Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Archer
I'd be happy enough to see greater granularity for rdfs:seeAlso. I have 
a use case where I want to say something like the uri has been minted 
recently by a source that is not authoritative but that, if widely 
adopted, could become so. Either way, it's worth noting that he and I 
are talking about the same thing - and rdfs:seeAlso doesn't really 
cover that nuance!


However... a property should not imply any content type AFAIAC. That's 
the job of the HTTP Headers. If software de-references an rdfs:seeAlso 
object and only expects RDF then it should have a suitable accept 
header. if the server can't respond with that content type, there are 
codes to handle that.


Phil.

On 09/01/2011 15:21, Vasiliy Faronov wrote:

On Птн, 2011-01-07 at 11:47 -0500, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:

Certainly. the tabulator follows rdfs:seeAlso and expects some terse
RDF.
and so would be crippled by any large file, and PDF would not of
course help it at all.
I take seeAlso as a fairly strong request to see the other thing, like
an HTTP redirect.
Not a generic this is vaguely related link at all, and not in
general to point to human-readable stuff.


Maybe it's time to define several specializations of rdfs:seeAlso with
stronger semantics?

For example (in a hypothetical namespace):

- see:authoritative -- strong pointer to a defining document,
   equivalent to (or even superseding) follow-your-nose. Could probably
   just reuse wrds:describedby, though it's not a subproperty of
   rdfs:seeAlso.
- see:continued -- pointer to more data of the same nature. Would be
   useful for paged data. When you have a blog marked up with RDFa, you
   may want to let the consumer know that any given page is really just
   a part of it. Strength depends on the application.
- see:historical -- pointer to data that no longer holds, thus cannot
   be taken at face value, but only in conjunction with some
   time-related terms (like owlTime:Interval). In other words, don't go
   there unless you are time-enabled.
- see:non_rdf -- pointer to a machine-readable description that is not
   in a serialization of RDF (GRDDL not counted as one).
- see:human_readable -- pointer to a description that is human-readable
   only.

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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Vasiliy Faronov
On Пнд, 2011-01-10 at 08:55 +, Phil Archer wrote:
 However... a property should not imply any content type AFAIAC. That's 
 the job of the HTTP Headers. If software de-references an rdfs:seeAlso 
 object and only expects RDF then it should have a suitable accept 
 header. if the server can't respond with that content type, there are 
 codes to handle that.

RDF often comes in the form of RDFa, which doesn't have a separate media
type from that of the host language. There are also custom provisions
for RDF in OpenDocument and PDF as far as I understand.

But I agree that using a property to indicate non-RDF content might be
conflating things, as format is orthogonal to the role of the relation.

Maybe something like this could work:

/foo rdfs:seeAlso /bar .
/bar
a see:HumanReadableOnlyDescription ;
dcterms:format http://example.net/text/html .

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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Ivan Herman
I know it is not the same, but I use a combination of the ORE aggregation and 
the dc:format terms when I publish my presentation slides in different formats. 
This is really relevant if you have a document that has different formats but 
is the same logical 'thing'. What I do, roughly, is:

@prefix ore: http://www.openarchives.org/ore/terms/ .
@prefix dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/ .
http://www.w3.org/2010/1124-Amsterdam-IH/#talk a ore:Aggregation ;
   ore:aggregates http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/1124-Amsterdam-IH/Talk.pdf,
   . 

http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/1124-Amsterdam-IH/Talk.pdf a 
ore:AggregatedResource ;
 dc:format http://purl.org/NET/mediatypes/application/pdf . 

If you have something like that, you can the do a 

   rdfs:seeAlso http://www.w3.org/2010/1124-Amsterdam-IH/#talk .

Would that help?

Caveat: the purl.org/NET/mediatypes includes only the formally registered media 
type, eg, not (yet?) Turtle... but that is a different thread...

Ivan 



On Jan 6, 2011, at 20:40 , Peter DeVries wrote:

 I was wondering if there is an existing predicate for linking to a PDF file?
 
 I would like to incorporate a link between bibliographic reference 
 description and a URL to the location of a PDF of that document.
  
 I had minted a predicate txn:hasPDFVersion, as demonstrated in this RDF 
 snippet. (Part of http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf )
 
   txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription 
 rdf:about=http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription;
 !-- Ideally, this should link to a resource in the Biodiversity Heritage 
 Library --
 dcterms:titleOriginal Published Description relating to Species Concept 
 Puma concolor se:v6n7p/dcterms:title
 
 dcterms:identifierhttp://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription/dcterms:identifier
 dcterms:descriptionLOD metadata about the original species description 
 relating to Species Concept Puma concolor se:v6n7p/dcterms:description
 dcterms:isPartOf 
 rdf:resource=http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species/
 txn:hasAuthorURI 
 rdf:resource=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Carl_Linnaeus/
 txn:hasBasionymNameFelis concolor Linnaeus 1771/txn:hasBasionymName
 txn:year1771/txn:year
 txn:hasPDFVersion 
 rdf:resource=http://assets.geospecies.org/spec_concept_uuid/603bebac-cc44-4168-bbf7-b11b976f9d79/Felis_concolor_Linnaeus_1771.pdf/
 txn:speciesOriginalDescriptionHasSpeciesConcept 
 rdf:resource=http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species/
 !-- There should be a type specimen. Add link to GBIF via 
 'txn:sodHasTypeSpecimen' if they know about it. --
 wdrs:describedBy 
 rdf:resource=http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf/
   /txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription
 
 Some have suggested using rdfs:seeAlso to link to what could be a 
 multimegabyte PDF, but I think this would cause problems for a number of RDF 
 crawlers like Elmo.
 
 In summary, I think it would be useful to have a predicate that can be used 
 for linking specifically to a PDF document.
 
 Is there an existing predicate for this?
 
 What do people think about the suggestion to use rdfs:seeAlso to link to a 
 PDF?
 
 I would also like to know of others thoughts or suggestions regarding this 
 issue,
 
 Respectfully,
 
 - Pete
 
 
 
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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread William Waites
* [2011-01-10 08:55:59 +] Phil Archer phil.arc...@talis.com écrit:

] However... a property should not imply any content type AFAIAC. That's 
] the job of the HTTP Headers. If software de-references an rdfs:seeAlso 
] object and only expects RDF then it should have a suitable accept 
] header. if the server can't respond with that content type, there are 
] codes to handle that.

I disagree that we should rely on HTTP headers for this.
Consider local processing of a large multi-graph dataset.
These kinds of properties can act as hints to process one
graph or another without the need to dereference something.
(tending to think of graph as equivalent to document 
obtained by dereferencing the graph's name).

Slightly more esoteric are graphs made available over 
ftp, finger, freenet, etc.. Let's take advantage of HTTP
where appropriate but not mix up the transport and 
content unnecessariy.

Cheers,
-w
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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Archer

Hmmm... no, sorry, William, I think we're destined to disagree.

On the Web in general, URIs don't, or certainly shouldn't, imply any 
particular content type. It is perfectly valid, for example, to return a 
PNG image from a URI that ends in .gif (awkward, unexpected, probably 
silly, but not 'wrong', especially if the Accept Headers indicate a 
preference for PNG over GIF). RDF does not require any URI to be 
dereferencable so that, as you say, you can process a graph without 
having to dereference anything. If you /do/ dereference a URI you might 
get a 406 Not Acceptable response, which, IMHO, is as valid as any other 
(and I'm trying hard not to reopen the 303 debate yet again here!!). If 
the User Agent can only accept certain content types then it should make 
that explicit in is request headers and be ready to handle a 406 in some 
intelligent way.


Phil.

On 10/01/2011 12:45, William Waites wrote:

* [2011-01-10 08:55:59 +] Phil Archerphil.arc...@talis.com  écrit:

] However... a property should not imply any content type AFAIAC. That's
] the job of the HTTP Headers. If software de-references an rdfs:seeAlso
] object and only expects RDF then it should have a suitable accept
] header. if the server can't respond with that content type, there are
] codes to handle that.

I disagree that we should rely on HTTP headers for this.
Consider local processing of a large multi-graph dataset.
These kinds of properties can act as hints to process one
graph or another without the need to dereference something.
(tending to think of graph as equivalent to document
obtained by dereferencing the graph's name).

Slightly more esoteric are graphs made available over
ftp, finger, freenet, etc.. Let's take advantage of HTTP
where appropriate but not mix up the transport and
content unnecessariy.

Cheers,
-w


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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Toby Inkster
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 18:21 +0300, Vasiliy Faronov wrote:

 Maybe it's time to define several specializations of rdfs:seeAlso with
 stronger semantics? 

Don't we already have enough of those?

s powder-s:describedby o .
# o provides some more information about o, often in a
# machine-readable format.

s rdfs:seeAlso o .
# Like powder-s:describedby but perhaps more tangential.
# o might have information on something similar to s; or
# if s is a document, o might have information on the
# things described by s.

s foaf:page o .
# o provides information about s, often in a human-readable
# format.

s rdfs:isDefinedBy o .
# o provides the canonical definition of s .

We also have foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf, various terms from the XHTML
vocabulary (xhv:meta, xhv:next, xhv:prev, etc), various terms from
Dublin Core (dc:source, dc:relation, dc:replaces/isReplacedBy,
dc:references/isReferencedBy, dc:hasVersion/isVersionOf,
dc:hasPart/isPartOf, dc:isFormatOf/hasFormat) and countless others.

To answer the original question, I'd say foaf:page is a better predicate
than rdfs:seeAlso for a large PDF.

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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Toby Inkster
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 08:55 +, Phil Archer wrote:
 I'd be happy enough to see greater granularity for rdfs:seeAlso. I
 have a use case where I want to say something like the uri has been
 minted recently by a source that is not authoritative but that, if
 widely adopted, could become so. Either way, it's worth noting that he
 and I are talking about the same thing - and rdfs:seeAlso doesn't
 really cover that nuance! 

@prefix dc:   http://purl.org/dc/terms/ .
@prefix uri:  http://purl.org/NET/uri# .
@prefix rdfs: http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema# .
@prefix xsd:  http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema# .

foo rdfs:seeAlso http://example.com/bar .
http://example.com/bar uri:identifier [
uri:literal http://example.com/bar^^xsd:anyURI ;
dc:issued 2011-01-08^^xsd:date ;
u:policy _:ExampleDotComUriPolicy ;
u:assigned_by http://example.com/alice#me
] .
_:ExampleDotComUriPolicy
rdfs:comment
  These URIs are not authoritative, but may become so.@en .

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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Jiří Procházka
On 01/10/2011 01:45 PM, William Waites wrote:
 * [2011-01-10 08:55:59 +] Phil Archer phil.arc...@talis.com écrit:
 
 ] However... a property should not imply any content type AFAIAC. That's 
 ] the job of the HTTP Headers. If software de-references an rdfs:seeAlso 
 ] object and only expects RDF then it should have a suitable accept 
 ] header. if the server can't respond with that content type, there are 
 ] codes to handle that.
 
 I disagree that we should rely on HTTP headers for this.
 Consider local processing of a large multi-graph dataset.
 These kinds of properties can act as hints to process one
 graph or another without the need to dereference something.
 (tending to think of graph as equivalent to document 
 obtained by dereferencing the graph's name).
 
 Slightly more esoteric are graphs made available over 
 ftp, finger, freenet, etc.. Let's take advantage of HTTP
 where appropriate but not mix up the transport and 
 content unnecessariy.
 
 Cheers,
 -w

I agree, there is nothing wrong in having a subProperty which includes
more information, whether it be about the subject or object of the
triple, regardless if it's about content type or anything else.
I believe it is good practice to specify domain and range of property in
as precisely as possible. Failing to do so begs for usage which either
is wrong by the original intention or making the meaning of the property
very fuzzy, which in both cases results in less useful data.

Best,
Jiri



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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Nathan

Phil Archer wrote:
On the Web in general, URIs don't, or certainly shouldn't, imply any 
particular content type.


They don't imply anything, they name things, and the thing that's named 
can by all means be a representation with a specific mediatype, infact 
this is by far the most common usage of URIs, and always has been.







Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Archer


On 10/01/2011 14:16, Nathan wrote:

Phil Archer wrote:

On the Web in general, URIs don't, or certainly shouldn't, imply any
particular content type.


They don't imply anything, they name things, and the thing that's named
can by all means be a representation with a specific mediatype, infact
this is by far the most common usage of URIs, and always has been.


True, of course. But the fact that the identified resource is only 
available in a single representation is not denoted by the identifier. 
One might have reasonable expectations about 
http://example.com/index.html but no more. The only authoritative 
declaration of the content type of a resource is given in the HTTP 
response headers received when dereferencing the identifier.


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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Vasiliy Faronov
On Пнд, 2011-01-10 at 13:04 +, Toby Inkster wrote:
 Don't we already have enough of those?

Maybe we do, but then it's an issue of best practice consensus and
documentation. I think both publishers and consumers could benefit from
a broadly-agreed-upon list of common link types with appropriate
predicates.


 s powder-s:describedby o .
 # o provides some more information about o, often in a
 # machine-readable format.

Or could as well be a 15M PDF. An autonomous LD client cannot tell.

An informal recommendation like use wdrs:describedby to point to a
terse and authoritative RDF description and/or wdrs:describedby is
equivalent to a follow-your-nose description would help.

Then again, nothing in the POWDER spec says it shouldn't be a 15M PDF.
So we kind of imbue a predicate with semantics it doesn't have according
to the standard. A separate term with a clear specification would avoid
this problem and everyone could rely on it.


 s rdfs:seeAlso o .
 # Like powder-s:describedby but perhaps more tangential.

As Tim's email suggests, this interpretation is not universal.


 s rdfs:isDefinedBy o .
 # o provides the canonical definition of s .

It's clear what a definition is for an RDFS vocabulary term, but not
clear if I can apply this to instance data. Is authoritative
description synonymous with definition? Does anyone use isDefinedBy
for things other than classes and properties?

-- 
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Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
It is well to look at and make best practices for the things
we have if we don't

It was the FOAF folks who, initially, instead of using linked data,
used an Inverse Functional Property to uniquely identify 
someone and then rdfs:seeAlso to find the data about them.
So any FOAF browser has to look up the seeAlso  or they 
don't follow any links.

So tabulator always when looking up x and finding x see:also y will 
load y.  So must any similar client or any crawler.

So there is a lot of existing use we would throw away if we 
allowed rdfs:seeAlso for pointing to things which do not 
provide data. (It isn't the question of conneg or mime type,
that is a red herring. it is whether there is machine-redable
standards-based stuff about x).

Further, we should not make any weaker properties like seeDocumentation
subproperties of see:Also, or they would imply
We maybe need a very weak top property like

mayHaveSomeKindOfInfoAboutThis 

to be the superProperty of all the others.

One things which could be stronger than seeAlso is definedBy if it
is normally used for data, to point to the definitive ontology.
That would then imply seeAlso.

Tim











Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque docs? biomedical use case

2011-01-10 Thread M. Scott Marshall
[Scott dusts off old use case and pulls from the shelf. Adjusts
subject of thread. Was: best practice for referring to PDF]

In Health Care and Life Science domains, image data is a common form
of data under discussion so a best practice for referring to an image
or to an (extractable) feature *within* an image would cover a
fundamental need in biomedicine to point to 'raw' data as evidence (as
well as giving meaning to the raw data!).

A clinical example from breast cancer:
There is a scan that produces an image that contains features referred
to by the radiologist as 'microcalcifications', which can be
indicative of the presence of a tumor.

I can think of a few scenarios that would refer to the image data
(mammogram). There are probably more:
1) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence.
2) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence, along
with a image processing/feature extraction program that will highlight
the phenomenon in the image.
3) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
microcalcifications and refers to a specific region in the image as
evidence using some function of a 2D coordinate system such as
polyline.

The question: How can we refer to the microcalcifications as an
indication of a certain type of tumor in each case 1, 2, and 3 in RDF?

I am especially interested in the 'structural' aspects: How do we
refer to the image document as containingEvidence ? How can we refer
to a *region* of the image in the document? How can we refer to the
software that will extract the relevant features with statistical
confidence, etc.?

Any ideas or pointers to existing practices would be appreciated. I'm
aware of some related work in multimedia to refer to temporal regions
but I am specifically interested in spatial regions.

Note that an analogous question of practice exists for textual
documents such as literature in PubMed that can be text-mined for
(evidence of) assertions.

* Note: 2D is a simplification that should come in handy in
implementations and often deemed necessary, such as thumbnails.

-Scott

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http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote:
 It is well to look at and make best practices for the things
 we have if we don't

 It was the FOAF folks who, initially, instead of using linked data,
 used an Inverse Functional Property to uniquely identify
 someone and then rdfs:seeAlso to find the data about them.
 So any FOAF browser has to look up the seeAlso  or they
 don't follow any links.

 So tabulator always when looking up x and finding x see:also y will
 load y.  So must any similar client or any crawler.

 So there is a lot of existing use we would throw away if we
 allowed rdfs:seeAlso for pointing to things which do not
 provide data. (It isn't the question of conneg or mime type,
 that is a red herring. it is whether there is machine-redable
 standards-based stuff about x).

 Further, we should not make any weaker properties like seeDocumentation
 subproperties of see:Also, or they would imply
 We maybe need a very weak top property like

 mayHaveSomeKindOfInfoAboutThis

 to be the superProperty of all the others.

 One things which could be stronger than seeAlso is definedBy if it
 is normally used for data, to point to the definitive ontology.
 That would then imply seeAlso.

 Tim



RE: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque docs? biomedical use case

2011-01-10 Thread Michel_Dumontier

 In Health Care and Life Science domains, image data is a common form
 of data under discussion so a best practice for referring to an image
 or to an (extractable) feature *within* an image would cover a
 fundamental need in biomedicine to point to 'raw' data as evidence (as
 well as giving meaning to the raw data!).
 
 A clinical example from breast cancer:
 There is a scan that produces an image that contains features referred
 to by the radiologist as 'microcalcifications', which can be
 indicative of the presence of a tumor.
 
 I can think of a few scenarios that would refer to the image data
 (mammogram). There are probably more:
 1) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
 microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence.
 2) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
 microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence, along
 with a image processing/feature extraction program that will highlight
 the phenomenon in the image.
 3) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
 microcalcifications and refers to a specific region in the image as
 evidence using some function of a 2D coordinate system such as
 polyline.
 
 The question: How can we refer to the microcalcifications as an
 indication of a certain type of tumor in each case 1, 2, and 3 in RDF?

Hi Scott,
  Fun! There's undoubtedly a number of ways that this can be done, but we (e.g. 
for Bio2RDF and SADI projects) would do it as follows using the Semanticscience 
Integrated Ontology (SIO):  

http://semanticscience.org/ontology/sio.owl


Simplified using (dash for space) labels and : for entities in the local 
namespace...

1)
:radiology-report rdf:type sio:document
:radiology-report sio:contains :mammogram
:mammogram rdf:type sio:image
:mammogram sio:describes :microcalcification 
:microcalcification rdf:type SNOMED:12747003

2)
:mammogram sio:has-component-part :region
:region rdf:type sio:site
:region sio:created-by :software-program  # another relation, such as 
identified-by may be necessary here
:software-program rdf:type sio:software-application
:region sio:represents :microcalcification
:region sio:has-attribute :feature-identification-confidence
:feature-identification-confidence rdf:type sio:quantity
:feature-identification-confidence sio:has-value 90
:feature-identification-confidence sio:has-unit unit:percent_unit

3)
:region sio:has-boundary sio:polyline
:polyline sio:has-component-part sio:line-segment
:line-segment sio:has-component-part :start-point
:line-segment sio:has-component-part :end-point
:start-point sio:has-location :x-coordinate-1
:start-point sio:has-location :y-coordinate-1
:x-coordinate-1 rdf:type sio:x-cartesian-coordinate
:y-coordinate-1 rdf:type sio:y-cartesian-coordinate
:x-coordinate-1 sio:has-value x1 
:y-coordinate-1 sio:has-value y1 
:end-point sio:has-location :x-coordinate-2
:end-point sio:has-location :y-coordinate-2
:x-coordinate-2 rdf:type sio:x-cartesian-coordinate
:y-coordinate-2 rdf:type sio:y-cartesian-coordinate
:x-coordinate-2 sio:has-value x2 
:y-coordinate-2 sio:has-value y2 

While the coordinate data is verbose, it is quite extensible (one can annotate 
the points with other information such as colours or values, and we can use 
different position systems e.g. polar coordinates. This representation is in 
line with that used in our molecular surface project, which implements a SADI 
service interface http://semanticscience.org/projects/mosumo/index.html


Cheers!

m.
 
 I am especially interested in the 'structural' aspects: How do we
 refer to the image document as containingEvidence ? How can we refer
 to a *region* of the image in the document? How can we refer to the
 software that will extract the relevant features with statistical
 confidence, etc.?
 
 Any ideas or pointers to existing practices would be appreciated. I'm
 aware of some related work in multimedia to refer to temporal regions
 but I am specifically interested in spatial regions.
 
 Note that an analogous question of practice exists for textual
 documents such as literature in PubMed that can be text-mined for
 (evidence of) assertions.
 
 * Note: 2D is a simplification that should come in handy in
 implementations and often deemed necessary, such as thumbnails.
 
 -Scott
 
 --
 M. Scott Marshall, W3C HCLS IG co-chair, http://www.w3.org/blog/hcls
 Leiden University Medical Center / University of Amsterdam
 http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall
 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote:
  It is well to look at and make best practices for the things
  we have if we don't
 
  It was the FOAF folks who, initially, instead of using linked data,
  used an Inverse Functional Property to uniquely identify
  someone and then rdfs:seeAlso to find the data about them.
  So any FOAF browser has to look up the seeAlso  or they
  don't follow any links.
 
  So tabulator always when looking up x and finding x see:also y will
  load y.  So must 

Re: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?, existing predicate for linking to PDF?

2011-01-10 Thread Peter DeVries
Thanks to everyone.

I fixed the issues with wdrs:describedby, used dcterms:hasFormat to link to
the PDF the #OriginalDescription section now shows.

txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription rdf:about=
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription;
 !-- Ideally, this should link to a resource in the Biodiversity Heritage
Library --
 dcterms:titleOriginal Published Description relating to Species Concept
Puma concolor se:v6n7p/dcterms:title
 dcterms:identifier
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription
/dcterms:identifier
 dcterms:descriptionLOD metadata about the original species description
relating to Species Concept Puma concolor se:v6n7p/dcterms:description
 dcterms:isPartOf rdf:resource=
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species/
 dcterms:creator rdf:resource=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Carl_Linnaeus/
 txn:hasBasionymNameFelis concolor Linnaeus 1771/txn:hasBasionymName
 dcterms:created rdf:datatype=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear
1771/dcterms:created
 dcterms:hasFormat rdf:resource=
http://assets.geospecies.org/spec_concept_uuid/603bebac-cc44-4168-bbf7-b11b976f9d79/Felis_concolor_Linnaeus_1771.pdf
/
 txn:speciesOriginalDescriptionHasSpeciesConcept rdf:resource=
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species/
 !-- There should be a type specimen. Add link to GBIF via
'txn:sodHasTypeSpecimen' if they know about it. --
 wdrs:describedby rdf:resource=http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf
/
/txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription

rdf:Description rdf:about=
http://assets.geospecies.org/spec_concept_uuid/603bebac-cc44-4168-bbf7-b11b976f9d79/Felis_concolor_Linnaeus_1771.pdf

 dcterms:formatapplication/pdf/dcterms:format
/rdf:Description

Here is the link to the entire RDF for this species
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf

I have updated the CKAN information http://ckan.net/package/taxonconcept

http://ckan.net/package/taxonconceptand the void
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/void.rdf

The RDF dump files have been updated.

http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/void.rdfThe semantic sitemap is here
http://lod.taxonconcept.org/sitemap.xml.gz

http://lod.taxonconcept.org/sitemap.xml.gzI still have not figured out the
best way to generate the interlink counts but the CKAN numbers are close.

There are probably still errors or suboptimal semantic markup in these or
their related ontology.

I would welcome any suggestions or comments on ways to make these better.

With each iteration I have been trying to add additional information that
makes it easier to determine what is a and what is not an instance of one of
the species concepts.

It will take a while for these to get to what they should be.

Thanks Again,

Respectfully,

- Pete

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote:

 It is well to look at and make best practices for the things
 we have if we don't

 It was the FOAF folks who, initially, instead of using linked data,
 used an Inverse Functional Property to uniquely identify
 someone and then rdfs:seeAlso to find the data about them.
 So any FOAF browser has to look up the seeAlso  or they
 don't follow any links.

 So tabulator always when looking up x and finding x see:also y will
 load y.  So must any similar client or any crawler.

 So there is a lot of existing use we would throw away if we
 allowed rdfs:seeAlso for pointing to things which do not
 provide data. (It isn't the question of conneg or mime type,
 that is a red herring. it is whether there is machine-redable
 standards-based stuff about x).

 Further, we should not make any weaker properties like seeDocumentation
 subproperties of see:Also, or they would imply
 We maybe need a very weak top property like

 mayHaveSomeKindOfInfoAboutThis

 to be the superProperty of all the others.

 One things which could be stronger than seeAlso is definedBy if it
 is normally used for data, to point to the definitive ontology.
 That would then imply seeAlso.

 Tim











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---
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Department of Entomology
University of Wisconsin - Madison
445 Russell Laboratories
1630 Linden Drive
Madison, WI 53706
TaxonConcept Knowledge Base http://www.taxonconcept.org/ / GeoSpecies
Knowledge Base http://lod.geospecies.org/
About the GeoSpecies Knowledge Base http://about.geospecies.org/



RE: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque docs? biomedical use case

2011-01-10 Thread Michael Miller
hi tim and scott,

in looking at the ImageSelector, i'm surprised there are no units
specifically specified, either as a default or as a property.  are they
assumed to be pixels?

also, you might want to take a look at GelML
(http://psidev.info/index.php?q=node/448) for a bit more sophisticated way
to specify a position.  the specification allows four different types of
basic shapes: BoundaryChain, BoundaryPointSet, Circle, and Rectangle.
altho it's an XML Schema spec, it should be easy enough to translate to
RDF.

cheers,
michael


 -Original Message-
 From: public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-semweb-
 lifesci-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Tim Clark
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:35 AM
 To: M. Scott Marshall
 Cc: HCLS IG; public-lod@w3.org; Daniel Rubin; John F. Madden; Vasiliy
 Faronov; Toby Inkster; Peter DeVries; Tim Berners-Lee; Paolo Ciccarese;
 Anita de Waard; Maryann Martone
 Subject: Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque
 docs? biomedical use case

 Hi Scott,

 For referring to a portion of an image, let me point you to work in my
 group done in collaboration with HCLS Scientific Discourse Task, UCSD,
 Elsevier, and one of the major pharmas.  Paolo Ciccarese is the main
 author, and this work is based on the earlier W3C project Annotea.

 AO, Annotation ontology, here: http://code.google.com/p/annotation-
 ontology/, presented at Bio Ontologies 2010, and full-length paper in
 press at BMC Bioinformatics.

 Bio Ontologies 2010 slides here:
 http://www.slideshare.net/paolociccarese/ao-annotation-ontology-for-
 science-on-the-web

 AO uses a special subclass of Selector to specify the part of the
 document (image) being referred to.

 see here for Selectors: http://code.google.com/p/annotation-
 ontology/wiki/Selectors

 and here for an example of image annotation:
 http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/wiki/AnnotationTypes

 Best

 Tim

 On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:30 AM, M. Scott Marshall wrote:

  [Scott dusts off old use case and pulls from the shelf. Adjusts
  subject of thread. Was: best practice for referring to PDF]
 
  In Health Care and Life Science domains, image data is a common form
  of data under discussion so a best practice for referring to an image
  or to an (extractable) feature *within* an image would cover a
  fundamental need in biomedicine to point to 'raw' data as evidence
 (as
  well as giving meaning to the raw data!).
 
  A clinical example from breast cancer:
  There is a scan that produces an image that contains features
 referred
  to by the radiologist as 'microcalcifications', which can be
  indicative of the presence of a tumor.
 
  I can think of a few scenarios that would refer to the image data
  (mammogram). There are probably more:
  1) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence.
  2) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence, along
  with a image processing/feature extraction program that will
 highlight
  the phenomenon in the image.
  3) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to a specific region in the image as
  evidence using some function of a 2D coordinate system such as
  polyline.
 
  The question: How can we refer to the microcalcifications as an
  indication of a certain type of tumor in each case 1, 2, and 3 in
 RDF?
 
  I am especially interested in the 'structural' aspects: How do we
  refer to the image document as containingEvidence ? How can we refer
  to a *region* of the image in the document? How can we refer to the
  software that will extract the relevant features with statistical
  confidence, etc.?
 
  Any ideas or pointers to existing practices would be appreciated. I'm
  aware of some related work in multimedia to refer to temporal regions
  but I am specifically interested in spatial regions.
 
  Note that an analogous question of practice exists for textual
  documents such as literature in PubMed that can be text-mined for
  (evidence of) assertions.
 
  * Note: 2D is a simplification that should come in handy in
  implementations and often deemed necessary, such as thumbnails.
 
  -Scott
 
  --
  M. Scott Marshall, W3C HCLS IG co-chair, http://www.w3.org/blog/hcls
  Leiden University Medical Center / University of Amsterdam
  http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall
 
  On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org
 wrote:
  It is well to look at and make best practices for the things
  we have if we don't
 
  It was the FOAF folks who, initially, instead of using linked data,
  used an Inverse Functional Property to uniquely identify
  someone and then rdfs:seeAlso to find the data about them.
  So any FOAF browser has to look up the seeAlso  or they
  don't follow any links.
 
  So tabulator always when looking up x and finding x see:also y will
  load y.  So must 

RE: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque docs? biomedical use case

2011-01-10 Thread Daniel Rubin
Interesting.
In case you weren't aware, we've done quite a bit on semantic image
annotation and creating and XML schema for specifying regions of images and
the ontology terms to describe them..
I have a number of papers on this on my web site if you're interested..

Daniel

___
Daniel L. Rubin, MD, MS  
Assistant Professor
Department of Radiology | Stanford University
Richard M. Lucas Center | 1201 Welch Road, Office P285
Stanford, CA 94305-5488
Phone: 650-723-9495 | Fax: 650-723-5795
Web: http://rubin.web.stanford.edu/


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Clark [mailto:tim_cl...@harvard.edu]
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:35 AM
 To: M. Scott Marshall
 Cc: HCLS IG; public-lod@w3.org; Daniel Rubin; John F. Madden; Vasiliy
Faronov;
 Toby Inkster; Peter DeVries; Tim Berners-Lee; Paolo Ciccarese; Anita de
Waard;
 Maryann Martone
 Subject: Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque
docs?
 biomedical use case
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 For referring to a portion of an image, let me point you to work in my
group done
 in collaboration with HCLS Scientific Discourse Task, UCSD, Elsevier, and
one of
 the major pharmas.  Paolo Ciccarese is the main author, and this work is
based on
 the earlier W3C project Annotea.
 
 AO, Annotation ontology, here:
http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/,
 presented at Bio Ontologies 2010, and full-length paper in press at BMC
 Bioinformatics.
 
 Bio Ontologies 2010 slides here:
http://www.slideshare.net/paolociccarese/ao-
 annotation-ontology-for-science-on-the-web
 
 AO uses a special subclass of Selector to specify the part of the document
 (image) being referred to.
 
 see here for Selectors: http://code.google.com/p/annotation-
 ontology/wiki/Selectors
 
 and here for an example of image annotation:
 http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/wiki/AnnotationTypes
 
 Best
 
 Tim
 
 On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:30 AM, M. Scott Marshall wrote:
 
  [Scott dusts off old use case and pulls from the shelf. Adjusts
  subject of thread. Was: best practice for referring to PDF]
 
  In Health Care and Life Science domains, image data is a common form
  of data under discussion so a best practice for referring to an image
  or to an (extractable) feature *within* an image would cover a
  fundamental need in biomedicine to point to 'raw' data as evidence (as
  well as giving meaning to the raw data!).
 
  A clinical example from breast cancer:
  There is a scan that produces an image that contains features referred
  to by the radiologist as 'microcalcifications', which can be
  indicative of the presence of a tumor.
 
  I can think of a few scenarios that would refer to the image data
  (mammogram). There are probably more:
  1) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence.
  2) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence, along
  with a image processing/feature extraction program that will highlight
  the phenomenon in the image.
  3) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to a specific region in the image as
  evidence using some function of a 2D coordinate system such as
  polyline.
 
  The question: How can we refer to the microcalcifications as an
  indication of a certain type of tumor in each case 1, 2, and 3 in RDF?
 
  I am especially interested in the 'structural' aspects: How do we
  refer to the image document as containingEvidence ? How can we refer
  to a *region* of the image in the document? How can we refer to the
  software that will extract the relevant features with statistical
  confidence, etc.?
 
  Any ideas or pointers to existing practices would be appreciated. I'm
  aware of some related work in multimedia to refer to temporal regions
  but I am specifically interested in spatial regions.
 
  Note that an analogous question of practice exists for textual
  documents such as literature in PubMed that can be text-mined for
  (evidence of) assertions.
 
  * Note: 2D is a simplification that should come in handy in
  implementations and often deemed necessary, such as thumbnails.
 
  -Scott
 
  --
  M. Scott Marshall, W3C HCLS IG co-chair, http://www.w3.org/blog/hcls
  Leiden University Medical Center / University of Amsterdam
  http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall
 
  On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote:
  It is well to look at and make best practices for the things
  we have if we don't
 
  It was the FOAF folks who, initially, instead of using linked data,
  used an Inverse Functional Property to uniquely identify
  someone and then rdfs:seeAlso to find the data about them.
  So any FOAF browser has to look up the seeAlso  or they
  don't follow any links.
 
  So tabulator always when looking up x and 

Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque docs? biomedical use case

2011-01-10 Thread Maryann Martone
We have also been working on semantic tagging of image parts, from the  
microscopy realm.  We have been working in this area with our Web  
Image Browser.  This system is designed for annotation of extrememly  
large images coming from light and electron microscopy.  A demo can be  
seen at:


http://ccdb-portal.crbs.ucsd.edu/WebImageBrowser/cgi-bin/start.pl?imagePath=http://ccdb-portal.crbs.ucsd.edu:8081/ZoomifyDataServer/data/MP_23_rec

The annotation creates a simple model of EQ (entity quality) drawing  
on the NIF ontologies through an autocomplete function.  In the View  
xml function, you can see the xml that we use to relate the  
annotations to the geometry.  The next step will be to specify these  
geometries in brain coordinates if the data are registered to our  
Whole Brain Catalog (http://wholebraincatalog.org) or some other  
coordinate system.


Maryann


On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Tim Clark wrote:


Hi Michael,

The default is assumed to be pixels.  Thanks very much for the  
suggestion regarding GeIML.


Subclasses of AO's Selector class have been worked through in some  
detail for annotating text, but have not received comparably  
detailed attention for images.


This is something we are hoping to do in the future, particularly  
for biomedical imaging.  Collaborators interested in working with us  
on this topic are welcome.


Kind regards,

Tim


On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Michael Miller wrote:


hi tim and scott,

in looking at the ImageSelector, i'm surprised there are no units
specifically specified, either as a default or as a property.  are  
they

assumed to be pixels?

also, you might want to take a look at GelML
(http://psidev.info/index.php?q=node/448) for a bit more  
sophisticated way
to specify a position.  the specification allows four different  
types of

basic shapes: BoundaryChain, BoundaryPointSet, Circle, and Rectangle.
altho it's an XML Schema spec, it should be easy enough to  
translate to

RDF.

cheers,
michael



-Original Message-
From: public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-semweb-
lifesci-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Tim Clark
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:35 AM
To: M. Scott Marshall
Cc: HCLS IG; public-lod@w3.org; Daniel Rubin; John F. Madden;  
Vasiliy
Faronov; Toby Inkster; Peter DeVries; Tim Berners-Lee; Paolo  
Ciccarese;

Anita de Waard; Maryann Martone
Subject: Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine- 
opaque

docs? biomedical use case

Hi Scott,

For referring to a portion of an image, let me point you to work  
in my
group done in collaboration with HCLS Scientific Discourse Task,  
UCSD,

Elsevier, and one of the major pharmas.  Paolo Ciccarese is the main
author, and this work is based on the earlier W3C project Annotea.

AO, Annotation ontology, here: http://code.google.com/p/annotation-
ontology/, presented at Bio Ontologies 2010, and full-length paper  
in

press at BMC Bioinformatics.

Bio Ontologies 2010 slides here:
http://www.slideshare.net/paolociccarese/ao-annotation-ontology-for-
science-on-the-web

AO uses a special subclass of Selector to specify the part of the
document (image) being referred to.

see here for Selectors: http://code.google.com/p/annotation-
ontology/wiki/Selectors

and here for an example of image annotation:
http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/wiki/AnnotationTypes

Best

Tim

On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:30 AM, M. Scott Marshall wrote:


[Scott dusts off old use case and pulls from the shelf. Adjusts
subject of thread. Was: best practice for referring to PDF]

In Health Care and Life Science domains, image data is a common  
form
of data under discussion so a best practice for referring to an  
image

or to an (extractable) feature *within* an image would cover a
fundamental need in biomedicine to point to 'raw' data as evidence

(as

well as giving meaning to the raw data!).

A clinical example from breast cancer:
There is a scan that produces an image that contains features

referred

to by the radiologist as 'microcalcifications', which can be
indicative of the presence of a tumor.

I can think of a few scenarios that would refer to the image data
(mammogram). There are probably more:
1) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence.
2) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence,  
along

with a image processing/feature extraction program that will

highlight

the phenomenon in the image.
3) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
microcalcifications and refers to a specific region in the image as
evidence using some function of a 2D coordinate system such as
polyline.

The question: How can we refer to the microcalcifications as an
indication of a certain type of tumor in each case 1, 2, and 3 in

RDF?


I am especially interested in the 'structural' aspects: How do we
refer to the image document as 

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RE: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque docs? biomedical use case

2011-01-10 Thread Daniel Rubin
Hi,

For example:

 

http://stanford.edu/~rubin/pubs/Rubin-IEEEIntelSys-2009.pdf

http://stanford.edu/~rubin/pubs/Channin-JDI-2009.pdf

 

or others there on Annotation and Image Markup..

 

Daniel

 

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 Daniel L. Rubin, MD, MS  Description:
Description: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CB4E1D.AC3DA3D0

Assistant Professor

Department of Radiology | Stanford University

Richard M. Lucas Center | 1201 Welch Road, Office P285

Stanford, CA 94305-5488

Phone: 650-723-9495 | Fax: 650-723-5795

Web:  http://rubin.web.stanford.edu/
http://rubin.web.stanford.edu/

 

From: Paolo Ciccarese [mailto:paolo.ciccar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:57 PM
To: Daniel Rubin
Cc: Tim Clark; M. Scott Marshall; HCLS IG; public-lod@w3.org; John F.
Madden; Vasiliy Faronov; Toby Inkster; Peter DeVries; Tim Berners-Lee; Anita
de Waard; Maryann Martone
Subject: Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque
docs? biomedical use case

 

Dear Daniel,
I am very interested in revising the material you have related to image
fragments identification.

I just had a look of your website, could you help me in selecting the 2 or 3
papers that you consider most appropriate in this context?

Thank you
Paolo

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Rubin dlru...@stanford.edu wrote:

Interesting.
In case you weren't aware, we've done quite a bit on semantic image
annotation and creating and XML schema for specifying regions of images and
the ontology terms to describe them..
I have a number of papers on this on my web site if you're interested..

Daniel

___
   Daniel L. Rubin, MD, MS
   Assistant Professor
   Department of Radiology | Stanford University
   Richard M. Lucas Center | 1201 Welch Road, Office P285
   Stanford, CA 94305-5488
   Phone: 650-723-9495 | Fax: 650-723-5795
   Web: http://rubin.web.stanford.edu/



 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Clark [mailto:tim_cl...@harvard.edu]
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:35 AM
 To: M. Scott Marshall
 Cc: HCLS IG; public-lod@w3.org; Daniel Rubin; John F. Madden; Vasiliy
Faronov;
 Toby Inkster; Peter DeVries; Tim Berners-Lee; Paolo Ciccarese; Anita de
Waard;
 Maryann Martone
 Subject: Re: best practice relation for linking to image/machine-opaque
docs?
 biomedical use case


 Hi Scott,

 For referring to a portion of an image, let me point you to work in my
group done
 in collaboration with HCLS Scientific Discourse Task, UCSD, Elsevier, and
one of
 the major pharmas.  Paolo Ciccarese is the main author, and this work is
based on
 the earlier W3C project Annotea.

 AO, Annotation ontology, here:
http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/,
 presented at Bio Ontologies 2010, and full-length paper in press at BMC
 Bioinformatics.

 Bio Ontologies 2010 slides here:
http://www.slideshare.net/paolociccarese/ao-
 annotation-ontology-for-science-on-the-web

 AO uses a special subclass of Selector to specify the part of the document
 (image) being referred to.

 see here for Selectors: http://code.google.com/p/annotation-
 ontology/wiki/Selectors

 and here for an example of image annotation:
 http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/wiki/AnnotationTypes

 Best

 Tim

 On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:30 AM, M. Scott Marshall wrote:

  [Scott dusts off old use case and pulls from the shelf. Adjusts
  subject of thread. Was: best practice for referring to PDF]
 
  In Health Care and Life Science domains, image data is a common form
  of data under discussion so a best practice for referring to an image
  or to an (extractable) feature *within* an image would cover a
  fundamental need in biomedicine to point to 'raw' data as evidence (as
  well as giving meaning to the raw data!).
 
  A clinical example from breast cancer:
  There is a scan that produces an image that contains features referred
  to by the radiologist as 'microcalcifications', which can be
  indicative of the presence of a tumor.
 
  I can think of a few scenarios that would refer to the image data
  (mammogram). There are probably more:
  1) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence.
  2) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to the entire image as evidence, along
  with a image processing/feature extraction program that will highlight
  the phenomenon in the image.
  3) The radiology report (in RDF) asserts the presence of
  microcalcifications and refers to a specific region in the image as
  evidence using some function of a 2D coordinate system such as
  polyline.
 
  The question: How can we refer to the microcalcifications as an
  indication of a certain type of tumor in each case 1, 2, and 3 in RDF?
 
  I am especially interested in the 'structural' aspects: How