Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
- Original Message - From: P Witte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > Since the purpose of this list is to communicate it can > hardly be OT discuss the basic mechanics of such > communication. I have already explained (at some > considerable length!) why I use Lookout Distress (good one!) > Unless you are clamouring for a reprint, would y'all please > desist from discriminatory remarks on this head as it serves > no useful purpose? If your email clients are so smart how > come you are not able to filter out the crap you dont want > to read? Anyway, this thread appears to me to be about how > the various clients mangle our messages in their various > ways and not about LD in particular. It should be a salutary > lesson to *everyone* that we cannot expect messages to > appear on other people's screens the way they appear on our > own. Hence the need for agreed standards (straight text > only) and clarity (formatting, quoting, editing) and that as > many fancy features as possible should be switched off > across the board, or suitable work-arounds devised (as I > have gently but futilely tried to demonstrate earlier in > this thread.) For the rest, Live and let Live! > > Per > Can I add to this that good communication involves snipping. Too many messages contain the entire original mail, when the reply is often to just a single sentence in the original. That's something that we can all do and is not dependent on our mailer,browser or how we format our text. Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
Roy Wood writes: > >100 turgid messages with no complaint. Is this stilll the silly seasom ? > Well it proves we are all still out there and listening. Since the purpose of this list is to communicate it can hardly be OT discuss the basic mechanics of such communication. I have already explained (at some considerable length!) why I use Lookout Distress (good one!) Unless you are clamouring for a reprint, would y'all please desist from discriminatory remarks on this head as it serves no useful purpose? If your email clients are so smart how come you are not able to filter out the crap you dont want to read? Anyway, this thread appears to me to be about how the various clients mangle our messages in their various ways and not about LD in particular. It should be a salutary lesson to *everyone* that we cannot expect messages to appear on other people's screens the way they appear on our own. Hence the need for agreed standards (straight text only) and clarity (formatting, quoting, editing) and that as many fancy features as possible should be switched off across the board, or suitable work-arounds devised (as I have gently but futilely tried to demonstrate earlier in this thread.) For the rest, Live and let Live! Per
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
In message <001501c26754$bf03b440$c042fea9@peter>, Peter Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >YES > >100 turgid messages with no complaint. Is this stilll the silly seasom ? Well it proves we are all still out there and listening. -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ql-users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > Geoff Wicks wrote: > > My experience with Outlook Express is that it is inconsistent. Even if you > > set it to indent with ">" it doesn't always do this. I have never discovered > > why or what circumstances, but then I have never bothered to investigate. > > It actually depends on the character encoding of the mail you want to > answer. If it's encoded in "quoted-printable" OE doesn't add quote > characters. > > Back to studying, Marcel > I have received msgs with "quoted-printable" encoding some of these quote correctly when replying and some do not. I am sure we could locate this problem but the solution is - send plain text. Back to soldering, Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
YES 100 turgid messages with no complaint. Is this stilll the silly seasom ? - Original Message - From: "Roy Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce | | In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff Wicks | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes | | >By the way, how come you are getting away with this OT thread without anyone | >complaining ;-). | It is the tail end of summer and no one is looking. | -- | Roy Wood | Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK | Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) | Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 | Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >By the way, how come you are getting away with this OT thread without anyone >complaining ;-). It is the tail end of summer and no one is looking. -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
Geoff Wicks wrote: > My experience with Outlook Express is that it is inconsistent. Even if you > set it to indent with ">" it doesn't always do this. I have never discovered > why or what circumstances, but then I have never bothered to investigate. It actually depends on the character encoding of the mail you want to answer. If it's encoded in "quoted-printable" OE doesn't add quote characters. Back to studying, Marcel
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- Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > > - Original Message - > From: Laurence Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I wonder. I can't be bothered to check, but does LookOut offer a similar > > function - replace '>' with neat, continous nothing. > > > > My experience with Outlook Express is that it is inconsistent. Even if you > set it to indent with ">" it doesn't always do this. I have never discovered > why or what circumstances, but then I have never bothered to investigate. > Just a thought though. Could there be a difference if the original message > was text only or HTML? I wondered about that so I have unticked he box that allows the plain text setting to be overidden when replying to html > > By the way, how come you are getting away with this OT thread without anyone > complaining ;-). SSSHHH my apologies, it was my mail that set it off. All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
- Original Message - From: Laurence Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I wonder. I can't be bothered to check, but does LookOut offer a similar > function - replace '>' with neat, continous nothing. > My experience with Outlook Express is that it is inconsistent. Even if you set it to indent with ">" it doesn't always do this. I have never discovered why or what circumstances, but then I have never bothered to investigate. Just a thought though. Could there be a difference if the original message was text only or HTML? By the way, how come you are getting away with this OT thread without anyone complaining ;-). Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
Bill Waugh wrote: Erm... I use Mozilla these days. It strips off the '>' marks... ... and replaces them with neat, continuous vertical bars. I wonder. I can't be bothered to check, but does LookOut offer a similar function - replace '>' with neat, continous nothing. Yes The choice is '>'':' or '|' or you can untick the box and get nowt. my setting is '>' and my box is firmly ticked - ( did I really say that ) BTW how is this mail Bill Well, firstly, your signature seems to be missing the requisite "-- " line that would stop it becoming quoted in a reply. Secondly, you have missed the point. Mozilla is quite happily handling all the ">" quoting back and forth in a highly intelligent way. They are exactly what comes in/goes out in the text of the emails. However, it is being pretty and displays the messages with (blue!) vertical bars for my enjoyment. I've just had a look throuh Mozilla's options and I can't seem to find anywhere that says anything about what format quoted replies should take. I know LookOut (and Turnpike?) gives you options. Is it that Mozilla sticks to some RFC that says it shoud be just a single ">"? I've been very impressed by Mozilla. There are a huge number of really useful things it does for you. E.g. when in the browser, you can ask for View/Page Info and you get to see things like every link off a page, all the images that are being loaded, all the fields and forms on the page, etc, etc. I'm amused that it converts smilies to graphics. :-) -> pretty yellow smiley face :-) . Other than flattening/simplifying my address book, it imported all the other junk from IE and BackOut(sorry) to perfection. I won't be going back.
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
- Original Message -
From: "Laurence Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
>
> Tony Firshman wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 at 09:23:47, Norman Dunbar wrote:
> > (ref:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
> >
> >
> >>Sorry guys, I may have led you up the garden path.
> >>
> >>When I mentioned 'quotes' I was referring to 'quoting of previous
text to
> >>which I am now replying' - basically, what has been said before. I
was not
> >>referring to quote marks (" or ') in Bill's text - as far as I know,
these
> >>are fine.
> >>
> >>When Bill replies to an email, the whole reply has no '>'
indents/quotes
> >>before the lines in the original message to which Bill is replying.
> >>
> >>The example below, shows my original text indented/quoted by '>' at
the
> >>start of the line. In this case, Bill's reply has come through
correctly -
> >>no misunderstanding of who said what. However, in a number of his
previous
> >>replies, there were no indent/quotes - whcih made it difficult to
follw what
> >>was original text and what was Bill's reply.
> >
> > Yep - that is what I find exactly.
> >
> > Bill is still pretty unsure as to what is happening.
> > I am pretty sure he must be sending it without indents (>) but I
don't
> > think he is convinced.
> >
> > I cannot see how _any_ mailer can strip off '>' - it just doesn't
seem
> > logical.
> >
>
>
> Erm... I use Mozilla these days. It strips off the '>' marks...
>
> ... and replaces them with neat, continuous vertical bars.
>
> I wonder. I can't be bothered to check, but does LookOut offer a
similar
> function - replace '>' with neat, continous nothing.
Yes
The choice is '>'':' or '|' or you can untick the box and get
nowt.
my setting is '>' and my box is firmly ticked - ( did I really say
that )
BTW how is this mail
Bill
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Tony Firshman wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 at 09:23:47, Norman Dunbar wrote:
> (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>
>
>>Sorry guys, I may have led you up the garden path.
>>
>>When I mentioned 'quotes' I was referring to 'quoting of previous text to
>>which I am now replying' - basically, what has been said before. I was not
>>referring to quote marks (" or ') in Bill's text - as far as I know, these
>>are fine.
>>
>>When Bill replies to an email, the whole reply has no '>' indents/quotes
>>before the lines in the original message to which Bill is replying.
>>
>>The example below, shows my original text indented/quoted by '>' at the
>>start of the line. In this case, Bill's reply has come through correctly -
>>no misunderstanding of who said what. However, in a number of his previous
>>replies, there were no indent/quotes - whcih made it difficult to follw what
>>was original text and what was Bill's reply.
>
> Yep - that is what I find exactly.
>
> Bill is still pretty unsure as to what is happening.
> I am pretty sure he must be sending it without indents (>) but I don't
> think he is convinced.
>
> I cannot see how _any_ mailer can strip off '>' - it just doesn't seem
> logical.
>
Erm... I use Mozilla these days. It strips off the '>' marks...
... and replaces them with neat, continuous vertical bars.
I wonder. I can't be bothered to check, but does LookOut offer a similar
function - replace '>' with neat, continous nothing.
--
Lau
http://www.bergbland.info
Get a domain from http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=5165217 and I'll
get the commission!
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 at 09:23:47, Norman Dunbar wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>
>Sorry guys, I may have led you up the garden path.
>
>When I mentioned 'quotes' I was referring to 'quoting of previous text to
>which I am now replying' - basically, what has been said before. I was not
>referring to quote marks (" or ') in Bill's text - as far as I know, these
>are fine.
>
>When Bill replies to an email, the whole reply has no '>' indents/quotes
>before the lines in the original message to which Bill is replying.
>
>The example below, shows my original text indented/quoted by '>' at the
>start of the line. In this case, Bill's reply has come through correctly -
>no misunderstanding of who said what. However, in a number of his previous
>replies, there were no indent/quotes - whcih made it difficult to follw what
>was original text and what was Bill's reply.
Yep - that is what I find exactly.
Bill is still pretty unsure as to what is happening.
I am pretty sure he must be sending it without indents (>) but I don't
think he is convinced.
I cannot see how _any_ mailer can strip off '>' - it just doesn't seem
logical.
--
QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255
tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk
Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255
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Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
There seems to be a lot of discussion on how e-mailers are formatting the messages. Have you considered that your e-mail readers may be presenting the e-mail as you have instructed them. If you are sending and receiving plain text the receiver should receive plain text, unless the email reader program alters it. Lafe Tony Firshman wrote: >On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 at 21:35:35, Bill Waugh wrote: >(ref: <008301c2659c$6533eac0$862c073e@famwaugh>) > > > >>- Original Message - >>From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce >> >> > > > >>when I send them they are correctly formatted, if you recieve them wrongly >>formmated then when you send them back they reformat correctly before I >>recieve them, or are you suggesting that OE sends them wrong and then when >>it recieve replies corrects them before it displays them. >> >> >I have no idea. >I see the original with absolutely no '>' indents at all, and I am not >the only one it seems. >My quoted text, and your reply are all with no indents. > >When I reply they are still wrongly formatted with one '>', and when you >reply to me with the second level '>>' they are _still wrongly >formatted. >I really cannot see how they can possibly arrive to you correctly >formatted. >Have a look again - I think you are simply not seeing the bad >formatting. > > >>>I agree - it makes his emails very difficult to understand. >>> >>> >>Norman was speaking of Quote marks he did'nt mention indenting >> >> >What are quote marks then - that is a new one on me. >You have snipped Norman's comment. >I have always thought quote marks in email ocntext were the '>' at the >beginning of line. > > > >>We need to ascertain what we both mean by 'Indented and 'formatted' I am >>assuming you mean the placing of an > against text, one > for every level of >>reply >> >> >Yes indeed. > > > >
RE: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
Sorry guys, I may have led you up the garden path.
When I mentioned 'quotes' I was referring to 'quoting of previous text to
which I am now replying' - basically, what has been said before. I was not
referring to quote marks (" or ') in Bill's text - as far as I know, these
are fine.
When Bill replies to an email, the whole reply has no '>' indents/quotes
before the lines in the original message to which Bill is replying.
The example below, shows my original text indented/quoted by '>' at the
start of the line. In this case, Bill's reply has come through correctly -
no misunderstanding of who said what. However, in a number of his previous
replies, there were no indent/quotes - whcih made it difficult to follw what
was original text and what was Bill's reply.
HTH
Cheers,
Norman.
-
Norman Dunbar
Database/Unix administrator
Lynx Financial Systems Ltd.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel: 0113 289 6265
Fax: 0113 289 3146
URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com
-
- Original Message -
From: "Norman Dunbar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
>
> Bill,
>
> tools
> options
> send tab
> mail sending = plain text
> press plain text options button
> auto wrap at column 76
> tick indent box and set character to > when replying or forwarding.
>
> That is what I have on lookuot excess version 6.
>
> HTH
>
> Norman.
Just checked and these are my settings exactly
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Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
Bill Waugh wrote:
[snip]
>>Bill,
>>
>>tools
>>options
>>send tab
>>mail sending = plain text
>>press plain text options button
>>auto wrap at column 76
>>tick indent box and set character to > when replying or forwarding.
>>
>>That is what I have on lookuot excess version 6.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Norman.
>>
> Just checked and these are my settings exactly
>
> The Quotes may be a separate issue, I used the shifted 2 which gives " some
> text " instead I maybe should use the single quote character as in ' some
> text '
Is there an option in Lookout excess for "Smart Quotes", ie instead of
double dits ("), it uses the 66 and 99 varieties? [I don't use M$ bloatware
when I can avoid it.] I've had a few problems in the past with people
trying to send them to me...I just get question marks. Similary with the
smart apostrophe (the 9 variety, as opposed to the single dit).
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 at 21:35:35, Bill Waugh wrote: (ref: <008301c2659c$6533eac0$862c073e@famwaugh>) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce >when I send them they are correctly formatted, if you recieve them wrongly >formmated then when you send them back they reformat correctly before I >recieve them, or are you suggesting that OE sends them wrong and then when >it recieve replies corrects them before it displays them. I have no idea. I see the original with absolutely no '>' indents at all, and I am not the only one it seems. My quoted text, and your reply are all with no indents. When I reply they are still wrongly formatted with one '>', and when you reply to me with the second level '>>' they are _still wrongly formatted. I really cannot see how they can possibly arrive to you correctly formatted. Have a look again - I think you are simply not seeing the bad formatting. > >> >> I agree - it makes his emails very difficult to understand. > >Norman was speaking of Quote marks he did'nt mention indenting What are quote marks then - that is a new one on me. You have snipped Norman's comment. I have always thought quote marks in email ocntext were the '>' at the beginning of line. >We need to ascertain what we both mean by 'Indented and 'formatted' I am >assuming you mean the placing of an > against text, one > for every level of >reply Yes indeed. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 at 09:21:03, Norman Dunbar wrote: > (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > > >did you know that your 'quote' character(s) are not coming through in your > >replies - this makes it a bit difficult to find your stuff in amongst my > >dross :o) > Ahha - I have had long 'chat' with Bill about this and he says I am the > only one who complains, so it must be Turnpike (8-)# I think I suggested an incompatability betwixt OE and Turnpike and did not aportion blame > I have been unable to convince him that he is SENDING the emails wrongly > formatted. when I send them they are correctly formatted, if you recieve them wrongly formmated then when you send them back they reformat correctly before I recieve them, or are you suggesting that OE sends them wrong and then when it recieve replies corrects them before it displays them. > > I agree - it makes his emails very difficult to understand. Norman was speaking of Quote marks he did'nt mention indenting > He is using Lookout Express - anyone tell him how to get it to send > correctly? I bet it cannot and the '>' has to be done manually with the > consequent autowrap problems (8-(# No - see my other mail to Norman I've mailed the other two lists I'm on asking for verification that my mails are not indented properly. I receive all my mails to (QL-user) back and they are ok. We need to ascertain what we both mean by 'Indented and 'formatted' I am assuming you mean the placing of an > against text, one > for every level of reply Al the best - Bill
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- Original Message - From: "Norman Dunbar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > Bill, > > tools > options > send tab > mail sending = plain text > press plain text options button > auto wrap at column 76 > tick indent box and set character to > when replying or forwarding. > > That is what I have on lookuot excess version 6. > > HTH > > Norman. Just checked and these are my settings exactly The Quotes may be a separate issue, I used the shifted 2 which gives " some text " instead I maybe should use the single quote character as in ' some text ' I never need to edit in > or >> these appear automatically, and I aint cutin and pastin within the text I only cut out bits and very occasionally paste in things like url's Now how does this mail read All the best - Bill
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >At 01:39 ìì 25/9/2002, you wrote: >> >> >>Umm ... cute :-) >> >>In vain defence of 'Lookout' :-( ... it probably has an option to change >>its behaviour. Anyone know ? > > >Of course it has... it's called Uninstall :-) (Use Win98Lite IV to do that :-0 Now ... now, Bill wouldn't like that :-) ... although I have taken it off my PC's. -- Malcolm Cadman
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED] uk>, Norman Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Bill, > >tools >options >send tab >mail sending = plain text >press plain text options button >auto wrap at column 76 >tick indent box and set character to > when replying or forwarding. Yes, it is buried deep down in there :-) ... which is good for 'techies' >That is what I have on lookuot excess version 6. ... umm ... so that's what it is called :-) >-Original Message- >From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:07 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > >On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 at 09:21:03, Norman Dunbar wrote: >(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > >I agree - it makes his emails very difficult to understand. >He is using Lookout Express - anyone tell him how to get it to send >correctly? I bet it cannot and the '>' has to be done manually with the >consequent autowrap problems (8-(# -- Malcolm Cadman
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Bill, tools options send tab mail sending = plain text press plain text options button auto wrap at column 76 tick indent box and set character to > when replying or forwarding. That is what I have on lookuot excess version 6. HTH Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 at 09:21:03, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) I agree - it makes his emails very difficult to understand. He is using Lookout Express - anyone tell him how to get it to send correctly? I bet it cannot and the '>' has to be done manually with the consequent autowrap problems (8-(# This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 at 09:21:03, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >did you know that your 'quote' character(s) are not coming through in your >replies - this makes it a bit difficult to find your stuff in amongst my >dross :o) Ahha - I have had long 'chat' with Bill about this and he says I am the only one who complains, so it must be Turnpike (8-)# I have been unable to convince him that he is SENDING the emails wrongly formatted. I agree - it makes his emails very difficult to understand. He is using Lookout Express - anyone tell him how to get it to send correctly? I bet it cannot and the '>' has to be done manually with the consequent autowrap problems (8-(# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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Morning Bill, did you know that your 'quote' character(s) are not coming through in your replies - this makes it a bit difficult to find your stuff in amongst my dross :o) Cheers, Norman. PS. Liked the bit about licking the stamp ! - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
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- Original Message - From: "Norman Dunbar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Parcelfarce Sorry Tony, but I really must object !! You said : >> Well I just knew that Outback would not handle anything like that, >> whatever format it is in (8-)# I'm afraid that sullying the good name of the Australian Countryside is not acceptable - especially whan using it as a derogatory term in relation to a microsoft product (in as much as Microsoft have ever produced a product of their own). :o) Cheers, Norman. PS. On a serious note, re parcelfarce, have you seen the ads on the telly for the Royal Mail express delivery thingy where for £3.25 they come and pick up your parcel and guarantee next day delivery ? I presume that there are a number of catches of course - being the cynic that I am, but you never know .. No catches, just the destination postcade has to be identical to yours(;-) PPS. Does Prince Charles count as a Royal Male ? Ah you refer to his letter sending, wonder what goes through his mind as he licks the back of the stamp (;-) Oops cynical and irreverent All the best - Bill
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At 01:39 ìì 25/9/2002, you wrote: > > >Umm ... cute :-) > >In vain defence of 'Lookout' :-( ... it probably has an option to change >its behaviour. Anyone know ? Of course it has... it's called Uninstall :-) (Use Win98Lite IV to do that :-0 Phoebus
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED] uk>, Norman Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Sorry Tony, but I really must object !! > >You said : > >>> Well I just knew that Outback would not handle anything like that, >>> whatever format it is in (8-)# > >I'm afraid that sullying the good name of the Australian Countryside is not >acceptable - especially whan using it as a derogatory term in relation to a >microsoft product (in as much as Microsoft have ever produced a product of >their own). > >:o) Umm ... cute :-) In vain defence of 'Lookout' :-( ... it probably has an option to change its behaviour. Anyone know ? -- Malcolm Cadman
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Sorry Tony, but I really must object !! You said : >> Well I just knew that Outback would not handle anything like that, >> whatever format it is in (8-)# I'm afraid that sullying the good name of the Australian Countryside is not acceptable - especially whan using it as a derogatory term in relation to a microsoft product (in as much as Microsoft have ever produced a product of their own). :o) Cheers, Norman. PS. On a serious note, re parcelfarce, have you seen the ads on the telly for the Royal Mail express delivery thingy where for £3.25 they come and pick up your parcel and guarantee next day delivery ? I presume that there are a number of catches of course - being the cynic that I am, but you never know .. PPS. Does Prince Charles count as a Royal Male ? - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 at 20:16:12, Jeremy Taffel wrote: (ref: <003d01c263fe$d93d2020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >lookout express mangled all the attempts at this URL > >The original was split over 3 lines, with the URL only recognised to the >first line break. The latest continues the URL over the first line break, >but not the second. damn damn damn Looks like the mailers of this world are totally incompatible with each other. Turnpike seems to be the only one that works with all 'standard' layouts. For QL emailshots it looks like I will have to include: and the raw non-formatted one that works for Phoebus. What a mess the internet is in. > >Easily remedied though, click on reply, then edit out the line breaks. It is >then recognised properly. Well I just knew that Outback would not handle anything like that, whatever format it is in (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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lookout express mangled all the attempts at this URL The original was split over 3 lines, with the URL only recognised to the first line break. The latest continues the URL over the first line break, but not the second. Easily remedied though, click on reply, then edit out the line breaks. It is then recognised properly. Jeremy - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce At 03:24 ðì 24/9/2002, Tony wrote: > >(Does _this_ URL come through OK, Phoebus? >I have used a new feature of Turnpike to sent sections 'unformatted' >It removed all the
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 at 08:31:09, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >At 03:24 ðì 24/9/2002, Tony wrote: >> >>(Does _this_ URL come through OK, Phoebus? >>I have used a new feature of Turnpike to sent sections 'unformatted' >>It removed all the >Perfect :-) but as far as I am concerned since you were originally >right Tony, you may continue send your URLs anyway you please :- (8-)# No - I will send this way and please everyone. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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At 03:24 ðì 24/9/2002, Tony wrote: > >(Does _this_ URL come through OK, Phoebus? >I have used a new feature of Turnpike to sent sections 'unformatted' >It removed all the
Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 at 22:55:40, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. > >I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, >and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. I see that std UK parcels are no longer handled by Parcelforce, but is now a standard 'Royal Mail' service - as far as their web site is concerned anyway. http://www.consignia-online.com/portal/default/all/home?paf_dm=full&paf_gear_id=12&paf_gear_state=con_content&xmlPath=/docContent/xml/01__Ma il/045__Standard_parcels/02__Prices.xml (Does _this_ URL come through OK, Phoebus? I have used a new feature of Turnpike to sent sections 'unformatted' It removed all the .demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 at 02:50:26, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: <005701c2636c$c170d410$0100a8c0@macnamarobpzwb>) >FSauctions link page to parcel deliveries by all the major >players is > >http://www.deliverynetworks.co.uk/fsauctions/ > >next day is £8.99 + VAT, but I have used cheaper, QXL I think. but Parcelfarce is cheaper. I simply cannot find prices on the Consignia site (that parcelforce.com redirects to) I guess it is because Consignia are Parcelfarce competitors. I have used them since day one for QL repairs and only had one problem. -- Tony Firshman
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- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 at 23:33:05, Bill Waugh wrote: (ref: <000c01c26351$30261c60$23d27ad5@famwaugh>) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:55 PM >Subject: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > > >Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. > >I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, >and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. > >I need to post a repaired QL - but it seems Parcelfarce no longer >recognise standard parcels. > >Quite amazing and hostile - no wonder they are a failing company. > >I hope I am wrong, and that the cheapest rate for a standard parcel of >any weight up to 8kg is not £11.85 for 'Parcelforce 48'. > >If true it will mean a charge of £35 for a QL repair - effectively >killing off the service. > >http://www.consignia-online.com/portal/default/all/home;jsessionid=3QHYJJAD J >WTHOCRAZRLENZQKEDGFOQ2K?paf_gear_id=13&paf_gm=content&paf_dm=full&null& _ >requestid=314629 > >Try this Tony That got totally zapped by line breaks. I had to extract to a text editor and remake it. There are two ways of getting this through You have not been following the thread on ql-chat (8-)# Where exactly on that site did you find standard UK prices? The cheapest I could find there (as I said above) was Parcelfarce48 for £11.85 I reckon something has gone wrong when Consignia site took over parcelforce.com (I have to speel it right there (8-)# ) Tony I tried it direct from Outlook Express, took me right there , clicked on services and got a list that includes postal service's, there is also a post charge calculator, I think what you want is in there, sorry got to go to work now I'll try it in more detail tonight ( shouldn't cost anywhere near £11.85 I,ve posted heavy stuff for less) All the best - Bill
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Hi Tony FSauctions link page to parcel deliveries by all the major players is http://www.deliverynetworks.co.uk/fsauctions/ next day is £8.99 + VAT, but I have used cheaper, QXL I think. Regards Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.macnamaras.com - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [ql-users] Parcelfarce Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. I need to post a repaired QL - but it seems Parcelfarce no longer recognise standard parcels. Quite amazing and hostile - no wonder they are a failing company. I hope I am wrong, and that the cheapest rate for a standard parcel of any weight up to 8kg is not £11.85 for 'Parcelforce 48'. If true it will mean a charge of £35 for a QL repair - effectively killing off the service. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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Tony Some of the Auction sites use an online service, they collect and deliver next day, a lot cheaper than the £11 you quote. I'll look out info and post Regards Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.macnamaras.com - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Parcelfarce On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 at 23:33:05, Bill Waugh wrote: (ref: <000c01c26351$30261c60$23d27ad5@famwaugh>) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:55 PM >Subject: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > > >Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. > >I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, >and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. > >I need to post a repaired QL - but it seems Parcelfarce no longer >recognise standard parcels. > >Quite amazing and hostile - no wonder they are a failing company. > >I hope I am wrong, and that the cheapest rate for a standard parcel of >any weight up to 8kg is not £11.85 for 'Parcelforce 48'. > >If true it will mean a charge of £35 for a QL repair - effectively >killing off the service. > >http://www.consignia-online.com/portal/default/all/home;jsession id=3QHYJJADJ >WTHOCRAZRLENZQKEDGFOQ2K?paf_gear_id=13&paf_gm=content&paf_dm =full&null&_ >requestid=314629 > >Try this Tony That got totally zapped by line breaks. I had to extract to a text editor and remake it. There are two ways of getting this through You have not been following the thread on ql-chat (8-)# Where exactly on that site did you find standard UK prices? The cheapest I could find there (as I said above) was Parcelfarce48 for £11.85 I reckon something has gone wrong when Consignia site took over parcelforce.com (I have to speel it right there (8-)# ) -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 at 23:33:05, Bill Waugh wrote: (ref: <000c01c26351$30261c60$23d27ad5@famwaugh>) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:55 PM >Subject: [ql-users] Parcelfarce > > > >Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. > >I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, >and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. > >I need to post a repaired QL - but it seems Parcelfarce no longer >recognise standard parcels. > >Quite amazing and hostile - no wonder they are a failing company. > >I hope I am wrong, and that the cheapest rate for a standard parcel of >any weight up to 8kg is not £11.85 for 'Parcelforce 48'. > >If true it will mean a charge of £35 for a QL repair - effectively >killing off the service. > >http://www.consignia-online.com/portal/default/all/home;jsessionid=3QHYJJADJ >WTHOCRAZRLENZQKEDGFOQ2K?paf_gear_id=13&paf_gm=content&paf_dm=full&null&_ >requestid=314629 > >Try this Tony That got totally zapped by line breaks. I had to extract to a text editor and remake it. There are two ways of getting this through You have not been following the thread on ql-chat (8-)# Where exactly on that site did you find standard UK prices? The cheapest I could find there (as I said above) was Parcelfarce48 for £11.85 I reckon something has gone wrong when Consignia site took over parcelforce.com (I have to speel it right there (8-)# ) -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [ql-users] Parcelfarce Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. I need to post a repaired QL - but it seems Parcelfarce no longer recognise standard parcels. Quite amazing and hostile - no wonder they are a failing company. I hope I am wrong, and that the cheapest rate for a standard parcel of any weight up to 8kg is not £11.85 for 'Parcelforce 48'. If true it will mean a charge of £35 for a QL repair - effectively killing off the service. http://www.consignia-online.com/portal/default/all/home;jsessionid=3QHYJJADJ WTHOCRAZRLENZQKEDGFOQ2K?paf_gear_id=13&paf_gm=content&paf_dm=full&null&_ requestid=314629 Try this Tony All the best - Bill
[ql-users] Parcelfarce
Anyone got a URL for UK standard parcel prices. I see they have disappeared from the 'Guide to services' I got recently, and I threw away my old list. I cannot find any info on their web site. I need to post a repaired QL - but it seems Parcelfarce no longer recognise standard parcels. Quite amazing and hostile - no wonder they are a failing company. I hope I am wrong, and that the cheapest rate for a standard parcel of any weight up to 8kg is not £11.85 for 'Parcelforce 48'. If true it will mean a charge of £35 for a QL repair - effectively killing off the service. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
