Re: Nested structures question

[Jean-Michel Pichavant]

Physics Python wrote:

Hello,

I am teaching myself python using the book: Python Programming for Absolute 
Beginners, 2nd edition by Michael Dawson. I am using python 2.7.1.

In chapter 3 we are learning to use structures (while, if, elif) to write a 
program that has the user guess a number between 1 and 100.

Here is the code for the baseline program:

  

[snip]

here is an example of code using a for loop, which is always better than 
a while loop, when applicable of course.
It uses the for... else... statement which is rather strange at first 
glance but has some uses, it's always good to know it exists.


http://paste.pocoo.org/show/319931/

JM
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Re: Nested structures question

[Tim Harig]

On 2011-01-12, Physics Python physicsandpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
 while guess != the_number:

=
 while tries  7:
 if guess  the_number:
 print Lower...
 else:
 print Higher...
 guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
 tries += 1
=

Think about what happens when this nested loop exits because tries  7?  It
returns to the outer loop whether or not the actual number was guessed
correctly.  There is no real need for this loop.
 
 print You guessed it! The number was: , the_number
 print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n

Note that the outer loop ends here without any test to see whether or not
the number was actually guested and there is *nothing* that stops this
outer loop, so it will spin forever.

 print Wow, you suck at this, you should be able to solve this in 7 attempts 
 or less

 raw_input(Press Enter to exit the program.)

This is never reached.
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Re: Nested structures question

[Physics Python]

Thanks,

Is this an indentation problem then?
How do I update the sentinel within the secondary while loop. I am trying to 
avoid using breaks by the way, as I can program this example using breaks:

--- start---
import random
print \tWelcome to 'Guess my number'!:
print \nI'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100.
print Try to guess it in as few attempts as possible.\n

the_number = random.randrange(1,101)

tries = 0

while True:
guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
tries += 1
if guess  the_number:
print Lower...
elif guess  the_number:
print Higher...
else:
print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
break
if  tries == 7:
print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!
break

raw_input (\n\nPress the enter key to exit.)

--- end ---

But the book states that this can be done without needing to use breaks.

Thanks!
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RE: Nested structures question

[Jason Staudenmayer]

Return False instead of break should work

else:
 print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
 print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
 return False

Jason
 
 
 
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 Thanks,
 
 Is this an indentation problem then?
 How do I update the sentinel within the secondary while loop. 
 I am trying to avoid using breaks by the way, as I can 
 program this example using breaks:
 
 --- start---
 import random
 print \tWelcome to 'Guess my number'!:
 print \nI'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100.
 print Try to guess it in as few attempts as possible.\n
 
 the_number = random.randrange(1,101)
 
 tries = 0
 
 while True:
 guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
 tries += 1
 if guess  the_number:
 print Lower...
 elif guess  the_number:
 print Higher...
 else:
 print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
 print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
 break
 if  tries == 7:
 print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!
 break
 
 raw_input (\n\nPress the enter key to exit.)
 
 --- end ---
 
 But the book states that this can be done without needing to 
 use breaks.
 
 Thanks!
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Re: Nested structures question

[Tim Harig]

[wrapped lines to 80 characters per RFC 1855]
On 2011-01-12, Physics Python physicsandpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is this an indentation problem then?

That depends how you look at it.  I was not clear from your code exactly
where you wanted to handle things.

 How do I update the sentinel within the secondary while loop. I am
 trying to avoid using breaks by the way, as I can program this example
 using breaks:

You don't need breaks.

 import random
 print \tWelcome to 'Guess my number'!:
 print \nI'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100.
 print Try to guess it in as few attempts as possible.\n

 the_number = random.randrange(1,101)

 tries = 0

 while True:

while can be used to test for more then a single condition at a time using
and/or chains.

 else:
 print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
 print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
 break
 if  tries == 7:
 print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!
 break

Both of these tests can be performed as part of the loop itself.  The end
results can therefore be tested and handled outside of the loop without
using breaks.
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Re: Nested structures question

[Tim Harig]

On 2011-01-12, Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com wrote:
 Return False instead of break should work

 else:
  print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
  print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
  return False

Since he isn't in a function, that isn't any good.  He would import sys and
use sys.exit() but that rather defeats the purpose of having a single entry
and exit point to the loop.
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Re: Nested structures question

[Tim Harig]

In case you still need help:

- # Set the initial values
- the_number= random.randrange(100) + 1
- tries = 0
- guess = None
-
- # Guessing loop
- while guess != the_number and tries  7:
- guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
- if guess  the_number:
- print Lower...
- elif guess  the_number:
- print Higher...
- tries += 1
- 
- # did the user guess correctly to make too many guesses?
- if guess == the_number:
- print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
- print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
- else:
- print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!
- 
- raw_input(Press Enter to exit the program.)
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Re: Nested structures question

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looping = True
while looping:
guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
tries += 1
if guess  the_number:
print Lower...
elif guess  the_number:
print Higher...
else:
print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
break

if  tries = 7:
print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!
looping = False


# Alternatively while learing while looping use the continue statement

looping = True
while looping:
guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
tries += 1

if guess  the_number:
print Lower...
elif guess  the_number:
print Higher...
else:
print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
break

if  tries  7:
continue

print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!
looping = False




# In a while loop I recommend to NOT end loops using the
# conditional test of == but instead use , , = or = or !=.
# In a complex while loop the exit condition may be skipped
# by mistake and you'll loop forever.

# In while loops I get less bugs by putting the incrementor as
# the last statement in the while block;
# this helps follow precedence like range(7) is - zero to 6
# as well as index 0 in a list is the first item. However
# while index: where index == 0 will exit the loop before
# it even starts as 0 == False (0 is not False but equals False)

# Use the while loop for looping an undetermined number of
# iterations or conditional iterations.
# Use for loops for an explicid number of iterations.

for tries in range(7):
guess = int(raw_input(Take a guess: ))
if guess  the_number:
print Lower...
elif guess  the_number:
print Higher...
else:
print You guessed it! The number was, the_number
print And it only took you, tries, tries!\n
break
if  tries = 7:
print Wow you suck! It should only take at most 7 tries!

# I'm guessing the chapter's test is to see if you remember the for
loop.

# start using print() to get into a good habit for Python 3.0+


# I haven't seen the book but often one part of while that is
# left off in tutorials is the else statement.
while condition:
block
else:
block

# you can use else for when the condition never happens.
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