Re: Python licence again

2005-04-27 Thread Christos Georgiou
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:26:41 +1000, you wrote:

[snip]

Yup, pesky furriners, can't spell 'Merican prop'ly like God intended;
they shouldn't be allowed on the net, sheriff should run 'em right out
o' the county ...

Sheriff is not available, for further info pls ask for R. Marley.

I don't understand the connection with Bob Marley; pls enlighten me.

He shot the sheriff.

 and heading

Would that be like heading a soccer ball?

Or heeding the sucker call (like I just did?)

What makes you think you were heeding a sucker call?

Perhaps it's just bad wordplay from me.  I assumed you knew that
'heading' was a misspelt 'heeding' but you playingly used literally
heading in your reply.  For those who didn't get understand that,
though, I offered the correct heeding and then rhyming with soccer
ball, I presented myself as the sucker who offered the correct spelling
when _it was not needed_.

So I didn't think I was heeding a sucker call at any moment, I just
wrote that as a pun.  There were no indirect accusations about your
post, if that is what you meant.

the google
suggestions that probably looked like didn't you mean : Python License

You might find, were you to try it, that it makes no such suggestions.

Google isn't what it used to be when I was 6 yrs old.

That would make you, what, say 10 years old now?

When I was 6 yrs old, Google was inexistant.  It isn't anymore, so my
assertion is correct (even though it's useless :)  I'm 33 btw.
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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-25 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
has [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  licence, practice = noun
  license, practise = verb

Tick

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Re: rudeness was: Python licence again

2005-04-24 Thread Michael Hoffman
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I started to read the postings on this list and was dismayed
 at the depth of rudeness on here.
I saw no evidence of rudeness whatsoever. Well, with the possible 
exception of some posters calling others names like rude.
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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-24 Thread John J. Lee
Will McGugan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Peter Hansen wrote:
  John J. Lee wrote:
 
  I will never pronounce thorough 'thurrow', though.  One must draw a
  line.
  How *do* you pronounce it?  Thurrow seems to match
  how I say the word, along with everyone else I've
  ever met (until now?).
 
 I would pronounce it like 'thurra', since I'm Scottish.

Me too (England).


 It always
 makes me cringe when Americans pronounce 'Edinburgh' as 'edin-burrow'
 rather then 'edin-burra'.

Edin-br.  (There's a short vowel (a schwa?) on the end there that I
missed off because there's no unambigous ASCII symbol for it... But
it's the same vowel a child uses - at least in England! - to say r
when running through the alphabet, before they've learned the names
(ay bee cee dee) for the letters.)


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Rudeness on this list [Re: rudeness was: Python licence again]

2005-04-24 Thread François Pinard
[Michael Hoffman]
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 I started to read the postings on this list and was dismayed at the
 depth of rudeness on here.

 I saw no evidence of rudeness whatsoever. [...]

It may be related to cultural differences, who knows.  Some people are
sensible to rude behaviour or language, while others just do not notice:
I might guess they grew and learned to live in such environments.

As seen from here, the Python mailing list quality has been degrading
significantly for the last half-year or so.  It is a bit unavoidable as
Python gains popularity and attracts people of all obediences.

One helping attitude, for everybody, would be to remember that we have
readers from everywhere on this planet, and that softness and politeness
is probably a good common denominator for people to be happy on the
average.  If you happen to live in a harsh country, best is to become
conscious of the difference, and try to respect others.

Do you remember those years when Tim Peters was our effective softening
device?  The list was then one of the nicest place one can be.  After
a few polite replies, abusive people were generally ignored by all
members, and even institutional flamers were getting discouraged by the
lack of fuel, eventually leaving for elswehere.  Nice times indeed! :-).

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Re: Rudeness on this list [Re: rudeness was: Python licence again]

2005-04-24 Thread James Stroud
On Sunday 24 April 2005 06:59 am, so sayeth François Pinard:
 As seen from here, the Python mailing list quality has been degrading
 significantly for the last half-year or so.

That's funny. That's exactly as long as I've been on this list. I wonder if 
the correlation is causal?

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Re: Rudeness on this list [Re: rudeness was: Python licence again]

2005-04-24 Thread Ivan Van Laningham
Hi All--

James Stroud wrote:
 
 On Sunday 24 April 2005 06:59 am, so sayeth François Pinard:
  As seen from here, the Python mailing list quality has been degrading
  significantly for the last half-year or so.
 
 That's funny. That's exactly as long as I've been on this list. I wonder if
 the correlation is causal?


Nope.  I've been MIA 4 years, and the only difference I can see between
now and four years ago is that Tim, Guido, Barry  a couple of others
aren't here or don't participate very much.  It was a pretty nice list
then, it's a pretty nice list now, so I'm afraid I must disagree with
François.

Oh, and Gordon.  Don't see Gordon around.  Where's he?

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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread Robert Kern
John Machin wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:26:19 -0700, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

While you can, sort of, and people have already pointed out the 
appropriate web page to you, I ask that you *don't* use the PSF License. 
The PSF License uses proper nouns that you will have to change[1].

and don't forget the pronouns  ... 

Seen in a too-hasty copy-paste-edit of the BSD licence:
IN NO EVENT SHALL person's name suppressed OR ITS CONTRIBUTORS BE
LIABLE ...
Yes, I think I've been guilty of that from time to time, too.
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rudeness was: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread Michael . Coll-Barth
Laszlo,

 Is it something like 'center' or 'color' for Americans and 'centre' or
'colour' for British people?

Yes, exactly.  

 (Sorry to be offtopic)

No need to apologize.  I started to read the postings on this list and was
dismayed at the depth of rudeness on here.  I thought that pythonistas might
be a little more patient/tolerant.  I guess I was wrong.  I understood
exactly what you wanted to say, I just didn't have an answer.  I did find it
amusing that the person who incorrectly corrected you, was in fact,
incorrect.  

I wonder, how many others out there find that the documentation and
references materials seem to be written for someone that already knows the
answer, but are indecipherable, at times, for those that don't know the
answer.

thanks,
Michael
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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-04-22, Will McGugan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How *do* you pronounce it?  Thurrow seems to match
 how I say the word, along with everyone else I've
 ever met (until now?).

 I would pronounce it like 'thurra', since I'm Scottish. It always makes 
 me cringe when Americans pronounce 'Edinburgh' as 'edin-burrow' rather 
 then 'edin-burra'.

The city in Pennsylvania is spelled Edinboro, so there are a
few people over here with a decent excuse.

And it could be worse, we could call it edun-burg.

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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread Robert Kern
Laszlo Zsolt Nagy wrote:
 Hi All!
I know there has been a post about Python licencing but I have different 
questions. I tried to Google for Python Licence and Python Licencing 
but I could not find the answer.
Is there a place where I can ready about Python licencing? (A FAQ 
maybe?) I really need to know the details of the licence, but not in the 
lawyer's language. Just simple questions:

- How put a software under the Python licence?
While you can, sort of, and people have already pointed out the 
appropriate web page to you, I ask that you *don't* use the PSF License. 
The PSF License uses proper nouns that you will have to change[1]. When 
you are done, it will no longer be the PSF License. It is my opinion 
that this kind of variant proliferation is a nuisance.

Instead, you could use other well-accepted licenses that are broadly 
similar to the PSF License.

http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/afl-2.1.php
[1] For example: 1. This LICENSE AGREEMENT is between the Python 
Software Foundation (PSF), and the Individual or Organization 
(Licensee) accessing and otherwise using this software (Python) in 
source or binary form and its associated documentation.

You are neither the PSF nor is your software Python.
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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread John Machin
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:26:19 -0700, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


While you can, sort of, and people have already pointed out the 
appropriate web page to you, I ask that you *don't* use the PSF License. 
The PSF License uses proper nouns that you will have to change[1].

and don't forget the pronouns  ... 

Seen in a too-hasty copy-paste-edit of the BSD licence:

IN NO EVENT SHALL person's name suppressed OR ITS CONTRIBUTORS BE
LIABLE ...



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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread has
John J. Lee wrote:
 Yes.  ISTR that licence is a British English spelling, though my
 British brain has been thoroughly contaminated by US spellings and
 usage by now.

Oh, it only gets worse: a couple years on the illiterate intarweb and
even basics like its and it's become a major struggle. ;p

 (Or are they like practice and practise, which (can)
 mean subtly different things in British English

Yep, we aim to confuse:

licence, practice = noun
license, practise = verb

/grammar geek

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Re: Python licence again

2005-04-23 Thread Tim Tyler
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 try spelling license correctly next time and heading the google
 suggestions that probably looked like didn't you mean : Python License

How do you spell license correctly?
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