Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
In the educational institution where I am based, they have web filtering. Although there is no trouble in pinging keyserver.ubuntu.com, these apt-key commands always time out when attempting to access any of a number of different keyservers. I can only assume it uses a particular port, and that port is blocked. On 27/09/17 23:07, Andreas Wicht wrote: On 27 September 2017 at 11:51, Patrick Dunford wrote: In this case, that command times out. That is very odd. I just tested it here on my system and that command works flawlessly - no timeouts. $ apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160 Executing: /tmp/tmp.Umh6NXIiDM/gpg.1.sh --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160 gpg: requesting key 314DF160 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: key 314DF160: "Launchpad ubuntugis-stable" not changed gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: unchanged: 1 I installed a third party program that got the key from somewhere else. This key was not required at the time the software was first installed but has since been imposed. I also experienced that. I always assumed that they change the key from time to time as it happens frequently to me. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
We have tried to build everything on experimental ppa before we move the packages to unstable ppa (and when we move packages to unstable we send an e-mail to the QGIS packagers to rebuild their repo). Unfortunately not all UbuntuGIS packagers wait until they publish on unstable, so things like that might happen. Best, Angelos On 09/28/2017 12:16 AM, Patrick Dunford wrote: Isn't there possibly an option not to release packages for xenial and older until it's tested that ubuntugis works. As it only affects these older versions. I can sympathise with OPs as I have been caught many times forgetting to comment out the repos in sources.list and unexpectedly being updated to a later qgis version that breaks something :) On 28/09/17 06:08, Andre Joost wrote: Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M: My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update is available. In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, it would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers could do for it now. So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14 may live longer. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- Angelos Tzotsos, PhD Charter Member Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
On 09/28/2017 03:31 PM, Andre Joost wrote: Am 27.09.2017 um 19:21 schrieb Alex M: Ah that makes sense, if qgis.org builds against ubuntugis, then GRASS updates will always cause this, since a rebuild of qgis.org is not triggered. The same applies to GDAl (and maybe PROJ if the planned improvements come on the way). > > Seems like some logistics could be worked out. > As a end-user-friendly solution, it would be great if ubuntugis could leave a copy of the last build on the server. This could be limited to the most-critical packages. This works good in OSGEO4W in case any package causes unwanted corruption. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unfortunately this is not supported by Launchpad. Only one version is in "published" state. Cheers, Angelos -- Angelos Tzotsos, PhD Charter Member Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 27.09.2017 um 19:21 schrieb Alex M: Ah that makes sense, if qgis.org builds against ubuntugis, then GRASS updates will always cause this, since a rebuild of qgis.org is not triggered. The same applies to GDAl (and maybe PROJ if the planned improvements come on the way). > > Seems like some logistics could be worked out. > As a end-user-friendly solution, it would be great if ubuntugis could leave a copy of the last build on the server. This could be limited to the most-critical packages. This works good in OSGEO4W in case any package causes unwanted corruption. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Isn't there possibly an option not to release packages for xenial and older until it's tested that ubuntugis works. As it only affects these older versions. I can sympathise with OPs as I have been caught many times forgetting to comment out the repos in sources.list and unexpectedly being updated to a later qgis version that breaks something :) On 28/09/17 06:08, Andre Joost wrote: Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M: My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update is available. In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, it would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers could do for it now. So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14 may live longer. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Hi Alex On 09/27/2017 07:57 PM, Alex M wrote: On 09/26/2017 01:36 AM, Micha Silver wrote: After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no provider. Micha, I can at least explain why this has happened in the past. When a new version of QGIS or GRASS comes out, all the dependencies in the repo need to be rebuilt. It's somewhat circular too with the link between grass, gdal and QGIS. This can take a few days. Until then the package versions are not quite in sync. You could say it's a design flaw of Launchpad, there's no wait until all the packages in the repo are rebuilt before pushing feature. I know Sebastian and Angelos try to build all in the Test repo and then copy over to Unstable. But sometimes that just doesn't go smoothly. Thanks for clarifying. The place to report issues is the ubuntugis mailing list ubu...@lists.osgeo.org on https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu Andre has already entered a ticket in trac. My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update is available. No problem. I'm confident that this will get ironed out soon. Thanks, Alex -- Micha Silver Ben Gurion Univ. Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab cell: +972-523-665918 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
On 09/27/2017 10:08 AM, Andre Joost wrote: > Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M: > >> My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update >> shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update >> is available. >> > > In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got > updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, it > would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers could > do for it now. > > So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14 may live longer. > > Greetings, > André Joost > > Ah that makes sense, if qgis.org builds against ubuntugis, then GRASS updates will always cause this, since a rebuild of qgis.org is not triggered. Seems like some logistics could be worked out. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M: My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update is available. In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, it would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers could do for it now. So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14 may live longer. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
On 09/26/2017 01:36 AM, Micha Silver wrote: > After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and > no > provider. > > My apt sources includes: > deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main > deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial > main > > The packages are installed: > $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass > ii qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 > > GRASS plugin for QGIS > ii qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis > all GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data > $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass > ii qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis > amd64GRASS provider for QGIS > > More info: > $ gdalinfo --version > GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23 > $ grass --version > GRASS GIS 7.2.2 > > Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual. > > This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade trashes > GRASS support. > > Any suggestions are welcome, > Thanks, Micha > > -- > Micha Silver > Ben Gurion Univ. > Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab > cell: +972-523-665918 > Micha, I can at least explain why this has happened in the past. When a new version of QGIS or GRASS comes out, all the dependencies in the repo need to be rebuilt. It's somewhat circular too with the link between grass, gdal and QGIS. This can take a few days. Until then the package versions are not quite in sync. You could say it's a design flaw of Launchpad, there's no wait until all the packages in the repo are rebuilt before pushing feature. I know Sebastian and Angelos try to build all in the Test repo and then copy over to Unstable. But sometimes that just doesn't go smoothly. The place to report issues is the ubuntugis mailing list ubu...@lists.osgeo.org on https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update is available. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 27.09.2017 um 11:19 schrieb Patrick Dunford: There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis repositories (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on where the key can be obtained. If you talkabout the ubuntugis ppa, you can read the instructions on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ by clicking on "Technical details about this ppa", than "What is this?" The way to get the key for QGIS repos (ubuntugis and debian) is described here: https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu following "Alternatively you can download ". HTH, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Hi, If documentation on the website is missing, we will be very happy to get a pull request for a homepage update from anyone. https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/edit/master/source/site/forusers/alldownloads.rst Thanks a lot! Matthias On 09/27/2017 11:50 AM, Andreas Wicht wrote: > On 27 September 2017 at 11:19, Patrick Dunford > wrote: >> There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis repositories >> (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on where the key can >> be obtained. > > That would be a general approach to get a missing key: > > $ apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160 > ___ > Qgis-user mailing list > Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
On 27 September 2017 at 11:19, Patrick Dunford wrote: > There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis repositories > (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on where the key can > be obtained. That would be a general approach to get a missing key: $ apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis repositories (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on where the key can be obtained. On 27/09/17 19:30, Andre Joost wrote: Am 26.09.2017 um 21:04 schrieb Patrick Dunford: If you can actually state where abouts in the Ubuntugis repository the actual packages that will make 2.18.13 work on Ubuntu 16.04 are because they are not in the regular Ubuntugis repository. GRASS 7.2.1 for xenial is now in the Ubuntugis (stable) PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ Unfortunately, you need libgdal-grass as well, but this is built on GDAL 2.1.3, but QGIS is built on GDAL 2.2.1. If you force the older GDAL, QGIS will get removed, so the situation is dead-locked for now. You may wait to let the devs fix it, or switch to the QGIS debian repo (returning to GDAL 1.11.3). HTH, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 26.09.2017 um 21:04 schrieb Patrick Dunford: If you can actually state where abouts in the Ubuntugis repository the actual packages that will make 2.18.13 work on Ubuntu 16.04 are because they are not in the regular Ubuntugis repository. GRASS 7.2.1 for xenial is now in the Ubuntugis (stable) PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ Unfortunately, you need libgdal-grass as well, but this is built on GDAL 2.1.3, but QGIS is built on GDAL 2.2.1. If you force the older GDAL, QGIS will get removed, so the situation is dead-locked for now. You may wait to let the devs fix it, or switch to the QGIS debian repo (returning to GDAL 1.11.3). HTH, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
I have tested on 16.04 and GRASS plugin does not work on Qgis 2.18.13 on Ubuntu Xenial with the Ubuntugis packages, just as it was reported at the top of this thread. That is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, not any derivative like Linux Mint. The reason the newer versions work for GRASS is they don't need Ubuntugis because the packages are included. If you can actually state where abouts in the Ubuntugis repository the actual packages that will make 2.18.13 work on Ubuntu 16.04 are because they are not in the regular Ubuntugis repository. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 26.09.2017 um 15:30 schrieb Patrick Dunford: The issue with support for Xenial is not directly a Qgis responsibility. It is relying on (a) the lack of support from the Ubuntu official repositories and (b) the lack of timely updating of the third party Ubuntugis repository. Neither of those is under the control of Qgis. For that reason, QGIS has a debian repo that works without any ubuntugis stuff. But you will not have GDAL 2.x on Xenial, and only GDAL 2.1 on zesty. The only versions of Qgis that require Ubuntugis are those built for Xenial and earlier versions of Ubuntu. It is not required for later versions of Ubuntu as the required packages are included in those distros standard repositories. Ubuntugis only supports Ubuntu LTS versions: currently precise, trusty and Xenial. They provide up-to-date GDAL and other packages that don't get updated on the main Ubuntu repo for variuos reasons. Newer versions of Ubuntu have newer versions of GIS packages. So if you have an issue that is caused by Ubuntugis then one possible solution is to have a distro that is based with a later version of Ubuntu than Xenial. Linux Mint 18.x is based on Xenial. When Mint was first launched they used to be up to date with releases based on up to date Ubuntus, now they are falling so far behind that the latest Mint, 18.x, is based on Xenial. Linux Mint usually takes every ubuntu LTS version, and applies their stuff on that. Since Xenial, Ubuntu has released Yakkety, Zesty and is about to release Artful. These are non-LTS, with only half-year support. Linux Mint has released 18.1 and 18.2 in the meantime, so no "falling behind". I have verified that Qgis 2.18.13 runs without any problems with this GRASS plugin on Ubuntu 17.04 and Debian 9.1. None of these require Ubuntugis and I have not used it in the list of repositories for installing the software from. But you are at GRASS 7.2.0 and GDAL 2.1.2. These are "falling behind" the current sources of those packages. Ubuntugis is designed to offer the latest GIS builds for Ubuntu LTS versions. To solve your problem you have basically three choices 1. Install a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian on your PC 2. Install a desktop hypervisor like VirtualBox and build a virtual machine for a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian to run Qgis in 3. Wait until Ubuntugis works. Ubuntugis **works**. It has GRASS 7.2.2 since 2017-09-19. QGIS 2.18.13 was released 2017-09-18, At the time, GDAL 7.2.1 was the current GRASS version in the ubuntugis unstable ppa. At the moment, you can get GRASS 7.2.1 from Ubuntugis **stable**, but you need to downgrade GDAL to 2.1.3 too. I don't see particularly a problem with recommending either 1 or 2 as options, just because Ubuntu is supporting Xenial as an LTS doesn't mean everything available is guaranteed to work on it. That's the expected behaviour of a LTS. The fact you have to use ubuntigis is because the standard Ubuntu repositories don't contain the required packages. There are other issues with the Xenial packages for Qgis, including an older version of Qt on that platform that causes rounding issues when displaying floating point numbers. Feel free to contact the developers or report a bug if you are still concerned. Done: https://issues.qgis.org/issues/17202 You may also wish to contact the ubuntugis maintainers. No need for that, Ubuntugis packages work at the moment. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 26.09.2017 um 14:50 schrieb Micha Silver: Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the recommended repo for ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's where all the recent packages are. Not quite:There is one toolchain with Ubuntugis and one without (debian): https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5 years old - is not going to be supported. Xenial is the current Ubuntu LTS, and will be til next year. Greetings, André Joost ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
You have cited that the issue is with Ubuntugis. Ubuntugis is not hosted by Qgis, and they have therefore no direct control over the versions of packages there. Hence the packages there are causing issues. The issue with support for Xenial is not directly a Qgis responsibility. It is relying on (a) the lack of support from the Ubuntu official repositories and (b) the lack of timely updating of the third party Ubuntugis repository. Neither of those is under the control of Qgis. The question is whether the LTS support for Ubuntu 16.04 is a guarantee that every available piece of software will work on it for the LTS period. I doubt that is absolutely guaranteed. The only versions of Qgis that require Ubuntugis are those built for Xenial and earlier versions of Ubuntu. It is not required for later versions of Ubuntu as the required packages are included in those distros standard repositories. So if you have an issue that is caused by Ubuntugis then one possible solution is to have a distro that is based with a later version of Ubuntu than Xenial. Linux Mint 18.x is based on Xenial. When Mint was first launched they used to be up to date with releases based on up to date Ubuntus, now they are falling so far behind that the latest Mint, 18.x, is based on Xenial. Since Xenial, Ubuntu has released Yakkety, Zesty and is about to release Artful. I have verified that Qgis 2.18.13 runs without any problems with this GRASS plugin on Ubuntu 17.04 and Debian 9.1. None of these require Ubuntugis and I have not used it in the list of repositories for installing the software from. To solve your problem you have basically three choices 1. Install a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian on your PC 2. Install a desktop hypervisor like VirtualBox and build a virtual machine for a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian to run Qgis in 3. Wait until Ubuntugis works. I don't see particularly a problem with recommending either 1 or 2 as options, just because Ubuntu is supporting Xenial as an LTS doesn't mean everything available is guaranteed to work on it. The fact you have to use ubuntigis is because the standard Ubuntu repositories don't contain the required packages. There are other issues with the Xenial packages for Qgis, including an older version of Qt on that platform that causes rounding issues when displaying floating point numbers. Feel free to contact the developers or report a bug if you are still concerned. You may also wish to contact the ubuntugis maintainers. On 27/09/17 01:50, Micha Silver wrote: Hi Patrick On 09/26/2017 02:10 PM, Patrick Dunford wrote: The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on Xenial - you don't have the means to upgrade the base. If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I don't need to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved. Qgis do not provide the ubuntugis repository so they obviously have limited means to ensure the packages there are up to date. So the best solution is not to use ubuntugis if there are issues like this. Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the recommended repo for ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's where all the recent packages are. There are tons of mails in the archive regarding ubuntugis-unstable vs ubuntugis-nightly vs ubuntugis. But the discussion is always around ubuntugis. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If I remove that repo (from Mint or Ubuntu) I go back to QGIS 2.14.x, which is now no longer the LTS version, and will probably not be supported any longer. I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5 years old - is not going to be supported. Many people don't need or want the bleeding edge software, be we do expect that an OS and applications will work for several years. All we ask is not to push out new versions until the whole stack is ready. Since this problem with GRASS has happened before and always has been fixed within a few days, it's obvious to me that somehow packages are pushed out to the repo before the whole system has been checked thoroughly. So I don't think there's a problem with the underlying OS, or which repo to use. Best regards, Micha There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there and the most stable option is to use a supported distro. On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote: Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford : There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see. I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version. I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Hi Patrick On 09/26/2017 02:10 PM, Patrick Dunford wrote: The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on Xenial - you don't have the means to upgrade the base. If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I don't need to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved. Qgis do not provide the ubuntugis repository so they obviously have limited means to ensure the packages there are up to date. So the best solution is not to use ubuntugis if there are issues like this. Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the recommended repo for ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's where all the recent packages are. There are tons of mails in the archive regarding ubuntugis-unstable vs ubuntugis-nightly vs ubuntugis. But the discussion is always around ubuntugis. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If I remove that repo (from Mint or Ubuntu) I go back to QGIS 2.14.x, which is now no longer the LTS version, and will probably not be supported any longer. I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5 years old - is not going to be supported. Many people don't need or want the bleeding edge software, be we do expect that an OS and applications will work for several years. All we ask is not to push out new versions until the whole stack is ready. Since this problem with GRASS has happened before and always has been fixed within a few days, it's obvious to me that somehow packages are pushed out to the repo before the whole system has been checked thoroughly. So I don't think there's a problem with the underlying OS, or which repo to use. Best regards, Micha There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there and the most stable option is to use a supported distro. On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote: Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford : There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see. I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version. I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling behind in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity controversy. Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point switching to somewhere else. The main problem here is imho that ubuntugis-unstable and the qgis repositories are very often out of sync. But a QGIS without all the bells and whistles from ubuntugis is quite useless for me. Cheers Bernd On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote: After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no provider. My apt sources includes: deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main The packages are installed: $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass ii qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS plugin for QGIS ii qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass ii qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS provider for QGIS More info: $ gdalinfo --version GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23 $ grass --version GRASS GIS 7.2.2 Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual. This
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on Xenial - you don't have the means to upgrade the base. If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I don't need to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved. Qgis do not provide the ubuntugis repository so they obviously have limited means to ensure the packages there are up to date. So the best solution is not to use ubuntugis if there are issues like this. There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there and the most stable option is to use a supported distro. On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote: Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford : There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see. I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version. I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling behind in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity controversy. Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point switching to somewhere else. The main problem here is imho that ubuntugis-unstable and the qgis repositories are very often out of sync. But a QGIS without all the bells and whistles from ubuntugis is quite useless for me. Cheers Bernd On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote: After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no provider. My apt sources includes: deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main The packages are installed: $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass ii qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS plugin for QGIS ii qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass ii qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS provider for QGIS More info: $ gdalinfo --version GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23 $ grass --version GRASS GIS 7.2.2 Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual. This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade trashes GRASS support. Any suggestions are welcome, Thanks, Micha -- Micha Silver Ben Gurion Univ. Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab cell: +972-523-665918 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- Bernd Vogelgesang Siedlerstraße 2 91083 Baiersdorf/Igelsdorf Tel: 09133-825374 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford : There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual >machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see. I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version. I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now >relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling behind in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity >controversy. Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point switching to somewhere else. The main problem here is imho that ubuntugis-unstable and the qgis repositories are very often out of sync. But a QGIS without all the bells and whistles from ubuntugis is quite useless for me. Cheers Bernd On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote: After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no provider. My apt sources includes: deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main The packages are installed: $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass ii qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64GRASS plugin >>for QGIS ii qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all GRASS plugin >>for QGIS - architecture-independent data $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass ii qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64GRASS >>provider for QGIS More info: $ gdalinfo --version GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23 $ grass --version GRASS GIS 7.2.2 Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual. This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade trashes GRASS support. Any suggestions are welcome, Thanks, Micha --Micha Silver Ben Gurion Univ. Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab cell: +972-523-665918 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- Bernd Vogelgesang Siedlerstraße 2 91083 Baiersdorf/Igelsdorf Tel: 09133-825374___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see. I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling behind in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity controversy. On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote: After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no provider. My apt sources includes: deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main The packages are installed: $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass ii qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS plugin for QGIS ii qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass ii qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS provider for QGIS More info: $ gdalinfo --version GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23 $ grass --version GRASS GIS 7.2.2 Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual. This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade trashes GRASS support. Any suggestions are welcome, Thanks, Micha -- Micha Silver Ben Gurion Univ. Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab cell: +972-523-665918 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint
After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no provider. My apt sources includes: deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main The packages are installed: $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass ii qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS plugin for QGIS ii qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass ii qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS provider for QGIS More info: $ gdalinfo --version GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23 $ grass --version GRASS GIS 7.2.2 Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual. This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade trashes GRASS support. Any suggestions are welcome, Thanks, Micha -- Micha Silver Ben Gurion Univ. Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab cell: +972-523-665918 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again)
I suspect there is a conflict with the package dependencies of ubuntugis. If GRASS 7.2.1 is installed, libgdal-grass 2.1.3 will be uninstalled. There ist a is dependence between libgdal-grass 2.1.3 and the grass720 package. This would have to change by the Ubuntu package builders. Best regards, Claas -- - GKG-Kassel - Dr.-Ing. Claas Leiner QGIS-Support und mehr Geodatenservice, Kartenwerkstatt & GIS-Schule Kassel Wilhelmshöher Allee 304 E 34131 Kassel Tel. 0561/56013445 claas.lei...@gkg-kassel.de http://www.gkg-kassel.de Unterstützen Sie QGIS QGIS-DE e.V. | http://qgis.de QGIS Projekt | http://qgis.org/de/site/ ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again)
After recent upgrades to qgis 2.18.7 and GRASS 7.2.1 (on Mint 18, Ubuntu 16.04) I no longer have access to GRASS layers nor the GRASS plugin. I tried on one machine to downgrade to QGIS 2.14 but still the GRASS maps do not appear in Browser. However, I see that GRASS modules under Processing seem to work. Any suggestions how to get back support for GRASS in QGIS? -- Micha Silver cell: +972-523-665918 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user