Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

2023-09-20 Thread Emma Hain via QGIS-Developer 
I think this looks good Nick, could we also put in a link to the QGIS hub
page and to where our links to the users groups are so that sorta provides
some 'support'.
Sorta off topic:
I recently got contacted by someone letting me know they donated so they
could get support - they thought I was the help desk for QGIS...Maybe this
is an indication of some UX/UI is required to send people to our support
pages???

Cheers
Em

On Thu, 21 Sept 2023 at 01:07, Nick Bearman via QGIS-Developer <
qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> Thanks for highlighting this Andreas.
>
> If I might suggest a tweak to the popup layout:
>
> Thank you!
>
> Your freshly baked copy of QGIS is downloading. (Make this line bold and
> add a paragraph before the next bit)
>
> QGIS is free of charge, and will always be free of charge if downloaded
> from QGIS.org. (and another break here)
>
> If you can afford to support the project and people making this software,
> please consider making a small donation to support our efforts. Whether you
> choose to donate or not, we hope that you enjoy using our labour of love
> and encourage you to share and spread your downloaded copy far and wide so
> that others may enjoy it too. Our very best regards!
>
> The QGIS Team
>
> This might make it a bit more obvious. What do you think?
>
> (I will leave those who are more technical than me to discuss download
> speed issues).
>
> Best wishes,
> Nick.
> On 9/20/23 08:19, Johannes Kröger (WhereGroup) via QGIS-Developer wrote:
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> ouch!
>
> Javascript is not required for the download. If it is disabled, all OS
> options are expanded and the big green buttons directly point to the files
> anyways. The "donate" popup is only triggered in addition to the normal
> link click (if javascript is enabled).
>
> If the users really just not realise that a download has started, maybe
> making the text that says that QGIS is being downloaded bold on the
> "donate" popup might help? The popup might just be too intrusive and
> distracting even.
>
> Some sites use images to point their users towards the browser's download
> manager, maybe there is a freely available library that does this for all
> kinds of browsers and screens?
>
> Downloads are often painfully slow though and might even time out in bad
> cases I guess. Having some more/faster download mirrors might help. The
> osgeo.org mirror is often unusable (I think it is that mirror that most
> often causes issues, norbit.de usually seems fine for me - from Germany
> though...). Here is one story of a user in South Korea:
> https://fosstodon.org/@ianthetechie/110943928875054838
>
> Maybe users see super slow or failing downloads and think that it is a
> matter of donation.
>
> I am aware of download.osgeo.org and norbit.de mirrors, are there more?
> It would probably be a good idea to have one in Asia and maybe one in
> Africa, depending on the routing. At least for Asia OVH has cheap offers
> that might just be good enough.
>
> PS, if a CDN (probably overkill) would be considered: I am strongly
> against using Cloudflare as they are a global surveillance opportunity for
> the US and we would all be stupid not to assume that any traffic going
> through them is logged by three letter agencies. We should not participate
> in that kind of centralisation. There are alternatives like
> https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare . I would
> happily research a good choice.
>
>
> Could you try to find out more details about why they get so confused?
>
> Cheers, Hannes
>
>
> Am 20.09.23 um 08:50 schrieb Andreas Neumann via QGIS-Developer:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Recently (past 1-4 months) I get a lot of emails at fina...@qgis.org from
> people who say that they donated but then could not download QGIS. I think
> I got at least 40-50 such emails until now.
>
> Sometimes they ask: how many times do I have to donate until I can
> download QGIS?
>
> I then explain them that donations are optional, often direct them to the
> direct download page - and I tell them that downloads may take longer.
>
> I believe that many users aren't aware that QGIS is downloading "in the
> background". Because the QGIS downloads are rather large this can take
> several minutes ...
> Or may there be other problems with downloads? Does it require Javascript
> to be enabled?
>
> I wonder if we can display some hint that QGIS is downloaded "in the
> background" and can take a while to download 
>
> I believe this is because many users don't know how their browsers work
> with the downloads of large files ...
>
> Is there anything we can do to inform users and enhance the download
> experience - so that I don't get that many emails?
>
> Thank you for your replies,
> Andreas
>
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> QGIS.ORG board member (treasurer)
>
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[QGIS-Developer] QGIS 3D and Graphics Card Requirements

2023-09-20 Thread Catania, Luke A ERDC-RDE-GRL-VA CIV via QGIS-Developer 
Anyone out there working with QGIS 3D?

I am looking to get a new Dell laptop with i9 processor and 64GB memory and 
wondering what the minimum requirements for working with QGIS 3D is.  I had a 
coworker who could not run 3D on his laptop assume due to his lower end 
graphics card.  I don't offhand know what the spec's on his machine are.

I am looking at a Dell 7780 or 7680 with either NVIDIA RTX 5000 Ada 16GB GDDR6 
video card or the RTX 4000 Ada 12GB GDDR6 video card.

Wondering if the higher end card buys me much better performance and is worth 
the hit on battery life.

Luke
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

2023-09-20 Thread Nick Bearman via QGIS-Developer 

Thanks for highlighting this Andreas.

If I might suggest a tweak to the popup layout:

Thank you!

Your freshly baked copy of QGIS is downloading. (Make this line bold and 
add a paragraph before the next bit)


QGIS is free of charge, and will always be free of charge if downloaded 
from QGIS.org. (and another break here)


If you can afford to support the project and people making this 
software, please consider making a small donation to support our 
efforts. Whether you choose to donate or not, we hope that you enjoy 
using our labour of love and encourage you to share and spread your 
downloaded copy far and wide so that others may enjoy it too. Our very 
best regards!


The QGIS Team

This might make it a bit more obvious. What do you think?

(I will leave those who are more technical than me to discuss download 
speed issues).


Best wishes,
Nick.

On 9/20/23 08:19, Johannes Kröger (WhereGroup) via QGIS-Developer wrote:


Hi Andreas,

ouch!

Javascript is not required for the download. If it is disabled, all OS 
options are expanded and the big green buttons directly point to the 
files anyways. The "donate" popup is only triggered in addition to the 
normal link click (if javascript is enabled).


If the users really just not realise that a download has started, 
maybe making the text that says that QGIS is being downloaded bold on 
the "donate" popup might help? The popup might just be too intrusive 
and distracting even.


Some sites use images to point their users towards the browser's 
download manager, maybe there is a freely available library that does 
this for all kinds of browsers and screens?


Downloads are often painfully slow though and might even time out in 
bad cases I guess. Having some more/faster download mirrors might 
help. The osgeo.org mirror is often unusable (I think it is that 
mirror that most often causes issues, norbit.de usually seems fine for 
me - from Germany though...). Here is one story of a user in South 
Korea: https://fosstodon.org/@ianthetechie/110943928875054838


Maybe users see super slow or failing downloads and think that it is a 
matter of donation.


I am aware of download.osgeo.org and norbit.de mirrors, are there 
more? It would probably be a good idea to have one in Asia and maybe 
one in Africa, depending on the routing. At least for Asia OVH has 
cheap offers that might just be good enough.


PS, if a CDN (probably overkill) would be considered: I am strongly 
against using Cloudflare as they are a global surveillance opportunity 
for the US and we would all be stupid not to assume that any traffic 
going through them is logged by three letter agencies. We should not 
participate in that kind of centralisation. There are alternatives 
like https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare . I 
would happily research a good choice.



Could you try to find out more details about why they get so confused?

Cheers, Hannes


Am 20.09.23 um 08:50 schrieb Andreas Neumann via QGIS-Developer:

Hi all,

Recently (past 1-4 months) I get a lot of emails at fina...@qgis.org 
from people who say that they donated but then could not download 
QGIS. I think I got at least 40-50 such emails until now.


Sometimes they ask: how many times do I have to donate until I can 
download QGIS?


I then explain them that donations are optional, often direct them to 
the direct download page - and I tell them that downloads may take 
longer.


I believe that many users aren't aware that QGIS is downloading "in 
the background". Because the QGIS downloads are rather large this can 
take several minutes ...
Or may there be other problems with downloads? Does it require 
Javascript to be enabled?


I wonder if we can display some hint that QGIS is downloaded "in the 
background" and can take a while to download 


I believe this is because many users don't know how their browsers 
work with the downloads of large files ...


Is there anything we can do to inform users and enhance the download 
experience - so that I don't get that many emails?


Thank you for your replies,
Andreas

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

2023-09-20 Thread Tobias Wendorff via QGIS-Developer 
Offtopic

Ironically, most of the „European“ CDN „providers“ use cloud servers of 
US-based services. Although the privacy agreement is negotiated with a European 
one, logging probably still takes place on the remote side.

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> Am 20.09.2023 um 09:20 schrieb Johannes Kröger via QGIS-Developer 
> :
> 
> PS, if a CDN (probably overkill) would be considered: I am strongly against 
> using Cloudflare as they are a global surveillance opportunity for the US and 
> we would all be stupid not to assume that any traffic going through them is 
> logged by three letter agencies. We should not participate in that kind of 
> centralisation. There are alternatives like 
> https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare . I would happily 
> research a good choice.
> 
> 
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

2023-09-20 Thread WhereGroup 

Hi Andreas,

ouch!

Javascript is not required for the download. If it is disabled, all OS 
options are expanded and the big green buttons directly point to the 
files anyways. The "donate" popup is only triggered in addition to the 
normal link click (if javascript is enabled).


If the users really just not realise that a download has started, maybe 
making the text that says that QGIS is being downloaded bold on the 
"donate" popup might help? The popup might just be too intrusive and 
distracting even.


Some sites use images to point their users towards the browser's 
download manager, maybe there is a freely available library that does 
this for all kinds of browsers and screens?


Downloads are often painfully slow though and might even time out in bad 
cases I guess. Having some more/faster download mirrors might help. The 
osgeo.org mirror is often unusable (I think it is that mirror that most 
often causes issues, norbit.de usually seems fine for me - from Germany 
though...). Here is one story of a user in South Korea: 
https://fosstodon.org/@ianthetechie/110943928875054838


Maybe users see super slow or failing downloads and think that it is a 
matter of donation.


I am aware of download.osgeo.org and norbit.de mirrors, are there more? 
It would probably be a good idea to have one in Asia and maybe one in 
Africa, depending on the routing. At least for Asia OVH has cheap offers 
that might just be good enough.


PS, if a CDN (probably overkill) would be considered: I am strongly 
against using Cloudflare as they are a global surveillance opportunity 
for the US and we would all be stupid not to assume that any traffic 
going through them is logged by three letter agencies. We should not 
participate in that kind of centralisation. There are alternatives like 
https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare . I would 
happily research a good choice.



Could you try to find out more details about why they get so confused?

Cheers, Hannes


Am 20.09.23 um 08:50 schrieb Andreas Neumann via QGIS-Developer:

Hi all,

Recently (past 1-4 months) I get a lot of emails at fina...@qgis.org 
from people who say that they donated but then could not download 
QGIS. I think I got at least 40-50 such emails until now.


Sometimes they ask: how many times do I have to donate until I can 
download QGIS?


I then explain them that donations are optional, often direct them to 
the direct download page - and I tell them that downloads may take longer.


I believe that many users aren't aware that QGIS is downloading "in 
the background". Because the QGIS downloads are rather large this can 
take several minutes ...
Or may there be other problems with downloads? Does it require 
Javascript to be enabled?


I wonder if we can display some hint that QGIS is downloaded "in the 
background" and can take a while to download 


I believe this is because many users don't know how their browsers 
work with the downloads of large files ...


Is there anything we can do to inform users and enhance the download 
experience - so that I don't get that many emails?


Thank you for your replies,
Andreas

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[QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

2023-09-20 Thread Andreas Neumann via QGIS-Developer 
Hi all,

Recently (past 1-4 months) I get a lot of emails at fina...@qgis.org from
people who say that they donated but then could not download QGIS. I think
I got at least 40-50 such emails until now.

Sometimes they ask: how many times do I have to donate until I can download
QGIS?

I then explain them that donations are optional, often direct them to the
direct download page - and I tell them that downloads may take longer.

I believe that many users aren't aware that QGIS is downloading "in the
background". Because the QGIS downloads are rather large this can take
several minutes ...
Or may there be other problems with downloads? Does it require Javascript
to be enabled?

I wonder if we can display some hint that QGIS is downloaded "in the
background" and can take a while to download 

I believe this is because many users don't know how their browsers work
with the downloads of large files ...

Is there anything we can do to inform users and enhance the download
experience - so that I don't get that many emails?

Thank you for your replies,
Andreas

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QGIS.ORG board member (treasurer)
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