Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk There's not much difference in bandwidth, between combined, compressed twin ISDN channels and bog standard ADSL upstream bandwidth. In fact neither are up to providing multiple access to multimedia data streams. Cheers Colin
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. BOI Group Data Classification - Tony Firshman wrote:- What does everyone think of this?? I will definitely be looking into this for the Irish Show next year. Sounds a great idea. Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. Well, thats the plan - the powers that be tell us full fast broadband will be in Roundwood by end of 2003, possibly early 2004. Fingers crossed. Eircom are amazingly slow at rolling out broadband here - not even all of the Dublin area can get it yet. Cheers, Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 at 10:31:43, Colin Parsons wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk There's not much difference in bandwidth, between combined, compressed twin ISDN channels and bog standard ADSL upstream bandwidth. In fact neither are up to providing multiple access to multimedia data streams. Darren's ISDN was pretty slow - 5-6k usually. I only say 8k briefly. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 at 11:35:30, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 at 10:31:43, Colin Parsons wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk There's not much difference in bandwidth, between combined, compressed twin ISDN channels and bog standard ADSL upstream bandwidth. In fact neither are up to providing multiple access to multimedia data streams. Darren's ISDN was pretty slow - 5-6k usually. I only say 8k briefly. I only saw 8k briefly -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
Tony firshman wrote:- Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk There's not much difference in bandwidth, between combined, compressed twin ISDN channels and bog standard ADSL upstream bandwidth. In fact neither are up to providing multiple access to multimedia data streams. Darren's ISDN was pretty slow - 5-6k usually. I only say 8k briefly. I can say 8k briefly too ;-)) Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show?? On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 at 10:31:43, Colin Parsons wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk There's not much difference in bandwidth, between combined, compressed twin ISDN channels and bog standard ADSL upstream bandwidth. In fact neither are up to providing multiple access to multimedia data streams. Darren's ISDN was pretty slow - 5-6k usually. I only say 8k briefly. Just my point, no domestic connection is up to streaming multimedia to multiple destinations. You would need at least 1mb SYMETRIC ADSL, still anything but cheap. All 1Mb , cheap connections, currently have much lower upload speeds, as well as quite high contention ratios 7. You need zero contention for streaming multimedia, i.e. a dedicated leased line. Cheers Colin
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Colin Parsons wrote: - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show?? On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 at 10:31:43, Colin Parsons wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 There's not much difference in bandwidth, between combined, compressed twin ISDN channels and bog standard ADSL upstream bandwidth. In fact neither are up to providing multiple access to multimedia data streams. Darren's ISDN was pretty slow - 5-6k usually. I only say 8k briefly. Just my point, no domestic connection is up to streaming multimedia to multiple destinations. You would need at least 1mb SYMETRIC ADSL, still anything but cheap. All 1Mb , cheap connections, currently have much lower upload speeds, as well as quite high contention ratios 7. You need zero contention for streaming multimedia, i.e. a dedicated leased line. Cheers Colin MOST consumer internet access is engineered to deliver content Downstream (towards) the subscriber MUCH faster then it allows the subscriber to send it upstream (towards the internet). This generally includes all faster internet connections that is sold to the average consumer. You would need to triple check with any ISP about Upstream speeds with any connection before you pursued originating streaming multimedia from a subscriber access point. A lot of these constraints are controlled at the ISP or before it is delivered over the final link to the user. You CAN arrange to deliver your multimedia presentation hookup to a server which then would handle the multiple connections. IT will Need a FAST link Possibly equivalent to T3 access of better to handle the distribution of the packets. This way the originating point would only need a single FAST upstream connection. This would of course include a fast downstream speed. Possably only up to the equivalent speed of a T1 line. -- Paul Holmgren Hoosier Corps #33, L-6 2 57 300-C's in Indy
[ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
Dilwyn Jones struck on a good idea in an email he sent me - a virtual QL show. I was telling him about Phoebus being at the Irish Show via MSN Messenger, and he had the idea of having a virtual QL show - might be a worthwhile idea, with falling atendance at QL shows as is. We'd need Fast internet access at the venue, and webcams etc, which rules out most of the current venues - but perfect for future Irish Shows. Could use paltalk or something similar for the subscribers, and all anyone would have to do would be to login when the show is on. Tony could do a QL repair on webcam, and those not attending in the flesh could tune in via the net. Would be even better for talks and demos (if there were any...) :-))) What does everyone think of this?? I will definitely be looking into this for the Irish Show next year. cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. BOI Group Data Classification - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
RE: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
with virtual beer ? -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : mercredi 3 septembre 2003 17:27 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [ql-users] Virtual QL Show?? Dilwyn Jones struck on a good idea in an email he sent me - a virtual QL show. I was telling him about Phoebus being at the Irish Show via MSN Messenger, and he had the idea of having a virtual QL show - might be a worthwhile idea, with falling atendance at QL shows as is. We'd need Fast internet access at the venue, and webcams etc, which rules out most of the current venues - but perfect for future Irish Shows. Could use paltalk or something similar for the subscribers, and all anyone would have to do would be to login when the show is on. etc...
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:27:20 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn Jones struck on a good idea in an email he sent me - a virtual QL show. I was telling him about Phoebus being at the Irish Show via MSN Messenger, and he had the idea of having a virtual QL show - might be a worthwhile idea, with falling atendance at QL shows as is. We'd need Fast internet access at the venue, and webcams etc, which rules out most of the current venues - but perfect for future Irish Shows. Could use paltalk or something similar for the subscribers, and all anyone would have to do would be to login when the show is on. Tony could do a QL repair on webcam, and those not attending in the flesh could tune in via the net. Would be even better for talks and demos (if there were any...) :-))) What does everyone think of this?? I will definitely be looking into this for the Irish Show next year. snip If planned properly I believe that it can be extremely successful. Speccy owners have been doing these for years. (Not to mention that it really carries no cost) An online chat / lecture / presentation / talk type of thing could be very helpful too. I have found that people that in general don't ask question in person will definitely ask to-the-point questions on a chat. Demos can be also really helpful. I can stream the output from the Aurora or Q40 using a vga-to-video converter and in my video-in... or we could use QPC... or VNC or something at least. Streaming technologies are great in presentations (they are the NEXT-BIG-THING in Marketing nowadays... or so they tell me at the uni ;-) We could even tap into c.s.s audience... the average c.s.s reader is a sucker for these kinds of things usually :-) (A Spectrum-to-QL tutorial for example can be enough to tempt some of them) Although a virtual show cannot really substitute a real person-to-person interaction, it could also run for days without any real cost!... Maybe a 4 weekend option? And if a real show is in progress, tap into that as well? I think it's an excellent idea overall Phoebus -- Visit the QL-FAQ at: http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/faq/ (Still uploading stuff!) Visit the uQLX-win32 homepage at: http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/uqlx.html Visit the uQLX-mac home page at:http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/uqlxmac.html
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with virtual beer ? Illegal not to have any at an Irish show, I think, Claude ;-) I didn't go to this last Irish show, but every time I go to Ireland I end up drinking more than I had intended to! I was telling him about Phoebus being at the Irish Show via MSN Messenger, and he had the idea of having a virtual QL show - might be a worthwhile idea, with falling atendance at QL shows as is. We'd need Fast internet access at the venue, and webcams etc, which rules out most of the current venues - but perfect for future Irish Shows. Could use paltalk or something similar for the subscribers, and all anyone would have to do would be to login when the show is on. etc... Obviously, would need good publicity beforehand. I for one do not have webcam or conferencing or anything like that, and have never used 'chatrooms' or anything like that, so like many QLers I would need to learn to use the systems first to take part! -- Dilwyn Jones
Re: [ql-users] Virtual QL Show??
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 at 16:27:20, wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Dilwyn Jones struck on a good idea in an email he sent me - a virtual QL show. I was telling him about Phoebus being at the Irish Show via MSN Messenger, and he had the idea of having a virtual QL show - might be a worthwhile idea, with falling atendance at QL shows as is. We'd need Fast internet access at the venue, and webcams etc, which rules out most of the current venues - but perfect for future Irish Shows. Could use paltalk or something similar for the subscribers, and all anyone would have to do would be to login when the show is on. Tony could do a QL repair on webcam, and those not attending in the flesh could tune in via the net. Would be even better for talks and demos (if there were any...) :-))) What does everyone think of this?? I will definitely be looking into this for the Irish Show next year. Sounds a great idea. Your ISDN though would struggle with sound/video. Hopefully ADSL will reach Roundwood. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
