What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Steve Holden wrote: 'Scuse me? This group has a long history of off-topic posting, and anyway who decided that CPython should be the exclusive focus? Even on-topic we can talk about Jython and PyPy as well as CPython. I agree with your point, although Hans Nowak and others may not. Anything related to python or from the perspective of a current or potential python user is on-topic for this list. We can talk about logo, jython, java or other topics whenever and whereever we want. If you can't accept free speech and different perspectives, you're going to be disappointed. But please do not react by trying to intimidate and troll others here. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Doug Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can't accept free speech and different perspectives, you're going to be disappointed. But please do not react by trying to intimidate and troll others here. Weren't you the one telling the rest of us what's appropriate for this group? Maybe you should try to lead by example, not decree. Nick -- # sigmask || 0.2 || 20030107 || public domain || feed this to a python print reduce(lambda x,y:x+chr(ord(y)-1),' Ojdl!Wbshjti!=obwAcboefstobudi/psh?') -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Nick Vargish wrote: Doug Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can't accept free speech and different perspectives, you're going to be disappointed. But please do not react by trying to intimidate and troll others here. Weren't you the one telling the rest of us what's appropriate for this group? Maybe you should try to lead by example, not decree. I never did any such thing. Logo was my example. I was making a point in the logo example, which Steve Holden articulated. Hans Nowak and others were the ones unsuccessfully trying to control what people could talk about here. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Doug Holton wrote: Steve Holden wrote: 'Scuse me? This group has a long history of off-topic posting, and anyway who decided that CPython should be the exclusive focus? Even on-topic we can talk about Jython and PyPy as well as CPython. I agree with your point, although Hans Nowak and others may not. Anything related to python or from the perspective of a current or potential python user is on-topic for this list. We can talk about logo, jython, java or other topics whenever and whereever we want. If you can't accept free speech and different perspectives, you're going to be disappointed. But please do not react by trying to intimidate and troll others here. Now you're trying to make it seem like I am against free speech on this list, and against people's rights to discuss whatever they want. I never said that, and I in fact enjoy the fact that c.l.py posters are an eclectic bunch who have knowledge of, and like to talk about, a great number of topics. Boo is not related to Python. Aside from a superficial resemblence, it's not like Python at all. In spite of that, you would have been welcome to post about it (and still are), if it wasn't for your earlier behavior... claiming to a newbie that Boo is virtually identical to Python (http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/0c266cf441a46081), then calling people who question that claim trolls, and pretending that you said Boo's syntax is virtually identical all along. That is what got you into hot water with a few posters here (and more and more as you keep calling people names and putting words in their mouths). This is also what inspired my this is comp.lang.python, not comp.lang.boo remark. People didn't take offense at the fact that you discussed Boo here, but at how you did it. Funny; *you* are the one who keeps spreading misinformation, first of a technical nature, then about people. Yet you have the nerve to call other people trolls? -- Hans Nowak http://zephyrfalcon.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Hans Nowak wrote: Now you're trying to make it seem like I am against free speech on this list, and against people's rights to discuss whatever they want. I never said that, and I in fact enjoy the fact that c.l.py posters are an eclectic bunch who have knowledge of, and like to talk about, a great number of topics. You said that boo should not be mentioned on this newsgroup. That is a fact. You cannot and should not try to dictate any standard for what can and cannot be said in this forum, other than what I already suggested in the quote below: Anything related to python or from the perspective of a current or potential python user is on-topic for this list. We can talk about logo, jython, java or other topics whenever and whereever we want. If you can't accept free speech and different perspectives, you're going to be disappointed. Sorry to disappoint. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Doug Holton wrote: Hans Nowak wrote: Now you're trying to make it seem like I am against free speech on this list, and against people's rights to discuss whatever they want. I never said that, and I in fact enjoy the fact that c.l.py posters are an eclectic bunch who have knowledge of, and like to talk about, a great number of topics. You said that boo should not be mentioned on this newsgroup. Please point me to the post where I said that. Since everything is stored in Google Groups, it should be easy for you to come up with an URL... if such a post existed. -- Hans Nowak http://zephyrfalcon.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Hans Nowak wrote: You said that boo should not be mentioned on this newsgroup. Please point me to the post where I said that. Since everything is stored in Google Groups, it should be easy for you to come up with an URL... if such a post existed. Quote: this is comp.lang.python, not comp.lang.boo. This is not comp.lang.logo, either, but discussing it from the point of view of a python user is perfectly acceptable. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Hans Nowak wrote: Quote: this is comp.lang.python, not comp.lang.boo. Which is obviously not the same as Boo should not be mentioned on this newsgroup. I used the exact same phrase in another note except using the term logo instead of boo, and that is the exact interpretation I immediately received from others - they felt I was censuring the discussion here, as I felt you were. The discussion with Logo and other languages in it was off-topic too, but it wasn't offensive to anyone. I'm not going to dignify that or the rest of your note with a response. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Doug Holton wrote: Hans Nowak wrote: Quote: this is comp.lang.python, not comp.lang.boo. Which is obviously not the same as Boo should not be mentioned on this newsgroup. I used the exact same phrase in another note except using the term logo instead of boo, and that is the exact interpretation I immediately received from others - they felt I was censuring the discussion here, as I felt you were. Non sequitur. The phrase's interpretation depends on the posting(s) it refers to. Reinhold -- [Windows ist wie] die Bahn: Man muss sich um nichts kuemmern, zahlt fuer jede Kleinigkeit einen Aufpreis, der Service ist mies, Fremde koennen jederzeit einsteigen, es ist unflexibel und zu allen anderen Verkehrs- mitteln inkompatibel. -- Florian Diesch in dcoulm -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Doug Holton wrote: Hans Nowak wrote: Quote: this is comp.lang.python, not comp.lang.boo. Which is obviously not the same as Boo should not be mentioned on this newsgroup. I used the exact same phrase in another note except using the term logo instead of boo, and that is the exact interpretation I immediately received from others - they felt I was censuring the discussion here, as I felt you were. Maybe they felt that way because, in your case, it was followed by the innocent little sentence Please refrain from discussing topics not related to CPython.? The discussion with Logo and other languages in it was off-topic too, but it wasn't offensive to anyone. I'm not going to dignify that or the rest of your note with a response. No, by all means, let's ignore any pieces of a post that might lead to constructive discussion. Well, it's been fun, but I really don't have time for this. If we cannot end this thread with some kind of mutual understanding, then I will end it unilaterally. You have the dubious honor of being the first person in my killfile since 1997. -- Hans Nowak http://zephyrfalcon.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Hans Nowak wrote: The discussion with Logo and other languages in it was off-topic too, but it wasn't offensive to anyone. I'm not going to dignify that or the rest of your note with a response. No, by all means, let's ignore any pieces of a post that might lead to constructive discussion. Well, it's been fun, but I really don't have time for this. If we cannot end this thread with some kind of mutual understanding, then I will end it unilaterally. You have the dubious honor of being the first person in my killfile since 1997. You've yet again confirmed that your only point in this whole thread was to be disrepectful and complain about what offends you. And you end it with yet more parting insults. If you had better articulated what you really meant at the beginning, I never would have responded to you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: Non sequitur. The phrase's interpretation depends on the posting(s) it refers to. Exactly. He was saying boo (and/or I) am offensive, but logo is not. And then he apologized for misleading me to believe he was censuring me instead of flaming me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is on-topic for the python list [was Re: BASIC vs Python]
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Holton wrote: I'm not going to dignify that or the rest of your note with a response. Please stop dignifying the whole group, then. Seconded. This is an extremely undignified newsgroup. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ 19. A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing. --Alan Perlis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
