Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Fredrik Lundh wrote: >> If you would rather contribute by collecting a list of possible >> trackers along with who will maintain it, then please do. I am not >> going to dive into that quite yet, but if you want to parallelize the >> work needed then I would appreciate the help. > > that is what I expected the PSF infrastructure committee to do (I hope > you're not the only one in that committee?); it's a bit disappointing to > hear that we're still stuck on the SF export issue. > > (wasn't there someone with backchannel access to the SF data ?) Yes. We found a way to export all data (except for file attachments), through a different exporter. This gives all data, unfortunately, it is ill-formed XML (& is not properly entity-referenced sometimes). Anybody who wants to work with these data, please let me know; I made a snapshot a few days ago. The "backchannel access to SF data" was actually someone different: he experimented with the existing export, confirmed the problem, promised to talk to Paul Moore about that, and referred us to the other XML exporter as a work-around (that one allows to export 500 items at a time). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
On 4/2/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > oh, I forgot that the Procrastination & Stop energy Foundation was > > > involved > > > in this. > > > > Fredrik, if you would like to help move this all forward, great; I > > would appreciate the help. You can write a page scraper to get the > > data out of SF > > challenge accepted ;-) > > http://effbot.python-hosting.com/browser/stuff/sandbox/sourceforge/ > > contains three basic tools; getindex to grab index information from a > python tracker, getpages to get "raw" xhtml versions of the item pages, > and getfiles to get attached files. > > I'm currently downloading a tracker snapshot that could be useful for > testing; it'll take a few more hours before all data are downloaded > (provided that SF doesn't ban me, and I don't stumble upon more > cases where a certain rhettinger has pasted binary gunk into an > iso-8859-1 form ;-). > > $ python status.py > tracker-105470 > 6681 items > 1201 pages (17%) > 104 files > tracker-305470 > 3610 items > 0 pages (0%) > 0 files > tracker-355470 > 430 items > 430 pages (100%) > 80 files > > the final step is to finish the "off-line scraper" library (a straightfor- > ward ET hack), and make a snapshot archive available to interested > parties. (drop me a line if you want a copy) > > > If you would rather contribute by collecting a list of possible > > trackers along with who will maintain it, then please do. I am not > > going to dive into that quite yet, but if you want to parallelize the > > work needed then I would appreciate the help. > > that is what I expected the PSF infrastructure committee to do (I hope > you're not the only one in that committee?); it's a bit disappointing to > hear that we're still stuck on the SF export issue. > The reason I didn't want to deal with the trackers quite yet was that I could see people getting the trackers up and squared away, and then just get frustrated when we were unable to get the SF data to them quickly. I didn't want other people stuck spinning there wheels waiting on us. -Brett > (wasn't there someone with backchannel access to the SF data ?) > > > The tracker will need to be able to import the SF data somehow (probably > > will require a > > custom tool so the volunteers need to be aware of this), be able to > > export data (so we can back it up on a regular basis so we don't have > > to go through this again), and an email interface for at least > > replying to tracker items. A community-wide announcement will > > probably be needed to get a good group of volunteers together for any > > one non-commercial tracker. > > > But I am not procrastinating. I don't think I have ever come off as a > > procrastinator on this list and I don't think I deserve the label. > > I wasn't talking about individuals, I was referring to the trend where > PSF moves something off a public forum, and the work just ends up > going nowhere. > > > > > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/brett%40python.org > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Brett Cannon wrote: > > oh, I forgot that the Procrastination & Stop energy Foundation was involved > > in this. > > Fredrik, if you would like to help move this all forward, great; I > would appreciate the help. You can write a page scraper to get the > data out of SF challenge accepted ;-) http://effbot.python-hosting.com/browser/stuff/sandbox/sourceforge/ contains three basic tools; getindex to grab index information from a python tracker, getpages to get "raw" xhtml versions of the item pages, and getfiles to get attached files. I'm currently downloading a tracker snapshot that could be useful for testing; it'll take a few more hours before all data are downloaded (provided that SF doesn't ban me, and I don't stumble upon more cases where a certain rhettinger has pasted binary gunk into an iso-8859-1 form ;-). $ python status.py tracker-105470 6681 items 1201 pages (17%) 104 files tracker-305470 3610 items 0 pages (0%) 0 files tracker-355470 430 items 430 pages (100%) 80 files the final step is to finish the "off-line scraper" library (a straightfor- ward ET hack), and make a snapshot archive available to interested parties. (drop me a line if you want a copy) > If you would rather contribute by collecting a list of possible > trackers along with who will maintain it, then please do. I am not > going to dive into that quite yet, but if you want to parallelize the > work needed then I would appreciate the help. that is what I expected the PSF infrastructure committee to do (I hope you're not the only one in that committee?); it's a bit disappointing to hear that we're still stuck on the SF export issue. (wasn't there someone with backchannel access to the SF data ?) > The tracker will need to be able to import the SF data somehow (probably will > require a > custom tool so the volunteers need to be aware of this), be able to > export data (so we can back it up on a regular basis so we don't have > to go through this again), and an email interface for at least > replying to tracker items. A community-wide announcement will > probably be needed to get a good group of volunteers together for any > one non-commercial tracker. > But I am not procrastinating. I don't think I have ever come off as a > procrastinator on this list and I don't think I deserve the label. I wasn't talking about individuals, I was referring to the trend where PSF moves something off a public forum, and the work just ends up going nowhere. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Fredrik Lundh wrote: >> That isn't actually worth that much: somebody would need to operate it, >> too. Mere existence doesn't help. > > why do you keep repeating this when I've already posted a link to a > company that does this for only a few bucks per month ? Because they don't do that. They won't import the Python SF data on their own: somebody has to tell them. Even then, they won't do that: somebody has to provide them with the data (if for no other reason that SF gives access only to project admins). If you are (still) talking about python-hosting.com: where on their website do they say that they will import SF data into trac when asked to? In short: somebody has to take charge, and make sure the thing is available. Maybe it is as simple as filing a support request, but somebody *still* has to do that (or else they won't guess that something is broken). I haven't heard anybody volunteering to do this specific job, working with this specific company. I don't volunteer to do that (I work with SF on issues with their tracker, but only because nobody else does, and because I believe these things need to be done). My impression of of python-hosting is that they provide the machine, and the initial setup. Then you are mostly on your own. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > That isn't actually worth that much: somebody would need to operate it, > too. Mere existence doesn't help. why do you keep repeating this when I've already posted a link to a company that does this for only a few bucks per month ? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
On 3/30/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/30/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. > > > > I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't > > see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, > > either. > > Me neither. It's too early. Same here. Please move any more comments about infrastructure to the infrastructure list (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure/). But do realize the committee is not discussing trackers yet. We are still trying to get our SF data out so that can be imported into a tracker to test its use (we need large scale bugs in it to stress it and get a feel for its search abilities, etc.). I am going to be picky about keeping the intfrastructure email traffic focued on the task at hand. Tracker discussions will be mostly ignored by me until I send out the official call for tracker suggestions with volunteer maintainers. At that point we can figure out what trackers to consider and who will be in charge of getting the test setup going. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
On 3/30/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. > > I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't > see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, > either. Me neither. It's too early. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, either. As for python-hosting.com: Somebody would *still* have to set this up, manage to import the data, manage accounts, manage to make it known etc. The actual hardware to run it on is the least of my concerns - xs4all provides that very nicely. I don't see anything that could be saved by moving things from xs4all to python-hosting. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > > I'm obviously missing something here. > > One thing that you are *obviously* missing (there might be more): > > Nobody has stepped forward and said "I make trac happen". Without > somebody (specific) saying that, all technical arguments in favour > of that software are futile. I'm quite sure I've already pointed to http://www.python-hosting.com/freetrac which could be used by the Python 3000 activity in order to evaluate Trac, and to http://www.python-hosting.com/shared_hosting plus a small fraction of the PSF budget for the Python code, if Trac is found to be good enough, and provided that the PH folks think that it's a good idea to host core development on their platform (I assume we have pretty good stats for how svn.python.org is being used). I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Martin> I believe it broke at some point, I'm pretty certain it used to > Martin> work. > > I would expect that if it broke for Guido it broke for everybody. While we > consider him to be the BDFL I suspect the accolades are lost on the SF > folks. Indeed, it broke for me as well. I didn't notice until Guido's post that this is what happened - I had assumed I had filtered out/deleted these messages. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
>> When you assign a bug/patch to me, somehow SourceForge doesn't send >> me an email. (Is this understood behavior? Can it be changed?) Martin> I believe it broke at some point, I'm pretty certain it used to Martin> work. I would expect that if it broke for Guido it broke for everybody. While we consider him to be the BDFL I suspect the accolades are lost on the SF folks. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
On 3/27/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Folks,When you assign a bug/patch to me, somehow SourceForge doesn't send mean email. (Is this understood behavior? Can it be changed?) Since Idon't monitor my SF personal page regularly any more, that means that the issue will remain in limbo forever or until someone points me toit. So if you want me to take any particular action (even rejectingsomething) please send me a separate email!Ah, glad to hear I wasn't the only one bitten by that. For a while, I thought I was going senile :-P Speaking of which, perhaps we should designate the running roundup instance on python.org as the issuetracker for py3k ? Gives us a good chance to evaluate, and if it doesn't work out, it wouldn't matter too much.-- Thomas Wouters < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
On 3/27/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote: > > When you assign a bug/patch to me, somehow SourceForge doesn't send me > > an email. (Is this understood behavior? Can it be changed?) > > I believe it broke at some point, I'm pretty certain it used to work. More reason to move away from SF ASAP. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Guido van Rossum wrote: > When you assign a bug/patch to me, somehow SourceForge doesn't send me > an email. (Is this understood behavior? Can it be changed?) I believe it broke at some point, I'm pretty certain it used to work. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch
Folks, When you assign a bug/patch to me, somehow SourceForge doesn't send me an email. (Is this understood behavior? Can it be changed?) Since I don't monitor my SF personal page regularly any more, that means that the issue will remain in limbo forever or until someone points me to it. So if you want me to take any particular action (even rejecting something) please send me a separate email! -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
