RE: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
Ian, as far as I know the only way you can obtain a qubide partition is formatting the hd as soon as the qdos classic start. Next boot you will not have any more error during the qubide module startup. This kind of operation will destroy any partition already present on the disk (smsqe or Linux). This is why I use as primary HD a compact flash card. Back to the Qx0, after some work with the SMSQE sources, just to familiarise with them and (thanks Marcel) to recover some lost libraries (win1_uti_lib and win1_util_menus_lib), I have recompiled all the smsqe for the q60 succesfully. Not only, again thanks to Marcel , I have also included some of smsqe 2e99 changes regarding fast memory. The speed increase is obviously remarkable, as an example now the operation to boot linux (1.8 MB-2.4.18 kernel )with lxx took less than ONE second instead of 10/20 second). I am quite near also to finish the italian traslation of the messages and keyboard. Ciao --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello Derek, > > This is what I tried last night: > Bearing in mind what you said about needing an > already existing partition one, the disk I tried > this time is an IBM 6Gb. The first partition is QWA > approx. 256Mb, the second is Linux SWP approx. 128Mb > and the remainder of space is one or two LNX > partitions. This setup is working with SMSQ/E 2.97 > from which the working Linux installation can be > started. > I tried converting the first partition to Qubide > using the following procedure: > > LRESPR win1_SOFTROM_rext > SOFTROM win1_CLASSIC3r25_rom > > This starts QDOS Classic which initializes the > Qubide 1.56 which fails to find any Qubide > partitions (not unexpectedly at this point). > > EXEC flp1_partition_exe > launches > > Partition v1.53 > (c) PA Borman 1996 > > Drives currently attached: > > Drive TracksHeads Secs Drive Name > 1 8192 208 0 > K###K###K###K###K###K###K### > > > Edit which drive (ESC to quit): > > [The geometry reported is clearly incorrect, and on > screen the #s in the reported drive name are > actually shaded 'block-cursor' shapes. Geometry and > drive name are garbage. I selected drive 1 which > produced the following message: ] > > The activity light for the selected drive should be > on. > Is this the right drive? > > [The activity light is not on; it works when > accessing the drive in SMSQ/E and Linux. > There is only one drive attached so I persevered > and entered 'y', which produced the next response: ] > > This is not a Qubide drive. > Create a Qubide partition? > > [it's already obvious it isn't going to work, but > nothing to lose, so enter 'y':] > > This is not a Qubide drive. > Press a key > > [After this nothing has been done to the disk > contents which still works with SMSQ/E and Linux.] > > I'm going to make an effort to get to the workshop > on Sunday 22nd and I'm tempted to bring the Q40 with > me. > > cheers, > Ian. > > -Original Message- > From: Derek Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 08 September 2002 20:22 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide > > > > On Friday 06 September 2002 11:33 am, you wrote: > > Quiet in here innit? Did everyone OD on Guinness > at/after the QL show and > > still suffering the mothers of all hangovers?? > ;O) > > > > Can somebody enlighten me as to what a Qubide hard > disk is? Is it a > > special hardware unlike a normal IDE disk and only > available from one > > supplier? Is it a normal disk but supplied with > some unique low level > > format? > > > > I tried to partition a harddisk using the > partition_exe program from the > > qub156.zip. The disk had been partitioned > previously but they had all been > > deleted using a Linux fdisk. > > > > The partition_exe program detected the disk device > but complained when > > trying to create a partition that it was not a > Qubide disk. Is some other > > preparation procedure needed to turn a normal IDE > disk into a Qubide one? > > > > Ian. > > > Hi Ian, > > I read this message in the QL-USERS mailing list, if > you are using a Q40 with > QDOS Classic, then the code in QDOS Classic is a > Qubide v1.56 module, which > acts in the same way as a Qubide on a QL. > > I think that partition 1 has always to exist before > you can use the partition > program. But maybe wrong here Try format Win1_ > to a small figure, then > execute the partition_exe program and alter the > par
RE: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
> You need to reformat the start of the drive from QDOS Classic, with the FORMAT WIN1_ > command - not too sure how you ensure that this does not overwrite the Linux > partitions and I don't have a Q40 to try it out... > > Rich Mellor > RWAP Software I'll give that a try. I'll use the spare disk and mkpart_exe to create a single SMSQ partition on it first. I assumed FORMAT would not work without a recognized Qubide partition - that's why I didn't try it before. Ian. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 September 2002 13:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide In a message dated 10/09/02 11:53:17 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried converting the first partition to Qubide using the following procedure: LRESPR win1_SOFTROM_rext SOFTROM win1_CLASSIC3r25_rom This starts QDOS Classic which initializes the Qubide 1.56 which fails to find any Qubide partitions (not unexpectedly at this point). EXEC flp1_partition_exe launches Partition v1.53(c) PA Borman 1996 Drives currently attached: Drive TracksHeads Secs Drive Name 1 8192 208 0 K###K###K###K###K###K###K### Edit which drive (ESC to quit): [The geometry reported is clearly incorrect, and on screen the #s in the reported drive name are actually shaded 'block-cursor' shapes. Geometry and drive name are garbage. I selected drive 1 which produced the following message: ] The activity light for the selected drive should be on. Is this the right drive? [The activity light is not on; it works when accessing the drive in SMSQ/E and Linux. There is only one drive attached so I persevered and entered 'y', which produced the next response: ] This is not a Qubide drive. Create a Qubide partition? [it's already obvious it isn't going to work, but nothing to lose, so enter 'y':] This is not a Qubide drive. Press a key [After this nothing has been done to the disk contents which still works with SMSQ/E and Linux.] I'm going to make an effort to get to the workshop on Sunday 22nd and I'm tempted to bring the Q40 with me. I think the problem is that SMSQ/E on the Q40/Q60 will have formatted the first partition of the hard disk as an Atari format hard drive. You need to reformat the start of the drive from QDOS Classic, with the FORMAT WIN1_ command - not too sure how you ensure that this does not overwrite the Linux partitions and I don't have a Q40 to try it out... Rich Mellor RWAP Software 7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JR TEL: 01977 614299 http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
In a message dated 10/09/02 11:53:17 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried converting the first partition to Qubide using the following procedure: LRESPR win1_SOFTROM_rext SOFTROM win1_CLASSIC3r25_rom This starts QDOS Classic which initializes the Qubide 1.56 which fails to find any Qubide partitions (not unexpectedly at this point). EXEC flp1_partition_exe launches Partition v1.53 (c) PA Borman 1996 Drives currently attached: Drive Tracks Heads Secs Drive Name 1 8192 208 0 K###K###K###K###K###K###K### Edit which drive (ESC to quit): [The geometry reported is clearly incorrect, and on screen the #s in the reported drive name are actually shaded 'block-cursor' shapes. Geometry and drive name are garbage. I selected drive 1 which produced the following message: ] The activity light for the selected drive should be on. Is this the right drive? [The activity light is not on; it works when accessing the drive in SMSQ/E and Linux. There is only one drive attached so I persevered and entered 'y', which produced the next response: ] This is not a Qubide drive. Create a Qubide partition? [it's already obvious it isn't going to work, but nothing to lose, so enter 'y':] This is not a Qubide drive. Press a key [After this nothing has been done to the disk contents which still works with SMSQ/E and Linux.] I'm going to make an effort to get to the workshop on Sunday 22nd and I'm tempted to bring the Q40 with me. I think the problem is that SMSQ/E on the Q40/Q60 will have formatted the first partition of the hard disk as an Atari format hard drive. You need to reformat the start of the drive from QDOS Classic, with the FORMAT WIN1_ command - not too sure how you ensure that this does not overwrite the Linux partitions and I don't have a Q40 to try it out... Rich Mellor RWAP Software 7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JR TEL: 01977 614299 http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware
RE: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
Hello Derek, This is what I tried last night: Bearing in mind what you said about needing an already existing partition one, the disk I tried this time is an IBM 6Gb. The first partition is QWA approx. 256Mb, the second is Linux SWP approx. 128Mb and the remainder of space is one or two LNX partitions. This setup is working with SMSQ/E 2.97 from which the working Linux installation can be started. I tried converting the first partition to Qubide using the following procedure: LRESPR win1_SOFTROM_rext SOFTROM win1_CLASSIC3r25_rom This starts QDOS Classic which initializes the Qubide 1.56 which fails to find any Qubide partitions (not unexpectedly at this point). EXEC flp1_partition_exe launches Partition v1.53(c) PA Borman 1996 Drives currently attached: Drive TracksHeads Secs Drive Name 1 8192 208 0 K###K###K###K###K###K###K### Edit which drive (ESC to quit): [The geometry reported is clearly incorrect, and on screen the #s in the reported drive name are actually shaded 'block-cursor' shapes. Geometry and drive name are garbage. I selected drive 1 which produced the following message: ] The activity light for the selected drive should be on. Is this the right drive? [The activity light is not on; it works when accessing the drive in SMSQ/E and Linux. There is only one drive attached so I persevered and entered 'y', which produced the next response: ] This is not a Qubide drive. Create a Qubide partition? [it's already obvious it isn't going to work, but nothing to lose, so enter 'y':] This is not a Qubide drive. Press a key [After this nothing has been done to the disk contents which still works with SMSQ/E and Linux.] I'm going to make an effort to get to the workshop on Sunday 22nd and I'm tempted to bring the Q40 with me. cheers, Ian. -Original Message- From: Derek Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 September 2002 20:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide On Friday 06 September 2002 11:33 am, you wrote: > Quiet in here innit? Did everyone OD on Guinness at/after the QL show and > still suffering the mothers of all hangovers?? ;O) > > Can somebody enlighten me as to what a Qubide hard disk is? Is it a > special hardware unlike a normal IDE disk and only available from one > supplier? Is it a normal disk but supplied with some unique low level > format? > > I tried to partition a harddisk using the partition_exe program from the > qub156.zip. The disk had been partitioned previously but they had all been > deleted using a Linux fdisk. > > The partition_exe program detected the disk device but complained when > trying to create a partition that it was not a Qubide disk. Is some other > preparation procedure needed to turn a normal IDE disk into a Qubide one? > > Ian. Hi Ian, I read this message in the QL-USERS mailing list, if you are using a Q40 with QDOS Classic, then the code in QDOS Classic is a Qubide v1.56 module, which acts in the same way as a Qubide on a QL. I think that partition 1 has always to exist before you can use the partition program. But maybe wrong here Try format Win1_ to a small figure, then execute the partition_exe program and alter the partition definitions. I have had a Q60 & Qdos Classic on rom using the partition program OK. Try seeing which version of Partition program you are using, as there were bugs in earlier versions. Derek Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
On Friday 06 September 2002 11:33 am, you wrote: > Quiet in here innit? Did everyone OD on Guinness at/after the QL show and > still suffering the mothers of all hangovers?? ;O) > > Can somebody enlighten me as to what a Qubide hard disk is? Is it a > special hardware unlike a normal IDE disk and only available from one > supplier? Is it a normal disk but supplied with some unique low level > format? > > I tried to partition a harddisk using the partition_exe program from the > qub156.zip. The disk had been partitioned previously but they had all been > deleted using a Linux fdisk. > > The partition_exe program detected the disk device but complained when > trying to create a partition that it was not a Qubide disk. Is some other > preparation procedure needed to turn a normal IDE disk into a Qubide one? > > Ian. Hi Ian, I read this message in the QL-USERS mailing list, if you are using a Q40 with QDOS Classic, then the code in QDOS Classic is a Qubide v1.56 module, which acts in the same way as a Qubide on a QL. I think that partition 1 has always to exist before you can use the partition program. But maybe wrong here Try format Win1_ to a small figure, then execute the partition_exe program and alter the partition definitions. I have had a Q60 & Qdos Classic on rom using the partition program OK. Try seeing which version of Partition program you are using, as there were bugs in earlier versions. Derek
Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 at 23:01:11, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 at 11:33:55, wrote: >(ref: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >> >>Quiet in here innit? Did everyone OD on Guinness at/after the QL show >>and still suffering the mothers of all hangovers?? ;O) >What - all seven of us (8-)# >> >>Can somebody enlighten me as to what a Qubide hard disk is? Is it a >>special hardware unlike a normal IDE disk and only available from one >>supplier? Is it a normal disk but supplied with some unique low level >>format? >Neither - just a std IDE with absolutely any data on it. >I have even used qubide to zap a disk that had a corrupted sector zero, >and crashed the PC on power up! Sorry I misread. Of course it is the latter - ie normal IDE disk with a special qubide format. >> >>I tried to partition a harddisk using the partition_exe program from >>the qub156.zip. The disk had been partitioned previously but they had >>all been deleted using a Linux fdisk. >> >>The partition_exe program detected the disk device but complained when >>trying to create a partition that it was not a Qubide disk. Is some >>other preparation procedure needed to turn a normal IDE disk into a >>Qubide one? What motherboard are you using and what expansion? If std QL and GC/SGC then take out the processor. Also there is a lot of noise with std motherboard, so try different configurations. That can cause the problem you are getting. With std motherboard, I found the best with mine was SGC on the qubide through connector and using the first slot (if Qplane). Backplane is critical too. The only two that are satisfactory I find are Qplane and Mplane. It needs a good ground plane, pullups on critical lines and extra decoupling caps etc. Some had none of these! With Mplane I find that absolutely any configuration works OK with Aurora. Since using that combination I have had no main HD problems at all - so much so that it once took me months to realise the backup HD wasn't working, and that was a failed HD. I have had 24 hour per day experience on my BBS with Qubide since it first came out. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 at 11:33:55, wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >Quiet in here innit? Did everyone OD on Guinness at/after the QL show >and still suffering the mothers of all hangovers?? ;O) What - all seven of us (8-)# > >Can somebody enlighten me as to what a Qubide hard disk is? Is it a >special hardware unlike a normal IDE disk and only available from one >supplier? Is it a normal disk but supplied with some unique low level >format? Neither - just a std IDE with absolutely any data on it. I have even used qubide to zap a disk that had a corrupted sector zero, and crashed the PC on power up! > >I tried to partition a harddisk using the partition_exe program from >the qub156.zip. The disk had been partitioned previously but they had >all been deleted using a Linux fdisk. > >The partition_exe program detected the disk device but complained when >trying to create a partition that it was not a Qubide disk. Is some >other preparation procedure needed to turn a normal IDE disk into a >Qubide one? Have you LRESPRed the _rext file? Does the harddisk get recognised after this? That should be all that is needed, I think, for partition_exe to work. Formatting is done under partition_exe (after the partitioning of course). -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
[ql-users] Q40 + QDOS Classic + Qubide
Quiet in here innit? Did everyone OD on Guinness at/after the QL show and still suffering the mothers of all hangovers?? ;O) Can somebody enlighten me as to what a Qubide hard disk is? Is it a special hardware unlike a normal IDE disk and only available from one supplier? Is it a normal disk but supplied with some unique low level format? I tried to partition a harddisk using the partition_exe program from the qub156.zip. The disk had been partitioned previously but they had all been deleted using a Linux fdisk. The partition_exe program detected the disk device but complained when trying to create a partition that it was not a Qubide disk. Is some other preparation procedure needed to turn a normal IDE disk into a Qubide one? Ian. Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
