Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 22.07.2020 15:00, Christian Heimes wrote:
> Hi MAL,
> 
> would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
> @python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
> general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
> conference advertisement list.
> 
> Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
> sensible to me. You have posted 21 new threads about EP 2020 since
> January on this list, thereof 5 threads this month. In comparison I
> could only find two ads for other conferences in the last 12 month
> (FlaskCon, PyCon TZ).

Hi Christian,

as you probably know, EuroPython is a community effort, run
entirely by volunteers with no commercial interests. Since
c.l.p, as well as other general purpose Python community lists, are
places where we can reach out to the community we're working for,
it's a natural target for our conference communication.

We are perfectly aware that our emails are not necessarily
interesting for everyone, but then you have the same problem
with many topics on these general purpose mailing lists.
The standard way to approach this is to simply ignore the
postings, filter them out or silence them.

It's obvious from your emails and tweets that you don't like our
emails and that's fair. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
However, we are running the conference for a large community and
so have to compromise between people such as you who don't like
getting our emails and the thousands of people who do.

When you run community events, you have to learn that you can never
make everyone happy - even though we try hard and I believe we
have a good track record of at least making most people happy :-)

Regarding filtering, almost all of our emails carry "EuroPython" in
their subject line and we usually use a europython.eu email
address as sender. In fact, most emails are sent by me, since I the
one in charge of preparing and sending them, so you can easily filter
them out.

In terms of volume, I don't regard the 24 messages I have sent
this year anywhere near a level which can be considered spam
based on volume, given that the list has received 3300+ messages
this year.

Again, you may have a different opinion and that's perfectly fine.
We can agree to disagree on this.

FWIW: I would like to see a lot more conference communication from
the many Python events around the world go to this and other lists.

People new to Python generally have a hard time finding out what's
going on in Python land - one of the reasons I started the Python
events calendar project, for example:

https://www.python.org/events/
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar

The Python conferences and meetups are a central part of the Python
community and should get more awareness rather than less.

Thanks,
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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Cameron Simpson]

On 23Jul2020 10:39, Christian Heimes  wrote:
>On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the
>> other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than
>> subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very
>> convenient.
>
>I have been to a lot of EuroPython conferences. [...]
>I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
>users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
>spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
>"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
>conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
>a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
>lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.

Hmm, yes. For these posts, colour me convinced. I'd be happy to see 
these dialed back - they arguably belong on a europython announcement 
list.  Things like "conference rescheduled", "attendance arrangements 
changes due to the virus" etc seem worthy of the main list to me, by 
contrast.

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam

[dn via Python-list]

On 23/07/2020 20:39, Christian Heimes wrote:

On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes  wrote:

...


would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
@python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
conference advertisement list.


+1 (see later)



I, OTOH, am unperturbed.


+1


...


I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the
other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than
subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very
convenient.


+1
(and make a note to follow-up afterwards, because many PyCons post 
videos of the presentations - not as good as being-there, but less 
expensive than an RtW air-ticket!)


...

I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.


Agreed:
There is a difference between announcing conference details, and selling 
'stuff' to attendees.

(I don't know: but would a non-attendee buy the t-shirt?)



python.org has a dedicated conference mailing list for conference
related announcements. Additional to general conferen...@python.org
EuroPython has 2 (in words *TWO*) additional mailing lists for
announcements and discussions (europyt...@python.org,
europython-annou...@python.org).

...

Agreed
However, "This mailing list is a general discussion list for the Python 
programming language" and per earlier reply, advice of a conference 
holds general interest (as well) - and is an encouragement to other 
PyCons (organisers) around the world.


Were we to ban EuroPython, would we also have to take a stand against 
beginners posting basic questions (given that there is a specific Tutor 
list)?


"General" means nothing-specific (as anyone in the military can tell you)!

In truth, I did delete many of these msgs after a cursory scan of their 
content (cf reading).




Some people have replied to me in private because they did not dare to
speak out against a prominent member of the Python community in public.
At least one person has followed up with Code Of Conduct working group
because they are annoyed by the spam.


Like the decision to use vim or emacs, this topic can generate a lot of 
heat and emotion. Is there room for both? (and for 'modern IDEs')


The "dare not speak out" is sad - both for the individuals and/or the 
organisation. Wither "inclusion" and "tolerance"?

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Chris Angelico]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:40 PM Christian Heimes  wrote:
> I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
> users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
> spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
> "Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
> conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
> a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
> lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.

Five threads in a month isn't THAT much spam. Yes, four of them
arrived close together, but that's what happens when something is
temporal in nature. We've had roughly the same number of threads
saying "Python v3.x.y has been released" referencing small revisions
to stable releases of Python, and those are equally irrelevant to
people who don't need to update (for instance, 3.9.0b5 is irrelevant
unless you're tracking the betas, and 3.7.8 doesn't make a lot of
difference unless you need the very latest 3.7 and don't get it from a
package manager). Is that a problem? I don't think so. These lists get
a lot of traffic and the normal way to distinguish them is by their
subject lines, and every one of these EuroPython threads has had that
word in the subject.

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Christian Heimes]

On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes  wrote:
>> Hi MAL,
>>
>> would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
>> @python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
>> general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
>> conference advertisement list.
>>
>> Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
>> sensible to me. [...]
> 
> I, OTOH, am unperturbed.
> 
> Things have been much in flux this year, and a last minute short notice 
> thing like this post needs wide dissemination. Normally a conference 
> needs few posts, but this year everything is different and plans have 
> changed a lot, on the fly.
> 
> I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the 
> other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than 
> subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very 
> convenient.

I have been to a lot of EuroPython conferences. EP 2003 in
Charleroi/Belgium was my first Python conference. I have given several
talks at EP in recent years and have participated in one panel
discussion / AMA about Python core development.

I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.

python.org has a dedicated conference mailing list for conference
related announcements. Additional to general conferen...@python.org
EuroPython has 2 (in words *TWO*) additional mailing lists for
announcements and discussions (europyt...@python.org,
europython-annou...@python.org).

> As with all posters and topics, a truly annoying one can always be
> blocked at your personal discretion with a filter rule, eg to discard
> "europython". I know that advice verges on the spammers' claim that "you
> can always opt out" but for me this stuff isn't spam.

See https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Missing_stair

Some people have replied to me in private because they did not dare to
speak out against a prominent member of the Python community in public.
At least one person has followed up with Code Of Conduct working group
because they are annoyed by the spam.

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Cameron Simpson]

On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes  wrote:
>Hi MAL,
>
>would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
>@python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
>general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
>conference advertisement list.
>
>Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
>sensible to me. [...]

I, OTOH, am unperturbed.

Things have been much in flux this year, and a last minute short notice 
thing like this post needs wide dissemination. Normally a conference 
needs few posts, but this year everything is different and plans have 
changed a lot, on the fly.

I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the 
other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than 
subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very 
convenient.

As with all posters and topics, a truly annoying one can always be 
blocked at your personal discretion with a filter rule, eg to discard 
"europython". I know that advice verges on the spammers' claim that "you 
can always opt out" but for me this stuff isn't spam.

Cheers,
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RE: [SPAM] Type error: not enough arguments for format string

[David Raymond]

My first bet at the culprit is the space between the % and (message)s, they 
should be together like you have them for asctime.


-Original Message-
From: Python-list 
[mailto:python-list-bounces+david.raymond=tomtom@python.org] On Behalf Of 
synch1...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: [SPAM] Type error: not enough arguments for format string
Importance: Low

I'm just trying to follow along with the logging tutorial documentation and I 
am getting this error:

import logging


logging.basicConfig(format= '%(asctime)s % (message)s', datefmt='%m%d%Y 
%I:%M:%S %p')
logging.warning('is when this event was logged')

Error:

C:\Users\Malcy\PycharmProjects\Udemy\venv\Scripts\python.exe 
C:/Users/Malcy/PycharmProjects/logging/logger.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"C:\Users\Malcy\AppData\Local\Continuum\anaconda2\Lib\logging\__init__.py", 
line 861, in emit
msg = self.format(record)
  File 
"C:\Users\Malcy\AppData\Local\Continuum\anaconda2\Lib\logging\__init__.py", 
line 734, in format
return fmt.format(record)
  File 
"C:\Users\Malcy\AppData\Local\Continuum\anaconda2\Lib\logging\__init__.py", 
line 469, in format
s = self._fmt % record.__dict__
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
Logged from file logger.py, line 6

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Re: Spam levels.

[dieter]

"Peter J. Holzer"  writes:
> ...
> I didn't read on Gmane. I read on my usenet server. But the broken
> messages were all coming from Gmane.

I am reading with an NNTP client connected to the Gmane NNTP server and
and threading works - with very rare exceptions.
The exeptions are so rare, that they might have been caused by the
posters (sometimes someone opens an issue by answering to an exisiting
discussion; or starts a new thread for answering to a post in another thread).

Maybe something went wrong with the integration of your NTTP server
with the Gmane one?

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Re: Spam levels.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-22, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:

> I didn't read on Gmane. I read on my usenet server. But the broken
> messages were all coming from Gmane. It is possible that the breakage
> only occurs when Gmane passes the message to other Usenet servers,
> although I have no idea how that could happen (frankly, I have no idea
> why Gmane should replace message-ids at all - it just doesn't make
> sense).

I never figured out exactly what the broken scenarios were nor did I
try to figure out which gateway was causing them.

Ignoring Google Groups, there are 9 possible combinations:

   Usenet <---[gateway]---> M-List <---[gateway]---> Gmane

 1. Usenet followup to M-List posting
 2. Usenet followup to Gmane posting
 3. Usenet followup to Usenet posting
 4. M-List followup to Usenet posting
 5. M-List followup to Gmane posting
 6. M-List followup to M-List posting
 7. Gmane  followup to Usenet posting
 8. Gmane  followup to M-List posting
 9. Gmane  followup to Gmane posting

Most of the combinations seem to work most of the time.  It looked
like there was at least 1 broken scenario when subscribed either via
Gmane or via "real" Usenet, but it's pretty difficult to glean the the
signal from the noise created by people with broken MUAs and/or NNTP
clients.

It's actually pretty impressive it all works as well as it does...

In any case, ignoring all postings from Google Groups is recommended.

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Re: Spam levels.

[Peter J. Holzer]

On 2018-05-22 20:42:43 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2018-05-22, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:
> > On 2018-05-21 15:42:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references headers are
> >> bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat better.
> >
> > This is interesting, because Gmane was the reason I switched from
> > reading on usenet to reading the mailinglist: Every article coming
> > through the Gmane gateway had broken headers, which completely messed up
> > threading (It looked like Gmane was replacing Message-Ids with their
> > own). I haven't checked recently whether that is still the case.
> >
> > On the mailing-list threading seems to work.
> 
> I've never tried reading the mailing list directly (I'm not willing to
> give up slrn), but the last time I ran NNTP threading tests (I refuse
> to admin how much time I spent writing a Python app to do that), My
> Usenet feed was noticably worse than Gmane.  Gmane had a fair amount
> of breakage as well, but was better than Usenet.

I didn't read on Gmane. I read on my usenet server. But the broken
messages were all coming from Gmane. It is possible that the breakage
only occurs when Gmane passes the message to other Usenet servers,
although I have no idea how that could happen (frankly, I have no idea
why Gmane should replace message-ids at all - it just doesn't make
sense).

hp

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Re: Spam levels.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-22, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:
> On 2018-05-21 15:42:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references headers are
>> bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat better.
>
> This is interesting, because Gmane was the reason I switched from
> reading on usenet to reading the mailinglist: Every article coming
> through the Gmane gateway had broken headers, which completely messed up
> threading (It looked like Gmane was replacing Message-Ids with their
> own). I haven't checked recently whether that is still the case.
>
> On the mailing-list threading seems to work.

I've never tried reading the mailing list directly (I'm not willing to
give up slrn), but the last time I ran NNTP threading tests (I refuse
to admin how much time I spent writing a Python app to do that), My
Usenet feed was noticably worse than Gmane.  Gmane had a fair amount
of breakage as well, but was better than Usenet.

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Re: Spam levels.

[Peter J. Holzer]

On 2018-05-21 15:42:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references headers are
> bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat better.

This is interesting, because Gmane was the reason I switched from
reading on usenet to reading the mailinglist: Every article coming
through the Gmane gateway had broken headers, which completely messed up
threading (It looked like Gmane was replacing Message-Ids with their
own). I haven't checked recently whether that is still the case.

On the mailing-list threading seems to work.

hp


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Re: Spam levels.

[C W Rose via Python-list]

m  wrote:
> W dniu 10.02.2018 o 15:57, C W Rose pisze:
>> No other groups (in the limited set which I read) have the problem,
>> and I don't understand why the spammers neither spam a range of
>> groups, nor change their adddresses more frequently.  It may be
>> that destroying comp.lang.python is their actual objective.
>> 
>> Either way, a depressing state of affairs.
> 
> The sad thing is, that your post is unseen, because of spam :S
> 
> I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
> levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
> my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?
> 
> Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?
> 

The situation is getting worse:

comp.lang.python messages 29 Jan - 14 May 2018
Fetched: 3081
Killed: 6616
Valid: 31.77 %

Almost all of the garbage is coming from the "Case Solutions" poster,
with a hotmail address.  He's said himself that he doesn't read the
group, and there's really no point to endless reposting in a newsgroup
with no relevance to the posts, so it's just mindless vandalism.
He doesn't change addresses or headers much, so the filter seldom needs
updating; however, I think comp.lang.python is reaching the end of the line.

comp.lang.c has less overwhelming problems, due to a single obsessive:
comp.lang.c messages 29 Jan - 14 May 2018
Fetched: 3969
Killed: 618
Valid: 86.52 %

If you are using Linux, leafnode is easy to set up, and has enough filtering
to keep comp.lang.python readable.  I pull from news.eternal-september.org
and news.gmane.org (though I don't know how much longer gmane will last).
Both are free.

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Re: Spam levels.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-21, José María Mateos  wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:00:41AM +0200, m wrote:
>> I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
>> levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
>> my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?
>> 
>> Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?
>
> If you're willing to let NNTP access go, the mailing list works 
> perfectly fine and is virtually spam-free.

You can have both.  Point your NNTP client at news.gmane.org and
subscribe to gmane.comp.python.general.

That said, I never noticed any more spam on c.l.p than on the mailing
list.  I assume that's because my Usenet provider (Panix.com) filtered
it out.  I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references
headers are bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat
better.

[Regardless of whether I'm using Usenet or Gmane, I have slrn
configured to plonk all posts made from google.groups.]

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Re: Spam levels.

[José María Mateos]

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:00:41AM +0200, m wrote:
> I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
> levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
> my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?
> 
> Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?

If you're willing to let NNTP access go, the mailing list works 
perfectly fine and is virtually spam-free.

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Re: Spam levels.

[m]

W dniu 10.02.2018 o 15:57, C W Rose pisze:
> No other groups (in the limited set which I read) have the problem,
> and I don't understand why the spammers neither spam a range of
> groups, nor change their adddresses more frequently.  It may be
> that destroying comp.lang.python is their actual objective.
> 
> Either way, a depressing state of affairs.

The sad thing is, that your post is unseen, because of spam :S

I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?

Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?

p. m.
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Re: Spam

[alister via Python-list]

> They are literally criminals, they use computer viruses and malware to
> hijack people's computers to send their spam, and you want to trust them
> and buy from them?

this was probably a "Drive By" posy to get the original spam more 
attention & possibly bypass spam filters





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Re: Spam user

[Cholo Lennon]

On 01/04/17 16:15, Mario R. Osorio wrote:

I'm not in the business of starting an argument about best/worse newsreader, 
Ammammata, but could you please recommend a few?



Mozilla Thunderbird works very well. Spam is close to nothing using this 
free nntp server: news.aioe.org


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Re: Spam user

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Sat 01 Apr 2017 09:15:41p, *Mario R. Osorio* ha inviato su
comp.lang.python il messaggio
news:d0e9d036-2924-4c2c-99b1-0d8cb02b9...@googlegroups.com. Vediamo cosa
ha scritto: 

> I'm not in the business of starting an argument about best/worse
> newsreader, Ammammata, but could you please recommend a few? 
> 

not my intention, I just think a dedicated news *program* is better than 
the google *web interface* and gives you more filter tools

here I'm using xnews, but I have also mesnews configured (for stats) as 
well as pan for windows (for other uses)
at home I use pan (on linux)
on the tablet I use a chinese piece of software, can't remember the name 
sorry, but it's in the playstore

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Re: Spam user

[Mario R. Osorio]

I'm not in the business of starting an argument about best/worse newsreader, 
Ammammata, but could you please recommend a few?

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Re: Spam user

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Fri 31 Mar 2017 10:27:54a, *Ricardo A Baila* ha inviato su
comp.lang.python il messaggio
news:058a9744-44bf-4e6b-ae1d-28e1e348e...@googlegroups.com. Vediamo cosa
ha scritto: 

> User-Agent: G2/1.0
> 
> Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?
> 

you better switch to a decent newsreader and learn how to use filters ;)
g2 has no plonk list

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Re: Spam user

[Terry Reedy]

On 3/31/2017 5:07 AM, Lele Gaifax wrote:

Ricardo A Baila  writes:


Are you reading through Google Groups?


Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?



Strange, I could not see such messages, neither in the newsgroup (gmane) nor
on the ML archives.


If so, send your request to the Google Group admins,
who allow much spam filtered out by python.org.
And/or switch to reading the python.org list or the news.gmane.org 
newsgroup mirror.



Are you sure you are not receiving those as private messages?


GG trash is more likely.

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Re: Spam user

[Lele Gaifax]

Ricardo A Baila  writes:

> Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?

Strange, I could not see such messages, neither in the newsgroup (gmane) nor
on the ML archives.

Are you sure you are not receiving those as private messages?

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Re: Spam user

[Ricardo A Baila]

Le vendredi 31 mars 2017 10:28:08 UTC+2, Ricardo A Baila a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?
> 
> Thanks
> Ricardo

And johnnypopo...@gmx.com as well.

Didn't go deep on the issue but could it be @gmx.com the issue?

Or at least, as the message is always the same, couldn't admins filter it or 
something? 

It's getting to proportions in terms of frequency where it makes the group 
really unreadable.

Best,
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Re: spam issue

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 07 March 2017 01:00:41 Greg Couch wrote:

> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-8, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> > Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> > I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one
> > that has this issue.
>
> If you do use google groups, please "Report abuse" for these messages.
>  And maybe google will get get a clue.  Wishful thinking, I know.

I don't get any more spam on this list, I send anything from google 
groups to /dev/null before it gets to /var/spool/mail/.  Much more 
peacefull now, for about 2 years...

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Re: spam issue

[Greg Couch]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-8, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that has 
> this issue.

If you do use google groups, please "Report abuse" for these messages.  And 
maybe google will get get a clue.  Wishful thinking, I know.
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Re: spam issue

[Andrew Zyman]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 2:28:04 PM UTC-5, bream...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:08:44 PM UTC, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> > Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> > I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that 
> > has this issue.
> 
> The bulk having lots of block capitals and in Italian?  Been happening for 
> years.  Just use gmane, gives you access to hundreds of Python lists and 
> thousands of others in one hit.
> 
> Kindest regards.
> 
> Mark Lawrence.


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Re: spam issue

[breamoreboy]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:08:44 PM UTC, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that has 
> this issue.

The bulk having lots of block capitals and in Italian?  Been happening for 
years.  Just use gmane, gives you access to hundreds of Python lists and 
thousands of others in one hit.

Kindest regards.

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Re: spam issue

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Andrew Zyman  wrote:
>> Or the mailing list, depending on how you like to read things. The
>> list has some additional filtering and moderation, which I appreciate.
>>
>> ChrisA
>
>
> you mean on python.org ?

Yeah. You can sign up here:

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

The content is the same as on the newsgroup, modulo the differences in
filtering/moderation, so you can make a stylistic choice to read it as
a newsgroup or as a mailing list.

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Re: spam issue

[Andrew Zyman]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 1:39:54 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Cholo Lennon  wrote:
> > Google groups act like a "web frontend" for nntp protocol (on which this
> > group is based). I suppose Google doesn't filter spam messages in its
> > interface. Try using a newsreader like Mozilla Thunderbird and point it to a
> > news server. In my case I use "news.aioe.org", it's free and it doesn't have
> > spam. The only minor problem is its retention policy (a couple of months or
> > so, but any newsreader can cache messages in your computer the time you
> > want)
> >
> 
> Or the mailing list, depending on how you like to read things. The
> list has some additional filtering and moderation, which I appreciate.
> 
> ChrisA


you mean on python.org ?
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Re: spam issue

[Cholo Lennon]

On 02/03/17 13:08, Andrew Zyman wrote:

Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that has 
this issue.



Google groups act like a "web frontend" for nntp protocol (on which this 
group is based). I suppose Google doesn't filter spam messages in its 
interface. Try using a newsreader like Mozilla Thunderbird and point it 
to a news server. In my case I use "news.aioe.org", it's free and it 
doesn't have spam. The only minor problem is its retention policy (a 
couple of months or so, but any newsreader can cache messages in your 
computer the time you want)


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Re: spam issue

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Cholo Lennon  wrote:
> Google groups act like a "web frontend" for nntp protocol (on which this
> group is based). I suppose Google doesn't filter spam messages in its
> interface. Try using a newsreader like Mozilla Thunderbird and point it to a
> news server. In my case I use "news.aioe.org", it's free and it doesn't have
> spam. The only minor problem is its retention policy (a couple of months or
> so, but any newsreader can cache messages in your computer the time you
> want)
>

Or the mailing list, depending on how you like to read things. The
list has some additional filtering and moderation, which I appreciate.

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Re: [SPAM] RE: Cleaning up conditionals

[MRAB]

On 2016-12-31 22:35, Deborah Swanson wrote:

Peter Otten wrote:

Deborah Swanson wrote:

> Here I have a real mess, in my opinion:

[corrected code:]

> if len(l1[st]) == 0:
> if len(l2[st]) > 0:
> l1[st] = l2[st]
> elif len(l2[st]) == 0:
> if len(l1[st]) > 0:
> l2[st] = l1[st]

> Anybody know or see an easier (more pythonic) way to do
this? I need
> to do it for four fields, and needless to say, that's a really long
> block of ugly code.

By "four fields", do you mean four values of st, or four
pairs of l1, l2, or
more elif-s with l3 and l4 -- or something else entirely?

Usually the most obvious way to avoid repetition is to write
a function, and
to make the best suggestion a bit more context is necessary.



I did write a function for this, and welcome any suggestions for
improvement.

The context is comparing 2 adjacent rows of data (in a list of real
estate listings sorted by their webpage titles and dates) with the
assumption that if the webpage titles are the same, they're listings for
the same property. This assumption is occasionally bad, but in far less
than one per 1000 unique listings. I'd rather just hand edit the data in
those cases so one webpage title is slightly different, than writing and
executing all the code needed to find and handle these corner cases.
Maybe that will be a future refinement, but right now I don't really
need it.

Once two rows of listing data have been identified as different dates
for the same property, there are 4 fields that will be identical for
both rows. There can be up to 10 (or even more) listings identical
except for the date, but typically I'm just adding a new one and want to
copy the field data from its previous siblings, so the copying is just
from the last listing to the new one.

Here's the function I have so far:

def comprows(l1,l2,st,ki,no):
ret = ''
labels = {st: 'st/co', ki: 'kind', no: 'notes'}
for v in (st,ki,no):
if len(l1[v]) == 0 and len(l2[v]) != 0:
l1[v] = l2[v]
elif len(l2[v]) == 0 and len(l1[v]) != 0:
l2[v] = l1[v]
elif l1[v] != l2[v]:
ret += ", " + labels[v] + " diff" if len(ret) > 0 else
labels[v] + " diff"
return ret

The 4th field is a special case and easily dispatched in one line of
code before this function is called for the other 3.

l1 and l2 are the 2 adjacent rows of listing data, with st,ki,no holding
codes for state/county, kind (of property) and notes. I want the
checking and copying to go both ways because sometimes I'm backfilling
old listings that I didn't pick up in my nightly copies on their given
dates, but came across them later.

ret is returned to a field with details to look at when I save the list
to csv and open it in Excel. The noted diffs will need to be reconciled.

I tried to use Jussi Piitulainen's suggestion to chain the conditionals,
but just couldn't make it work for choosing list elements to assign to,
although the approach is perfect if you're computing a value.

Hope this is enough context... ;)
D


Here's a slightly different way of doing it:

def comprows(l1, l2, st, ki, no):
ret = ''
labels = {st: 'st/co', ki: 'kind', no: 'notes'}
for v in (st, ki, no):
t = list({l1[v], l2[v]} - {''})
if len(t) == 1:
l1[v] = l2[v] = t[0]
elif len(t) == 2:
ret += ", " + labels[v] + " diff"
return ret[2 : ]


And here's a summary of what it does:

If l1[v] == l2[v], then {l1[v], l2[v]} will contain 1 string, otherwise 
it'll contain 2 strings. Then remove any empty string.


If the set now contains 1 string, then either they were the same, or one 
of them was empty; in either case, just make them the same.


On the other hand, if the set contains 2 strings, then report that they 
were different.


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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Terry Reedy]

On 5/29/2016 4:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:


On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:

Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.



Blasted directly to this, and several other python related lists.
The source address is NOT in the email headers, and I'm sure that is not
a mistake, so for those of you running a blacklist like mail filter, you
can add volny.cz to the kill on site lists.  Whois also does not report
the IP, but dig did extract it. 46.255.231.48, however since it is not
in the message, it won't do a lot of good to look for it, even using my
own rules, which I write to block the whole class D is it annoys me.


Verizon (my ISP) would not accept a response with the web url the 
malfactor was trying to send us to, so they obviously have it blacklisted.



Up to you all as to what you do about it, but it looks as if it was to be
stopped at the source, it would be up to CENTRUM-CZ to block it.  IMO,
w/o a source ip, centrum should not have accepted it for transmission.
But my oar in these matters is about the size of a toothpick.

From the rest of that messages headers it appears to have originated at:
step...@organicfoodmarkets.com.au, with an invisible character in front
of the s that disables a copy/paste if its included in the copy.

Tricky little snake.  Lets see what clamscand thinks of it.   Not
infected, but its database is falling seriously behind too.  And I sure
don't trust it enough to click on it.


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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 May 2016 14:23:27 Random832 wrote:

> On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.
>
> I didn't actually see the original message. Maybe it was sent directly
> to you (and perhaps other users, but not me) with a forged header
> implying it came from the list?

Blasted directly to this, and several other python related lists.
The source address is NOT in the email headers, and I'm sure that is not 
a mistake, so for those of you running a blacklist like mail filter, you 
can add volny.cz to the kill on site lists.  Whois also does not report 
the IP, but dig did extract it. 46.255.231.48, however since it is not 
in the message, it won't do a lot of good to look for it, even using my 
own rules, which I write to block the whole class D is it annoys me.

Up to you all as to what you do about it, but it looks as if it was to be 
stopped at the source, it would be up to CENTRUM-CZ to block it.  IMO, 
w/o a source ip, centrum should not have accepted it for transmission.  
But my oar in these matters is about the size of a toothpick.

>From the rest of that messages headers it appears to have originated at:
step...@organicfoodmarkets.com.au, with an invisible character in front 
of the s that disables a copy/paste if its included in the copy.

Tricky little snake.  Lets see what clamscand thinks of it.   Not 
infected, but its database is falling seriously behind too.  And I sure 
don't trust it enough to click on it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[John Ladasky]

On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-7, Peter Pearson wrote:
>
> No, it reached me, too, through NNTP.

I also saw it, through the Google Groups gateway.
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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Peter Pearson]

On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:23:27 -0400, Random832  wrote:
> On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.
>
> I didn't actually see the original message. Maybe it was sent directly
> to you (and perhaps other users, but not me) with a forged header
> implying it came from the list?

No, it reached me, too, through NNTP.

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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Random832]

On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.

I didn't actually see the original message. Maybe it was sent directly
to you (and perhaps other users, but not me) with a forged header
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Re: spam (wasRe: extract from json)

[Chris Angelico]

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Mark Lawrence  wrote:
> On 08/03/2014 03:49, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it's better if you (CENSORED) off.
>>
>>
>> Teddybubu, please understand that the above comment is from a spammer
>> and does not reflect the prevailing attitude of this list. I don't
>> like to make content-free posts like this, but as you already have the
>> answer you need, there's not a lot for me to add :)
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
>
> This particular PITA of a spammer is one of the very few that I see on
> Thunderbird via gmane.  I believe that Terry Reedy amongst others does a
> good job of keeping us relatively spam free.  Thanks all.

Normally I ignore him (and yes, I see those posts too, in Gmail).
Stand-alone posts aren't an issue. I just didn't want a new poster to
see that reply go through unchallenged.

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Re: Spam trash sent to python-list from google-groups

[Mark Lawrence]

On 30/12/2013 19:12, Terry Reedy wrote:

In the last week, python list received the following from google-groups.

vbf...@gmail.com via google-groups
NOW Watch Hot Sexy Star Aishwarya rai Bathing Videos In All Angles
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749545

hussainc1...@gmail.com via gg
Sania Mirza Naked Pics at www.ZHAKKAS.com
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749570

hossamala...@gmail.com via gg
=?windows-1256?B?3e3TIMjm3yAtIGZhY2Vib29r?= (Partly Arabic script)
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749589


hossamalagmy turns up every now and again as does BV BV whatever.  For 
any spam I go straight to gg and gmane and mark them as spam.  Every 
little counts :)


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Re: [SPAM] Re: Default Value

[MRAB]

On 24/06/2013 15:22, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2013-06-22, Ian Kelly  wrote:

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
 wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:49:51 +0100, MRAB wrote:


On 21/06/2013 21:44, Rick Johnson wrote:

[...]

Which in Python would be the "MutableArgumentWarning".

*school-bell*


I notice that you've omitted any mention of how you'd know that the
argument was mutable.


That's easy. Just call ismutable(arg). The implementation of ismutable is
just an implementation detail, somebody else can work that out. A
language designer of the sheer genius of Rick can hardly be expected to
worry himself about such trivial details.


While we're at it, I would like to petition for a function
terminates(f, args) that I can use to determine whether a function
will terminate before I actually call it.


I think it should be terminate_time() -- so you can also find out how
long it's going to run.  It can return None if it's not going to
terminate...


Surely that should be float("inf")! Anything else would be ridiculous!
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Re: [SPAM] Fonts & Tinker

[Łukasz Posadowski]

Dnia 2013-01-25, pią o godzinie 20:41 -0800, Angel pisze:
> but the real displayed fonts in the window are smaller (default size of 12, 
> maybe).
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> A.
> 

Did you tried this by simple:

---
root = Tk()
root.option_add('*Font', "Heveltica 14")
---

We'll see if it's a local tkinter installation problem.



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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:08:58 -0800, Robert Miles wrote:

> It now takes two people reporting the same spam to get google groups to
> do much about it.  I just reported this one as well, though.

Speaking of spam, googlegroups, and other annoyances, please don't CC 
python-list@python.org as well as posting to the newsgroup.

The newsgroup is already automatically mirrored by the mailing list, and 
vice versa, so by CCing all you do is needlessly, and annoyingly, 
duplicate your message.




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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Robert Miles]

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:18:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 18/11/2012 19:31, Terry Reedy wrote:
> 
> > The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
> 
> I don't know the answer but I take the greatest pleasure in hurtling 
> onto the dread googlegroups and gmane to report spam. Thankfully it's 
> easy as the amount I receive via gmane is effectively zero.  YMMV?

It now takes two people reporting the same spam to get google groups
to do much about it.  I just reported this one as well, though.


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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 November 2012 21:18:16 Robert Miles did opine:

> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:35:00 PM UTC-6, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
> > 
> > Not all, but more that half, I believe. This one does.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: MoneyMaker 
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > Message-ID: <2d2a0b98-c587-4459-9489-680b1ddc4...@googlegroups.com>
> 
> That depends on your definition of spam.  This one does not appear to be
> trying to sell anything, and therefore does not meet some of the
> stricter definitions. Definitely off-topic, though.

Not withstanding, it was fed to sa-learn -spam here.

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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Mark Lawrence]

On 18/11/2012 19:31, Terry Reedy wrote:

The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.



I don't know the answer but I take the greatest pleasure in hurtling 
onto the dread googlegroups and gmane to report spam. Thankfully it's 
easy as the amount I receive via gmane is effectively zero.  YMMV?


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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Robert Miles]

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:35:00 PM UTC-6, Terry Reedy wrote:
> The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
> 
> Not all, but more that half, I believe. This one does.
> 
> 
> 
> From: MoneyMaker 
> 
> ...
> 
> Message-ID: <2d2a0b98-c587-4459-9489-680b1ddc4...@googlegroups.com>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Terry Jan Reedy

That depends on your definition of spam.  This one does not appear to be trying
to sell anything, and therefore does not meet some of the stricter definitions.
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Re: Spam in subject lines (Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object)

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:11:28 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM,   wrote:
>> Why do people add character  like    [* SPAM *]  to their  subject
>> lines ??   Is it supposed to do something  ??   I figured since
>> programmers hang out here, maybe one of you know this.
> 
> People don't. It's something added by a spam filter that thought that
> the email was likely to be junk (in this case, a 70% probability
> thereof). If you're curious as to exactly _why_ the filter thought that,
> check the email headers - it's all there, in exhaustive detail.

Hilariously, I have occasionally received spam where the spammer included 
SPAM in their subject line under the mistaken impression that this sign 
of honesty would make me more likely to read the body of the email.

Actually, in hindsight, not so mistaken really... 



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Re: Spam

[Steven D'Aprano]

David wrote:

> If you click the "more options" link, there is an option in the sub-
> menu to report a post as spam.  You can also forward it along with the
> offending e-mail address to s...@uce.gov

What "more options" link? Are you referring to a specific program? If so,
which?

Remember, people are reading this via email: Thunderbird, Outlook, Outlook
Express, Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Kmail, mutt, and hundreds of other programs;
also via Usenet, again with multiple programs; on the web, via Google
Groups or any of a dozen or so different websites. They don't all have
a "more options" link.


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Re: Spam

[David]

If you click the "more options" link, there is an option in the sub-
menu to report a post as spam.  You can also forward it along with the
offending e-mail address to s...@uce.gov

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Re: Spam

[Chris Angelico]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:58 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> I hope it's clear that reading an email doesn't constitute visiting all of
> the sites linked in the email and therefore doesn't improve Google page
> ranks or provide any other tracking information.  Also note that the
> original email didn't have anything like a tracking pixel.  Even the urls
> were just text.  They only became links if the readers' email client turned
> them into links.  My email wasn't dangerous or helpful to the spammer in any
> way.

You're correct about emails per se, but list mail gets archived to
web-accessible pages:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2011-August/1277607.html

And yes, URLs become clickable.

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Re: Spam

[Ghodmode]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:17 AM, harrismh777  wrote:

> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that python-list gets significantly more spam than the
>>> >  other lists I subscribe to.  There's an example below.
>>>
>> Thanks for that! I missed it the first time, so it is very helpful for you
>> to forward it. It's especially helpful that you included all the spammer's
>> URLs, as that will help improve their Google page ranks. I'm sure the
>> spammer will thank you for your assistance.
>>
>
> Yeah, a couple of good rules to follow for well intentioned citizens:
> 1) don't feed the trolls
> 2) don't repackage spam
>

I hope it's clear that reading an email doesn't constitute visiting all of
the sites linked in the email and therefore doesn't improve Google page
ranks or provide any other tracking information.  Also note that the
original email didn't have anything like a tracking pixel.  Even the urls
were just text.  They only became links if the readers' email client turned
them into links.  My email wasn't dangerous or helpful to the spammer in any
way.


Having said that, either because I was tired or because I dropped my
> defensive posture, I have messed up on those two little rules more than
> once.
>
> It is possible to filter spam very effectively. My mail client has a
> spam-can based on a multitude of trial and guess rules that with almost oh
> 97 percent rate puts the right stuff into the can and saves me the trouble
> of manually filtering it. Granted, I still need to quickly peek through the
> can files... but this is pretty easy to do... because non spam shows up like
> a rose among thorns in a spam-can.
>
> The trouble is that this group does like to debate off-topic stuff
> frequently (usually its at least edge related to Python) and so who is to
> tell (as a moderator) what is spam?  Well, your example is fairly obvious,
> but other stuff (even like this note) may not be. I don't consider this
> spam, because its related to this list and because I am interested in the
> same issue as your OP complaint. But, I am absolutely sure that others will
> view your note, and mine, as spam... see the problem?
>


I think we have a generally accepted idea of what spam is, and it's much
different from off-topic threads.  An automated system might not be able to
identify the differences as easily, but a person could.  Especially if that
person is an active member of the community and reads all of the threads
anyway.



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My intentions were constructive and helpful, but it has gotten a little out
of hand.  Based on some of the information provided, my idea might not be
technically feasible anyway.  So, I won't be reading or commenting on this
thread further.  I am truly sorry for any misunderstandings or time lost.

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Re: Spam

[harrismh777]

Steven D'Aprano wrote:

I've noticed that python-list gets significantly more spam than the
>  other lists I subscribe to.  There's an example below.

Thanks for that! I missed it the first time, so it is very helpful for you
to forward it. It's especially helpful that you included all the spammer's
URLs, as that will help improve their Google page ranks. I'm sure the
spammer will thank you for your assistance.


Yeah, a couple of good rules to follow for well intentioned citizens:
1) don't feed the trolls
2) don't repackage spam

Having said that, either because I was tired or because I dropped my 
defensive posture, I have messed up on those two little rules more than 
once.


It is possible to filter spam very effectively. My mail client has a 
spam-can based on a multitude of trial and guess rules that with almost 
oh 97 percent rate puts the right stuff into the can and saves me the 
trouble of manually filtering it. Granted, I still need to quickly peek 
through the can files... but this is pretty easy to do... because non 
spam shows up like a rose among thorns in a spam-can.


The trouble is that this group does like to debate off-topic stuff 
frequently (usually its at least edge related to Python) and so who is 
to tell (as a moderator) what is spam?  Well, your example is fairly 
obvious, but other stuff (even like this note) may not be. I don't 
consider this spam, because its related to this list and because I am 
interested in the same issue as your OP complaint. But, I am absolutely 
sure that others will view your note, and mine, as spam... see the problem?




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Re: Spam

[Matty Sarro]

I agree, the Bollywood spam sucks. There's not even any boobies!
On Aug 1, 2011 4:16 AM, "Steven D'Aprano" <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Ghodmode wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that python-list gets significantly more spam than the
>> other lists I subscribe to. There's an example below.
>
> Thanks for that! I missed it the first time, so it is very helpful for you
> to forward it. It's especially helpful that you included all the spammer's
> URLs, as that will help improve their Google page ranks. I'm sure the
> spammer will thank you for your assistance.
>
>
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Re: Spam

[Steven D'Aprano]

Ghodmode wrote:

> I've noticed that python-list gets significantly more spam than the
> other lists I subscribe to.  There's an example below.

Thanks for that! I missed it the first time, so it is very helpful for you
to forward it. It's especially helpful that you included all the spammer's
URLs, as that will help improve their Google page ranks. I'm sure the
spammer will thank you for your assistance.


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Re: Spam

[Gregory Ewing]

Chris Rebert wrote:

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:


I'm wondering how the list is managed.  Can anyone post, or only
members?


Since we're gatewayed to USENET's comp.lang.python anyway, I'd
strongly suspect the former.


You may get a better experience by reading the usenet group
instead, and doing it through a good news site.

I'm using news.individual.de, and seeing near enough to zero
spam on comp.lang.python, so they must be doing a good job
of filtering.

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Re: Spam

[Chris Rebert]

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> I've noticed that python-list gets significantly more spam than the
> other lists I subscribe to.  There's an example below.
>
> I'm wondering how the list is managed.  Can anyone post, or only
> members?

Since we're gatewayed to USENET's comp.lang.python anyway, I'd
strongly suspect the former. So unfortunately, I doubt your idea could
be implemented short of making the list moderated (very unlikely to
happen due to the level of activity) or disabling the gateway (again
unlikely due to historical momentum and USENET dinosaurs). I
understand that there are spam filters in place though, so it might be
worth asking that they be tweaked. (e.g. I doubt there are many legit
posts involving Bollywood.)

> I've picked the email addresses of the list managers out of
> the list info page, but I wonder if you guys have enough time to skim
> the list and boot offending members.  If not, is there someone who is
> active on the list that you could delegate administration privileges
> to?  Maybe someone who has been an active member for a long time?
>
> I'm willing, but probably not qualified.  I've been lurking on the
> list for a while, but I don't contribute much because I'm not very
> proficient with Python.
>
> Thank you.
>
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>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ashraf Ali 

And off to ab...@gmail.com I dash. Fsck you Mr. Ali. (Yeah, not their
real name, I know. Still worth reporting such accounts.)

Cheers,
Chris

> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:54 AM
> Subject: Hello My Sweet Friends.
> To: python-list@python.org
>
>
> Hello Friends.
> How are you all?
> Please Visit the following link if you know about Pakistan and what
> happening in the world.

P.S. Please redact the actual spam links next time so that they don't
get further Google juice.
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Re: Spam

[Chris Angelico]

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> I'm willing, but probably not qualified.  I've been lurking on the
> list for a while, but I don't contribute much because I'm not very
> proficient with Python.
>

I don't see Python proficiency as a prerequisite for recognizing
spammers :) If you are willing to take on the job, I would support
your application for the power to do it.

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Re: Spam on the mailing list

[Grant Edwards]

On 2011-04-07, Nobody  wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 01:03:31 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I don't know whether it's ironic or in some way Pythonesque, but this
>> is the only mailing list that I've seen significant amounts of spam
>> on...
>
> Bear in mind that the mailing list has a bidirectional gateway to the
> comp.lang.python newsgroup.

Where google groups is a perennial source of garbage.

Personally, I see almost zero spam in "this group" (reading it in
comp.lang.python). That's attributable in part to my News provider
filtering out stuff and in part to my .score file entry that
automatically discards anything posted via groups.google.com.

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Re: Spam on the mailing list

[Nobody]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 01:03:31 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

> I don't know whether it's ironic or in some way Pythonesque, but this
> is the only mailing list that I've seen significant amounts of spam
> on...

Bear in mind that the mailing list has a bidirectional gateway to the
comp.lang.python newsgroup.

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Re: Spam on the mailing list

[eryksun ()]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2011 11:03:31 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I don't know whether it's ironic or in some way Pythonesque, but this
> is the only mailing list that I've seen significant amounts of spam
> on...

My impression is that there is much more spam on comp.lang.python than on the 
archives of Python-list, so it seems the gateway is catching a lot of it:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2011-April/date.html
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Re: [SPAM] FW: ciao

[MRAB]

On 26/03/2011 18:07, bledar seferi wrote:


3.Scrivere unafunsioncheprende comeargomentouna lista
diinterierestituisce uninsieme contenentequei numerichesono2 o più
voltenellalista fornita.Per esempio,seservecomelista di
input=[1,2,3,3,4,4,5,6,7,7,7],quindila funzionerestituiràilset([3,4,7])

Mi puoi aiutare a fare questo programma a python

Grazie


I'd use a defaultdict to count them.
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RE: [SPAM] - Re: Code review request

[Jason Staudenmayer]

-Original Message-
From: python-list-bounces+jasons=adventureaquarium@python.org 
[mailto:python-list-bounces+jasons=adventureaquarium@python.org] On Behalf 
Of Stefan Sonnenberg-Carstens
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:24 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Code review request


Am 22.12.2010 19:34, schrieb Jason Staudenmayer: 
Hi All,


Hi Jason,

the program could be more dense.
You have several redundant code in there, too.

For example, all the *Employee functions basically just call dbconnect and let
it execute the sql there.
dbconnect in this respect is not a really straight name, as it does more than 
only
connect to a database.

You should avoid "!= None", better is "is not None".

The program flow is "awkward": if argv is empty (better say "if not argv"),
you show one employee, but then continue to parse opts.
I think the program would be more readable, if you would just handle
the different cases in an if-elseif-else-cascade.
The global statement is not needed,

But you can also try pylint, which will point some things out:


Report
78 statements analysed.


Thanks for the advice, I'll try to rework some of those issues. I did try the 
if-elif-else for the getopts but it didn't flow right for some reason (I'll try 
it again though).

Thanks again.

Jason
 
 
 
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Aahz]

In article ,
Emile van Sebille   wrote:
>On 2/24/2010 1:52 PM Arnaud Delobelle said...
>> a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>>>
>>> That seems to miss the point to some extent.  If I post my recipe for
>>> spinach lasagne here, is that spam?
>>
>> Are they really good?  Sounds good, spinach lasagne, I don't know a
>> recipe for them.  Maybe you could post it as Python code, with a lot of
>> nested if-then-else clauses, of course :)
>
>+1 for Aahz posting his Spinach Lasagne recipe.

Sorry, I lied.  ;-)  I don't actually have a spinach lasagne recipe.
I've got lots of others on my personal website at http://rule6.info/
(including one for Catalan Spinach).
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Emile van Sebille]

On 2/24/2010 1:52 PM Arnaud Delobelle said...

a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:

That seems to miss the point to some extent.  If I post my recipe for
spinach lasagne here, is that spam?


Are they really good?  Sounds good, spinach lasagne, I don't know a
recipe for them.  Maybe you could post it as Python code, with a lot of
nested if-then-else clauses, of course :)



+1 for Aahz posting his Spinach Lasagne recipe.

Emile



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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[BJ Swope]

>
> If you like, but I tend to interpret "meta-" as idempotent. It's easier on
> my aspirin budget.
>
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And here I thought it was little blue pills for idempotentcy...




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Re: Spam from gmail

[Arnaud Delobelle]

Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> (That last response is aimed at a generic You, not Ben specifically.
> Stupid English language, why can't we have a word for generic you?)

I thought the word was "one".

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Steve Holden]

Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> 
>> Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's
>> commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that
>> it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients.
> 
> Not quite.
> 
> I've read tens of thousands of messages to comp.lang.python, and 
> solicited perhaps some hundreds. Are all the rest spam? I should say not!
> I haven't solicited them: at no point did I say, explicitly or 
> implicitly, "Hey strangers all over the world, send me messages asking 
> questions about Python" but I do welcome them.
> 
> (In fact, I'd be annoyed if everyone started sending the questions to me 
> personally instead of to the list.)
> 
> I think it is foolish to try to create a water-tight definition of 
> "spam". It is clearly a fuzzy concept, which means sometimes right-
> thinking people can have legitimate disagreements as to whether or not 
> something is "spam".
> 
> For example, I happen to think that the OP's message about Fascism is off-
> topic but not spam. I think Joan is guilty of a breach of etiquette for 
> failing to label it [OT] in the subject line, and she should have 
> directed replies to a more appropriate forum (a mailing list, another 
> newsgroup, a web forum, anywhere but here). But in my opinion, it didn't 
> cross the line into spam. I wouldn't be the slightest bit tempted to 
> killfile her, or flag the message as spam, in my mail/news client.
> 
> If other people feel differently, well, that's your personal choice. But 
> please don't try to tell me that *my* line between spam and ham is wrong, 
> and that *yours* is the only correct one. 
> 
> (That last response is aimed at a generic You, not Ben specifically. 
> Stupid English language, why can't we have a word for generic you?)
> 
> 
That's why SpamBayes allows per-user training.

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Ben Finney]

Steven D'Aprano  writes:

> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
>
> > Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's
> > commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in
> > that it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients.
>
> Not quite.
>
> I've read tens of thousands of messages to comp.lang.python, and
> solicited perhaps some hundreds. Are all the rest spam? I should say
> not! I haven't solicited them: at no point did I say, explicitly or
> implicitly, "Hey strangers all over the world, send me messages asking
> questions about Python"

By subscribing to the forum, I maintain that you do exactly that.

> but I do welcome them.

Whether they're welcome or not, they're solicited in the sense of being
delivered to the recipient who explicitly asked to receive messages on a
particular range of topics.

When a message that is well outside the nominal range of topics for a
forum is broadcast to recipients by means of that forum, the message is
unsolicited.

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:

> Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's
> commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that
> it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients.

Not quite.

I've read tens of thousands of messages to comp.lang.python, and 
solicited perhaps some hundreds. Are all the rest spam? I should say not!
I haven't solicited them: at no point did I say, explicitly or 
implicitly, "Hey strangers all over the world, send me messages asking 
questions about Python" but I do welcome them.

(In fact, I'd be annoyed if everyone started sending the questions to me 
personally instead of to the list.)

I think it is foolish to try to create a water-tight definition of 
"spam". It is clearly a fuzzy concept, which means sometimes right-
thinking people can have legitimate disagreements as to whether or not 
something is "spam".

For example, I happen to think that the OP's message about Fascism is off-
topic but not spam. I think Joan is guilty of a breach of etiquette for 
failing to label it [OT] in the subject line, and she should have 
directed replies to a more appropriate forum (a mailing list, another 
newsgroup, a web forum, anywhere but here). But in my opinion, it didn't 
cross the line into spam. I wouldn't be the slightest bit tempted to 
killfile her, or flag the message as spam, in my mail/news client.

If other people feel differently, well, that's your personal choice. But 
please don't try to tell me that *my* line between spam and ham is wrong, 
and that *yours* is the only correct one. 

(That last response is aimed at a generic You, not Ben specifically. 
Stupid English language, why can't we have a word for generic you?)


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Re: Spam from gmail

[Aahz]

In article <874ol65ep8@benfinney.id.au>,
Ben Finney   wrote:
>a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>> In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
>> Ben Finney   wrote:
>>>
>>>Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution
>>>(to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its content
>>>(off-topic and unsolicited).
>>
>> Moreover, by your definition, your post above counts as spam.
>
>No. Again, as several others have pointed out, discussions about how the
>forum should operate (meta-discussions, if you like) are on-topic in the
>forum.

We already agreed that the original post was not appropriate for c.l.py;
further discussion about the precise term for describing that post is
off-topic.  Therefore, by your definition, your post is spam.  My point
is that c.l.py is somewhat tolerant of off-topic posts, and generally
people who contribute to the newsgroup are more likely to get a pass on
off-topic posts.
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Robert Kern]

On 2010-02-24 18:39 PM, Ben Finney wrote:

Steve Holden  writes:


Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those "send these to
ten of your friends" emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well
be).


That excludes things like the religious screeds, or any other one-way
"get this message in front of as many eyeballs as possible" message.

Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's
commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that
it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients.


That said, in the context of USENET or mailing lists, a single off-topic post to 
a single group/list from a regular contributor is not usually considered "bulk 
messaging" or "spam". There is already a perfectly fine word for that: 
"off-topic". Only when it gets cross-posted excessively or repeated verbatim 
indiscriminately does it usually get designated spam.


I think there is an important distinction to be made between isolated off-topic 
messages and spam. It's not just about finding commonly agreed meanings of terms 
in aid of clear communication. There is a substantive difference. The repetitive 
nature of spam dictates what you can do about it. With spam, you can killfile 
people, or filter out certain hosts, or use statistical filters, or require 
registration or first-post moderation, etc. With the occasional off-topic post 
from a regular, you ask them not to do it again and subject them to unending 
threads about what spam is or isn't.


But you only break out the comfy chair for the very worst of the offenders.

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Ben Finney]

a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:

> In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
> Ben Finney   wrote:
> >Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution
> >(to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its content
> >(off-topic and unsolicited).
[…]

> Moreover, by your definition, your post above counts as spam.

No. Again, as several others have pointed out, discussions about how the
forum should operate (meta-discussions, if you like) are on-topic in the
forum.

That's not to say they should dominate the forum, of course.

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Ben Finney]

Steve Holden  writes:

> Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
> e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those "send these to
> ten of your friends" emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well
> be).

That excludes things like the religious screeds, or any other one-way
"get this message in front of as many eyeballs as possible" message.

Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's
commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that
it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients.

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Robert Kern]

On 2010-02-24 17:01 PM, Aahz wrote:

In article,
Steve Holden  wrote:



Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those "send these to ten
of your friends" emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well be).


That's roughly correct, but I also think that if someone posts the same
message to five mailing lists, it's not unreasonable to call that
spamming.


This accords with my understanding of the term and, it appears, that of 
Wikipedia:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Steve Holden]

Neil Hodgson wrote:
> Steve Holden:
> 
>> Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
>> e-mail.
> 
>Spam is more commonly defined as UBE (Unsolicited Bulk Email) of
> which UCE is a large subset. Its just as much spam if its pushing a
> political party or charity even though there may be no commercial
> advantage to the poster.

>From my point of view that's a far better definition. Thanks.

regards
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Neil Hodgson]

Steve Holden:

> Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
> e-mail.

   Spam is more commonly defined as UBE (Unsolicited Bulk Email) of
which UCE is a large subset. Its just as much spam if its pushing a
political party or charity even though there may be no commercial
advantage to the poster.

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Aahz]

In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
Ben Finney   wrote:
>a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>>
>> Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.
>
>Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its
>distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its
>content (off-topic and unsolicited).
>
>The message is important, its poster is a regular here; that doesn't
>stop the message being spam when posted here.

Moreover, by your definition, your post above counts as spam.
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Aahz]

In article ,
Steve Holden   wrote:
>Aahz wrote:
>> In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
>> Ben Finney   wrote:
>>> a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:

 Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.
>>>
>>> Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its
>>> distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its
>>> content (off-topic and unsolicited).
>>>
>>> The message is important, its poster is a regular here; that doesn't
>>> stop the message being spam when posted here.
>> 
>> That seems to miss the point to some extent.  If I post my recipe for
>> spinach lasagne here, is that spam?  I don't think many people would call
>> it spam, just an off-topic post.  From my POV, spam is defined a bit more
>> narrowly.
>
>Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
>e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those "send these to ten
>of your friends" emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well be).

That's roughly correct, but I also think that if someone posts the same
message to five mailing lists, it's not unreasonable to call that
spamming.
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Arnaud Delobelle]

a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:

> In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
> Ben Finney   wrote:
>>a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>>>
>>> Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.
>>
>>Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its
>>distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its
>>content (off-topic and unsolicited).
>>
>>The message is important, its poster is a regular here; that doesn't
>>stop the message being spam when posted here.
>
> That seems to miss the point to some extent.  If I post my recipe for
> spinach lasagne here, is that spam?

Are they really good?  Sounds good, spinach lasagne, I don't know a
recipe for them.  Maybe you could post it as Python code, with a lot of
nested if-then-else clauses, of course :)

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Re: Spam from gmail

[Steve Holden]

Aahz wrote:
> In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
> Ben Finney   wrote:
>> a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>>> Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.
>> Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its
>> distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its
>> content (off-topic and unsolicited).
>>
>> The message is important, its poster is a regular here; that doesn't
>> stop the message being spam when posted here.
> 
> That seems to miss the point to some extent.  If I post my recipe for
> spinach lasagne here, is that spam?  I don't think many people would call
> it spam, just an off-topic post.  From my POV, spam is defined a bit more
> narrowly.

Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial
e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those "send these to ten
of your friends" emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well be).

regards
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Aahz]

In article <87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au>,
Ben Finney   wrote:
>a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>>
>> Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.
>
>Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its
>distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its
>content (off-topic and unsolicited).
>
>The message is important, its poster is a regular here; that doesn't
>stop the message being spam when posted here.

That seems to miss the point to some extent.  If I post my recipe for
spinach lasagne here, is that spam?  I don't think many people would call
it spam, just an off-topic post.  From my POV, spam is defined a bit more
narrowly.
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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Robert Kern]

On 2010-02-23 22:09 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2010-02-24, Robert Kern  wrote:


comp.lang.python.spam_prevention_discussion


Which doesn't exist and never will. Sorry, but
meta-discussions about the group are typically on-topic for
all groups with some few exceptions (e.g.  non-discussion,
binary-only groups with associated .d groups, for instance).


Since now we are discussing meta-discussions, is this now a
meta-meta-discussion?


If you like, but I tend to interpret "meta-" as idempotent. It's easier on my 
aspirin budget.


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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-02-24, Robert Kern  wrote:

>> comp.lang.python.spam_prevention_discussion
>
> Which doesn't exist and never will. Sorry, but
> meta-discussions about the group are typically on-topic for
> all groups with some few exceptions (e.g.  non-discussion,
> binary-only groups with associated .d groups, for instance).

Since now we are discussing meta-discussions, is this now a
meta-meta-discussion?

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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Robert Kern]

On 2010-02-23 20:22 , Lie Ryan wrote:

On 02/24/10 12:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:


Hmm.  I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side.  I'll have
to look at that.  One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over
ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio.  I have always
felt that it was a mistake to gateway this group.


And this has to do with python programming in what way?



I think the question of whether or not comp.lang.python is being spammed,
and if so, what we can do about it, is a good question to raise on
comp.lang.python.

Where else do you think it should be discussed?


comp.lang.python.spam_prevention_discussion


Which doesn't exist and never will. Sorry, but meta-discussions about the group 
are typically on-topic for all groups with some few exceptions (e.g. 
non-discussion, binary-only groups with associated .d groups, for instance).


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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Lie Ryan]

On 02/24/10 12:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
> 
>>> Hmm.  I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side.  I'll have
>>> to look at that.  One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over
>>> ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio.  I have always
>>> felt that it was a mistake to gateway this group.
>>
>> And this has to do with python programming in what way?
> 
> 
> I think the question of whether or not comp.lang.python is being spammed, 
> and if so, what we can do about it, is a good question to raise on 
> comp.lang.python.
> 
> Where else do you think it should be discussed?

comp.lang.python.spam_prevention_discussion
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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:

>> Hmm.  I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side.  I'll have
>> to look at that.  One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over
>> ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio.  I have always
>> felt that it was a mistake to gateway this group.
> 
> And this has to do with python programming in what way?


I think the question of whether or not comp.lang.python is being spammed, 
and if so, what we can do about it, is a good question to raise on 
comp.lang.python.

Where else do you think it should be discussed?



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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Lie Ryan]

On 02/24/10 11:21, Aahz wrote:
> In article ,
> D'Arcy J.M. Cain  wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST)
>> Joan Miller  wrote:
>>>
>>> *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important*
>>
>> Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
>> increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all gmail
>> posts to this list?
> 
> Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.

Does being a regular poster exempts you from having your post considered
as spam? That's an
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Inverse_ad_hominem.
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Re: Spam from gmail

[Ben Finney]

a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:

> Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.

Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its
distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its
content (off-topic and unsolicited).

The message is important, its poster is a regular here; that doesn't
stop the message being spam when posted here.

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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Aahz]

In article ,
D'Arcy J.M. Cain  wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST)
>Joan Miller  wrote:
>>
>> *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important*
>
>Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
>increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all gmail
>posts to this list?

Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam.
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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Ned Deily]

In article <20100223182923.4d259d12.da...@druid.net>,
 "D'Arcy J.M. Cain"  wrote:
> And just to bring this back on topic, I did do a test and found that
> splitting my mailbox between Python mailing list messages and Python
> newsgroup messages did not indicate that that was a good barometer of
> spaminess.  There are also quite a few decent posts from gmail.com so
> blocking by that domain isn't going to be the problem solver either.

Try following the list using gmane (either via NNTP, RSS, or the web).  
gmane does a pretty good job of filtering the spam.

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general

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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Chris Colbert]

this image is appropriate:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pS7sKjlzwFg/SwhG1S901pI/Eiw/XSm93RIY2WE/s400/kelso-burn.jpg

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Daniel Fetchinson <
fetchin...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> >> >> Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
> >> >> increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all
> gmail
> >> >> posts to this list?
> >> >
> >> > I did that a long time ago for all of the Usenet groups I read
> >> > and all but one of the mailing lists I read.
> >>
> >> Wait, I misread the posting.  I block everything from
> >> google.groups, not everything from gmail.
> >
> > Yes, I did that a long time ago as well.  But now there seems to be
> > more and more actual spam coming from gmail.com itself.  It may just be
> > a minor blip on the spam graph but I'm keeping my eye on it.
> >
> > Most mailing lists that I am on are pretty good at filtering spam
> > before it gets to the list.  The only spam I ever see on my NetBSD
> > lists are the ones that I moderate and I block them before anyone else
> > sees them.  A little more pain for me in return for a lot less pain for
> > everyone else.  I guess that's not possible on a list that is gatewayed
> > to UseNet like this one is.
> >
> > Hmm.  I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side.  I'll have
> > to look at that.  One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over
> > ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio.  I have always
> > felt that it was a mistake to gateway this group.
>
> And this has to do with python programming in what way?
>
> You, sir, are incredibly funny :)
>
> Just 5 minutes ago you declared in a nearby thread that
>
> > It isn't about the Python programming language so it is off topic.  So
> > what if some members have an interest?  We have interest in a lot of
> > things.  We all have interest in the hardware that our programs run on
> > but questions about hardware are also off topic.
> >
> > Perhaps you don't quite grasp the point of topical discussion groups.
> > They are a way of letting individuals decide for themselves what kind
> > of discussions they want to be involved in.  By spamming the group this
> > way you take away that freedom of choice.  It's ironic when it is done
> > in the name of freedom.
>
> Touche!
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
>
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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100
Daniel Fetchinson  wrote:
> And this has to do with python programming in what way?

Are you new?  Meta discussions about lists are generally considered
on-topic for the list.

> You, sir, are incredibly funny :)

Yes, I am.  That however is NOT on topic.  :-)

And just to bring this back on topic, I did do a test and found that
splitting my mailbox between Python mailing list messages and Python
newsgroup messages did not indicate that that was a good barometer of
spaminess.  There are also quite a few decent posts from gmail.com so
blocking by that domain isn't going to be the problem solver either.

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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Daniel Fetchinson]

>> >> Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
>> >> increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all gmail
>> >> posts to this list?
>> >
>> > I did that a long time ago for all of the Usenet groups I read
>> > and all but one of the mailing lists I read.
>>
>> Wait, I misread the posting.  I block everything from
>> google.groups, not everything from gmail.
>
> Yes, I did that a long time ago as well.  But now there seems to be
> more and more actual spam coming from gmail.com itself.  It may just be
> a minor blip on the spam graph but I'm keeping my eye on it.
>
> Most mailing lists that I am on are pretty good at filtering spam
> before it gets to the list.  The only spam I ever see on my NetBSD
> lists are the ones that I moderate and I block them before anyone else
> sees them.  A little more pain for me in return for a lot less pain for
> everyone else.  I guess that's not possible on a list that is gatewayed
> to UseNet like this one is.
>
> Hmm.  I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side.  I'll have
> to look at that.  One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over
> ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio.  I have always
> felt that it was a mistake to gateway this group.

And this has to do with python programming in what way?

You, sir, are incredibly funny :)

Just 5 minutes ago you declared in a nearby thread that

> It isn't about the Python programming language so it is off topic.  So
> what if some members have an interest?  We have interest in a lot of
> things.  We all have interest in the hardware that our programs run on
> but questions about hardware are also off topic.
>
> Perhaps you don't quite grasp the point of topical discussion groups.
> They are a way of letting individuals decide for themselves what kind
> of discussions they want to be involved in.  By spamming the group this
> way you take away that freedom of choice.  It's ironic when it is done
> in the name of freedom.

Touche!

Cheers,
Daniel


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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:31:12 + (UTC)
Grant Edwards  wrote:
> >> Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
> >> increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all gmail
> >> posts to this list?
> >
> > I did that a long time ago for all of the Usenet groups I read
> > and all but one of the mailing lists I read.
> 
> Wait, I misread the posting.  I block everything from
> google.groups, not everything from gmail.

Yes, I did that a long time ago as well.  But now there seems to be
more and more actual spam coming from gmail.com itself.  It may just be
a minor blip on the spam graph but I'm keeping my eye on it.

Most mailing lists that I am on are pretty good at filtering spam
before it gets to the list.  The only spam I ever see on my NetBSD
lists are the ones that I moderate and I block them before anyone else
sees them.  A little more pain for me in return for a lot less pain for
everyone else.  I guess that's not possible on a list that is gatewayed
to UseNet like this one is.

Hmm.  I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side.  I'll have
to look at that.  One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over
ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio.  I have always
felt that it was a mistake to gateway this group.

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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-02-23, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2010-02-23, D'Arcy J.M. Cain  wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST)
>> Joan Miller  wrote:
>>> *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important*
>>
>> Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
>> increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all gmail
>> posts to this list?
>
> I did that a long time ago for all of the Usenet groups I read
> and all but one of the mailing lists I read.

Wait, I misread the posting.  I block everything from
google.groups, not everything from gmail.

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Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-02-23, D'Arcy J.M. Cain  wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST)
> Joan Miller  wrote:
>> *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important*
>
> Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically
> increased in the last week?  Anyone else considering blocking all gmail
> posts to this list?

I did that a long time ago for all of the Usenet groups I read
and all but one of the mailing lists I read.

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Re: Spam Bot, broken pipe

[Michael Torrie]

Someone Something wrote:
> I have a irc spam bot (only testing on my channel :P ) whose main loop is
> the following:

Poor choice of words on your part.  Anything spam-related is evil and
will not get a response.

That said, "IRC bots" are certainly okay and common, and are useful
tools.  Some are even written in Python.
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Re: Spam Bot, broken pipe

[Someone Something]

anyone?

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Someone Something wrote:

>
>
> I'm just testing it on my channel! I promise! Besides, I'm doing it to
> learn about sockets! Please!
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Krister Svanlund <
> krister.svanl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Someone Something 
>> wrote:
>> > I have a irc spam bot (only testing on my channel :P ) whose main loop
>> is
>> > the following:
>> >
>> > privc="PRIVMSG "+self.channel
>> > while True:
>> >  self.sock.send(privc=" :SPAM SPAM SPAM!");
>> >  time.sleep(2);
>> >
>> > And it gives an error "Broken Pipe".
>> > How can I fix this?
>>
>> By doing it right... unfortunaly I don't approve of spam and can
>> therefor not tell you how to do that.
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Spam reported

[Peter Pearson]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:06:50 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Grant Edwards  writes:
>> On 2009-10-20, Peter Pearson  wrote:
>>
>> > Reported to Google's groups-abuse.
>>
>> What are these postings supposed to mean?
>
> That the posting which started the thread (which you may or may not have
> seen, so it's good that Peter isn't quoting the original spam) has been
> reported to Google as an abuse of their service; so that others don't
> duplicate that effort.


Hmmm.  It didn't occur to me that my posts would be seen by
people to whom the spam posts were invisible.  That must indeed
look strange.

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