Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 at 20:13:10, Geoff Wicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, those who moan about Lookout Express should consider how they would feel about changing their system after using it for many (on the whole, happy) years. Taking such drastic action is a last resort! Although I only deploy a virus checker on suspicion of infection, or after engaging in unsafe practices, I have only once in five years actually been infected, and that I discovered without the aid of one. I caught it off the internet, not via email. Many thanks, Per, you have expressed my feelings exactly not only in the above quote but in your whole piece. In about two years I have only caught a virus once and that was my own fault! (I caught it from a QL-user on this list!) I spend a lot of time working on international surveys of company computer users and have a pretty good idea of how MS is regarded in most European countries. There are some MS lovers, but most users are constructively critical. MS is usually assessed as the most arrogant computer software or hardware company. Now to bring this provocatively back on topic the unfortunate reality is that you can do a lot of things with MS systems than you cannot do with a QL. Our loyalty is based more on a recognition of what the QL could have been rather than of what it is. In discussing MS I would welcome more humility and less arrogance from the QL community. All I was saying was that TP has worked fine. I have never used any other product 'cos of this. I am not trying to be arrogant in any sense, and I am sorry if you interpreted the bare words in this way. I am very much looking forward to the day when I can use my QL BBS machine to, in particular, send out the QL snailshots. I find it quite incongruous to use my PC for this. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname,demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
[ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Geoff Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Many thanks, Per, you have expressed my feelings exactly not only in the above quote but in your whole piece. In about two years I have only caught a virus once and that was my own fault! (I caught it from a QL-user on this list!) I spend a lot of time working on international surveys of company computer users and have a pretty good idea of how MS is regarded in most European countries. There are some MS lovers, but most users are constructively critical. MS is usually assessed as the most arrogant computer software or hardware company. Now to bring this provocatively back on topic the unfortunate reality is that you can do a lot of things with MS systems than you cannot do with a QL. Our loyalty is based more on a recognition of what the QL could have been rather than of what it is. In discussing MS I would welcome more humility and less arrogance from the QL community. The interesting thing with the QL is that there is a lot that can still be done with it to bring it 'up to date' ... that is to use the 21st Century 'goodies' that have developed in hardware and software. It is also in the hands of enthusiasts ... hence the recent SMSQ discussion to develop the OS further. There is a market for other operating systems, even though it may be small and specialist ... like us lot :-) The problem that many people have with M$ is that it is the worlds dominant system on PC's, yet it is not the best OS. 'Market forces' have put it there, not technical merit. ... Anyway, this is really OT :-( -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 at 13:48:22, Richard Zidlicky wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:13:10PM +0100, Geoff Wicks wrote: It may be surprising for some but the QL actually had working email/news programs for maus and fido -nets long before MS - and at that time maus/fidonet provided good interoperation with the internet. Indeed - I was part of this. My BBS is still going, including the internet maus link. Jonathan Hudson and Marcel for instance still chat (usenet: maus.computer.ql.int) Does anyone know who arranges the link and how it is done? There is a vast amount of spam, which I delete when I see it. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname,demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] All I was saying was that TP has worked fine. I have never used any other product 'cos of this. I am not trying to be arrogant in any sense, and I am sorry if you interpreted the bare words in this way. No offence, Tony, most of your comments in this group are mild mannered and constructive. When I wrote my comments I was not thinking of anyone in particular, but of a general attitude among QL users. In his contribution Richard made some good points, especially about MS being caught on the hop by the growth of the internet, but the fact remains that most people access this list via an MS system. Pity that the QL possibilities to which he refers were not further developed. Remember the feeling about QL emailing and internet access at Portsmouth 2000 when there was almost a First World War attitude of It will be over by Christmas , in spite of Jon Dent's unequivocal warning that there was still a lot of work to do? How far have we advanced in the last two years, or are we still in the trenches? We have the right to be MS haters, but let's be realistic about our own shortcomings even if these are mainly because of the fact that we are all unpaid and doing it in our spare time. Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
- Original Message - From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, those who moan about Lookout Express should consider how they would feel about changing their system after using it for many (on the whole, happy) years. Taking such drastic action is a last resort! Although I only deploy a virus checker on suspicion of infection, or after engaging in unsafe practices, I have only once in five years actually been infected, and that I discovered without the aid of one. I caught it off the internet, not via email. Many thanks, Per, you have expressed my feelings exactly not only in the above quote but in your whole piece. In about two years I have only caught a virus once and that was my own fault! (I caught it from a QL-user on this list!) I spend a lot of time working on international surveys of company computer users and have a pretty good idea of how MS is regarded in most European countries. There are some MS lovers, but most users are constructively critical. MS is usually assessed as the most arrogant computer software or hardware company. Now to bring this provocatively back on topic the unfortunate reality is that you can do a lot of things with MS systems than you cannot do with a QL. Our loyalty is based more on a recognition of what the QL could have been rather than of what it is. In discussing MS I would welcome more humility and less arrogance from the QL community. Geoff Wicks
