Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 16, 4:17 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Reformulating my question: > > Which GUI tool, wxPython or PyQt, is more pythonic? (Please, ignore > the license issue because I am thinking about FOSS) None of them, all three of them (you forgot PyGTK), or it doesn't matter more. Nobody with their head screwed on right hand code a UI. There are graphical UI designers for that - QtDesigner, Glade, wxFormBuilder. Notice how the VB, Delphi and .NET crowds are doing the same. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
> I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. You might look at easygui http://www.ferg.org/easygui/index.html That will give you something simple and workable. Then you can go on to more advanced stuff at your leisure. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Who cares? Everyone does their GUI in a browser these days - keep up, Dad. What we need is a pythonic front end. /troll -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
So many gui toolkits, designers none of them makes up half of Delphi... unfortunately... i try to use Boa now, easiest of all others on linux/python, but it is far away from Delphi- delphi like... Why dont those toolkits/designers come together and build a single, powerfull ide ? 2008/4/16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 11 Apr, 20:19, Rune Strand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > > > > > > > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > > > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > > > GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may > > love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa > > Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- > > Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - > > Studio,http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio- but if you're non- > > Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- > > editor. Something I consider waste of life. > > If you refer to lack of GUI designer, every toolkit usable by python - > barring Tkinter - has a GUI > designer wich can be used: > > pygtk -> Glade > pywx -> wxDesigner, rxced, ... > pyqt -> QDesigner, ... > > All can generate python code and/or generate files that can be used by > python program to > create the whole GUI with a few function calls (e.g. libglade ). > > If you refer to the lack of visual programming ala visualstudio or > JBorland, you might be right, > but I personally found that visual programming makes for very > unmaintenable code, especially if you have to > fix something and you don't have the IDE with you (and this has > happened many times to me). > Therefore I now prefer a clean separation between the GUI (described > in someting like glade files or .xrc files) > and my code. > > BTW, once learned to use the right layout managers, even building a > GUI from scratch is not such a PITA, since you > don't have to manually place each widget anymore, but only define the > structure of packers and grids and then > adjust borders and such with some -limited IME - experimentation. I > know people that prefer this approach to any GUI builder, having > developed their own little library to help reducing the boilerplate > (and in Python you can do nice things with decorators ans such ... ). > > So maybe yes, in python you might not have the fancy world of visual > programming, but neither are deprived of tools > that make your work easier. > > Ciao > - > FB > > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- İ.Bahattin Vidinli Elk-Elektronik Müh. --- iletisim bilgileri (Tercih sirasina gore): skype: bvidinli (sesli gorusme icin, www.skype.com) msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: bvidinli +90.532.7990607 +90.505.5667711 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On 11 Apr, 20:19, Rune Strand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > > > > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may > love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa > Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- > Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - > Studio,http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio- but if you're non- > Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- > editor. Something I consider waste of life. If you refer to lack of GUI designer, every toolkit usable by python - barring Tkinter - has a GUI designer wich can be used: pygtk -> Glade pywx -> wxDesigner, rxced, ... pyqt -> QDesigner, ... All can generate python code and/or generate files that can be used by python program to create the whole GUI with a few function calls (e.g. libglade ). If you refer to the lack of visual programming ala visualstudio or JBorland, you might be right, but I personally found that visual programming makes for very unmaintenable code, especially if you have to fix something and you don't have the IDE with you (and this has happened many times to me). Therefore I now prefer a clean separation between the GUI (described in someting like glade files or .xrc files) and my code. BTW, once learned to use the right layout managers, even building a GUI from scratch is not such a PITA, since you don't have to manually place each widget anymore, but only define the structure of packers and grids and then adjust borders and such with some -limited IME - experimentation. I know people that prefer this approach to any GUI builder, having developed their own little library to help reducing the boilerplate (and in Python you can do nice things with decorators ans such ... ). So maybe yes, in python you might not have the fancy world of visual programming, but neither are deprived of tools that make your work easier. Ciao - FB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Hallöchen! Joe P. Cool writes: > On 12 Apr., 03:34, baalbek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Delphi/Object Pascal simply sucks big time! > > I disagree. Delphi/Object Pascal with the VCL (Visual Component > Library) is one of the most sophisticated IDEs ever, even better > than Qt IMO. [...] I was somewhat disappointed with Delphi. I had used Turbo Pascal 15 years ago, which was one of the best IDEs at that time. It was really good. Now, we use Delphi in our institute for measurement and automation applications with GUI. It is probably possible to work equally well with Delphi, however, none of us have found the right IDE settings for this yet. Especially the behaviour after runtime errors seems to be unpredictable to us, and it is mostly sub-optimal. After having tested most of the dozens of checkboxes I could improve the situation slightly but not more. As far as the GUI composing is concerned, this is great with Delphi, especially for beginners. However, I still prefer the text-only programming in e.g. wxPython (and I'm equally fast with it) but this is a matter of taste. It's like the Word vs LaTeX or Gnuplot vs Origin thing I suppose. All of us were utterly disappointed with the new help system. This used to be a stronghold in Borland products but now, you get explanations à la "Method 'foo': do foo with the object". Super. > [...] > > Wrong. It does have a GUI builder - a very good one - and you can > do point and click creation of GUIs (nothing wrong with that) but > you can also do pure text editor code only programming with it. This shows another disadvantage of such IDEs, namely the editor question. The editor is a very personal piece of software, and I ended up using Emacs for a lot of my Delphi work. I don't consider myself a religious Emacs user -- I was really faster this way. However, this throws away a lot of the IDE's advantages. Thus, having everything in one system is only a good idea if you do Delpi-only. >> (did anyone mention waste of one's life?), and don't get me >> started on that primitive, complete utter waste of language >> called Object Pascal! > > I'm no big Pascal fan either but Object Pascal has a decent string > library and better container literals than C/C++ and Java. The > language itself is a matter of taste and I don't waste my time > discussing it. Well, there also are objective issues with it that *can* be discussed. You mentioned the string library. This is what caused a lot of headaches here. There is a *lot* of doubled functionality there because there seems to be a transition in Delphi from old to new string functions. The difference between Wide Strings and AnsiStrings is still obscure to me. In .NET Delphi, this seems to have been cleaned up, but I haven't used it. >> Python/wxPython/Glade == real programmer's toolkit >> Object Pascal/Delphi == the hobbyist/beginner's toolkit > > I'm pretty sure that there are more professional software products > written in Delphi than in wxPython. Certainly. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for further contact info.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Hallöchen! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On 11 abr, 20:31, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > I have no experience with GUI programming in Python, but from this > discussion it seems if the type of license is not an issue (for > FOSS development), PyQt is the best tool because it is: > > (a) easier to learn and intuitive for programming (this is > important to me; I am not that smart...); > > (b) more stable (although many people have said that wxPython is > as stable as any other GUI nowadays; but not more stable (wx) than > others); > > (c) more cross-platform (many people complain that they have to do > a lot of things in wxPython for the cross-platform). > > Is (a) and (c) true or not? If so, how big are these advantages? I really don't know what someone could mean with (c). (b) is probably correct, however for both toolkits this is a not critical from my observation (writing own programs and reading reports of others). (a) is a matter of taste. I, for example, ruled out Qt because I've never understood its mentality. I've read it over and over again, but I didn't grasp it. It depends on your background probably. > The great advantage of wxPython seems to be the huge community of > users and the large number of widgets/examples/applications > available. Unless the Qt people simple can shout much louder, I think both communities are equally sized, but I don't know for sure. > Reformulating my question: > > Which GUI tool, wxPython or PyQt, is more pythonic? In my opinion: none. This was important to me, too, so I looked at it closely when I chose my GUI toolkit. wxPython is traditionally considered unpythonic which is a bit unfair now. They tweaked it a little in recent years and it is reasonable pythonic now. It still has its warts, but Qt definitely has them, too. If you want to have it clean, you must climb up to another level of abstraction (Dabo, Wax etc). I wouldn't do this because it gets slower and less well supported by a large community. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for further contact info.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: How is GUI programming in Python?
Hmm.. I'm just now learning wxPython and it's very very easy to me. Perhaps because I've delved into other GUI APIs like GLUT and Windows DirectX. Programming in C++ seems a pain when coming from Python. I'll let you know more when I delve more into it. -M > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How is GUI programming in Python?> > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:17:31 -0700> To: python-list@python.org> > On 11 > abr, 20:31, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > On Apr 11, 5:01 am, > "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:> >> > > Another annoying > thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it> > > at the very > start of the project. You cannot develop something using the> > > open source > license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence> > > and buy > it.> >> > Trolltech is afraid companies will buy one licence when the task > is> > done, as oppsed to one license per developer. In a commercial setting,> > > the Qt license is not expensive. It is painful for hobbyists wanting> > to > commercialize their products.> > I have no experience with GUI programming in > Python, but from this> discussion it seems if the type of license is not an > issue (for FOSS> development), PyQt is the best tool because it is:> (a) > easier to learn and intuitive for programming (this is important> to me; I am > not that smart...);> (b) more stable (although many people have said that > wxPython is as> stable as any other GUI nowadays; but not more stable (wx) > than> others);> (c) more cross-platform (many people complain that they have > to do a> lot of things in wxPython for the cross-platform).> > Is (a) and (c) > true or not? If so, how big are these advantages?> > The great advantage of > wxPython seems to be the huge community of> users and the large number of > widgets/examples/applications available.> > Reformulating my question:> > > Which GUI tool, wxPython or PyQt, is more pythonic? (Please, ignore> the > license issue because I am thinking about FOSS)> > Laura> -- > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008-- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 15, 9:17 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 11 abr, 20:31, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 11, 5:01 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it > > > at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the > > > open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence > > > and buy it. > > > Trolltech is afraid companies will buy one licence when the task is > > done, as oppsed to one license per developer. In a commercial setting, > > the Qt license is not expensive. It is painful for hobbyists wanting > > to commercialize their products. > > I have no experience with GUI programming in Python, but from this > discussion it seems if the type of license is not an issue (for FOSS > development), PyQt is the best tool because it is: > (a) easier to learn and intuitive for programming (this is important > to me; I am not that smart...); > (b) more stable (although many people have said that wxPython is as > stable as any other GUI nowadays; but not more stable (wx) than > others); > (c) more cross-platform (many people complain that they have to do a > lot of things in wxPython for the cross-platform). > > Is (a) and (c) true or not? If so, how big are these advantages? I find the PyQt API very well designed and intuitive. You can easily write simple cross-platform apps in wxPython or PyQt, but wxPython tends to have sketchy support in some places. Trolltech tries really hard to smooth over all the platform differences, so I find it a bit cleaner. > > The great advantage of wxPython seems to be the huge community of > users and the large number of widgets/examples/applications available. > > Reformulating my question: > > Which GUI tool, wxPython or PyQt, is more pythonic? (Please, ignore > the license issue because I am thinking about FOSS) None of them are very pythonic because they are all based on C++ toolkits. (sigh) > > Laura -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On 11 abr, 20:31, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 11, 5:01 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it > > at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the > > open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence > > and buy it. > > Trolltech is afraid companies will buy one licence when the task is > done, as oppsed to one license per developer. In a commercial setting, > the Qt license is not expensive. It is painful for hobbyists wanting > to commercialize their products. I have no experience with GUI programming in Python, but from this discussion it seems if the type of license is not an issue (for FOSS development), PyQt is the best tool because it is: (a) easier to learn and intuitive for programming (this is important to me; I am not that smart...); (b) more stable (although many people have said that wxPython is as stable as any other GUI nowadays; but not more stable (wx) than others); (c) more cross-platform (many people complain that they have to do a lot of things in wxPython for the cross-platform). Is (a) and (c) true or not? If so, how big are these advantages? The great advantage of wxPython seems to be the huge community of users and the large number of widgets/examples/applications available. Reformulating my question: Which GUI tool, wxPython or PyQt, is more pythonic? (Please, ignore the license issue because I am thinking about FOSS) Laura -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On 12 Apr., 03:34, baalbek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Delphi/Object Pascal simply sucks big time! I disagree. Delphi/Object Pascal with the VCL (Visual Component Library) is one of the most sophisticated IDEs ever, even better than Qt IMO. The only drawback is that it is Windows only. > No real control of your GUI design with Delphi, just a lot of point and > click Wrong. It does have a GUI builder - a very good one - and you can do point and click creation of GUIs (nothing wrong with that) but you can also do pure text editor code only programming with it. > (did anyone mention waste of one's life?), and don't get me started on that > primitive, complete utter waste of language called Object Pascal! I'm no big Pascal fan either but Object Pascal has a decent string library and better container literals than C/C++ and Java. The language itself is a matter of taste and I don't waste my time discussing it. > Python/wxPython/Glade == real programmer's toolkit > > Object Pascal/Delphi == the hobbyist/beginner's toolkit I'm pretty sure that there are more professional software products written in Delphi than in wxPython. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:43:28 +, David Cook wrote: > On 2008-04-11, Gabriel Ibanez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why is nobody talking about pyGTK ? There are no limits with licenses >> (I think) > > The OS X port is still pretty preliminary. > > Dave Cook I often use pygtk for my *ix projects, because it has a nice license and it comes with most Linux distributions now. It's also an easy install on windows using cygwin. But I've never looked into it on Mac. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
En Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:38:22 -0300, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Gabriel Genellina wrote: >> En Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:31:42 -0300, Michel Bouwmans >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >>> Gabriel Genellina wrote: >> Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it at the very start of the project. You cannot developsomething using the open source license and later decide to switch to thecommercial licence and buy it. >>> >>> Unless you're a company with a risk of being checked forlegal software >>> etc., you can always ignore that allthough not very legal. >> >> I just ignore Qt itself. > > Then you're ignorant. What do you prefer than? Yes I am. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't like Qt, I don't like Qt license, my company doesn't use Qt and probably will never use it, and what we do prefer is not your business. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Torsten Bronger wrote: > Hallöchen! Und auch ein hallo, aus den Niederlanden! :P > Michel Bouwmans writes: > >> Gabriel Genellina wrote: >> >>> Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >>> Gabriel Genellina wrote: > Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to > choose it at the very start of the project. You cannot develop > something using the open source license and later decide to > switch to the commercial licence and buy it. Unless you're a company with a risk of being checked for legal software etc., you can always ignore that allthough not very legal. >>> >>> I just ignore Qt itself. >> >> Then you're ignorant. What do you prefer than? > > Well ... don't expect answers that you like when you suggest doing > something which is not allowed. > >> [...] >> - WxPython is terribly unstable. > > I can't confirm that. When I chose wxPython after thorough > consideration one year ago, my impression was that reports of > instability were indeed frequent but rather old. Apparently, the > situation had improved. Does your experience rely on recent use? > > Tschö, > Torsten. > About half a year/a year ago. Segfaults is simply not something I like to see when I use an API binding. For me it didn't feel that right when using it so I made the temporary switch to Tkinter. greetz MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAc3PDpaqHmOKFdQRAi3PAJ4idF7KLdOQfpfARBjA839wyKBQAQCcDIMA GX41PYj5t+ap8nEwkWRtb4Q= =LTVd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Hallöchen! Michel Bouwmans writes: > Gabriel Genellina wrote: > >> Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >> >>> Gabriel Genellina wrote: >>> Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence and buy it. >>> >>> Unless you're a company with a risk of being checked for legal >>> software etc., you can always ignore that allthough not very >>> legal. >> >> I just ignore Qt itself. > > Then you're ignorant. What do you prefer than? Well ... don't expect answers that you like when you suggest doing something which is not allowed. > [...] > - WxPython is terribly unstable. I can't confirm that. When I chose wxPython after thorough consideration one year ago, my impression was that reports of instability were indeed frequent but rather old. Apparently, the situation had improved. Does your experience rely on recent use? Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for further contact info.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gabriel Genellina wrote: > En Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:31:42 -0300, Michel Bouwmans > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >> Gabriel Genellina wrote: > >>> Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it >>> at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the >>> open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence >>> and buy it. >> >> Unless you're a company with a risk of being checked for legal software >> etc., you can always ignore that allthough not very legal. > > I just ignore Qt itself. > Then you're ignorant. What do you prefer than? - - GTK is utter bullshit, creating GUI's functional wise. :r - - WxPython is terribly unstable. (Next to that I dislike it using GTK on *NIX, but that's personal :P) - - Tkinter is ugly and is a memory hog. MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAQGjDpaqHmOKFdQRAvbQAKCFwfw2qfMPKzwLny1yaLKBb2xMFACfb/2Z 44qenzoZGgNoP1hd76Rrk6k= =eKjK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
En Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:31:42 -0300, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Gabriel Genellina wrote: >> Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it >> at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the >> open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence >> and buy it. > > Unless you're a company with a risk of being checked for legal software > etc., you can always ignore that allthough not very legal. I just ignore Qt itself. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Rune Strand wrote: > On Apr 11, 8:35 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> wxDesigner. > > Yeah, but it's like Heron of Alexandria's Aeolipile compared to the > steam engine of James Watt. > > IMHO, GUI with Python is pain, pain and utter pain. Even boring and > meaningless pain. IMHO you are a troll, troll, and utter troll. Even boring and meaningless troll. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 11, 3:29 pm, Rune Strand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 11, 8:35 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > wxDesigner. > > Yeah, but it's like Heron of Alexandria's Aeolipile compared to the > steam engine of James Watt. > > IMHO, GUI with Python is pain, pain and utter pain. Even boring and > meaningless pain. What do you prefer, then, to do GUI with? And why? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On 2008-04-11, Gabriel Ibanez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is nobody talking about pyGTK ? There are no limits with licenses (I > think) The OS X port is still pretty preliminary. Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Rune Strand wrote: > Numerous RAD' env's, fx Delphi, suggests this kind of incredibly > boring almost pre-historic, self-pestering non-sense pain is ancient, I have used Delphi for a lot of projects, as well as wxPython with the Glade Gui designer (and wxDesigner with C++ projects). Delphi/Object Pascal simply sucks big time! No real control of your GUI design with Delphi, just a lot of point and click (did anyone mention waste of one's life?), and don't get me started on that primitive, complete utter waste of language called Object Pascal! I code a lot in wxPython whenever I can (read whenever the performance is ok for the task at hand; 90% of the cases it is). Python/wxPython/Glade == real programmer's toolkit Object Pascal/Delphi == the hobbyist/beginner's toolkit Baalbek -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 11, 5:01 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it > at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the > open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence > and buy it. Trolltech is afraid companies will buy one licence when the task is done, as oppsed to one license per developer. In a commercial setting, the Qt license is not expensive. It is painful for hobbyists wanting to commercialize their products. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 12, 12:32 am, Rune Strand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > produce "what I want" without _wasting life_. But Boa is too unstable, > and does not claim otherwise, and there's no descent alternative I'm > aware of. wxFormDesigner is the best there is for wx. QtDesigner ditto for Qt. Glade ditto for GTK. To use them with Python, you should have the GUI saved in an xml resource (.xrc, .ui, or .glade respectively). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 12, 12:03 am, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Qt Designer. And creating the GUI yourself in the text editor isn't that > bad, plus you have much better control over it. If you like designing isual elements in an editor, that's fine for me! I don't, And as I don't do it all the time, I tend to forget constructional details and waste life googling. So for me it's pain without cognition. AKA waste of life. Numerous RAD' env's, fx Delphi, suggests this kind of incredibly boring almost pre-historic, self-pestering non-sense pain is ancient, and I happen to agree. It's an orthodox and monkish way of programming. Some like it that way and that's none of my business. I don't like it that way. Designing GUI in a text-editor (for me) always produce a : "good enough" and consumes a lot of life. The Boa constructor / Delphi way produce "what I want" without _wasting life_. But Boa is too unstable, and does not claim otherwise, and there's no descent alternative I'm aware of. So, GUI Python still sucks far too much. Console and web Python indeed does not. So if the Python Foundation arrange a "Descent RAD" effort, I'll happily donate $100 for starters. I think Python should be just as easily GUI'able as it is Console'able. Python is soon 20 years old! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Hello all ! More fire .. Why is nobody talking about pyGTK ? There are no limits with licenses (I think) If we work on Ubuntu or Fedora, is there any reason to give GTK away and develop on Qt ? - Original Message - From: "Stef Mientki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: How is GUI programming in Python? > Rune Strand wrote: >> On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ... >> >>> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? >>> I'm curious to hear opinions on that. >>> >> >> GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may >> love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa >> Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- >> Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - >> Studio, http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio - but if you're non- >> Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- >> editor. Something I consider waste of life. >> >> > Although not as simple as Delphi, > wxPython is still quit simple: > > GUI = """ > self.Splitter_Plots,SplitterVer > self.Panel ,PanelVer, 010 > self.Panel_Top ,PanelHor, 11 > label1 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal1" > label2 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal2" > self.Panel_X ,wx.Panel, 11 > self.Panel_Bottom ,PanelHor > label11 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal1b" > label12 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal2b" > Panel_B ,wx.Panel > Button_1 ,wx.Button ,label = "Test" > Button_2 ,wx.Button ,label = "Test2", pos = (100,0) > """ > exec ( Create_wxGUI ( GUI ) ) > > cheers, > Stef > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rune Strand wrote: > On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? >> I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may > love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa > Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- > Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - > Studio, http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio - but if you're non- > Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- > editor. Something I consider waste of life. Qt Designer. And creating the GUI yourself in the text editor isn't that bad, plus you have much better control over it. MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/+BIDpaqHmOKFdQRAskNAKCDvMAK2MQCurxJ1zopibYOzhUpNgCgq7sn NxW9nWKU9nDrybd2EoxX51w= =okW6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Rune Strand wrote: > On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? >> I'm curious to hear opinions on that. >> > > GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may > love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa > Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- > Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - > Studio, http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio - but if you're non- > Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- > editor. Something I consider waste of life. > > Although not as simple as Delphi, wxPython is still quit simple: GUI = """ self.Splitter_Plots,SplitterVer self.Panel ,PanelVer, 010 self.Panel_Top ,PanelHor, 11 label1 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal1" label2 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal2" self.Panel_X ,wx.Panel, 11 self.Panel_Bottom ,PanelHor label11 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal1b" label12 ,wx.StaticText ,label = "Signal2b" Panel_B ,wx.Panel Button_1 ,wx.Button ,label = "Test" Button_2 ,wx.Button ,label = "Test2", pos = (100,0) """ exec ( Create_wxGUI ( GUI ) ) cheers, Stef -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Apr 11, 8:35 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wxDesigner. IMHO, wxFormBuilder is better. http://wxformbuilder.org/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/6l8wp4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Apr 11, 8:35 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wxDesigner. Yeah, but it's like Heron of Alexandria's Aeolipile compared to the steam engine of James Watt. IMHO, GUI with Python is pain, pain and utter pain. Even boring and meaningless pain. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Rune Strand wrote: > On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? >> I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may > love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa > Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- > Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - > Studio, http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio - but if you're non- > Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- > editor. Something I consider waste of life. > wxDesigner. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 10, 3:54 am, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. GUI-programming in Python is a neanderthal experience. What one may love with console scripts is turned upside-down. Projects like Boa Constructor seemed to be a remedy, but is not developed. The Iron- Pythonistas has a very promising RAD GUI-tool in the IronPython - Studio, http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio - but if you're non- Iron, only sorrow is left - unless you fancy creating GUI in a text- editor. Something I consider waste of life. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Steve Holden wrote: > Michel Bouwmans wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Mike Driscoll wrote: >> >>> On Apr 10, 12:05 pm, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Rubin wrote: > Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it >> further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but >> nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app >> that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that >> going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few >> years >> ago. I imagine it will be similar. >> ... >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, which > comes with python. It is somewhat rudimentary and the widgets that > come with it don't look so great. But if you just want to put up > GUI's with basic functionality and not much glitz, it is ok for most > such purposes. > out how to use I don't quite agree with you on this. Tkinter may be easy because it is available by standard in Python, but that's about it in my opinion. The API, look and performance hit is horrible. You're much better of with PyQt4 which makes the job really simple. MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/kjhDpaqHmOKFdQRAj+kAJ0d3aHqpv/mh7kSqtDqUFXtJsxi1gCfU5UP 2Ygw9ttRIYX+ioMyBVUNsVo= =stR5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> I see a lot of people recommend using pyQt, but they never mention the >>> controversy that surrounds its licensing. There have been many posts >>> on the subject already, but if the OP ever decides to sell anything >>> they create, I've heard that QT's licensing is kind of squirrelly. >>> Maybe this has been straightened out? >>> >>> I looked at the website and found it fairly confusing. And don't you >>> need to download QT itself? >>> >>> Mike >> >> Yeah, the licensing of Qt is either be open-source (under one of the >> Qt-exception licenses licenses so no exclusivity for the GPL anymore) or >> pay for the commercial version. So yes, if you would like to sell it as >> closed-source software you will need to buy the commercial version of Qt >> and PyQt. In other words: you will have to pay twice. Don't forget that >> you can also sell open-source software, so you don't have to pay. ;) >> > I don't think PyQt has any licensing restrictions to speak of, only the > underlying Qt platform (though it's a while since I looked). > > regards > Steve Unfortunately, from the PyQt website's FAQ: Do I need the commercial version of PyQt? The easiest way to answer this is to ask "Am I using the commercial edition of Qt?". If so then you also need the commercial version of PyQt. If you are using the GPL version of Qt, then you only need the GPL version of PyQt. MFB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gabriel Genellina wrote: > Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it > at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the > open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence > and buy it. > Unless you're a company with a risk of being checked for legal software etc., you can always ignore that allthough not very legal. MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/3ZSDpaqHmOKFdQRAsupAKCN292aFK7V+AHXeQu/rzac7WAnnACgq+Al 2LzsfA5No1PTOgIc2wdYjf0= =7JyM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Phil Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Installing Pyqt on windows involves a couple "click to install" EXEs. On > > Linux, one uses yum or apt. Only on Mac is it marginally a bit harder. > > Actually, on Windows it's only one .exe as the PyQt GPL binary installer > includes Qt and all it's tools (and the eric IDE, and PyQwt). Generally I prefer to minimize the number of installs, and especially minimize the number of binary installs. And my experience with yum and apt has generally been dependency hell, especially when installing from sources. But anyway, I consider zero installs to be far superior to any number greater than zero. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Friday 11 April 2008, David Cook wrote: > On 2008-04-10, Paul Rubin wrote: > > Well, it's a trade-off, the person wanted a cross platform gui and the > > #1 hurdle for something like PyQt4 is getting it to work on each of > > the platforms you desire to run on. > > Installing Pyqt on windows involves a couple "click to install" EXEs. On > Linux, one uses yum or apt. Only on Mac is it marginally a bit harder. > > Dave Cook Actually, on Windows it's only one .exe as the PyQt GPL binary installer includes Qt and all it's tools (and the eric IDE, and PyQwt). Phil -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2008-04-10, Paul Rubin wrote: > Well, it's a trade-off, the person wanted a cross platform gui and the > #1 hurdle for something like PyQt4 is getting it to work on each of > the platforms you desire to run on. Installing Pyqt on windows involves a couple "click to install" EXEs. On Linux, one uses yum or apt. Only on Mac is it marginally a bit harder. Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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En Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:01:43 -0300, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Michel Bouwmans wrote: >> >> Mike Driscoll wrote: >>> I see a lot of people recommend using pyQt, but they never mention the >>> controversy that surrounds its licensing. There have been many posts >>> on the subject already, but if the OP ever decides to sell anything >>> they create, I've heard that QT's licensing is kind of squirrelly. >>> Maybe this has been straightened out? >>> >>> I looked at the website and found it fairly confusing. And don't you >>> need to download QT itself? >>> >>> Mike >> >> Yeah, the licensing of Qt is either be open-source (under one of the >> Qt-exception licenses licenses so no exclusivity for the GPL anymore) or >> pay for the commercial version. So yes, if you would like to sell it as >> closed-source software you will need to buy the commercial version of Qt >> and PyQt. In other words: you will have to pay twice. Don't forget that >> you >> can also sell open-source software, so you don't have to pay. ;) >> > I don't think PyQt has any licensing restrictions to speak of, only the > underlying Qt platform (though it's a while since I looked). Yes, you have to buy separate licenses for both PyQt and Qt. From the PyQt home page: """PyQt v4 is licensed under the GNU GPL and under a commercial license on all platforms. [...] You can purchase the commercial version of PyQt here. PyQt does not include a copy of Qt. You must obtain a correctly licensed copy of Qt yourself.""" Another annoying thing with the Qt license is that you have to choose it at the very start of the project. You cannot develop something using the open source license and later decide to switch to the commercial licence and buy it. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Michel Bouwmans wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mike Driscoll wrote: > >> On Apr 10, 12:05 pm, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Rubin wrote: Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. > ... > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, which comes with python. It is somewhat rudimentary and the widgets that come with it don't look so great. But if you just want to put up GUI's with basic functionality and not much glitz, it is ok for most such purposes. out how to use >>> I don't quite agree with you on this. Tkinter may be easy because it is >>> available by standard in Python, but that's about it in my opinion. The >>> API, look and performance hit is horrible. You're much better of with >>> PyQt4 which makes the job really simple. >>> >>> MFB >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iD8DBQFH/kjhDpaqHmOKFdQRAj+kAJ0d3aHqpv/mh7kSqtDqUFXtJsxi1gCfU5UP >>> 2Ygw9ttRIYX+ioMyBVUNsVo= >>> =stR5 >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> I see a lot of people recommend using pyQt, but they never mention the >> controversy that surrounds its licensing. There have been many posts >> on the subject already, but if the OP ever decides to sell anything >> they create, I've heard that QT's licensing is kind of squirrelly. >> Maybe this has been straightened out? >> >> I looked at the website and found it fairly confusing. And don't you >> need to download QT itself? >> >> Mike > > Yeah, the licensing of Qt is either be open-source (under one of the > Qt-exception licenses licenses so no exclusivity for the GPL anymore) or > pay for the commercial version. So yes, if you would like to sell it as > closed-source software you will need to buy the commercial version of Qt > and PyQt. In other words: you will have to pay twice. Don't forget that you > can also sell open-source software, so you don't have to pay. ;) > I don't think PyQt has any licensing restrictions to speak of, only the underlying Qt platform (though it's a while since I looked). regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > Chris Stewart > [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are looking for something "really simple", my vote still goes to PythonCard. It has been around a looong time, very mature, stable, and comes with sufficient widgets to get most daily job done. True, it hasn't been updated to include some of the newer widgets but there are plenty in the package already. The danger is that once you get hooked in using Pythoncard, it's hard to leave because everything else looks s "non really simple". I've looked at every other Python GUI package. In my humble opinion, none came close to being "really simple" than Pythoncard. It's too bad the more capable people in the Python community doesn't pick up the ball and continue to run with it. For me, I am now migrating away from doing desktop GUI apps into browse based applications with a Python backend, and qooxdoo frontend. So, for me, Pythoncard will be my last desktop GUI tool package. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Driscoll wrote: > On Apr 10, 12:05 pm, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Paul Rubin wrote: >> > Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it >> >> further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but >> >> nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app >> >> that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that >> >> going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years >> >> ago. I imagine it will be similar. >> >> ... >> >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? >> >> > If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, which >> > comes with python. It is somewhat rudimentary and the widgets that >> > come with it don't look so great. But if you just want to put up >> > GUI's with basic functionality and not much glitz, it is ok for most >> > such purposes. >> > out how to use >> >> I don't quite agree with you on this. Tkinter may be easy because it is >> available by standard in Python, but that's about it in my opinion. The >> API, look and performance hit is horrible. You're much better of with >> PyQt4 which makes the job really simple. >> >> MFB >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFH/kjhDpaqHmOKFdQRAj+kAJ0d3aHqpv/mh7kSqtDqUFXtJsxi1gCfU5UP >> 2Ygw9ttRIYX+ioMyBVUNsVo= >> =stR5 >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > I see a lot of people recommend using pyQt, but they never mention the > controversy that surrounds its licensing. There have been many posts > on the subject already, but if the OP ever decides to sell anything > they create, I've heard that QT's licensing is kind of squirrelly. > Maybe this has been straightened out? > > I looked at the website and found it fairly confusing. And don't you > need to download QT itself? > > Mike Yeah, the licensing of Qt is either be open-source (under one of the Qt-exception licenses licenses so no exclusivity for the GPL anymore) or pay for the commercial version. So yes, if you would like to sell it as closed-source software you will need to buy the commercial version of Qt and PyQt. In other words: you will have to pay twice. Don't forget that you can also sell open-source software, so you don't have to pay. ;) MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/mMBDpaqHmOKFdQRAiAkAJ0XoysACvcaxLWwvYauFlgEEaGLVwCfdz7g XMUDfEPLX6RfLV25viLB9aA= =d2ms -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Chris Stewart wrote: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in > it further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs > but nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple > GUI app that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How > painful is that going to be? I've built and am maintaining a not-so-simple-anymore cross platform GUI application using wxPython (running in GNU/Linux (GTK+) and Windows (XP/Vista)). It integrates well since wxPython uses native widgets. The only problems I face are minor looks problems with some widgets, e. g. tooltips with line breaks or list controls with custom font. Custom widgets work very well. Windows fonts BTW are a real pain since they have almost no unicode characters, compared to today's GNU/Linux distributions. Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #383: Your processor has taken a ride to Heaven's Gate on the UFO behind Hale-Bopp's comet. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 10, 12:05 pm, Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Paul Rubin wrote: > > Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > >> further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > >> nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > >> that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > >> going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > >> ago. I imagine it will be similar. > >> ... > >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > > > If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, which > > comes with python. It is somewhat rudimentary and the widgets that > > come with it don't look so great. But if you just want to put up > > GUI's with basic functionality and not much glitz, it is ok for most > > such purposes. > > out how to use > > I don't quite agree with you on this. Tkinter may be easy because it is > available by standard in Python, but that's about it in my opinion. The > API, look and performance hit is horrible. You're much better of with PyQt4 > which makes the job really simple. > > MFB > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFH/kjhDpaqHmOKFdQRAj+kAJ0d3aHqpv/mh7kSqtDqUFXtJsxi1gCfU5UP > 2Ygw9ttRIYX+ioMyBVUNsVo= > =stR5 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- I see a lot of people recommend using pyQt, but they never mention the controversy that surrounds its licensing. There have been many posts on the subject already, but if the OP ever decides to sell anything they create, I've heard that QT's licensing is kind of squirrelly. Maybe this has been straightened out? I looked at the website and found it fairly confusing. And don't you need to download QT itself? Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Michel Bouwmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, > I don't quite agree with you on this. Tkinter may be easy because it is > available by standard in Python, but that's about it in my opinion. The > API, look and performance hit is horrible. You're much better of with PyQt4 > which makes the job really simple. Well, it's a trade-off, the person wanted a cross platform gui and the #1 hurdle for something like PyQt4 is getting it to work on each of the platforms you desire to run on. With tkinter, that has already been done. I can walk up to any Linux, Windows, Mac, etc. box where Python is installed and put up a simple tkinter gui in under a minute. With anything else, I'm in installation hell for some indeterminate amount of time before I can put up "hello world", especially if I insist on installing from source (the alternative is accepting binaries from yet another third party, like handing out more and more keys to your house). I agree with you that tkinter gui's don't look as slick as PyQt4 etc. Whether that's important depends on your application's requirements. For what I've done with it so far, it's been good enough. I haven't compared the Python API's but have used some other gui toolokts on other platforms and tkinter seems comparable to the others in ease of use. I hadn't really thought about performance for something like a gui, though I guess it could matter for certain types of apps. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Rubin wrote: > Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it >> further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but >> nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app >> that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that >> going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years >> ago. I imagine it will be similar. >> ... >> Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > > If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, which > comes with python. It is somewhat rudimentary and the widgets that > come with it don't look so great. But if you just want to put up > GUI's with basic functionality and not much glitz, it is ok for most > such purposes. > out how to use I don't quite agree with you on this. Tkinter may be easy because it is available by standard in Python, but that's about it in my opinion. The API, look and performance hit is horrible. You're much better of with PyQt4 which makes the job really simple. MFB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/kjhDpaqHmOKFdQRAj+kAJ0d3aHqpv/mh7kSqtDqUFXtJsxi1gCfU5UP 2Ygw9ttRIYX+ioMyBVUNsVo= =stR5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. I've found wxPython to be the best all-around choice: it looks right on Mac, Win and Gtk/Linux, as it uses native controls. The one downside is that its C++ roots show, and make for somewhat ugly and unPythonic code. I've been using the Dabo framework (http://dabodev.com) for over a year now, and it's great. They use wxPython for the UI, but wrap it in a consistent and intelligent layer that makes development much simpler and straightforward. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On 2008-04-10, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? With wxpython and pyqt, it can be relatively painless. You can often just copy your code directly from one OS to the other and run it, and py2exe makes it easy to distribute python apps to windows users. I haven't tried packaging on OS X (with py2app?). > I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. Yes, the broad principles (event driven, single-threaded event loop) are pretty much the same. Note, if you really like Swing, you can use it from Jython. Your app would install and look like any other Java app to users (Jython is just another jar in your distribution), for good or ill. > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. We use wxPython at work because of the more liberal license. It's very capable and works well for us. However, for my own projects, I've switched to pyqt, which offers more complete application help (e.g. things like Actions) and uses MVC from the ground up rather than as an afterthought. I also find the pyqt API cleaner and more consistent; some aspects of wxpython still seem clunky to me. And the auto-completion solution offered on the wxPython wiki doesn't work on Mac, which pretty much killed it for my project. Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 9, 9:54 pm, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > Chris Stewart > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've enjoyed using wxPython. Mature, active, native controls, lots o' widgets, killer demo, great community, cross platform (with some tweaking sometimes). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 10, 12:35 pm, Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 9, 8:54 pm, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I've always had > an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > > ago. I imagine it will be similar. > > Since it's Python, it will be a lot less painless than anything > else. :) > > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. > > Tkinter is the easiest for little apps, but when I'm doing anything > for real, I use PyQt. > > > > > Chris Stewart > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since the OP has Swing programming experience, what about Jython (http://www.jython.org/Project/index.html)? "Jython is an implementation of the high-level, dynamic, object- oriented language Python written in 100% Pure Java, and seamlessly integrated with the Java platform. It thus allows you to run Python on any Java platform." -- Kam-Hung Soh http://kamhungsoh.com/blog";>Software Salariman -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Apr 9, 8:54 pm, Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. Since it's Python, it will be a lot less painless than anything else. :) > > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? > I'm curious to hear opinions on that. Tkinter is the easiest for little apps, but when I'm doing anything for real, I use PyQt. > > Chris Stewart > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
The pain level all depends on how you go about it. If you try to builda GUI from scratch, it will be very painful. If you use a toolkit, thenit's pretty close to working with Swing. WxPython is the only one I've used, so Ican't give you a "best one". I can say that going from Swing to wxPython wasn't too difficult. Here is the python wiki page with a bunch of the different ways to makecross-platform GUIs, if you want to just look at a couple. http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming - Original Message From: Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: python-list@python.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 9:54:33 PM Subject: How is GUI programming in Python? I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years ago. I imagine it will be similar. Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? I'm curious to hear opinions on that. Chris Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
Chris Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it > further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but > nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app > that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that > going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years > ago. I imagine it will be similar. > ... > Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? If by "best" you mean "easiest", that is probably tkinter, which comes with python. It is somewhat rudimentary and the widgets that come with it don't look so great. But if you just want to put up GUI's with basic functionality and not much glitz, it is ok for most such purposes. out how to use -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How is GUI programming in Python?
I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years ago. I imagine it will be similar. Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? I'm curious to hear opinions on that. Chris Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
