Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
In message <4f5075c9.2000...@dunbar-it.co.uk>, Norman Dunbar writes Morning all, I see someone has pre-ordered 10 and is offering on ebay for £95 each. I thought only one per person was allowed. Wish we could rid ourselves of these "touts" trying to collar the market. The person on ebay was shut down pretty quickly by the Raspberry Pi Foundation. He had nothing to sell and was showing an image of a pre-production alpha board. The rule about one per person stand. The cost is £21.56 ish not including postage and the only places you can get one is from RS or Farnell. ... They had also managed to get someone who was involved in the original BBC Model B, to interview. Yes, David Braben. He wrote (or co-wrote) Elite for the BBC and is a founding member of the Raspberry Pi Foundation. Like others, I can wait a while ... then, too, there will have been some things written to be able to use on the machine ... :-) Not really. It comes with Fedora Linux on an SD card, or you supply one, so you have all the tools for development at hand already. The Fedora image takes about 2 Gb so the rest of the card can be used for data. RSIC-OS is also available for it. In education we are already familiar with dedicated devices for controlling hardware ... like Lego MindStorms and Picaxe, to name but two. Better than most schools then. ICT seems to involve learning to spreadsheet and word process but little else. A friend of mine with children bought my old laptop so that the kids could be taught useful things about computers, not just what they get in ICT at school. Still ... lots of potential fun to come in the future . Indeed. Cheers, Norm. Hi Norman, I thought that you would one the first 'Rpi" owners ... :-) I have not heard of Fedora Linux ... though I guess it not a hat? Development tools ... yes, but what actual software or 'apps' are already around to make it immediately usable? I specialised in control and electronics and all the 'new technology' stuff, so was always being creative. Schools have mirrored and followed almost exactly all of the previous mistakes that industry first followed. New technology comes along ... some people find a use for it, and develop something creative ... then someone wants to manage it all, so along come IT Managers and 'standard' software packages that all have to use ... creativity drops off ... then someone has a new idea to get rid of all the managers and put the technology back in the hands of people who can find a use for it ... creativity starts . -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Nascent project: Cross-platform SuperBASIC derivative.
In message , j...@supanet.com writes Perhaps we could help steer the project more towards SBasic by implementing such things as channels. Has anyone here got the skills, time and motivation to do this. Our company is considering porting this to ARM (Raspberry Pi included), but we need to study the licence. If we do I'll try and make it policy to use SBasic as the programming model to use when enhancing the language. If SBasic or QL is to survive two things have to happen. 1SBasic license has to change to open source such as GPL. 2An Emulator such as Uqlx needs to be upgraded to run on the Rasberry PI and Pandora. If these programs are open source then the development will probably happen automatically. Otherwise it will die with us. Hi Jim, I guess that will happen, naturally enough. And, wow! A new computer that you can easily learn to program ... now where did that idea come from ... :-) . ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
I was too slow off the mark to secure an order but my name is down as an interested party for the next batch. As a side thought, the Raspberry Pi comes without a case, here must exist a fantastic opportunity for someone to manufacture cases, plastic, metal, glass etc ! Taken to its logical conclusion, this could potentially restart the mid 1980s home computer boon with cases, add-ons, adapters, software... Only thing missing is the "allow 28 days for delivery" Maybe in this case and as it's 21st century, you should phrase that as "allow 28 website crashes for delivery" Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
Hi Dilwyn, On 02/03/12 12:20, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if the core of SuperBASIC and SBASIC could be released to port them too. OK, I know we've -been there before in discussing that! But I can still dream... Yes. But it will need converting from MC68000 Assembly language I suspect. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
On 02/03/2012 12:34, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Neil Riley wrote: I was too slow off the mark to secure an order but my name is down as an interested party for the next batch. As a side thought, the Raspberry Pi comes without a case, here must exist a fantastic opportunity for someone to manufacture cases, plastic, metal, glass etc ! Taken to its logical conclusion, this could potentially restart the mid 1980s home computer boon with cases, add-ons, adapters, software... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm . Only thing missing is the "allow 28 days for delivery" ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
En/Je/On 2012-03-02 12:28, Neil Riley escribió / skribis / wrote : > As a side thought, the Raspberry Pi comes without a case, here must exist a > fantastic opportunity for someone to manufacture cases, plastic, metal, > glass etc ! It seems a case will be sold later this year, with and without the computer. Meanwhile, some personal projects have arised, e.g.: http://www.raspberrypi-spanish.es/foro/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12 It will be easy to make a homemade case. Marcos ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
Neil Riley wrote: I was too slow off the mark to secure an order but my name is down as an interested party for the next batch. As a side thought, the Raspberry Pi comes without a case, here must exist a fantastic opportunity for someone to manufacture cases, plastic, metal, glass etc ! Taken to its logical conclusion, this could potentially restart the mid 1980s home computer boon with cases, add-ons, adapters, software... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
>>> ... >>> The cost is £21.56 ish not including postage and the only places you >>> can get one is from RS or Farnell. >>> >There was an article in this mornings Dutch newspaper about the "Run on a chip >and two usb ports on a little motherboard." >They mention the stock was sold within minutes and state a price of 26 euro's. >The Dutch branch (I didn't know there was one!) of RS Components was also >flooded with requests. They expect to deliver new stock in a week. >The article was about a quarter tabloid page, with a picture. >Another one page article announced the opening today in Amsterdam of the first >Apple Store of the Benelux. >An old QLer mentioned to me a Raspberry competitor: Maximite. >Not as powerful as the RPi but with a build in Basic and I/O ports, it can be >bought as kit or ready built. >Check out the authors website: http://geoffg.net/maximite.html >Bob I was too slow off the mark to secure an order but my name is down as an interested party for the next batch. As a side thought, the Raspberry Pi comes without a case, here must exist a fantastic opportunity for someone to manufacture cases, plastic, metal, glass etc ! Neil *** The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact the company on 01234-265380, then delete it from your system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on behalf of the company by means of email communications. BC Services (UK) Limited (trading as Boxclever), Technology House, Ampthill Road, Bedford, MK42 9QQ. Registered No. 5290544 England www.boxclever.co.uk *** ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
An old QLer mentioned to me a Raspberry competitor: Maximite. Not as powerful as the RPi but with a build in Basic and I/O ports, it can be bought as kit or ready built. Check out the authors website: http://geoffg.net/maximite.html Bob Interesting that they allow you to download the BASIC manuals. Looks like the BASIC is based on the old Microsoft-type BASICs of the 1980s. They say they plan to release the core of the BASIC so it can be ported to other platforms. Wouldn't it be nice if the core of SuperBASIC and SBASIC could be released to port them too. OK, I know we've -been there before in discussing that! But I can still dream... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] RaspberryPi
Op Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:24:57 +0100 schreef Norman Dunbar : ... The cost is £21.56 ish not including postage and the only places you can get one is from RS or Farnell. There was an article in this mornings Dutch newspaper about the "Run on a chip and two usb ports on a little motherboard." They mention the stock was sold within minutes and state a price of 26 euro's. The Dutch branch (I didn't know there was one!) of RS Components was also flooded with requests. They expect to deliver new stock in a week. The article was about a quarter tabloid page, with a picture. Another one page article announced the opening today in Amsterdam of the first Apple Store of the Benelux. An old QLer mentioned to me a Raspberry competitor: Maximite. Not as powerful as the RPi but with a build in Basic and I/O ports, it can be bought as kit or ready built. Check out the authors website: http://geoffg.net/maximite.html Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.chello.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Nascent project: Cross-platform SuperBASIC derivative.
En/Je/On 2012-03-01 23:01, j...@supanet.com escribió / skribis / wrote : > If SBasic or QL is to survive two things have to happen. > 1SBasic license has to change to open source such as GPL. I guess SBASIC means SMSQ/E too. > 2An Emulator such as Uqlx needs to be upgraded to run on the Rasberry > PI and Pandora. I think those devices are good examples of the current evolution. Sooner or later the old x86 architecture will be deprecated. ARM is far more efficient in many ways. Another good example is the **open hardware** ARM tablets and netbooks by http://alwaysinnovating.com, with different OS. By the way, some time ago my brother tinkered with uQLx and succeeded compiling it in Pandora. I'll ask him about the details. I fact now I have that Pandora, in order to explore how to install Debian on it. > If these programs are open source then the development will probably > happen automatically. Maybe not automatically. I mean, I'm not sure how many QL people have the needed knowledge and free time. But open source is a sine qua non condition for surviving. > Otherwise it will die with us. Indeed. Marcos ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
