Re: [ql-users] Spam
At 07:29 31/07/2001 +0100, you wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Mel LaVerne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:43 PM >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > > > >> >Still only 3 weeks or so to go =8-( >> >> Make that _FIVE_ weeks ! :-( Total holiday: 38 days. Three gone by. >> Thirty five to go. > > >Ooops, yes, I actually meant to type "4 weeks or so" because I couldn't be >bothered to work it out exactly and a typo got in the way ;-) > >It would be a really good idea if auto-responses in email clients were >marked as such in the headers then it would be simple for list owners/list But, it _is_ so marked. Lines 2 & 3 read: X-Autoreply-From: At least, that's what I get with Eudora. >software to eliminate them. Although the best solution, with majordomo at >least, is for people to be considerate enough to unsubscribe. True > >Peter >-- >Peter S Tillier[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily >those of my employer. > > > > > >
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On 31 Jul 2001, at 12:33, Richard Zidlicky wrote: > Aehm.. can't help not to mention that all of this has been implemented > OpenSource more than 15 years ago and worked perfectly until Bill's > (not any on this list) blessings reached us. > Kit's software is relatively moderate yet, I have seen cases where > NT software is stupid enough to respond to its own autoresponses! Oh, that would be a horror. Anyway, it seems that the collective protest has had an effect, since the messages don't seem to come any more! Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:29:21AM +0100, Peter S Tillier wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Mel LaVerne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > > > > > >Still only 3 weeks or so to go =8-( > > > > Make that _FIVE_ weeks ! :-( Total holiday: 38 days. Three gone by. > > Thirty five to go. > > > Ooops, yes, I actually meant to type "4 weeks or so" because I couldn't be > bothered to work it out exactly and a typo got in the way ;-) > > It would be a really good idea if auto-responses in email clients were > marked as such in the headers then it would be simple for list owners/list > software to eliminate them. no. The best solution is to make vacation programs intelligent enough to - not respond to mailing lists and daemon notifications - keep a database of addresses they have already notified - eliminate duplicates by checking msgid, hashed message contents, X-Loop headers and everything else. Aehm.. can't help not to mention that all of this has been implemented OpenSource more than 15 years ago and worked perfectly until Bill's (not any on this list) blessings reached us. Kit's software is relatively moderate yet, I have seen cases where NT software is stupid enough to respond to its own autoresponses! Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] Spam
- Original Message - From: "Mel LaVerne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > >Still only 3 weeks or so to go =8-( > > Make that _FIVE_ weeks ! :-( Total holiday: 38 days. Three gone by. > Thirty five to go. Ooops, yes, I actually meant to type "4 weeks or so" because I couldn't be bothered to work it out exactly and a typo got in the way ;-) It would be a really good idea if auto-responses in email clients were marked as such in the headers then it would be simple for list owners/list software to eliminate them. Although the best solution, with majordomo at least, is for people to be considerate enough to unsubscribe. Peter -- Peter S Tillier[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer.
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At 07:43 am 30/07/2001 -0400, Mel LaVerne wrote: >>> >>> One easy solution would be to unsubscribe him, > >Happy to do it if someone would tell me how !! I think that's up to the list owner... Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Spam
At 22:44 29/07/2001 +0100, you wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> I even emailed him personally last time telling him about the chaos he >> is causing .. >> >> One easy solution would be to unsubscribe him, Happy to do it if someone would tell me how !! > >Still only 3 weeks or so to go =8-( Make that _FIVE_ weeks ! :-( Total holiday: 38 days. Three gone by. Thirty five to go. > >Peter >-- >Peter S Tillier
Re: [ql-users] Spam
- Original Message - From: "Richard Zidlicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 10:44:46PM +0100, Peter S Tillier wrote: > > > The best solution would be to use a better mailing list package. Majordomo > > doesn't make temporary absences easy to cope with from the subscriber's > > POV - you have to unsubscribe. Most of the mailing lists I use a lot are > > either Listserv or Mailman lists: on these you can tell the system not to > > send you mail while you're away - a far superior practice! > > so what is the advantage of this? In both cases you have to send > 2 emails - start & end holiday. The only difference I see is that > you have to remember only 2 commands with majordomo compared to > at least 4 with mailman. Actually there are a number of configuration options for both listserv and mailman that are reset to defaults if you unsubscribe; so the SET NOMAIL option, or similar, is really handy and can usually be done from any email address without problems. As majordomo has no configuration options to speak of I guess it's not too much of a problem to un-sub. and sub., although IIRC you have to send the emails from the correct accounts: that or wait for the list owner to approve changes. I'd just prefer something like listserv. > > If it was a problem for me I would make 2 scripts, unsusbscribe-lists > and resubscribe-lists that would do that for all the lists I am > listenning. > > Luckilly I have a procmail cappable account so I don't care > about this. > Actually I use my mail software to do this, but the sub, un-sub is a pain for the reasons stated. Peter -- Peter S Tillier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer
Re: [ql-users] Spam
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 10:44:46PM +0100, Peter S Tillier wrote: > The best solution would be to use a better mailing list package. Majordomo > doesn't make temporary absences easy to cope with from the subscriber's > POV - you have to unsubscribe. Most of the mailing lists I use a lot are > either Listserv or Mailman lists: on these you can tell the system not to > send you mail while you're away - a far superior practice! so what is the advantage of this? In both cases you have to send 2 emails - start & end holiday. The only difference I see is that you have to remember only 2 commands with majordomo compared to at least 4 with mailman. If it was a problem for me I would make 2 scripts, unsusbscribe-lists and resubscribe-lists that would do that for all the lists I am listenning. Luckilly I have a procmail cappable account so I don't care about this. Bye Richard
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- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > > I even emailed him personally last time telling him about the chaos he > is causing .. but no reply when he returned. Maybe he didn't return > (8-)# Just as well his end is 'clever' enough only to send one a day, Probably Microshift Outlook then: that's what my work mail system does. > otherwise life would get _really_ interesting. > > One easy solution would be to unsubscribe him, and send him the months > archives on his return. The best solution would be to use a better mailing list package. Majordomo doesn't make temporary absences easy to cope with from the subscriber's POV - you have to unsubscribe. Most of the mailing lists I use a lot are either Listserv or Mailman lists: on these you can tell the system not to send you mail while you're away - a far superior practice! I was on holiday for 3 weeks from mid-June and ql-users and ql-developers were two of only a few that I had to unsubscribe from because majordomo can't temporarily suspend service. It's a pity, because otherwise majordomo isn't too bad. BTW I seem to have been lucky (or just have a good kill file) because I didn't get any of the spam that Norman and others have been suffering. I suppose we could all add Kit to our kill files until September. Still only 3 weeks or so to go =8-( Peter -- Peter S Tillier[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer.
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Hi all I just downloaded Thierry's cd stuff and have a couple of questions for your combined wisdom 1. will this allow me to use a cd writer on Q40 2. if the answer to 1 is no then would be I able to read cd's on q40 that I had written files to on a cd writer in a PC. I can imagine Thierry reading this and wondering if we users are ever satisfied, well maybe not Thierry but we are forever grateful - many thanks. All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] Spam
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Geoff Wicks wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam >> >> > >> > Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail >> > backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you. >> > >> > >> >> HELP! Is this a spam ;-)? >> >> Geoff Wicks >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >No, its worse >Would Kit Lester please tell me when he intends to take his next >holidays, that way we can all go off at the same time and avoid his >daily mails. >I wouldn't mind but the rest of the year - he doesn't write, he doesn't >phone, I make chicken soup but does he call, but holidays he tells me >every day. Very witty, Bill :-) ... tears to my eyes ... -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Spam
At 10:21 am 29/07/2001 +0100, Bill Waugh wrote: > >I wouldn't mind but the rest of the year - he doesn't write, he doesn't >phone, I make chicken soup but does he call, but holidays he tells me >every day. > On the bright side: If he's gone abroad, it's probably cooler and less sunny than it is here...! Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Spam
On Dimanche 29 Juillet 2001 12:43, Tony Firshman wrote: > >No, its worse > >Would Kit Lester please tell me when he intends to take his next > >holidays, that way we can all go off at the same time and avoid his > >daily mails. > .../... > > I even emailed him personally last time telling him about the chaos he > is causing .. but no reply when he returned. > .../... > > One easy solution would be to unsubscribe him, This is exactly what I was considering ! His unrespectful behaviour deserves such a severe measure indeed !>:-( > and send him the months archives on his return. No need for this, the whole mailing list (including his stupid auto- responses) is automatically archived at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ql-users%40nvg.ntnu.no/ So, could the list maintainer unsubscribe him ? Thierry.
Re: [ql-users] Spam
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 at 10:21:04, you wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Geoff Wicks wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam >> >> > >> > Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail >> > backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you. >> > >> > >> >> HELP! Is this a spam ;-)? >> >> Geoff Wicks >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >No, its worse >Would Kit Lester please tell me when he intends to take his next >holidays, that way we can all go off at the same time and avoid his >daily mails. >I wouldn't mind but the rest of the year - he doesn't write, he doesn't >phone, I make chicken soup but does he call, but holidays he tells me >every day. (8-)# I even emailed him personally last time telling him about the chaos he is causing .. but no reply when he returned. Maybe he didn't return (8-)# Just as well his end is 'clever' enough only to send one a day, otherwise life would get _really_ interesting. One easy solution would be to unsubscribe him, and send him the months archives on his return. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Spam
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 at 11:21:54, you wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 08:50:00PM +0100, Geoff Wicks wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam >> >> >> > >> > Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail >> > backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you. >> > >> > >> >> HELP! Is this a spam ;-)? > >his software send a new message every time someone changes the subject >so simply don't change the subject everyone. Seems like the SPAM really >got us, now we are locked into discussing it. I don't think it is that. I reckon his end only sends one email to each address per day. We can expect, like last time, one a day until 3 Sep (8-(# At least this time he hasn't got a person with misspelt email assigned to answer queries. Last time it was something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] No such address, but 'jonathan-' replied, and said Kit had told him nothing, so he couldn't do anything (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Spam
On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 08:50:00PM +0100, Geoff Wicks wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > > > > > > Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail > > backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you. > > > > > > HELP! Is this a spam ;-)? his software send a new message every time someone changes the subject so simply don't change the subject everyone. Seems like the SPAM really got us, now we are locked into discussing it. Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] Spam
Geoff Wicks wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > > > > > Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail > > backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you. > > > > > > HELP! Is this a spam ;-)? > > Geoff Wicks > [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, its worse Would Kit Lester please tell me when he intends to take his next holidays, that way we can all go off at the same time and avoid his daily mails. I wouldn't mind but the rest of the year - he doesn't write, he doesn't phone, I make chicken soup but does he call, but holidays he tells me every day. All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] Spam
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spam > > Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail > backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you. > > HELP! Is this a spam ;-)? Geoff Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kit Lester is on holiday, and will return (to start clearing the e-mail backlog ;-) on 3rd September. Thank you.
Re: [ql-users] Spam
On Wednesday 25 July 2001 14:43, you wrote: [snip] > >I have to do this for all those 'Nigerian Scam' emails I'm getting these > >days :o( > Yes ... we are all getting them :-) You may say it's a scam, but you'll be laughing on the other side of your face when I receive my US$30m... What's that I hear? Why it's my Bank's appointed debt collectors kicking at the door? ;P -- Anthony W. Prime [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amiga.com So the world may know...
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The astonishing thing is the number of people that seem to have fallen for that. Pure greed! There's a lot of it [greed] about John in Wales
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Funniest thing (well, saddest really) is that the Nigerian Scam has been around since the days before email/internet. The perpetrators used to send out letters then. Isn't progress wonderful :o) Norman. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com -Original Message- From: Wolfgang Lenerz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Spam >> The astonishing thing is the number of people that seem to have >> fallen for that. Pure greed!
RE: [ql-users] Spam
On 25 Jul 2001, at 15:18, Norman Dunbar wrote: > I have to do this for all those 'Nigerian Scam' emails I'm getting these > days :o( > The astonishing thing is the number of people that seem to have fallen for that. Pure greed! Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
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Per Witte wrote: >Im having a spam rash now, the first in this series starting on Jul 4. >Looking at my internet history the only unusual visit made in the last >three weeks was when I had visitors, on Jul 2, who used Hotmail and >Yahoomail to read their email. Am I just being paranoid or is there a >connection? Can I zap these guys somehow? My wife stopped using her Hotmail account largely because she was getting more spam and sex site adverts etc etc than ordinary email. Much of the spam I get is either American get-rich-quick emails or (like Norman Dunbar) african money laundering scams. There are expensive filtering programs you can get, but you are probably better off lobbying the EU to quickly implement the anti-spam rules where you have to opt into it rather than put up with it. Sadly, the UK government for one looks set to cripple this initiative before it starts. Once you've had email from some unsavoury sources, your software may allow you to bar further emails from those addresses. The inbox assistant in Lookout Excess for example will allow you to specify rules, including emails 'from' an address, and one of the options is not to even download it from your ISP's servers. When it works, it works well (surprisingly for M$ stuff) I've put a limit on email sizes on mine. Sadly, that got in the way of QL Today's next issue, since Jochen sent me the cover page as a graphics file and it exceeded the file size, but I knew nothing about it until I got a warning message about a huge file stuck on the server!!! Jon Dent...hurry up and finish soql please so we can make decent email software of our own! -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Norman Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Two of the worst offenders for Spam, I'm afraid. >I don't know if your email client has a 'junk mail' filter, if so, add >hotmail and yahoomail to it, the emails will not vanish, just be stored out >of the way. >I have to do this for all those 'Nigerian Scam' emails I'm getting these >days :o( Yes ... we are all getting them :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
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Two of the worst offenders for Spam, I'm afraid. I don't know if your email client has a 'junk mail' filter, if so, add hotmail and yahoomail to it, the emails will not vanish, just be stored out of the way. I have to do this for all those 'Nigerian Scam' emails I'm getting these days :o( Norman. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com -Original Message- From: P Witte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Spam Ive always been blessed with very little spam. Every now and again I get a rash, which I ignore, and it eventually goes away again. Im having a spam rash now, the first in this series starting on Jul 4. Looking at my internet history the only unusual visit made in the last three weeks was when I had visitors, on Jul 2, who used Hotmail and Yahoomail to read their email. Am I just being paranoid or is there a connection? Can I zap these guys somehow? Per
[ql-users] Spam
Ive always been blessed with very little spam. Every now and again I get a rash, which I ignore, and it eventually goes away again. Im having a spam rash now, the first in this series starting on Jul 4. Looking at my internet history the only unusual visit made in the last three weeks was when I had visitors, on Jul 2, who used Hotmail and Yahoomail to read their email. Am I just being paranoid or is there a connection? Can I zap these guys somehow? Per
