Re: Revision Control
Funny how everybody is speaking about the ease of merging. It is the very least feature I have ever needed from source code control. Most version control system are really brilliant in creating a version mess of intertwined branches, but off course I use version control to *PREVENT* such a mess. So I really would like better linking possibilities to other projects or standard libraries. That said: - MS-Source-Safe did a great job here. But I stopped using it after version 6.0. The linking feature of VSS was great, but the stability of VSS was awful. - CVS is a hell. Only administrators seem to be able to create a link. - Linking is subversion is not exactly user-friendly, but it kinda works. See http://www.howtoforge.org/set-up-a-modular-svn-repository-for-php-websites for how I managed to do so with PHP. I don't have a real Python library yet, but I would use it the same way. Also, the latest subversion should support relative links. - I have no experience with mercurial. - I searched through the documentation of git and bzr, and could not find much. If anyone has more info on linking with Mercurial, bzr or git, please share it! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
Dikkie Dik wrote: Funny how everybody is speaking about the ease of merging. It is the very least feature I have ever needed from source code control Ah yes, but with a distributed VCS, merging becomes _much_ more common. The model is developers pull, develop (checking in frequently), and merge back. Most checkins to the central repository _are_ merges. That is why everyone talks about merge speed. --Scott David Daniels scott.dani...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
FWIW, Bazaar and Mercurial both have about half a dozen C modules. (Most of Bazaar's are Pyrex, though, not straight C.) Thanks for the update -- it's been about 6 months since I played much with Bazaar. Hopefully these C module help with some of the speed issues that plagued bzr in my past experimentations. The next release of Mercurial will add support for running without them. (Bazaar already supports that, of course.) Wonderful to hear...I'd love to be able to install mercurial on my web-host's machine, but it's currently not readily possible. A pure-python implementation (or at least fallback) will give me this option. Thanks! -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
In article 499d5f0e$0$444$bf494...@news.tele2.nl, Dikkie Dik dik...@nospam.org wrote: Funny how everybody is speaking about the ease of merging. It is the very least feature I have ever needed from source code control. It depends on what you're doing. In a big commercial project, sometimes you don't have the luxury of just continuing to work on the latest. You have to maintain multiple branches. When big customers refuse to upgrade, you're stuck with maintaining old stuff, and then good merge tools become essential. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Sam Clark s...@2000soft.com wrote: Any suggestions for a beginer on what to use for version control? It's just me, the lone person programming. I've already nailed one version of my code accidentaly. MS VSS is too expensive for the stuff I'm doing, plus I really don't like MS much... Any free open source stuff out there? I like Mercurial (hg) personally: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/ It's written in Python, works well on Windows, is a modern distributed VCS, and is simpler than Git. Cheers, Chris -- Follow the path of the Iguana... http://rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Sam Clark s...@2000soft.com wrote: Any suggestions for a beginer on what to use for version control? It's just me, the lone person programming. I've already nailed one version of my code accidentaly. MS VSS is too expensive for the stuff I'm doing, plus I really don't like MS much... Any free open source stuff out there? There's actually a lot of them. These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. -CVS (One of the first RCS, I think most projects are moving away from this one.) - Subversion-(pretty popular right now, but it is a client/server model.) -Git (originally created for Linux and now used by several very large projects) -Mercurial (this is a big up and coming RCS) -Bazaar (written in Python. Also pretty new. I don't know about Windows support) I have some experience with both Subversion and Mercurial and like them both. Since you're working alone, you'll probably want a distributed rcs, such as Mercurial, Git, and Bazaar, which allow you to do more stuff locally rather than on a central server. Like Chris, I'd suggest Mercurial especially if you're using Windows. Thank you, Sam Clark s...@2000soft.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
Any suggestions for a beginer on what to use for version control? Chris I like Mercurial (hg) personally... Me too. It's perfect for little one-person things. (It's probably good for other stuff as well, but I certainly like how easy it is to use for standalone stuff.) -- Skip Montanaro - s...@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
-CVS (One of the first RCS, I think most projects are moving away from this one.) I wouldn't suggest starting a new project with CVS. Subversion (svn) resolves several of the main issues with it, so using SVN instead wins over CVS in just about every possible way. - Subversion-(pretty popular right now, but it is a client/server model.) A good solid popular choice, but the merging capabilities are a bit weak (the latest version just added some better capabilities for branching/merging, but it's a bit of a hack). It's also not the most efficient storage -- git and mercurial (hg) both have very efficient repository structures compared to SVN. The family DVCS tools (git, mercurial, bzr, darcs) are stronger in this area. My employer uses SVN for their primary repository. Documentation is outstandingly good (documentation for the others is also good, but SVN's is exceptional). -Git (originally created for Linux and now used by several very large projects) I've tried several times to like git -- some folks swear by it. The Win32 support has been a bit wanting, but growing. I find it a bit more complex but it's certainly not lacking for power. I'll continue to try it occasionally to see if it meets my needs better than Mercurial -Mercurial (this is a big up and coming RCS) This is currently my favorite: good branching/merging, fast, written mostly in Python (one C extension module, IIRC), and a simple interface -Bazaar (written in Python. Also pretty new. I don't know about Windows support) I like Bazaar (bzr), but the last several times I've tried it, it's been a little slow. This has been steadily improving, and I like their emphasis on correctness foremost. It's a lot like mercurial, but is pure python (no C extension module) which makes it nice to deploy into environments such as my shared web-hosting service where I can't build extension C modules or install packages such as hg/git/svn from the repository. All of them have GUI interfaces if you need, but I tend to just use them from the command-line. For most of them, you can get by with a handful of commands without needing to learn every last corner. For what you (the OP) describe, I'd suggest SVN, Mercurial, or Bazaar as they're a little easier to wrap your head around -- SVN wins for documentation, Mercurial wins for speed and merging, and Bazaar wins for portability and merging. Git would win for sheer power, but if you're just beginning, I'd skip it for now. -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Revision Control
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 09:08 -0800, Sam Clark wrote: Any suggestions for a beginer on what to use for version control? It's just me, the lone person programming. I've already nailed one version of my code accidentaly. MS VSS is too expensive for the stuff I'm doing, plus I really don't like MS much... Any free open source stuff out there? I use svn (subversion) at work and it works fine, but I'm using bazaar http://bazaar-vcs.org/ on my own code, and even alongside svn to help with merging branches, porting code up-stream etc. bazaar is really great in my experience, although relatively new so you might prefer to stick to svn. I haven't tried using bazaar on windows. If you do go with svn, try the latest version, since merging support is much better in this. Tim -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Tim Chase wrote: snip cvs, svn and git -Mercurial (this is a big up and coming RCS) This is currently my favorite: good branching/merging, fast, written mostly in Python (one C extension module, IIRC), and a simple interface -Bazaar (written in Python. Also pretty new. I don't know about Windows support) I like Bazaar (bzr), but the last several times I've tried it, it's been a little slow. This has been steadily improving, and I like their emphasis on correctness foremost. It's a lot like mercurial, but is pure python (no C extension module) which makes it nice to deploy into environments such as my shared web-hosting service where I can't build extension C modules or install packages such as hg/git/svn from the repository. FWIW, Bazaar and Mercurial both have about half a dozen C modules. (Most of Bazaar's are Pyrex, though, not straight C.) The next release of Mercurial will add support for running without them. (Bazaar already supports that, of course.) snip summary -- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
