Re: [Ql-Users] More BASIC Queries

2009-11-15 Thread gdgqler

On 14 Nov 2009, at 16:04, P Witte wrote:

 The way the question was formulated, a line by line stepping through a 
 program - specifically, a boot script - was wanted. This hardly adds to the 
 responses already given, although its fine if only a few lines want 
 monitoring.

You can use QMON to step through an assembly program. But this is usually too 
time-consuming. It is better to go quickly to a specific place and step through 
a few instructions there. In aBASIC program it would be equally futile to 
examine the results of every single instruction. I think that it is the ability 
to examine each instruction which is wanted. I have certainly once or twice 
used my Puse after each instruction in a short stretch of code.

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Web Emulator

2009-11-15 Thread Tony Firshman

Rich Mellor wrote, On 15/11/09 09:15:

Gerhard Plavec wrote:


Has anyone looked at producing a version of a QL emulator in Java - 
with the popularity of the QL Wiki continually increasing, it is 
good to see it getting high ratings on google when searching for 
programs.  It is also helping to attract more people back to the QL, 
judging by the sales on my website and ebay - I listed a boxed QL on 
ebay the other day, and over 80 people are watching it, with its 
price currently at over £80 !!


What is really missing from the QL Wiki, is the ability to see what 
the QL Software actually does.


I have tested and got the majority of software working on 
q-emulator, and what we ideally would need would be a link on the 
page for each piece of software to a Java based emulator which would 
allow you to run each item of software, for say, a maximum of 2 
minutes at a time, so that people could try each title out.


Is there anyone willing and able to write such an emulator ?


You mean something like this
http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/ts1000/index.html
but for the QL ?
Yeah, would be cool :)

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Yes something like that would be ideal !!


... and loadable as an application on smart phones!

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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
gdgqler wrote:
 $23 is qa.tan2

Only in SMSQ/E, but not Minerva

 $25 and $27 are not there

They're available in Minerva, but not SMSQ/E

 $2F increases the stack by 4, not 2

$2F is Minerva only and as I see it, it does increase by 2

 $32 returns PI

SMSQ/E only again.

With all the different OS and release versions it's difficult to keep
everything in sync.

 2. Page Section 16 15
 For vector SB.INIPR A4 is altered on return

As far as I see, the register is saved before the call. Or is it a
QDOS bug?

 QPTR Manual

 1. Page 60
 In IOP.RPXL it seems that A1 is not preserved.

This was fixed in later PE releases and SMSQ/E.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
gdgqler wrote:
 However (isn't there quite often a however?) there are one or two
 pencilled amendments in my printed manuals which someone may like to confirm 
 or refute.

By the way, this is all in Text87 which is a program I can only use
with great difficulty. If somebody else of course wants to maintin the
manuals... ;-)

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Ralf Reköndt

From: Marcel Kilgus

By the way, this is all in Text87 which is a program I can only use
with great difficulty. If somebody else of course wants to maintin the
manuals... ;-)


Any chance to get the original QPTR text?

Cheers...Ralf
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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Ralf Reköndt wrote:
 From: Marcel Kilgus
 By the way, this is all in Text87 which is a program I can only use
 with great difficulty. If somebody else of course wants to maintin the
 manuals... ;-)
 Any chance to get the original QPTR text?

What is that?

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Web Emulator

2009-11-15 Thread Rich Mellor

Tony Firshman wrote:

Rich Mellor wrote, On 15/11/09 09:15:

Gerhard Plavec wrote:


Has anyone looked at producing a version of a QL emulator in Java - 
with the popularity of the QL Wiki continually increasing, it is 
good to see it getting high ratings on google when searching for 
programs.  It is also helping to attract more people back to the 
QL, judging by the sales on my website and ebay - I listed a boxed 
QL on ebay the other day, and over 80 people are watching it, with 
its price currently at over £80 !!


What is really missing from the QL Wiki, is the ability to see what 
the QL Software actually does.


I have tested and got the majority of software working on 
q-emulator, and what we ideally would need would be a link on the 
page for each piece of software to a Java based emulator which 
would allow you to run each item of software, for say, a maximum of 
2 minutes at a time, so that people could try each title out.


Is there anyone willing and able to write such an emulator ?


You mean something like this
http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/ts1000/index.html
but for the QL ?
Yeah, would be cool :)

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Yes something like that would be ideal !!


... and loadable as an application on smart phones!

Tony

Yes - I wonder if Quanta would be willing to help fund the development 
of this and other emulators to help keep developing interest in the 
Sinclair QL?


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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Ralf Reköndt
The original QJump docs have embedded control codes (like \j, \b or 
\mn codes für l+r justifying, bold text and monospaced text.). They were 
printed with QPLQ (an inhouse QJump program) nearly as the way TeX 
prints. Far bejond text87. So, if someone can supply the original text, I 
can print it as a PDF so it looks the same as originally printed by QJump.


Originality should be preserved ;-).

Cheers...Ralf

BTW: You have corrected a bug in QPLQ for QPC2 for me, do you remember...?

- Original Message - 
From: Marcel Kilgus


Ralf Reköndt wrote:

From: Marcel Kilgus

By the way, this is all in Text87 which is a program I can only use
with great difficulty. If somebody else of course wants to maintin the
manuals... ;-)

Any chance to get the original QPTR text?


What is that?

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread P Witte

Marcel Kilgus wrote:



With all the different OS and release versions it's difficult to keep
everything in sync.


As you say. I too have a number of corrections, but no longer know 
whether they apply or not, as there were so many intermediate versions.


Thus

sms.sevt (trap #1, $3a) A0+ all preserved. My notes says HBA 3.04 smashed!

iob.elin (trap#3, $4) was a terrible mess. I wrote to TT about it and 
he agreed, but I dont know it was ever fixed


Theres more, but this is perhaps not the time/place.. Would be great 
if someone were to take on to edit these manuals. Perhaps the 
simplest for now would be for that someone to compile an Errata 
database and maintain it in some public place on the web?



2. Page Section 16 15
For vector SB.INIPR A4 is altered on return


As far as I see, the register is saved before the call. Or is it a
QDOS bug?


QPTR Manual

1. Page 60
In IOP.RPXL it seems that A1 is not preserved.


This was fixed in later PE releases and SMSQ/E.


Last time I checked iop.rpxl wasnt working at all!

Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
P Witte wrote:
 iob.elin (trap#3, $4) was a terrible mess. I wrote to TT about it and
 he agreed, but I dont know it was ever fixed

No idea either.

 1. Page 60
 In IOP.RPXL it seems that A1 is not preserved.
 This was fixed in later PE releases and SMSQ/E.
 Last time I checked iop.rpxl wasnt working at all!

Ah, right. It was not implemented for high colour modes. In this case
I just remembered that Wolfgang fixed a whole bunch of A1 issues and
figured this would have been among them.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQ Reference Manual and QPTR manual online

2009-11-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Ralf Reköndt wrote:
 The original QJump docs have embedded control codes (like \j, \b or
 \mn codes für l+r justifying, bold text and monospaced text.).

Ah, okay. No, can't help you there, sorry. Don't even have the QPTR
sources.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] More BASIC Queries

2009-11-15 Thread P Witte

giggler wrote:


On 14 Nov 2009, at 16:04, P Witte wrote:


The way the question was formulated, a line by line stepping through a 
program - specifically, a boot script - was wanted. This hardly adds to the responses 
already given, although its fine if only a few lines want monitoring.


You can use QMON to step through an assembly program. But this is

 usually too time-consuming. It is better to go quickly to a
 specific place and step through a few instructions there. In
 aBASIC program it would be equally futile to examine the
 results of every single instruction. I think that it is the
 ability to examine each instruction which is wanted. I have
 certainly once or twice used my Puse after each instruction
 in a short stretch of code.

Little point in us discussing it as the original petitioner seems to 
have found what he wanted and moved on to better things. Or perhaps 
hes still single-stepping through some endless loop his boot script! 
;o) In which case your arguments certainly win the day!


Per

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