea, you can only charge so much for a online 
> tutorial.
> 
> Nickus
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 07 Dec 2015, at 17:21, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm just doing a bit of market research here:
>> I'm curious to know what the list feels is a minimum price they'd expect a 
>> comprehensive tutorial on using Pro Tools with VoiceOver to cost and what 
>> would be the maximum they'd consider paying for such a series. 
>> I'm not talking about a replacement for the Pro Tools manuals but rather a 
>> series of modules that cover the VoiceOver specific techniques of using Pro 
>> Tools. I know this is still pretty vague but I also wonder what kind of 
>> scale people would expect: a 5-hour series? A ten-part series of one-hour 
>> segments?One or two main parts with smaller modules for more specific 
>> subjects?
>> Anyway, I might have an idea for such an undertaking but feeling the water 
>> first. Please share any relevant thoughts.
>> 
>> Slau
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