Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
I have done this http://pynguins.com or google hypernucleus Any programmers want to help with it? On 17 May 2010 06:52, Thiago Chaves shundr...@gmail.com wrote: A few of them do. What is REALLY needed is some program/website/whatever that generates those packages on demand. =) -Thiago On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Alex Nordlund deep.alexan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Evan Kroske e.kro...@gmail.com wrote: Your platform should use whichever is the most widely used by your intended audience. You're missing the point, anyways. What game developer has the time and knowledge required to make their game available in all package managers? --- //Alex -- Thanks, Richie Ward
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
A few of them do. What is REALLY needed is some program/website/whatever that generates those packages on demand. =) -Thiago On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Alex Nordlund deep.alexan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Evan Kroske e.kro...@gmail.com wrote: Your platform should use whichever is the most widely used by your intended audience. You're missing the point, anyways. What game developer has the time and knowledge required to make their game available in all package managers? --- //Alex
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Olof Bjarnason olof.bjarna...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/18 Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com: I don't think I could live without the plethora of libraries available to python :) What about playdeb.net / getdeb.net? Thanks for the links! Wouldn't it be easier if we packaged games for the OS package manager ? deb and apt-get can handle any needed dependences automatically. Yeah sure - but I would not regard them as easy to use. Learning debian packaging is like, well, learning another programming language. If it was trivial to package Python+Pygame source games, this idea would not have survived from my neural net to this mailing list :) Then perhaps all that would be needed would be a GUI wrapper around the package manager command line, that only includes pygame game packages. And some utilities to help developers package their games. -Thadeus On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olof Bjarnason olof.bjarna...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/18 jug j...@fantasymail.de: Hi Olof, Olof Bjarnason wrote: I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. Interesting idea. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source? Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects? Ignore them? :) No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI, and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for pool games to depend upon. Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library. Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin files including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame games? Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page etc. A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in local game pool, that is has been downloaded). That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your friends test out the games. As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki (or similar) to add your game to the database. The game page would include information of where to download the source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots. So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along. For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?). But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually are :) GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some additional game informations. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing: http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/ Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and REST, see the more-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data about the projects. Currently you could use it for a check for updates/newer version inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls for bin and source files (if available). So if people would add their games to pypi and
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Evan Kroske e.kro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with him that an existing package manager should be used to manage dependencies and packaging. But which one? there's tons of them and most suck in their own way. --- //Alex
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Alex Nordlund deep.alexan...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Evan Kroske e.kro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with him that an existing package manager should be used to manage dependencies and packaging. But which one? there's tons of them and most suck in their own way. --- //Alex Your platform should use whichever is the most widely used by your intended audience. If you want your platform to appeal to beginning and non-geek Linux users, use apt-get to be compatible with Ubuntu; if your platform should be available to the most computer users (and you can find enough compatible pygame games), find the most popular Windows package manager (assuming there is one). Obviously, the first step is to identify your audience. -- Evan Kroske http://welcome2obscurity.blogspot.com/ The personal blog of Evan Kroske, novice software developer.
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Evan Kroske e.kro...@gmail.com wrote: Your platform should use whichever is the most widely used by your intended audience. You're missing the point, anyways. What game developer has the time and knowledge required to make their game available in all package managers? --- //Alex
[pygame] Pygame community platform?
I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? -- twitter.com/olofb olofb.wordpress.com
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
Hi Olof, Olof Bjarnason wrote: I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. Interesting idea. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source? Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects? Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin files including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame games? GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some additional game informations. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing: http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/ Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and REST, see the more-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data about the projects. Currently you could use it for a check for updates/newer version inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls for bin and source files (if available). So if people would add their games to pypi and insert a game description and pypi-url/-name on the website, only the GUI would be left to do. Regards, Julian
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
2009/12/18 jug j...@fantasymail.de: Hi Olof, Olof Bjarnason wrote: I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. Interesting idea. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source? Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects? Ignore them? :) No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI, and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for pool games to depend upon. Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library. Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin files including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame games? Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page etc. A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in local game pool, that is has been downloaded). That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your friends test out the games. As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki (or similar) to add your game to the database. The game page would include information of where to download the source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots. So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along. For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?). But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually are :) GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some additional game informations. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing: http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/ Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and REST, see the more-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data about the projects. Currently you could use it for a check for updates/newer version inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls for bin and source files (if available). So if people would add their games to pypi and insert a game description and pypi-url/-name on the website, only the GUI would be left to do. Regards, Julian -- twitter.com/olofb olofb.wordpress.com
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
I don't think I could live without the plethora of libraries available to python :) What about playdeb.net / getdeb.net? Wouldn't it be easier if we packaged games for the OS package manager ? deb and apt-get can handle any needed dependences automatically. Then perhaps all that would be needed would be a GUI wrapper around the package manager command line, that only includes pygame game packages. And some utilities to help developers package their games. -Thadeus On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olof Bjarnason olof.bjarna...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/18 jug j...@fantasymail.de: Hi Olof, Olof Bjarnason wrote: I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. Interesting idea. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source? Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects? Ignore them? :) No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI, and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for pool games to depend upon. Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library. Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin files including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame games? Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page etc. A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in local game pool, that is has been downloaded). That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your friends test out the games. As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki (or similar) to add your game to the database. The game page would include information of where to download the source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots. So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along. For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?). But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually are :) GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some additional game informations. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing: http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/ Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and REST, see the more-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data about the projects. Currently you could use it for a check for updates/newer version inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls for bin and source files (if available). So if people would add their games to pypi and insert a game description and pypi-url/-name on the website, only the GUI would be left to do. Regards, Julian -- twitter.com/olofb olofb.wordpress.com
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
2009/12/18 Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com: I don't think I could live without the plethora of libraries available to python :) What about playdeb.net / getdeb.net? Thanks for the links! Wouldn't it be easier if we packaged games for the OS package manager ? deb and apt-get can handle any needed dependences automatically. Yeah sure - but I would not regard them as easy to use. Learning debian packaging is like, well, learning another programming language. If it was trivial to package Python+Pygame source games, this idea would not have survived from my neural net to this mailing list :) Then perhaps all that would be needed would be a GUI wrapper around the package manager command line, that only includes pygame game packages. And some utilities to help developers package their games. -Thadeus On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olof Bjarnason olof.bjarna...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/18 jug j...@fantasymail.de: Hi Olof, Olof Bjarnason wrote: I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. Interesting idea. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source? Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects? Ignore them? :) No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI, and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for pool games to depend upon. Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library. Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin files including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame games? Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page etc. A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in local game pool, that is has been downloaded). That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your friends test out the games. As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki (or similar) to add your game to the database. The game page would include information of where to download the source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots. So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along. For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?). But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually are :) GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some additional game informations. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing: http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/ Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and REST, see the more-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data about the projects. Currently you could use it for a check for updates/newer version inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls for bin and source files (if available). So if people would add their games to pypi and insert a game description and pypi-url/-name on the website, only the GUI would be left to do. Regards, Julian -- twitter.com/olofb olofb.wordpress.com -- twitter.com/olofb olofb.wordpress.com
Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?
2009/12/18 Olof Bjarnason olof.bjarna...@gmail.com: 2009/12/18 Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com: I don't think I could live without the plethora of libraries available to python :) What about playdeb.net / getdeb.net? Thanks for the links! Wouldn't it be easier if we packaged games for the OS package manager ? deb and apt-get can handle any needed dependences automatically. Yeah sure - but I would not regard them as easy to use. Learning debian packaging is like, well, learning another programming language. .. plus that debian packages is limited to debian based systems. A PygamePlatform program that downloads .py-files+media files is generic and cross-platform in a quite true sense. If it was trivial to package Python+Pygame source games, this idea would not have survived from my neural net to this mailing list :) Then perhaps all that would be needed would be a GUI wrapper around the package manager command line, that only includes pygame game packages. And some utilities to help developers package their games. -Thadeus On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olof Bjarnason olof.bjarna...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/18 jug j...@fantasymail.de: Hi Olof, Olof Bjarnason wrote: I have this crazy idea of making a pygame community platform to make distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler. Interesting idea. For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called something like PygamePlatform. It would provide a graphical user interface, for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using. It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction. What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source? Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects? Ignore them? :) No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI, and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for pool games to depend upon. Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library. Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a PygamePlatform local games pool. Thus uninstalling is as easy as installing. Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin files including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame games? Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page etc. A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in local game pool, that is has been downloaded). That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your friends test out the games. As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki (or similar) to add your game to the database. The game page would include information of where to download the source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots. So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along. For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?). But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually are :) GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu. A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think. The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates to the PygamePlatform-installations out there. Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves. Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some additional game informations. Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing this kind of thing? Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing: http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/ Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and REST, see the more-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data about the projects. Currently you could use it for a check for updates/newer version inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls for bin and source files (if available). So if people would add their games
